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(Straits Times)   In a move that no one should have a problem with, Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public   (straitstimes.com) divider line 52
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2014-03-27 02:26:58 PM
5 votes:
Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.
2014-03-27 03:29:39 PM
4 votes:

stevejovi: There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.


Fire has been completely debunked.

The plane made a number of turns directly to waypoints well after the transponders were disabled, well after reaching an airport at which they could have landed.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearan ce _chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

That alone is enough to disprove the fire theory, but there's more.   The on board computer was programmed with westward headings before the last voice signal was sent.

Average time from the start of a fire until hull burn through is 12 minutes.  Those in the know cannot fathom any way fire would destroy the two transponder systems, while allowing the maintenance satellite system and autopilot to continue running.  Sure, it's a remote possibility, but added to everything else, it reduces further the odds of fire.

When you rule out everything else, you have to accept the only remaining possibility.  Someone flew the plane towards its destination.  There were only two people on board who provably knew how to disable the on board transponders and program the navigation system.

That's why the Malaysians are being so cagey.  They don't want to admit they've found something damning about one of their pilots.
2014-03-27 03:09:11 PM
4 votes:

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


YES
you dont release information, esp while investigating a potential crime or act of terrorism.
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,
toss in that there might be other criminals on the ground that you dont want to tip off,
toss in that say the plane was REALLY still out there, wouldnt want to tip off the bad guys that you are coming to get them

/kind of like not letting pakistan KNOW that you were coming to get osama ... lol
2014-03-27 03:28:21 PM
3 votes:

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Wow, the comments on that site are chock-full of conspiracy Derp. I can't decide whether the certainty with which these fools spot out their baseless theories is funny or sad.

Guess I'll go with "sadny." Yeah, that sounds sufficiently cromulent...


It's a Singapore paper. Not surprised Singaporeans would accuse Malaysians of incompetence and cover up.
2014-03-27 03:09:42 PM
3 votes:
Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.
2014-03-27 04:06:10 PM
2 votes:

Lydia_C: Galloping Galoshes: Lydia_C: Although... If I were the head of a large PR firm, I might be thinking how to pitch my services to other Third World governments. "You don't want to look like those Malaysian yokels in front of the media, do you?"

The Malaysian government doesn't really care how it looks.  It's quite authoritarian, regardless of its parlimentary trappings.


Yeah, obviously they don't - I was thinking of other governments.


Actually, they do to an extent.  Elections are mostly free, although it helps if you can detain the opposition leader so he doesn't get to run (Anwar).  Public opinion has led to the government repealing of some of the nastier remnants of British Colonial law like the internal security act, used to suppress pro-clean election Bersihrallies.  The ruling party is very worried it won't continue to be the ruling party.  It was a shocker for them when they lost their 2/3 majority (back in 2008, I think) which allowed easy changes to the constitution.  The trend toward more openness is not their friend, although revenue from oil continues to be spent to keep most of the states in their pocket.
2014-03-27 03:55:51 PM
2 votes:

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


This.

When a plane crashes in america, the NTSB doesn't say a goddamn thing until the investigation is done.

For example, That news chopper crash last week?  Here is what the NTSB has said so far.  "The chopper got fuel, tried to take off, there was a noise, it spun counter clockwise, and fell to the ground."

Dollars to donuts it's a tail rotor failure (it's a textbook example of one), but the NTSB is not willing to say that until it's investigated all the wreckage. It will probably be a year before the NTSB says "yup. Tail rotor failed."  In the mean time, they haven't said, and will not say, anything you haven't heard on the news already.
2014-03-27 03:55:39 PM
2 votes:
Next Malaysia will use the 'Chewbacca defense'.
2014-03-27 03:38:37 PM
2 votes:

MooseBayou: namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.


Those were asylum-seekers. There's probably never a flight from Asia to Europe that doesn't have some asylum-seeker aboard with false papers.
2014-03-27 03:35:58 PM
2 votes:

namatad: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.

YES
you dont release information, esp while investigating a potential crime or act of terrorism.
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,
toss in that there might be other criminals on the ground that you dont want to tip off,
toss in that say the plane was REALLY still out there, wouldnt want to tip off the bad guys that you are coming to get them


From TFA: "The sealed evidence included air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings."

Yeah, that's great and all, but ATC transcripts are generally published pretty quickly.  In fact, portions already have.
And radar tracks, if it's military, you might not, but civilian radar, why not?
Airport security recordings, depends on what kind.  They've already released video from security cameras in the airport.
Your theory's great until it has to deal with the particular facts of this case.
2014-03-27 03:21:07 PM
2 votes:
Yeah, those Chinese families are going to lose their shiat and the Chinese government is going to let them throw rocks at the Malaysian embassy.
2014-03-27 03:20:47 PM
2 votes:
Wow, the comments on that site are chock-full of conspiracy Derp. I can't decide whether the certainty with which these fools spot out their baseless theories is funny or sad.

Guess I'll go with "sadny." Yeah, that sounds sufficiently cromulent...
2014-03-27 03:15:33 PM
2 votes:

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?! Like a secret that could take down it's government?


The same reason the Egyptian and Indonesian governments refused to accept the U.S. NTSB findings for Egyptair 990 and SilkAir 185.

Pilot suicide on national air carriers is highly embarrassing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
2014-03-27 03:13:27 PM
2 votes:
"Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

OH SNAP
2014-03-27 03:10:32 PM
2 votes:
they only seal the evidence that makes them culpable, so there's that
2014-03-27 02:09:30 PM
2 votes:

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


As if saying there's stuff that cannot be made public on one of the more suspicious incidents in modern history ISN'T a ginormous red flag for the international law enforcement community.
2014-03-27 09:09:02 PM
1 votes:

MooseBayou: CSB -

Reminds me a night when I was a tugboat dispatcher in Harvey, LA.  We had a tug, the M/V Venus, that caught fire, and burned to the hull.  (Funny thing about diesel fuel - it never exploded on any of our tug fires.)


That's because it's not explosive.  Rather a lot why the military likes it - you can have large amounts of it stored and the worst that will happen is that it burns.

/well, the WORST is if you have it in a sealed container and the container pops.

/well, the WORST WORST is if that happens and nobody puts it on Youtube, because a search for BLEVE is hours of entertainment
2014-03-27 06:44:34 PM
1 votes:
If you want to get to the bottom of this, you need to look at the facts.

1. The prime minister of Malaysia is involved.
2. Part of the political unrest in Malaysia could result in the implementation of strict child labor protections, leading to higher prices for clothing.
3. The pilot was a male model.
2014-03-27 06:04:25 PM
1 votes:

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


I'm going to take a wild guess that one of the pilots said something Muslim-y at some point - and they don't want to foster an ethnic stereotype (no matter how accurate it might be in this particular case).
2014-03-27 05:45:44 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: FTFA:

The truth: MH370 was destroyed by the Comet Empire.  STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!


♫Searching for a distant star
Heading off to Iscandar
Leaving all we love behind
Who knows what dangers we'll find
We must be strong and brave
Our home we have to save
If we don't in just one year
Mother Earth will disappear
Fighting with the Gamalons
We won't stop until we've won
Then we'll return and when we arrive
The Earth will survive with our Star Blazers♫
2014-03-27 05:25:11 PM
1 votes:

Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.


Put on a pot of coffee.  Tinfoil hat optional.  A CIA pilot's perspective:
http://chiptatum.com/index.php/articles/14-bernt-carlsson-lockerbie- pa ssenger-or-target
2014-03-27 05:23:00 PM
1 votes:

stevejovi: This is nothing more than a bunch of out-of-the-loop bureaucrats pulling something out of their arses to appease an angry group of bereaved relatives. Media blows it up into NSA shenanigans.

There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Sheesh.


So.. while there is a fire, and it makes the plane do a 180, why does the pilot not do one of these.

a> hey look, we are banking.
b> hey look, we are turning.
c> what are those lights doing beneath me, out here in the ocean?
d> what happened to the moon? It was in front of me 5 minutes ago.
2014-03-27 05:21:28 PM
1 votes:
Create reason for copilot to leave the cockpit.  Put on personal oxygen tank mask.  Disable circuit breaker to cabin emergency oxygen lines.  Depressurize plane.  Wait 2 minutes.  Pressurize plane.  Turn on autopilot.  Go into back of plane and take pictures of yourself posing with each of the corpses, maybe playing a little dress up.  Wag your finger at corpse and act like you are angry with it.  That sort of thing.  Maybe a few pictures a la weekend at Bernie's style.  Upload all the pictures to your blog.  Drink all the alcohol on board.  Profit.
2014-03-27 05:18:14 PM
1 votes:

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


I never said anything about missiles. My skepticism comes from the supposed "wiring fault".
2014-03-27 05:17:50 PM
1 votes:

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.
2014-03-27 05:17:49 PM
1 votes:
If a plane hits the ocean going fast enough, it will break up and a lot of stuff will float.

If not, the whole plane will float for some time before it sinks, and the various transponders and such would be likely going off.

So far, no one has delivered a single piece of physical evidence.  I remain skeptical.
2014-03-27 05:06:29 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.


I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.
2014-03-27 04:36:02 PM
1 votes:
They were probably using a Stingray to capture cell phone data, so it's all under NDA.
2014-03-27 04:20:29 PM
1 votes:

raerae1980: TheShavingofOccam123: So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.

I watched the documentary on Netflix about twa flight 800 last night. Really interesting but made me feel like a conspiracy nut.


I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.
2014-03-27 04:04:52 PM
1 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.

The Russians did it to distract the Chinese while they roll their shock armies up to the Mongolian border.


Or it could have been an accident. There could have been a small short lived fire that knocked out one of the transponders and damaged the other one enough that it eventually failed. Although this fire was extinguished, it could have also ruptured the canisters that house the chemicals for the chemtrails. Because of the fire the pilot most likely would have set a course to turn around and land at the nearest airport to assess the damage, but he didn't know that the chemtrial containers were ruptured and was overcome by the chemicals before he could fully enter in the new flight plan into the flight computer causing the plane to fly off until it crashed. When they are diluted into the atmosphere those chemitrail chemicals will leave people susceptible to a suggestive state, but they aren't deadly. However in an undiluted form and in an enclosed space those things will cause unconsciousness and death in a matter of minutes.
2014-03-27 04:00:41 PM
1 votes:
FTFA:

Some family representatives targeted Malaysian envoy Iskandar Sarudin, asking him: "You expect us to accept a report you cannot defend?"

"No comment,'' said Mr Iskandar.


Malaysia and Indonesia share a border.

upload.wikimedia.org

Indonesia and Malaysia are both known for gamelan music.

Iscandar and Gamilon are located in the same star system.

Coincidences?  I THINK NOT!

The truth: MH370 was destroyed by the Comet Empire.  STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!
2014-03-27 03:57:44 PM
1 votes:
Is anyone really sure this isn't Malaysia's reality version of Lost?
2014-03-27 03:53:15 PM
1 votes:
Ok, well, it seems perfectly normal for some information to be withheld during an investigation.  Everyone knows that.

But if this is some crucial piece of evidence that could have led to an end of this investigation sooner, there are two questions to ask:
1.  Why the hell are you telling us now?
2.  Seriously.  Why would you come out and say, "We have more evidence.  But we can't show it to you."?

Reminds me of Sheldon Cooper talking to Leonard.  "I have to tell you something.  But I can't tell you what it is."
2014-03-27 03:50:33 PM
1 votes:
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens.

/not really
2014-03-27 03:43:42 PM
1 votes:
Whatever. This is going to be an awesome Mayday episode.
2014-03-27 03:38:43 PM
1 votes:
One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.
2014-03-27 03:33:46 PM
1 votes:

clkeagle: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.

Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.


They already have, and not just in the US media, judging from the comments for TFA. Lots of cray-cray now about the plane being shot down over the cargo it had on board (whatever you think that might be).

The things is ... though not revealing all your cards during an investigation is SOP, Malaysian Airlines and the Malaysian gov't have shown a particular talent for expressing things in the most ham-fisted ways imaginable. There's "we need to refrain from commenting during an active investigation," and then there's basically, "we know stuff and won't say if we plan to ever tell you."

If I were one of the Chinese relatives, I'd be ape-shiat with fury, myself.

Although... If I were the head of a large PR firm, I might be thinking how to pitch my services to other Third World governments. "You don't want to look like those Malaysian yokels in front of the media, do you?"
2014-03-27 03:29:48 PM
1 votes:
namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.
2014-03-27 03:25:56 PM
1 votes:
CSB -

Reminds me a night when I was a tugboat dispatcher in Harvey, LA.  We had a tug, the M/V Venus, that caught fire, and burned to the hull.  (Funny thing about diesel fuel - it never exploded on any of our tug fires.)  It was then taken under tow by anther tug, up the Houma Navigational Canal for assessments and repairs, when it started taking on water from an unknown source, and sank in the middle of the channel.

I called our Port Captain at about 3:30 am, and told him I had good news, and bad news.  The bad news: The Venus was awash and aground, blocking the HNC.  The good news:  There was very little chance of a re-ignition of the fire.

He didn't even chuckle.

CSB over.
2014-03-27 03:25:46 PM
1 votes:
I wonder if some Anonymous person will hack into their records and post it on the internet somewhere. Anonymously.
2014-03-27 03:22:17 PM
1 votes:
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gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 03:22:01 PM
1 votes:
media.247sports.com
2014-03-27 03:19:30 PM
1 votes:
From the article - "During the question-and-answer session, a relative said: Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

Lol!
2014-03-27 03:18:38 PM
1 votes:

AndreMA: Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.


It bears repeating.
2014-03-27 03:17:00 PM
1 votes:
Crudbucket:

I think they're just enjoying being on the world stage for once and don't want the spotlight to fade.

Not likely this weekend. They're hosting a Grand Prix.
2014-03-27 03:15:49 PM
1 votes:
This is nothing more than a bunch of out-of-the-loop bureaucrats pulling something out of their arses to appease an angry group of bereaved relatives. Media blows it up into NSA shenanigans.

There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Sheesh.
2014-03-27 03:15:15 PM
1 votes:

Somaticasual: Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?

Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be some kind of missile accident or an accidental shoot-down on malaysia's behalf. Countries tend to keep two types of secrets - the kind that would fuel their enemies, and the kind that would make them look bad. Since there aren't a lot of enemies involved here...


Secret missile shootdowns are as real as Bigfoot. If somebody had shot that airliner down, you'd have known about it within hours.

/Seriously, if you didn't cover up the Iran Air 655 incident, why would you ever cover up anything?
2014-03-27 03:11:10 PM
1 votes:
You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
2014-03-27 03:10:09 PM
1 votes:

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be some kind of missile accident or an accidental shoot-down on malaysia's behalf. Countries tend to keep two types of secrets - the kind that would fuel their enemies, and the kind that would make them look bad. Since there aren't a lot of enemies involved here...
2014-03-27 03:09:06 PM
1 votes:
The gist I'm getting off of this is "Go Away".
2014-03-27 03:05:25 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, the US government would never seal documents relating to an on going investigation
2014-03-27 01:17:27 PM
1 votes:
Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?
 
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