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(The Nation)   A while back we sent California thousands of Okies. Now they seem to be returning the favor with thousands of earthquakes. Thanks for that   (thenation.com) divider line 73
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2014-03-27 01:55:47 PM  
Oklahoma has wee little earthquakes that you can't feel unless you are right up close. I'm more concerned with all the Californian moving back.
 
2014-03-27 02:14:23 PM  
They brought their guldang tornadeys with em too.

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2014-03-27 02:45:59 PM  

twistedmetal: Oklahoma has wee little earthquakes that you can't feel unless you are right up close. I'm more concerned with all the Californian moving back.


Well at least those until those smaller ones put enough pressure on a fault line to cause a big one.
 
2014-03-27 02:48:00 PM  
From the Oklahoma Geological Survey, here's an interesting chart I made:

Year    Number of quakes
2003    48
2004    66
2005    22
2006    22
2007    30
2008    25
2009    51
2010    1062
2011    1471
2012    981
2013    2848
2014    1133 as of March 27

Gee, I wonder if it correlates with the number of drilling permits issued... I haven't yet found a database with an annual breakdown of permits over the years, though.
 
2014-03-27 02:48:14 PM  
They brought tornadoes with them.wtf.
 
2014-03-27 02:49:24 PM  
Earthquakes aren't new to Oklahoma. There's a fault in Meers, OK, which has resonated when faults a long distance away have ruptured. The state has a geological observatory in a restaurant there.
 
2014-03-27 02:50:24 PM  

SansNeural: From the Oklahoma Geological Survey, here's an interesting chart I made:

Year    Number of quakes
2003    48
2004    66
2005    22
2006    22
2007    30
2008    25
2009    51
2010    1062
2011    1471
2012    981
2013    2848
2014    1133 as of March 27

Gee, I wonder if it correlates with the number of drilling permits issued... I haven't yet found a database with an annual breakdown of permits over the years, though.


Waste injection wells.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/tag/earthquakes/
 
2014-03-27 02:50:25 PM  
The earthquakes are because Jesus is mad at them for opposing gay marriage.
 
2014-03-27 02:51:32 PM  
Corvus:Well at least those until those smaller ones put enough pressure on a fault line to cause a big one.
Earthquakes generally do the opposite - they're how fault lines relieve stress.

In this case the fault lines are very small; they're fractures used in hydraulic fracturing.  Injecting high pressure liquids into fractures makes them more likely to break, i.e. slide past each other, which is how faults create earthquakes.  But it's very unlikely that you'll get big ones out of it.
 
2014-03-27 02:52:27 PM  
It couldn't be realted to fracking........   naaa      'course not!
 
2014-03-27 02:52:31 PM  
As a geologist what I find fascinating is that it's limited to a small area in Oklahoma.  Other jurisdictions where wastewater wells and fracking occur don't have a commensurate increase in quakes like Oklahoma.  I'd be interested to find out if Oklahoma allows more aggressive injection or fracking or if there's an underlying geological explanation.
 
2014-03-27 02:53:06 PM  
So nobody thinks the fracking boom is a factor?
 
2014-03-27 02:54:21 PM  
Well, here's the silver lining. If there's an earthquake, relief organizations will ship in bottled water, which residents will need because fracking farked up their drinking water supply.

/pollyanna
 
2014-03-27 02:55:01 PM  
Fracking
 
2014-03-27 02:55:29 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Well, here's the silver lining. If there's an earthquake, relief organizations will ship in bottled water, which residents will need because fracking farked up their drinking water supply.

/pollyanna


you think Gasland is scientifically accurate don't you?

/that's precious.
 
2014-03-27 02:56:28 PM  
Awesome journalism... Make an accusation and announce it is up to the accused to prove a negative. Napoleon approves.
 
2014-03-27 02:56:51 PM  
3.0 earthquakes? Won't someone think of the Hummels?
 
2014-03-27 02:56:54 PM  
To all of you blaming fracking, I believe the fracking companies have said that they aren't responsible for earthquakes, so that should be the end of that nonsense talk.
 
2014-03-27 02:57:31 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: As a geologist what I find fascinating is that it's limited to a small area in Oklahoma.  Other jurisdictions where wastewater wells and fracking occur don't have a commensurate increase in quakes like Oklahoma.  I'd be interested to find out if Oklahoma allows more aggressive injection or fracking or if there's an underlying geological explanation.


I would check the fracking materials used. If I know my Okies, they're probably using lots of Okie gravy.

/a biscuit, some chipped beef and Okie gravy
/my old neighbor used to make the farking best...
 
2014-03-27 02:58:07 PM  

SansNeural: From the Oklahoma Geological Survey, here's an interesting chart I made:

Year    Number of quakes
2003    48
2004    66
2005    22
2006    22
2007    30
2008    25
2009    51
2010    1062
2011    1471
2012    981
2013    2848
2014    1133 as of March 27

Gee, I wonder if it correlates with the number of drilling permits issued... I haven't yet found a database with an annual breakdown of permits over the years, though.


that or the increase of obese people in the state
 
2014-03-27 02:59:49 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: you think Gasland is scientifically accurate don't you?

/that's precious.


Not sure where you got that idea. I've never seen Gasland, and I have no opinion on its accuracy or lack thereof.
 
2014-03-27 03:00:43 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: As a geologist what I find fascinating is that it's limited to a small area in Oklahoma.  Other jurisdictions where wastewater wells and fracking occur don't have a commensurate increase in quakes like Oklahoma.  I'd be interested to find out if Oklahoma allows more aggressive injection or fracking or if there's an underlying geological explanation.


The Central Oklahoma Aquifer lies under a good part of that concentration.

water.usgs.gov

Depth to water runs from about 100 to 350 feet and goes down as far as 650 feet.  I have no idea if there's a relationship as the injection wells are sure to be much deeper and the quakes themselves are 3 or more km deep.
 
2014-03-27 03:00:53 PM  
Man if only Lex Luthor knew about fracking. He would not have needed to steal a nuke all he would have had to do is create a big old fracking drill site to cause a massive 15.8 earth quake and drop California off into the sea.
 
2014-03-27 03:01:59 PM  

Paris1127: Earthquakes aren't new to Oklahoma. There's a fault in Meers, OK, which has resonated when faults a long distance away have ruptured. The state has a geological observatory in a restaurant there.


True, but having lived for all 35 years of my life in Oklahoma, I'd never felt one until 2010.
 
2014-03-27 03:02:28 PM  

Paris1127: Earthquakes aren't new to Oklahoma. There's a fault in Meers, OK, which has resonated when faults a long distance away have ruptured. The state has a geological observatory in a restaurant there.


You're right. And we're all well aware of the fault line in Meers and the fault the runs right through OKC.

What we're talking about, however, is the very dramatic increase of quakes along those faults.

I moved here 4 years ago. In 2010, you'd experience a quake or two a year in OKC that you could actually feel or hear. Now you hear or feel a quake or two a month, usually up towards Edmond, but we get at least 1 a month or every other month down in the Moore area. That's not counting the 2's and 3's you don't hear or feel--just the high 3's and low 4's (which, coming from the west coast, aren't all that significant to me, but scare the bejesus out of the lifelong Okies and the East Coasters that live here).

Now, some of them have been rollers lately, too, and have caused cracking of the concrete on my patio and actually have cracked the wall near my patio door just before the big tornadoes we had last year.

That shiat is not normal for those faults. Not that 'severity' on that kind of frequency. That is the discussion here, not whether or not there are faults in Oklahoma, which anyone with internet access (and especially anyone who lives here) knows there are. Hell, that shiat isn't normal for Western Washington, which also sits on faults at the base of a damn volcano with another volcano to the east!

No one has their tinfoil hats on here. But anyone with a functional brain cell can put two and two together and tell you that something isn't right and the most obvious candidate is fracking since the dramatic increase in quakes along those faults did not start until fracking started in earnest in this area. And it's not conspiracy theorists drawing that conclusion here, it's scientists in the field of geology.
 
2014-03-27 03:02:35 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: As a geologist what I find fascinating is that it's limited to a small area in Oklahoma.  Other jurisdictions where wastewater wells and fracking occur don't have a commensurate increase in quakes like Oklahoma.  I'd be interested to find out if Oklahoma allows more aggressive injection or fracking or if there's an underlying geological explanation.


^^^^^
This

The geological area in Oklahoma may just be a bad place get these natural resources.  Though this does not exclude other other areas in the US until it turns out similar occurrences are happening.  More study and observation is needed.
 
2014-03-27 03:02:58 PM  

SansNeural: From the Oklahoma Geological Survey, here's an interesting chart I made:

Year    Number of quakes
2003    48
2004    66
2005    22
2006    22
2007    30
2008    25
2009    51
2010    1062
2011    1471
2012    981
2013    2848
2014    1133 as of March 27

Gee, I wonder if it correlates with the number of drilling permits issued... I haven't yet found a database with an annual breakdown of permits over the years, though.


Eh, you were warned and you didn't listen. Greedy little monkeys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQVxMtcXAhA
 
2014-03-27 03:03:38 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Representative of the unwashed masses: you think Gasland is scientifically accurate don't you?

/that's precious.

Not sure where you got that idea. I've never seen Gasland, and I have no opinion on its accuracy or lack thereof.


Fair enough, the big hullabaloo against fracking as far as groundwater is concerned is that fracking fissures up into aquifers people drink out of.  The reality is that any contamination has nothing to do with the fracking process downhole (too much vertical distance) but with how fluids are handled at surface.  Jurisdictions that allow surface pits (even if they are lined) are more prone to chemicals seeping in from surface.  Whereas if actual tanks are used then you don't have those problems.
 
2014-03-27 03:03:47 PM  

Aigoo: Paris1127: Earthquakes aren't new to Oklahoma. There's a fault in Meers, OK, which has resonated when faults a long distance away have ruptured. The state has a geological observatory in a restaurant there.

You're right. And we're all well aware of the fault line in Meers and the fault the runs right through OKC.

What we're talking about, however, is the very dramatic increase of quakes along those faults.

I moved here 4 years ago. In 2010, you'd experience a quake or two a year in OKC that you could actually feel or hear. Now you hear or feel a quake or two a month, usually up towards Edmond, but we get at least 1 a month or every other month down in the Moore area. That's not counting the 2's and 3's you don't hear or feel--just the high 3's and low 4's (which, coming from the west coast, aren't all that significant to me, but scare the bejesus out of the lifelong Okies and the East Coasters that live here).

Now, some of them have been rollers lately, too, and have caused cracking of the concrete on my patio and actually have cracked the wall near my patio door just before the big tornadoes we had last year.

That shiat is not normal for those faults. Not that 'severity' on that kind of frequency. That is the discussion here, not whether or not there are faults in Oklahoma, which anyone with internet access (and especially anyone who lives here) knows there are. Hell, that shiat isn't normal for Western Washington, which also sits on faults at the base of a damn volcano with another volcano to the east!

No one has their tinfoil hats on here. But anyone with a functional brain cell can put two and two together and tell you that something isn't right and the most obvious candidate is fracking since the dramatic increase in quakes along those faults did not start until fracking started in earnest in this area. And it's not conspiracy theorists drawing that conclusion here, it's scientists in the field of geology.


I've seen the people of OKC, see my prior comment
 
2014-03-27 03:04:46 PM  
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2014-03-27 03:04:53 PM  
Nope.  It just means God is angry with all of the gays in Oklahoma.
 
2014-03-27 03:05:49 PM  
So now Oklahoma is going to slide into the ocean?
 
2014-03-27 03:06:36 PM  
But let's keep fracking it's totally safe!
 
2014-03-27 03:07:57 PM  

loonatic112358: Aigoo: Paris1127: Earthquakes aren't new to Oklahoma. There's a fault in Meers, OK, which has resonated when faults a long distance away have ruptured. The state has a geological observatory in a restaurant there.

You're right. And we're all well aware of the fault line in Meers and the fault the runs right through OKC.

What we're talking about, however, is the very dramatic increase of quakes along those faults.

I moved here 4 years ago. In 2010, you'd experience a quake or two a year in OKC that you could actually feel or hear. Now you hear or feel a quake or two a month, usually up towards Edmond, but we get at least 1 a month or every other month down in the Moore area. That's not counting the 2's and 3's you don't hear or feel--just the high 3's and low 4's (which, coming from the west coast, aren't all that significant to me, but scare the bejesus out of the lifelong Okies and the East Coasters that live here).

Now, some of them have been rollers lately, too, and have caused cracking of the concrete on my patio and actually have cracked the wall near my patio door just before the big tornadoes we had last year.

That shiat is not normal for those faults. Not that 'severity' on that kind of frequency. That is the discussion here, not whether or not there are faults in Oklahoma, which anyone with internet access (and especially anyone who lives here) knows there are. Hell, that shiat isn't normal for Western Washington, which also sits on faults at the base of a damn volcano with another volcano to the east!

No one has their tinfoil hats on here. But anyone with a functional brain cell can put two and two together and tell you that something isn't right and the most obvious candidate is fracking since the dramatic increase in quakes along those faults did not start until fracking started in earnest in this area. And it's not conspiracy theorists drawing that conclusion here, it's scientists in the field of geology.

I've seen the people of OKC, see my prior ...


Did you really think your joke was good enough to warrant seconds, Archer?
 
2014-03-27 03:08:04 PM  
Exporting Okies? Everyone knows no good will come of that.
 
2014-03-27 03:08:07 PM  
"Do the 'Okie Shuffle'."

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-27 03:08:49 PM  
I just don't fracking know why these fracking earthquakes have gotten so fracking common.
 
2014-03-27 03:09:39 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: The reality is that any contamination has nothing to do with the fracking process downhole (too much vertical distance) but with how fluids are handled at surface.


The problem from my perspective is that recent history is full of examples of corporations cutting corners or ignoring safety protocols (internal and external), leading to calamity. Mine collapses, BP oil spill, explosion in West, Texas... I'm not willing to assume frackers are going 100% by the book.
 
2014-03-27 03:09:52 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: you think Gasland is scientifically accurate don't you?

/that's precious.


Much more profitable to just inject thousand of gallons of unknown compounds of industrial waste water thousands of feet underground in order to split rock to allow to toxic gas and oil to more easily be extracted to the surface.  Safety?  We don't need no stinking safety we have an army of lawyers and lobbiests to make sure any fines are nothing more then a polluting tax.
 
2014-03-27 03:13:17 PM  

twistedmetal: Oklahoma has wee little earthquakes that you can't feel unless you are right up close. I'm more concerned with all the Californian moving back.


Yup, only wee little ones...

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2011/usb0006klz/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Oklahoma_earthquake
 
2014-03-27 03:18:47 PM  

susansto-helit: Did you really think your joke was good enough to warrant seconds, Archer?


they will always come to the buffet for more
 
2014-03-27 03:20:26 PM  
I'm not saying it's due to fracking....but it's due to fracking.
 
2014-03-27 03:29:55 PM  

SansNeural: From the Oklahoma Geological Survey, here's an interesting chart I made:

Year    Number of quakes
2003    48
2004    66
2005    22
2006    22
2007    30
2008    25
2009    51
2010    1062
2011    1471
2012    981
2013    2848
2014    1133 as of March 27

Gee, I wonder if it correlates with the number of drilling permits issued... I haven't yet found a database with an annual breakdown of permits over the years, though.


Certainly fracking has a role to play in the increase, but how much requires additional data. What you need is the depth of the earthquake? We know other injections of water into the earth has led to earthquakes such as geothermal power plants (although this is a little controversial as those type of locations are usually in seismically active areas to begin with).  Now in the case of fracking and earthquakes, If the quakes are very shallow, then it is easy to see a connection to the waste injection wells increasing pressure or reducing friction on the faults allowing for slipping.  However it is more difficult to explain how a relatively shallow injection of fluid (a mile or two) would be connected to an earthquake several miles down. I am not suggesting that there isn't a relationship, but the mechanics of a shallow injection of water leading to deep earthquakes doesn't immediately come to mind.
 
2014-03-27 03:31:23 PM  

Walker: I'm not saying it's due to fracking....but it's due to fracking.


Shhh, fracking is totally safe!  Just don't drink your tap water or use it for bathing.  Well, just don't use it.
 
2014-03-27 03:34:18 PM  

Daedalus27: SansNeural: From the Oklahoma Geological Survey, here's an interesting chart I made:

Year    Number of quakes
2003    48
2004    66
2005    22
2006    22
2007    30
2008    25
2009    51
2010    1062
2011    1471
2012    981
2013    2848
2014    1133 as of March 27

Gee, I wonder if it correlates with the number of drilling permits issued... I haven't yet found a database with an annual breakdown of permits over the years, though.

Certainly fracking has a role to play in the increase, but how much requires additional data. What you need is the depth of the earthquake? We know other injections of water into the earth has led to earthquakes such as geothermal power plants (although this is a little controversial as those type of locations are usually in seismically active areas to begin with).  Now in the case of fracking and earthquakes, If the quakes are very shallow, then it is easy to see a connection to the waste injection wells increasing pressure or reducing friction on the faults allowing for slipping.  However it is more difficult to explain how a relatively shallow injection of fluid (a mile or two) would be connected to an earthquake several miles down. I am not suggesting that there isn't a relationship, but the mechanics of a shallow injection of water leading to deep earthquakes doesn't immediately come to mind.


If fracking was the sole culprit my town would be constantly shaking. 200km in all directions is saturated with fracking wells right now. I think some geologic features may be unsuitable for fracking since it can cause instability, but most areas fracking is fine.
 
2014-03-27 03:39:04 PM  
Daedalus27:
However it is more difficult to explain how a relatively shallow injection of fluid (a mile or two) would be connected to an earthquake several miles down. I am not suggesting that there isn't a relationship, but the mechanics of a shallow injection of water leading to deep earthquakes doesn't immediately come to mind.

The wells are about 2 km deep.  Most of the quakes are measured at 2-5 km deep, or thereabouts.  Not that extremely different in depth.
 
2014-03-27 03:40:35 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: As a geologist what I find fascinating is that it's limited to a small area in Oklahoma.  Other jurisdictions where wastewater wells and fracking occur don't have a commensurate increase in quakes like Oklahoma.  I'd be interested to find out if Oklahoma allows more aggressive injection or fracking or if there's an underlying geological explanation.


Maybe it is because other areas don't have fault zones. My assumption is you will have quakes if you frack in an area prone to earthquakes ie seismic zones. Why would you have earthquakes in a non-seismic zone?

/not a geologist
//not even on TV
 
2014-03-27 03:45:07 PM  

LarryDan43: I just don't fracking know why these fracking earthquakes have gotten so fracking common.


If you wish, I'll stop what I'm doing and rectify the Horizontal wells (fracked) and other recent vertical wells for the Woodford Shale and overlay the recent quakes so you can see if there's a matchup.

/ I honestly don't know if they will matchup, and there could be other fracking involved.
//Give me about ten minutes.
 
2014-03-27 03:45:40 PM  

saturn badger: Representative of the unwashed masses: As a geologist what I find fascinating is that it's limited to a small area in Oklahoma.  Other jurisdictions where wastewater wells and fracking occur don't have a commensurate increase in quakes like Oklahoma.  I'd be interested to find out if Oklahoma allows more aggressive injection or fracking or if there's an underlying geological explanation.

Maybe it is because other areas don't have fault zones. My assumption is you will have quakes if you frack in an area prone to earthquakes ie seismic zones. Why would you have earthquakes in a non-seismic zone?

/not a geologist
//not even on TV


Because the earth is just one giant bell and when you frack you ring that bell causing vibrations those vibrations are earthquakes. Yeah fracking is just us calling Galactus in for supper.
 
2014-03-27 03:46:52 PM  
Nah, it's not fracking. Just God getting on their case for not hating teh gheys enough.
 
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