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(Salon)   Scalia's straw-grasping for a legal reason to decide in favor of Hobby Lobby has begun   (salon.com) divider line 312
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2014-03-27 02:26:24 PM
Thank you for using the obvious tag.
 
2014-03-27 02:38:04 PM
If they side with Hobby Lobby, it will set a bad precedent for other religious groups running businesses.

What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?
 
2014-03-27 02:40:35 PM
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2014-03-27 02:47:01 PM
Amish people have to put reflective markers on their buggies- they argued in court that it was against their religious freedom to have to do that.

The judge said sorry, if you want to have your buggies on county roads, they have to have safety reflectors.
 
2014-03-27 02:53:12 PM

vernonFL: Amish people have to put reflective markers on their buggies- they argued in court that it was against their religious freedom to have to do that.

The judge said sorry, if you want to have your buggies on county roads, they have to have safety reflectors.


Amish people aren't corporations.
 
2014-03-27 03:12:27 PM
Dammit!!!
 
2014-03-27 03:16:03 PM

Dinki: vernonFL: Amish people have to put reflective markers on their buggies- they argued in court that it was against their religious freedom to have to do that.

The judge said sorry, if you want to have your buggies on county roads, they have to have safety reflectors.

Amish people aren't corporations.


Corporations are people, my friend.
 
2014-03-27 03:23:21 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Dinki: vernonFL: Amish people have to put reflective markers on their buggies- they argued in court that it was against their religious freedom to have to do that.

The judge said sorry, if you want to have your buggies on county roads, they have to have safety reflectors.

Amish people aren't corporations.

Corporations are people, my friend.


1. No they aren't
2. No one is friends with you, asshole.

/not you, but the douche you are quoting.
 
2014-03-27 03:25:16 PM
Scalia won't even experience mild cognitive dissonance. His reasoning in Smith was "the First Amendment wasn't supposed to apply to heathen pagan Indians."
 
2014-03-27 03:30:19 PM

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Conservative hypocrisy at its finest.
 
2014-03-27 03:40:27 PM
Looks libs, it's simple. We all live under equal religious freedom to abide by Catholic doctrine.
 
2014-03-27 03:42:16 PM
Partisan hack
 
2014-03-27 03:46:12 PM
There really needs to be a way to get judges off the SCOTUS besides "Wait for them to die or retire". Not necessarily an EASY way, but a way nonetheless.
 
2014-03-27 03:46:21 PM

RedPhoenix122: If they side with Hobby Lobby, it will set a bad precedent for other religious groups running businesses.

What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?


This could turn into a reversed form of discrimination. Like a Catholic business firing someone for being on birth control in the first place, because the company's rights need to be protected.
 
2014-03-27 03:47:34 PM
Since there's a story on Fix News about "The Heroic Families" that own Conestoga and Hobby Lobby, I'm guessing the analysis isn't looking good.
 
2014-03-27 03:49:25 PM

RedPhoenix122: If they side with Hobby Lobby, it will set a bad precedent for other religious groups running businesses.

What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?


While it would be bad in the short term, there is nothing like overreach to correct a festering wrong. If the right hadn't used the anti-gay marriage drum so loudly, gays would have had to struggle against vague prejudice, rather than in-your-face codified examples of bigotry which fall apart like a Jenga tower at the slightest touch.

I'm looking forward to deducting the portion of my taxes which pay for death penalty trials, appeals, and executions.
 
2014-03-27 03:49:29 PM

RedPhoenix122: If they side with Hobby Lobby, it will set a bad precedent for other religious groups running businesses.

What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?


"We went Jehova's Witness to save on insurance costs, and as a side benefit, we were able to cut down on waste expenditures and productivity lost on cakes and birthday celebrations as well!"
 
2014-03-27 03:49:38 PM

Epic Fap Session: Looks libs, it's simple. We all live under equal religious freedom to abide by Catholic doctrine.


Remember when Kennedy was running for office and conservatives were scared about Catholic influence on government?
 
2014-03-27 03:49:44 PM

MFAWG: Since there's a story on Fix News about "The Heroic Families" that own Conestoga and Hobby Lobby, I'm guessing the analysis isn't looking good.


Hopefully they're just unskewing it.
 
2014-03-27 03:49:48 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Dinki: vernonFL: Amish people have to put reflective markers on their buggies- they argued in court that it was against their religious freedom to have to do that.

The judge said sorry, if you want to have your buggies on county roads, they have to have safety reflectors.

Amish people aren't corporations.

Corporations are people, my friend.


People whose rights matter more than yours, for that matter. You could say conservatives believe that some people are more equal than others.
 
2014-03-27 03:50:04 PM
Nobody has said Hobby Lobby must provide insurance than may provide these services, only that they cannot get tax exemptions for providing insurance that does not meet a specific standard.  They can exercise their freedom all the way to the tax office if they like.
 
2014-03-27 03:50:05 PM

LordJiro: There really needs to be a way to get judges off the SCOTUS besides "Wait for them to die or retire". Not necessarily an EASY way, but a way nonetheless.


There is.  They can be impeached, just like the President.  It is an extremely high bar.
 
2014-03-27 03:50:20 PM

Epic Fap Session: Looks libs, it's simple. We all live under equal religious freedom to abide by Catholic Southern Baptist doctrine.

 
2014-03-27 03:50:38 PM

MFAWG: Since there's a story on Fix News about "The Heroic Families" that own Conestoga and Hobby Lobby, I'm guessing the analysis isn't looking good.


Meaning they are preparing their viewers for disappointment? GOOD.
 
2014-03-27 03:51:33 PM

UncomfortableSilence: RedPhoenix122: If they side with Hobby Lobby, it will set a bad precedent for other religious groups running businesses.

What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?

"We went Jehova's Witness to save on insurance costs, and as a side benefit, we were able to cut down on waste expenditures and productivity lost on cakes and birthday celebrations as well!"


Also you're working on Christmas.
 
2014-03-27 03:51:58 PM
Antonin Scalia is likely one of the worst people to ever sit on the bench of any court, let alone SCOTUS. He is a loathsome, opinionated creature who changes law beliefs and definitions like an OCD germaphobe washes their hands. I find him repugnant, and terrible for the future of this country. You don't decide cases just to get headlines. You decide cases to better outline the laws of this country. You're a Supreme Court justice. You're at the top. You don't need name recognition. You've got it! It's utterly ridiculous.
 
2014-03-27 03:52:02 PM
Reminds me of The Onion.

"Christian Science Pharmacist refuses to fill any prescriptions."
 
2014-03-27 03:52:10 PM

Epic Fap Session: Looks libs, it's simple. We all live under equal religious freedom to abide by Catholic doctrine.


I've said it for years...conservatives want to grant you the freedom to be just like them

/and if you ain't like them, you ain't gots no freedoms
 
2014-03-27 03:52:45 PM
It's my understanding that Hobby Lobby only has an issue with the Day After Pill (RU486) and IUDs....no issue with any other contraceptive.
 
2014-03-27 03:53:14 PM
Scalia's birth control debacle: Wingnut justice completely baffled by contraception

this is as far as I got.
whackadoodle typing detected.
 
2014-03-27 03:53:16 PM
How in the fark can a corporation have religious convictions?
 
2014-03-27 03:53:19 PM
What if I start a business and want to sacrifice 9 of every kind again?
 
2014-03-27 03:53:58 PM
Justice Kennedy sort of pushed [back on] that and said: What about employees who may have their own religious beliefs, and aren't required to have the same as the corporate CEO's? And does religion just trump their interests?

This!
 
2014-03-27 03:54:09 PM

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Conservative hypocrisy at its finest.


Do you know the difference between those items?
 
2014-03-27 03:54:10 PM

LordJiro: There really needs to be a way to get judges off the SCOTUS besides "Wait for them to die or retire". Not necessarily an EASY way, but a way nonetheless.


Congress can impeach them.. but with the current set of poo flingers in Congress, it'll never happen.
 
2014-03-27 03:54:26 PM

LordJiro: There really needs to be a way to get judges off the SCOTUS besides "Wait for them to die or retire". Not necessarily an EASY way, but a way nonetheless.


There is a semi-precedent for impeaching a Justice, done during Jefferson's admin, but it seems that the larger precedent was that Congress wanted nothing to do with it, and keep the Supreme Court independent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Chase
So basically good ole character assassination, get some kiddie porn on his computer, is your only real shot.
 
2014-03-27 03:54:32 PM
Hahaha like Scalia gives two shiats if people see him as a hypocrite.

Scalia's an not a judge, he's an ideologue.
 
2014-03-27 03:55:02 PM

ferretman: It's my understanding that Hobby Lobby only has an issue with the Day After Pill (RU486) and IUDs....no issue with any other contraceptive.


so? they take issue with them because they don't understand how they work
 
2014-03-27 03:55:34 PM

RedPhoenix122: What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?


Because they aren't religious fundamentalists who force their beliefs on others?
 
2014-03-27 03:55:45 PM

joonyer: How in the fark can a corporation have religious convictions?


Thank Congress and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
 
2014-03-27 03:55:49 PM
It is important not to get caught up in activist fads like precedent or reading specific sections of the constitution.  More important is the vibe of the thing.  Here's some rare archival footage of Justice Scalia arguing constitutional law while an exchange student:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJuXIq7OazQ
 
2014-03-27 03:55:51 PM
This is actually a pretty good article. These are the biggest points I saw:

First off, what's to prevent people from claiming religious opposition to all kinds of medical treatments for their employees? Where does the line get drawn?

Secondly, they also point out that the individuals can have religious beliefs that run counter to their employers, why are the individuals getting ignored? It's one thing to protect individual people, but unless you are working specifically for a religious institution like the Catholic Church, you can be reasonably expected to know that you're working for a religious organization, but if this story had never come out, nobody would know that HL was being run by fundamentalists. For one,it wouldn't be anyone's business. Are we going to have to start asking the 'religion' of a particular corporation when we apply for work now? It's not my business what my boss' religion is, nor the religion of our company's CEO, but if this passes, I may have to ask them.
 
2014-03-27 03:56:01 PM

RedPhoenix122: If they side with Hobby Lobby, it will set a bad precedent for other religious groups running businesses.

What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?


You're not thinking big enough. What if all the corporations in America suddenly have religious conversions and don't believe in providing benefits at all?
 
2014-03-27 03:56:19 PM
What if I start a corporation, borrow money from the bank, but then refuse to pay interest on the loan because usury is against my Christian beliefs?
 
2014-03-27 03:57:02 PM
Also, I just realized the other day that this is the first Supreme Court in history that doesn't have a single Protestant judge.  6 Catholics and 3 Jews.

Of course, we all know why the right has nominated Catholics...
 
2014-03-27 03:57:23 PM

Frozboz: RedPhoenix122: What's to stop Jehovah's Witnesses who own businesses from getting insurance that doesn't cover blood transfusions?

Because they aren't religious fundamentalists who force their beliefs on others?


Just like any other group, most aren't, some are.
 
2014-03-27 03:57:35 PM
Dear wanna be Libertarian farkstick dingleberry corporation: It's called a "social contract". Look it up.

And for wasting the ever-living shiat out of everyones time, your state-issued corporate charter is now revoked. Oh wait...
 
2014-03-27 03:58:27 PM
Wait, Hobby Lobby? Is Wizards of the Coast going into politics now?.
 
2014-03-27 03:58:38 PM
I could care less about Scalia. I am FAR more interested in Kennedy and Roberts. So should everyone else for that matter.
 
2014-03-27 03:58:48 PM

CPennypacker: ferretman: It's my understanding that Hobby Lobby only has an issue with the Day After Pill (RU486) and IUDs....no issue with any other contraceptive.

so? they take issue with them because they don't understand how they work


If they allow for boner pills and pumps, then they can sure as hell allow for IUDs and RU486.
 
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