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(Straits Times)   In a move that no one should have a problem with, Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public   (straitstimes.com) divider line 182
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2014-03-27 01:03:02 PM
Insert surprised all to hell face.
The tale that just keeps on wagging.

/suicides start in 3,2,1
 
2014-03-27 01:17:27 PM
Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?
 
2014-03-27 02:09:30 PM

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


As if saying there's stuff that cannot be made public on one of the more suspicious incidents in modern history ISN'T a ginormous red flag for the international law enforcement community.
 
2014-03-27 02:26:58 PM
Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.
 
2014-03-27 03:05:25 PM
Yeah, the US government would never seal documents relating to an on going investigation
 
2014-03-27 03:08:48 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.
 
2014-03-27 03:09:06 PM
The gist I'm getting off of this is "Go Away".
 
2014-03-27 03:09:11 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


YES
you dont release information, esp while investigating a potential crime or act of terrorism.
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,
toss in that there might be other criminals on the ground that you dont want to tip off,
toss in that say the plane was REALLY still out there, wouldnt want to tip off the bad guys that you are coming to get them

/kind of like not letting pakistan KNOW that you were coming to get osama ... lol
 
2014-03-27 03:09:42 PM
Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.
 
2014-03-27 03:09:51 PM

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


I think they're just enjoying being on the world stage for once and don't want the spotlight to fade.
 
2014-03-27 03:10:09 PM

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be some kind of missile accident or an accidental shoot-down on malaysia's behalf. Countries tend to keep two types of secrets - the kind that would fuel their enemies, and the kind that would make them look bad. Since there aren't a lot of enemies involved here...
 
2014-03-27 03:10:32 PM
they only seal the evidence that makes them culpable, so there's that
 
2014-03-27 03:10:44 PM
Information goes into an active investigation. It doesn't come out.
 
2014-03-27 03:11:10 PM
You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2014-03-27 03:11:11 PM

AndreMA: Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.


...most countries don't

/editing fail
 
2014-03-27 03:13:27 PM
"Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

OH SNAP
 
2014-03-27 03:15:15 PM

Somaticasual: Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?

Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be some kind of missile accident or an accidental shoot-down on malaysia's behalf. Countries tend to keep two types of secrets - the kind that would fuel their enemies, and the kind that would make them look bad. Since there aren't a lot of enemies involved here...


Secret missile shootdowns are as real as Bigfoot. If somebody had shot that airliner down, you'd have known about it within hours.

/Seriously, if you didn't cover up the Iran Air 655 incident, why would you ever cover up anything?
 
2014-03-27 03:15:33 PM

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?! Like a secret that could take down it's government?


The same reason the Egyptian and Indonesian governments refused to accept the U.S. NTSB findings for Egyptair 990 and SilkAir 185.

Pilot suicide on national air carriers is highly embarrassing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
 
2014-03-27 03:15:49 PM
This is nothing more than a bunch of out-of-the-loop bureaucrats pulling something out of their arses to appease an angry group of bereaved relatives. Media blows it up into NSA shenanigans.

There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Sheesh.
 
2014-03-27 03:17:00 PM
Crudbucket:

I think they're just enjoying being on the world stage for once and don't want the spotlight to fade.

Not likely this weekend. They're hosting a Grand Prix.
 
2014-03-27 03:17:26 PM
Who knew there was a grassy knoll in Malaysia.
 
2014-03-27 03:18:36 PM
Zoolander should've killed the President of Malaysia.
 
2014-03-27 03:18:38 PM

AndreMA: Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.


It bears repeating.
 
2014-03-27 03:19:30 PM
From the article - "During the question-and-answer session, a relative said: Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

Lol!
 
2014-03-27 03:20:23 PM

Archae hippy: "Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

OH SNAP


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-03-27 03:20:47 PM
Wow, the comments on that site are chock-full of conspiracy Derp. I can't decide whether the certainty with which these fools spot out their baseless theories is funny or sad.

Guess I'll go with "sadny." Yeah, that sounds sufficiently cromulent...
 
2014-03-27 03:21:07 PM
Yeah, those Chinese families are going to lose their shiat and the Chinese government is going to let them throw rocks at the Malaysian embassy.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 03:22:01 PM
media.247sports.com
 
2014-03-27 03:22:17 PM
i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-27 03:23:20 PM
Great idea!

Let's piss off the Chinese even more!
 
2014-03-27 03:23:26 PM
I think deliberately crashed is becoming the most likely scenario. They don't want to unseal anything to do with the pilot.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 03:24:09 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Yeah, those Chinese families are going to lose their shiat and the Chinese government is going to let them throw rocks at the Malaysian embassy.


Normally you can say "Meh", but with over a billion people to hoist bits of masonry they might actually want to worry about the scenario.
 
2014-03-27 03:25:46 PM
I wonder if some Anonymous person will hack into their records and post it on the internet somewhere. Anonymously.
 
2014-03-27 03:25:56 PM
CSB -

Reminds me a night when I was a tugboat dispatcher in Harvey, LA.  We had a tug, the M/V Venus, that caught fire, and burned to the hull.  (Funny thing about diesel fuel - it never exploded on any of our tug fires.)  It was then taken under tow by anther tug, up the Houma Navigational Canal for assessments and repairs, when it started taking on water from an unknown source, and sank in the middle of the channel.

I called our Port Captain at about 3:30 am, and told him I had good news, and bad news.  The bad news: The Venus was awash and aground, blocking the HNC.  The good news:  There was very little chance of a re-ignition of the fire.

He didn't even chuckle.

CSB over.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:21 PM
It was an inside job just like 9/11.
They already know exactly what happened and are trying their damnedest to keep the truth from the light.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:37 PM
So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:47 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


Yeah it is. It is just the way they said it. They need to get better public relations people.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:50 PM
I think someone at Malaysia recently finished reading Nelson DeMille's MayDay.
 
2014-03-27 03:28:21 PM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Wow, the comments on that site are chock-full of conspiracy Derp. I can't decide whether the certainty with which these fools spot out their baseless theories is funny or sad.

Guess I'll go with "sadny." Yeah, that sounds sufficiently cromulent...


It's a Singapore paper. Not surprised Singaporeans would accuse Malaysians of incompetence and cover up.
 
2014-03-27 03:28:41 PM
The airplane was brought down by seals?!
 
2014-03-27 03:28:49 PM
Sounds like a typical aircraft running into a UFO cover-up.
 
2014-03-27 03:29:39 PM

stevejovi: There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.


Fire has been completely debunked.

The plane made a number of turns directly to waypoints well after the transponders were disabled, well after reaching an airport at which they could have landed.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearan ce _chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

That alone is enough to disprove the fire theory, but there's more.   The on board computer was programmed with westward headings before the last voice signal was sent.

Average time from the start of a fire until hull burn through is 12 minutes.  Those in the know cannot fathom any way fire would destroy the two transponder systems, while allowing the maintenance satellite system and autopilot to continue running.  Sure, it's a remote possibility, but added to everything else, it reduces further the odds of fire.

When you rule out everything else, you have to accept the only remaining possibility.  Someone flew the plane towards its destination.  There were only two people on board who provably knew how to disable the on board transponders and program the navigation system.

That's why the Malaysians are being so cagey.  They don't want to admit they've found something damning about one of their pilots.
 
2014-03-27 03:29:48 PM
namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.
 
2014-03-27 03:31:25 PM
How long until the pingers run out of juice?
 
2014-03-27 03:33:46 PM

clkeagle: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.

Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.


They already have, and not just in the US media, judging from the comments for TFA. Lots of cray-cray now about the plane being shot down over the cargo it had on board (whatever you think that might be).

The things is ... though not revealing all your cards during an investigation is SOP, Malaysian Airlines and the Malaysian gov't have shown a particular talent for expressing things in the most ham-fisted ways imaginable. There's "we need to refrain from commenting during an active investigation," and then there's basically, "we know stuff and won't say if we plan to ever tell you."

If I were one of the Chinese relatives, I'd be ape-shiat with fury, myself.

Although... If I were the head of a large PR firm, I might be thinking how to pitch my services to other Third World governments. "You don't want to look like those Malaysian yokels in front of the media, do you?"
 
2014-03-27 03:34:07 PM

Mudd's woman: How long until the pingers run out of juice?


30 days, but they can only be heard 3 or 4 miles away, less if conditions are bad, and with thermals, maybe not all the way to the surface.

Even if they're functioning, the odds are of any search vessels getting close enough to listen within the next two weeks is low.
 
2014-03-27 03:34:49 PM
Where is our NSA now?

They are so horrible at managing this whole thing... I am not implying that I know who SHOULD be managing this (I appreciate they may not have so many of these events to prepare them) - I wish they would just be quiet until they have something meaningful... those poor family and friends.
 
2014-03-27 03:35:51 PM
.....aaaaaaaand there goes H2: The History Channel to Channel Creep.

/or would that be Turner Classic Movies?
 
2014-03-27 03:35:58 PM

namatad: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.

YES
you dont release information, esp while investigating a potential crime or act of terrorism.
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,
toss in that there might be other criminals on the ground that you dont want to tip off,
toss in that say the plane was REALLY still out there, wouldnt want to tip off the bad guys that you are coming to get them


From TFA: "The sealed evidence included air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings."

Yeah, that's great and all, but ATC transcripts are generally published pretty quickly.  In fact, portions already have.
And radar tracks, if it's military, you might not, but civilian radar, why not?
Airport security recordings, depends on what kind.  They've already released video from security cameras in the airport.
Your theory's great until it has to deal with the particular facts of this case.
 
2014-03-27 03:38:37 PM

MooseBayou: namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.


Those were asylum-seekers. There's probably never a flight from Asia to Europe that doesn't have some asylum-seeker aboard with false papers.
 
2014-03-27 03:38:43 PM
One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.
 
2014-03-27 03:38:55 PM

Lydia_C: Although... If I were the head of a large PR firm, I might be thinking how to pitch my services to other Third World governments. "You don't want to look like those Malaysian yokels in front of the media, do you?"


The Malaysian government doesn't really care how it looks.  It's quite authoritarian, regardless of its parlimentary trappings.
 
2014-03-27 03:38:58 PM
I think I know where BP's PR guys went after the oil spill.
 
2014-03-27 03:39:30 PM

Stoker: It was an inside job just like 9/11.
They already know exactly what happened and are trying their damnedest to keep the truth from the light.


A second WTC has crashed into the southbound plane
 
2014-03-27 03:39:53 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-27 03:40:11 PM

ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.


The Russians did it to distract the Chinese while they roll their shock armies up to the Mongolian border.
 
2014-03-27 03:40:50 PM

Stoker: It was an inside job just like 9/11.
They already know exactly what happened and are trying their damnedest to keep the truth from the light.


If you're serious, hit yourself in the face as hard as you can. If you're just trolling, hit yourself twice.
 
2014-03-27 03:42:44 PM

LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]


Serious question.  Is that guy still alive?
 
2014-03-27 03:43:06 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.


I watched the documentary on Netflix about twa flight 800 last night. Really interesting but made me feel like a conspiracy nut.
 
2014-03-27 03:43:42 PM
Whatever. This is going to be an awesome Mayday episode.
 
2014-03-27 03:44:11 PM
If only Boeing had spent $100 on Amazon and taped one of these to the plane:

www.findmespot.com
 
2014-03-27 03:44:13 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Lydia_C: Although... If I were the head of a large PR firm, I might be thinking how to pitch my services to other Third World governments. "You don't want to look like those Malaysian yokels in front of the media, do you?"

The Malaysian government doesn't really care how it looks.  It's quite authoritarian, regardless of its parlimentary trappings.



Yeah, obviously they don't - I was thinking of other governments.
 
2014-03-27 03:46:04 PM

clkeagle: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.

Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.


I think it's time to revisit the 'tiny black hole' theory
 
2014-03-27 03:46:40 PM
Ma-lay-si-a!
Ma-lay-si-a-a-a-a!
Now were are here.
Malaysia-a.
 
2014-03-27 03:46:41 PM

Galloping Galoshes: The Russians did it to distract the Chinese while they roll their shock armies up to the Mongolian border.


Which is just what the Rand Corporation (in conjunction with the saucer people, under the direction of the reverse vampires) would want you to believe!
 
2014-03-27 03:48:13 PM

Tigger: it's time to revisit the 'tiny black hole'


cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2014-03-27 03:48:22 PM

LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]


Serious answer: Apparently, he's alive but living in obscurity.

FARK Answer: He regenerated:

news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2014-03-27 03:48:24 PM
The United States would not act any differently re: the data.

/see 9/11 et al
 
2014-03-27 03:48:29 PM

RandomRandom: The plane made a number of turns directly to waypoints well after the transponders were disabled, well after reaching an airport at which they could have landed.


If you follow the link at your link, it's basically unsourced rumor:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-malaysia-airlines-radar -e xclusive-idUSBREA2D0DG20140314

It's all "sources familiar with investigations into the Boeing 777's disappearance." and "Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 "

You can't debunk anything based upon such weasily wording and unsourced statements.  Hell, the reporter could have just been making shiat up and by couching it in such phrases *IF* someone looks back on it they can just say "hey, my sources were bad" and they won't get fired for lying.
 
2014-03-27 03:50:33 PM
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens.

/not really
 
2014-03-27 03:50:35 PM

raerae1980: TheShavingofOccam123: So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.

I watched the documentary on Netflix about twa flight 800 last night. Really interesting but made me feel like a conspiracy nut.


There's a BBC documentary on YouTube about Flight 990.

I haven't found one on Arrow Air.
 
2014-03-27 03:51:57 PM
I doubt it's the Malaysians that are holding anything back, they were rather forthcoming on the information in the first few days.

Likely, it's the U.S. that gave them a call and told them to shut up.
 
2014-03-27 03:53:15 PM
Ok, well, it seems perfectly normal for some information to be withheld during an investigation.  Everyone knows that.

But if this is some crucial piece of evidence that could have led to an end of this investigation sooner, there are two questions to ask:
1.  Why the hell are you telling us now?
2.  Seriously.  Why would you come out and say, "We have more evidence.  But we can't show it to you."?

Reminds me of Sheldon Cooper talking to Leonard.  "I have to tell you something.  But I can't tell you what it is."
 
2014-03-27 03:54:55 PM
I've missed most of these threads. Serious question though: Why in the hell don't black boxes deploy an airbag at the pressure of a couple atmospheres?
 
2014-03-27 03:55:39 PM
Next Malaysia will use the 'Chewbacca defense'.
 
2014-03-27 03:55:51 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


This.

When a plane crashes in america, the NTSB doesn't say a goddamn thing until the investigation is done.

For example, That news chopper crash last week?  Here is what the NTSB has said so far.  "The chopper got fuel, tried to take off, there was a noise, it spun counter clockwise, and fell to the ground."

Dollars to donuts it's a tail rotor failure (it's a textbook example of one), but the NTSB is not willing to say that until it's investigated all the wreckage. It will probably be a year before the NTSB says "yup. Tail rotor failed."  In the mean time, they haven't said, and will not say, anything you haven't heard on the news already.
 
2014-03-27 03:57:44 PM
Is anyone really sure this isn't Malaysia's reality version of Lost?
 
2014-03-27 03:58:46 PM
Yeah, If I'm ever killed coming back form anywhere in Asia, please seal my luggage, too. You don't want to know what I'm bringing back. Really.


What can be seen.... and all that.
 
2014-03-27 03:59:25 PM

fluffy2097: "The chopper got fuel, tried to take off, there was a noise, it spun counter clockwise, and fell to the ground."


Jesus nut?
 
2014-03-27 03:59:50 PM
I'm not saying it was aliens, but this guy makes me suspish.

cdn2.hubspot.net
 
2014-03-27 04:00:41 PM
FTFA:

Some family representatives targeted Malaysian envoy Iskandar Sarudin, asking him: "You expect us to accept a report you cannot defend?"

"No comment,'' said Mr Iskandar.


Malaysia and Indonesia share a border.

upload.wikimedia.org

Indonesia and Malaysia are both known for gamelan music.

Iscandar and Gamilon are located in the same star system.

Coincidences?  I THINK NOT!

The truth: MH370 was destroyed by the Comet Empire.  STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!
 
2014-03-27 04:02:30 PM

LazyMedia: MooseBayou: namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.

Those were asylum-seekers. There's probably never a flight from Asia to Europe that doesn't have some asylum-seeker aboard with false papers.


Yeah, I heard that story, too.  I intentionally left it out, because it was surmised that they were asylum-seekers.  I don't necessarily believe that.
 
2014-03-27 04:04:52 PM

Galloping Galoshes: ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.

The Russians did it to distract the Chinese while they roll their shock armies up to the Mongolian border.


Or it could have been an accident. There could have been a small short lived fire that knocked out one of the transponders and damaged the other one enough that it eventually failed. Although this fire was extinguished, it could have also ruptured the canisters that house the chemicals for the chemtrails. Because of the fire the pilot most likely would have set a course to turn around and land at the nearest airport to assess the damage, but he didn't know that the chemtrial containers were ruptured and was overcome by the chemicals before he could fully enter in the new flight plan into the flight computer causing the plane to fly off until it crashed. When they are diluted into the atmosphere those chemitrail chemicals will leave people susceptible to a suggestive state, but they aren't deadly. However in an undiluted form and in an enclosed space those things will cause unconsciousness and death in a matter of minutes.
 
2014-03-27 04:04:57 PM

durbnpoisn: LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]

Serious question.  Is that guy still alive?


As far as I know. His wiki's last update has him living in quiet obscurity in the UAE. The Arab satellite news networks drag him out for an interview every few years.
 
2014-03-27 04:06:10 PM

Lydia_C: Galloping Galoshes: Lydia_C: Although... If I were the head of a large PR firm, I might be thinking how to pitch my services to other Third World governments. "You don't want to look like those Malaysian yokels in front of the media, do you?"

The Malaysian government doesn't really care how it looks.  It's quite authoritarian, regardless of its parlimentary trappings.


Yeah, obviously they don't - I was thinking of other governments.


Actually, they do to an extent.  Elections are mostly free, although it helps if you can detain the opposition leader so he doesn't get to run (Anwar).  Public opinion has led to the government repealing of some of the nastier remnants of British Colonial law like the internal security act, used to suppress pro-clean election Bersihrallies.  The ruling party is very worried it won't continue to be the ruling party.  It was a shocker for them when they lost their 2/3 majority (back in 2008, I think) which allowed easy changes to the constitution.  The trend toward more openness is not their friend, although revenue from oil continues to be spent to keep most of the states in their pocket.
 
2014-03-27 04:07:17 PM

MooseBayou: LazyMedia: MooseBayou: namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.

Those were asylum-seekers. There's probably never a flight from Asia to Europe that doesn't have some asylum-seeker aboard with false papers.

Yeah, I heard that story, too.  I intentionally left it out, because it was surmised that they were asylum-seekers.  I don't necessarily believe that.


Why not? Because they're from Iran?
 
2014-03-27 04:07:18 PM

ongbok: Galloping Galoshes: ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.

The Russians did it to distract the Chinese while they roll their shock armies up to the Mongolian border.

Or it could have been an accident. There could have been a small short lived fire that knocked out one of the transponders and damaged the other one enough that it eventually failed. Although this fire was extinguished, it could have also ruptured the canisters that house the chemicals for the chemtrails. Because of the fire the pilot most likely would have set a course to turn around and land at the nearest airport to assess the damage, but he didn't know that the chemtrial containers were ruptured and was overcome by the chemicals before he could fully enter in the new flight plan into the flight computer causing the plane to fly off until it crashed. When they are diluted into the atmosphere those chemitrail chemicals will leave people susceptible to a suggestive state, but they aren't deadly. However in an undiluted form and in an enclosed space those things will cause unconsciousness and death in a matter of minutes.


Goddamn you.  I made it to the penultimate sentence before a "WTF am I reading?" alert went off in my head.

I've gotta stop reading the Politics tab.
 
2014-03-27 04:12:07 PM

ongbok: Galloping Galoshes: ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.

The Russians did it to distract the Chinese while they roll their shock armies up to the Mongolian border.

Or it could have been an accident. There could have been a small short lived fire that knocked out one of the transponders and damaged the other one enough that it eventually failed. Although this fire was extinguished, it could have also ruptured the canisters that house the chemicals for the chemtrails. Because of the fire the pilot most likely would have set a course to turn around and land at the nearest airport to assess the damage, but he didn't know that the chemtrial containers were ruptured and was overcome by the chemicals before he could fully enter in the new flight plan into the flight computer causing the plane to fly off until it crashed. When they are diluted into the atmosphere those chemitrail chemicals will leave people susceptible to a suggestive state, but they aren't deadly. However in an undiluted form and in an enclosed space those things will cause unconsciousness and death in a matter of minutes.


You have quite the imagination there, ongbok
 
2014-03-27 04:12:08 PM

MooseBayou: LazyMedia: MooseBayou: namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.

Those were asylum-seekers. There's probably never a flight from Asia to Europe that doesn't have some asylum-seeker aboard with false papers.

Yeah, I heard that story, too.  I intentionally left it out, because it was surmised that they were asylum-seekers.  I don't necessarily believe that.


Why not? Name one airplane suicide bombing incident involving Iranians. That's pretty much exclusively an al Qaeda tactic, and Iran is right at the top of al Qaeda's enemies list, particularly since their support of Assad in the Syrian civil war. On the other hand, there are about 24,000 Iranians granted asylum around the world every year. I'm going with the obvious, particularly since these two Iranians were investigated and found not to have terrorist ties and to have legit reasons to travel to Germany.
 
2014-03-27 04:13:19 PM

ongbok: When they are diluted into the atmosphere those chemitrail chemicals will leave people susceptible to a suggestive state, but they aren't deadly. However in an undiluted form and in an enclosed space those things will cause unconsciousness and death in a matter of minutes.


Not to mention, they burn hot enough to melt steel.
/not obscure
 
2014-03-27 04:15:25 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: raerae1980: TheShavingofOccam123: So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.

I watched the documentary on Netflix about twa flight 800 last night. Really interesting but made me feel like a conspiracy nut.

There's a BBC documentary on YouTube about Flight 990.

I haven't found one on Arrow Air.


Thanks, watching it now, but I think I've already seen it, lolol, I watched so many of these. I love Mayday. Can't wait for them to make an episode about this flight.
 
2014-03-27 04:19:09 PM
This sounds like a bribe solicitation more than anything.

And after seeing the quality of the evidence they *did* make public, I'd be surprised if anyone (other than cable news) shows interest.
 
2014-03-27 04:20:29 PM

raerae1980: TheShavingofOccam123: So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.

I watched the documentary on Netflix about twa flight 800 last night. Really interesting but made me feel like a conspiracy nut.


I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.
 
2014-03-27 04:21:08 PM

LazyMedia: MooseBayou: LazyMedia: MooseBayou: namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.

Those were asylum-seekers. There's probably never a flight from Asia to Europe that doesn't have some asylum-seeker aboard with false papers.

Yeah, I heard that story, too.  I intentionally left it out, because it was surmised that they were asylum-seekers.  I don't necessarily believe that.

Why not? Name one airplane suicide bombing incident involving Iranians. That's pretty much exclusively an al Qaeda tactic, and Iran is right at the top of al Qaeda's enemies list, particularly since their support of Assad in the Syrian civil war. On the other hand, there are about 24,000 Iranians granted asylum around the world every year. I'm going with the obvious, particularly since these two Iranians were investigated and found not to have terrorist ties and to have legit reasons to travel to Germany.


But dude.

They're Iranian!

That means...stuff. And things.

/if the two with stolen passports were Americans or from a Christian nation at least, no one would care about them
 
2014-03-27 04:21:12 PM

durbnpoisn: LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]

Serious question.  Is that guy still alive?


Sure is. Living in the UAE with his family. Apparently the US captured him but released him because there was no real point in keeping him when he didn't really do anything wrong.
 
2014-03-27 04:23:00 PM

Mr. Chainsaw: raerae1980: TheShavingofOccam123: So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.

I watched the documentary on Netflix about twa flight 800 last night. Really interesting but made me feel like a conspiracy nut.

I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.


Well, yea, especially after watching it, I do too.
 
2014-03-27 04:23:14 PM
You can't handle the truth!
 
2014-03-27 04:26:43 PM
Considering how crazy this story keeps getting I'm going to just work under the assumption it was aliens until someone can find the plane.
 
2014-03-27 04:27:35 PM

Shazam999: Zoolander should've killed the President Prime Minister of Malaysia.


www.transport01.com

OBEY MY DOG!
 
2014-03-27 04:28:18 PM
Has any terrorist group even tried to take credit for it yet?
 
2014-03-27 04:28:26 PM
So I've only seen it reported on right wing bloggity blogs, but was there ever any confirmation that his wife left him the dya before the flight and took their children with?

Pilot suicide sadly seems like a viable explanation at this point even if the above isn't true :|
 
2014-03-27 04:29:00 PM

OtherLittleGuy: LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]

Serious answer: Apparently, he's alive but living in obscurity.

FARK Answer: He regenerated:

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x351]


Ok, is that a kid wearing a uniform answering questions?  She looks 12.
 
2014-03-27 04:29:32 PM
It's obvious what they're covering up; the Malaysians had a copy of Obama's real birth certificate and were trying to move it to safer place but Obama found out and had the plane brought down where nobody would find it.
 
2014-03-27 04:30:48 PM
Either pilot suicide, which is very taboo in muslim-heavy countries. (See SilkAir 185 and EgyptAir 990) or something that was not supposed to be on the plane caused a fatal fire (South African Airways 295).
 
2014-03-27 04:32:39 PM

Stoker: It was an inside job just like 9/11.
They already know exactly what happened and are trying their damnedest to keep the truth from the light.


Did they deport any dancing Israeli's?
 
2014-03-27 04:33:08 PM

groppet: Has any terrorist group even tried to take credit for it yet?


Yes, I did it. There, I feel better. OK, I'm sorry too.
 
2014-03-27 04:36:02 PM
They were probably using a Stingray to capture cell phone data, so it's all under NDA.
 
2014-03-27 04:36:05 PM
It was almost certainly an electrical fire and crash. The government involved have made the most gigantic arse of the whole thing though.
 
2014-03-27 04:41:39 PM

gaspode: It was almost certainly an electrical fire and crash. The government involved have made the most gigantic arse of the whole thing though.


Oooh, you gonna get schooled on why that's impossible. Read up the thread.
 
2014-03-27 04:55:19 PM
Have they checked the Gymnasium?

dl.dropboxusercontent.com


/For shame, Desert Bluffs,  for shame.
 
2014-03-27 04:57:17 PM

ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.


I wouldn't go that far but, yeah, having a pro-democracy supporter as the central focus of the debacle allows the gov to smear the rest of the movement, through association.  Wheels within wheels in a watch with no hands..
 
2014-03-27 05:04:10 PM
as i understand it they've got next to no chance of ever finding the black box now
 
2014-03-27 05:06:29 PM

Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.


I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.
 
2014-03-27 05:07:35 PM

way south: Have they checked the Gymnasium?

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x637]


/For shame, Desert Bluffs,  for shame.


It crashed in the Dog Park.
 
2014-03-27 05:08:05 PM

LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]



The way he drinks after what he's been through, I bet he's tanked by now.
 
2014-03-27 05:11:43 PM

Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.


Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.
 
2014-03-27 05:11:51 PM
Just start mass producing tinfoil helmets instead of hats due to all the total conspiracy fuel that's been spewed out about this missing aircraft!
 
2014-03-27 05:12:35 PM
Pilot Suicide. You heard it here folks.
 
2014-03-27 05:12:42 PM
None of this would have happened if Malaysia wasn't in two places at once.

You shouldn't have equal sized land masses as your country, unless you are playing Civ4.

/wars and missing airplanes is how I learn about the world.
 
2014-03-27 05:13:05 PM
The plane landed at Nanming, according to air traffic control logs.
 
2014-03-27 05:13:33 PM

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


Well it could have been an Air Force missile.
 
2014-03-27 05:15:34 PM

groppet: Has any terrorist group even tried to take credit for it yet?


Almost certainly. Nutcases always come out of the woodwork.

/I was on the Grassy Knoll
/in my diapers
 
2014-03-27 05:17:49 PM
If a plane hits the ocean going fast enough, it will break up and a lot of stuff will float.

If not, the whole plane will float for some time before it sinks, and the various transponders and such would be likely going off.

So far, no one has delivered a single piece of physical evidence.  I remain skeptical.
 
2014-03-27 05:17:50 PM

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.
 
2014-03-27 05:18:14 PM

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


I never said anything about missiles. My skepticism comes from the supposed "wiring fault".
 
2014-03-27 05:20:03 PM
Is everyone ready to admit that all Malaysian people suck or are some of you still on that 'most of them are normal' thing?
 
2014-03-27 05:21:06 PM

RandomRandom: stevejovi: There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Fire has been completely debunked.

The plane made a number of turns directly to waypoints well after the transponders were disabled, well after reaching an airport at which they could have landed.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearan ce _chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

That alone is enough to disprove the fire theory, but there's more.   The on board computer was programmed with westward headings before the last voice signal was sent.

Average time from the start of a fire until hull burn through is 12 minutes.  Those in the know cannot fathom any way fire would destroy the two transponder systems, while allowing the maintenance satellite system and autopilot to continue running.  Sure, it's a remote possibility, but added to everything else, it reduces further the odds of fire.

When you rule out everything else, you have to accept the only remaining possibility.  Someone flew the plane towards its destination.  There were only two people on board who provably knew how to disable the on board transponders and program the navigation system.

That's why the Malaysians are being so cagey.  They don't want to admit they've found something damning about one of their pilots.


Oh, a blogger from Slate says it wasn't a fire? Well, then, silly me.
 
2014-03-27 05:21:07 PM
Isn't Malaysia 2/3 Muslim? They don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to passenger jets.
 
2014-03-27 05:21:28 PM
Create reason for copilot to leave the cockpit.  Put on personal oxygen tank mask.  Disable circuit breaker to cabin emergency oxygen lines.  Depressurize plane.  Wait 2 minutes.  Pressurize plane.  Turn on autopilot.  Go into back of plane and take pictures of yourself posing with each of the corpses, maybe playing a little dress up.  Wag your finger at corpse and act like you are angry with it.  That sort of thing.  Maybe a few pictures a la weekend at Bernie's style.  Upload all the pictures to your blog.  Drink all the alcohol on board.  Profit.
 
2014-03-27 05:23:00 PM

stevejovi: This is nothing more than a bunch of out-of-the-loop bureaucrats pulling something out of their arses to appease an angry group of bereaved relatives. Media blows it up into NSA shenanigans.

There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Sheesh.


So.. while there is a fire, and it makes the plane do a 180, why does the pilot not do one of these.

a> hey look, we are banking.
b> hey look, we are turning.
c> what are those lights doing beneath me, out here in the ocean?
d> what happened to the moon? It was in front of me 5 minutes ago.
 
2014-03-27 05:23:53 PM
i.ytimg.com

One of them "on a need to know basis" things is it.
 
2014-03-27 05:25:11 PM

Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.


Put on a pot of coffee.  Tinfoil hat optional.  A CIA pilot's perspective:
http://chiptatum.com/index.php/articles/14-bernt-carlsson-lockerbie- pa ssenger-or-target
 
2014-03-27 05:25:19 PM
 

Nutsac_Jim: So.. while there is a fire, and it makes the plane do a 180, why does the pilot not do one of these.

a> hey look, we are banking.
b> hey look, we are turning.
c> what are those lights doing beneath me, out here in the ocean?
d> what happened to the moon? It was in front of me 5 minutes ago.


 He does none of that bullshiat.   He is talking with the tower simply to know that the tower doesn't say
"hey Jimbo, why did you turn."
 
2014-03-27 05:26:07 PM

groppet: Has any terrorist group even tried to take credit for it yet?


A few law firms have sent ambulance chasers over there to harass the victims' families.

I mean, get justice for victims. MURICA!
 
2014-03-27 05:29:17 PM
 Most people dont want to commit suicide and kill 200+ other people

However, these can have an effect.

a> Your wife finds out you have a girlfriend and it is going to cost you 400k
b> Your girlfriend just called before your flight and dumped you, so you will have no money and no boobies to squeeze.
c> You're muslim pilot.
 
2014-03-27 05:31:30 PM

Parthenogenetic: Goddamn you. I made it to the penultimate sentence before a "WTF am I reading?" alert went off in my head.


I got as far as "chemtrails" before I knew he was just being festive.
 
2014-03-27 05:36:37 PM

NutWrench: Parthenogenetic: Goddamn you. I made it to the penultimate sentence before a "WTF am I reading?" alert went off in my head.

I got as far as "chemtrails" before I knew he was just being festive.


Maybe he's wrong, but nonetheless:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/chemtrails-manual-used-in-science -c ourse-at-air-force-academy/

FTA:  HR 2977  aka  the Space Preservation Act of 2001.  The word "Chemtrails" appears in the House Resolution and defined as an "Exotic Weapon"
 
2014-03-27 05:39:05 PM

trappedspirit: Create reason for copilot to leave the cockpit.  Put on personal oxygen tank mask.  Disable circuit breaker to cabin emergency oxygen lines.  Depressurize plane.  Wait 2 minutes.  Pressurize plane.  Turn on autopilot.  Go into back of plane and take pictures of yourself posing with each of the corpses, maybe playing a little dress up.  Wag your finger at corpse and act like you are angry with it.  That sort of thing.  Maybe a few pictures a la weekend at Bernie's style.  Upload all the pictures to your blog.  Drink all the alcohol on board.   Profit.

  Prophet.


It's a Muslim country, dammit.
 
2014-03-27 05:40:06 PM

raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.


No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and cause corrosion. The corrosion in the wire terminal assembly can cause arcing between the power pins and the pump case. The arcing causes thermal expansion of the materials inside the cap. This expansion causes failure of the cap attachment flange or the attaching screws and a subsequent fuel leak."


So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?
 
2014-03-27 05:40:11 PM
if the pilot faces Mecca, time to hit the deck-a
 
2014-03-27 05:40:29 PM

Parthenogenetic: The truth: MH370 was destroyed by the Comet Empire. STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!


They've just been sent on a 1 year mission to save Earth.  Its Top Secret so a panic doesn't break out.
 
2014-03-27 05:42:40 PM

sethen320: OtherLittleGuy: LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]

Serious answer: Apparently, he's alive but living in obscurity.

FARK Answer: He regenerated:

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x351]

Ok, is that a kid wearing a uniform answering questions?  She looks 12.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/crimeas-attorney-gener al -becomes-anime-star/
 
2014-03-27 05:45:44 PM

Parthenogenetic: FTFA:

The truth: MH370 was destroyed by the Comet Empire.  STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!


♫Searching for a distant star
Heading off to Iscandar
Leaving all we love behind
Who knows what dangers we'll find
We must be strong and brave
Our home we have to save
If we don't in just one year
Mother Earth will disappear
Fighting with the Gamalons
We won't stop until we've won
Then we'll return and when we arrive
The Earth will survive with our Star Blazers♫
 
2014-03-27 05:47:07 PM
Hey, Malaysia, just stop talking.
 
2014-03-27 05:52:52 PM
This makes perfect sense and is not in the least bit surprising.
That area is heavily monitored and nobody wants to give away their capabilities.
 
2014-03-27 05:54:16 PM

LazyMedia: So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?


I thought our super secret satellite system that is constantly scanning for light from bursts had ruled out an air explosion?
 
2014-03-27 06:00:31 PM

LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.

No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and cause corrosion. The corrosion in the wire terminal assembly can cause arcing between the power pins and the pump case. The arcing causes thermal expansion of the materials inside the cap. This expansion causes failure of the cap attachment flange or the attaching screws and a subsequent fuel leak."

So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?


Thanks for the information. I read the blog but it didn't convince me the documentary was wrong, just that they didn't agree with it. Ill look into the pdf file.
 
2014-03-27 06:00:43 PM

trappedspirit: LazyMedia: So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?

I thought our super secret satellite system that is constantly scanning for light from bursts had ruled out an air explosion?


The government cabal blew it up, and the Iluminati's drone spoofed the engine pinger over the indian ocean while Obama just cut a deal with the Pope over hiring out the special forces to convert Ukraine into a Catholic templar puppet state against the incursions from the co-opted Orthodox.
 
2014-03-27 06:04:25 PM

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


I'm going to take a wild guess that one of the pilots said something Muslim-y at some point - and they don't want to foster an ethnic stereotype (no matter how accurate it might be in this particular case).
 
2014-03-27 06:07:26 PM
Yeah, well your evidence is at the bottom of the drink now. Good luck getting it back.
 
2014-03-27 06:30:38 PM
CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.
 
2014-03-27 06:30:39 PM

LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.

No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and cause corro ...


First off jettison/override pumps aren't used in the center fuel tank.

try reading this, then get back to me :)

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf
2.3.1.8
and 2.3.1.9
 
2014-03-27 06:32:21 PM
Well this will make the conspiracy nuts go even nuttier now with the derp.

I was ready to go slap a reporter today, at work I was walking by one of the TVs they have on one of the news networks and at the bottom it said "BREAKING NEWS: BACKGROUND CHECKS INTO THE PILOTS AND CREW SHOW NOTHING" I just shook my head and walked away.
 
2014-03-27 06:38:21 PM

Mr. Oizo: CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.


Ha ha! You didn't wait for LEDs before you bought a flatscreen.
 
2014-03-27 06:44:34 PM
If you want to get to the bottom of this, you need to look at the facts.

1. The prime minister of Malaysia is involved.
2. Part of the political unrest in Malaysia could result in the implementation of strict child labor protections, leading to higher prices for clothing.
3. The pilot was a male model.
 
2014-03-27 06:45:38 PM

Yaw String: LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.

No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and ...


OK, so it wasn't the pump. What makes this so unlikely?

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the TWA flight 800 accident was an explosion of the center wing fuel tank (CWT), resulting from ignition of the flammable fuel/air mixture in the tank. The source of ignition energy for the explosion could not be determined with certainty, but, of the sources evaluated by the investigation, the most likely was a short circuit outside of the CWT that allowed excessive voltage to enter it through electrical wiring associated with the fuel quantity indication system. 
Contributing factors to the accident were the design and certification concept that fuel tank explosions could be prevented solely by precluding all ignition sources and the design and certification of the Boeing 747 with heat sources located beneath the CWT with no means to reduce the heat transferred into the CWT or to render the fuel vapor in the tank nonflammable.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:14 PM

Yaw String: LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.


I should clarify that there would be no reason for the jettison/override pumps to be turned on during this phase of flight with the center wing tank. They do exist.

But my point is covered in:

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf
2.3.1.8
and 2.3.1.9
 
2014-03-27 06:59:20 PM

Mr. Oizo: CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.


Don't watch CNN
 
2014-03-27 07:01:04 PM

LazyMedia: Yaw String: LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.


"OK, so it wasn't the pump. What makes this so unlikely?"


I have no doubt that the explosion did occur in the center fuel tank. I'm just not willing to point the finger at either the pumps or the fuel quantity sensing system without some evidence recovered from the wreckage that implicates that it was indeed either of these systems. As to other possible sources of ignition, I can't even speculate.
 
2014-03-27 07:06:46 PM

Yaw String: Next Malaysia will use the 'Chewbacca defense'.


Phuket is a damn cuss word in American.  It doesn't make any sense.
 
2014-03-27 07:16:20 PM

AndreMA: Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.


...or (likely in this case) lack thereof.
 
2014-03-27 07:43:58 PM

Mr. Oizo: CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.


That's their new motto. CNN: Breaking News.

/they're doing a fine job of it, too
 
2014-03-27 08:06:28 PM

RandomRandom: Mudd's woman: How long until the pingers run out of juice?

30 days, but they can only be heard 3 or 4 miles away, less if conditions are bad, and with thermals, maybe not all the way to the surface.

Even if they're functioning, the odds are of any search vessels getting close enough to listen within the next two weeks is low.



The batteries for the pinger runs out on April 7 and Malaysia said the locator device would not be arriving until April 5. Should have paid the extra for express post.

(Now why would I be thinking they don't want us to find it ever? Nothing suspicious in that at all.)

Would help if they made the damn things capable of sending out a signal to a satellite to give us a GPS instead of hoping someone has enough of an idea of where a plane crashed in the first place to be able to get within 3 or 4 miles.

Especially since this was a stealth plane that was able to go thousands of miles in the opposite direction to what was expected without anyone knowing until about a week later. Apparently. If we had that much of an idea of where it was that we could get within 3 or 4 miles, we'd have found it long before now, or whatever debris was left anyway.
 
2014-03-27 08:25:04 PM
LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom.

All seems great if you ignore...
... the trace of explosives found on the plane bits.
... the numerous eye witnesses who claimed to see something moving up to the plane.

So you buy into the fact that a plane (model) that has flown for decades suddenly show a catastrophic design flaw? That doesn't sound reasonable.
 
2014-03-27 08:40:35 PM

Mudd's woman: How long until the pingers run out of juice?


They're supposed to last about 30 days but they may have run out prematurely. Apparently, they weren't stored properly in Malaysia (hot, humid conditions) so the batteries may have deteriorated and died out quicker. So, I guess it's possible that the pinger locators have covered areas and wrongly concluded the plane isn't there.


WTFDYW: You have quite the imagination there, ongbok


Or, (s)he copied and pasted from the article comments.


raerae1980: Thanks, watching it now, but I think I've already seen it, lolol, I watched so many of these. I love Mayday. Can't wait for them to make an episode about this flight.


I've been thinking the same thing.
 
2014-03-27 08:43:59 PM

Nidiot: The batteries for the pinger runs out on April 7 and Malaysia said the locator device would not be arriving until April 5. Should have paid the extra for express post


Oops, I guess I figured they were already using it. There's just not much point now.
 
2014-03-27 08:49:43 PM
I had the lasagna.
 
2014-03-27 08:55:29 PM
Plane is now a JetBlue plane.
 
2014-03-27 09:09:02 PM

MooseBayou: CSB -

Reminds me a night when I was a tugboat dispatcher in Harvey, LA.  We had a tug, the M/V Venus, that caught fire, and burned to the hull.  (Funny thing about diesel fuel - it never exploded on any of our tug fires.)


That's because it's not explosive.  Rather a lot why the military likes it - you can have large amounts of it stored and the worst that will happen is that it burns.

/well, the WORST is if you have it in a sealed container and the container pops.

/well, the WORST WORST is if that happens and nobody puts it on Youtube, because a search for BLEVE is hours of entertainment
 
2014-03-27 09:16:55 PM

ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.


It was that operation all right, but you got the principals wrong.  The plane was remotely programmed by the oligarchical collusion of news sites, mainstream AND ALTERNATE which is why you never hear anything about it.

The method?  Hacked iPods.  They're THE MEDIA, remember?  They encrypted a backdoor into Top 40 music.  When they found the airplane flight with the most conspiracy-tastic series of conicidences, BAM!  They'll make billions stroking back and forth with the story for weeks as more facts get uncovered.

/i mean, MOST paranoid delusions are intricate, but this is BRILLIANT
 
2014-03-27 09:28:03 PM
I wonder, if they find the plane, will the passengers still be strapped in their seats, similar to those on airfrance flight 447? And will there be an attempt to bring them up to the surface?
 
2014-03-27 09:47:03 PM

raerae1980: I wonder, if they find the plane, will the passengers still be strapped in their seats, similar to those on airfrance flight 447? And will there be an attempt to bring them up to the surface?


I think that would depend on the depth of the wreckage.  If divers can not safely get there, then probably not.
 
2014-03-27 09:49:24 PM

noblewolf: raerae1980: I wonder, if they find the plane, will the passengers still be strapped in their seats, similar to those on airfrance flight 447? And will there be an attempt to bring them up to the surface?

I think that would depend on the depth of the wreckage.  If divers can not safely get there, then probably not.


Robots can do it. That's how they did it for airfrance and that was 2+ miles down.
 
2014-03-27 11:24:55 PM
Maybe they're blowing a seal.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-28 12:45:05 AM

dittybopper: It's all "sources familiar with investigations into the Boeing 777's disappearance." and "Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 "

You can't debunk anything based upon such weasily wording and unsourced statements.


Of course I can.

"Sources familiar with the investigation" is a typical label given to employees who don't want to get fired, or representatives of companies that don't want to piss off their customers.  Boeing for instance.

It's called off-the-record sourcing, It's a thing.  If it came from a low level employee, organizations like Reuters will typically have to confirm with a second source.

You may not like what they're saying, but it's not a "rumor".  Not even close to a rumor.  Reuters is not a hack organization.

Fire?  That's is a complete rumor, and one without any substance or basis in reality.

The waypoints prove it wasn't a fire.  Prove it.  More recently, they have independent confirmation of the waypoints from multiple radar sites.

There is a huge amount of other evidence arguing against a fire.  Here's some,

*The typical fuselage burn-through time for a cabin fire is 12 minutes.  12 minutes from start, to the plane falling apart.
*A fire taking out the two telemetry systems a pilot could disable, while ignoring the telemetry system a pilot could not easily disable, while also ignoring the auto pilot.  Oh, all while being severe enough to incapacitate the pilots.  It doesn't wash.
*It takes five seconds to call in a mayday over satcom.  Fire protocol calls for the pilot to put on O2 first.  They would have had time for a mayday.
*The plane was programmed to go west before the last voice communication.
*The telemetry systems were deactivated in a small dead zone between Malaysia and Vietnam, the perfect time to disable telemetry without being noticed.

These are professionals who have the data saying that it couldn't possibly have been a fire.  The plane was still being flown by a human, hours after the telemetry had been disabled.

What evidence do you have to support a theory of fire?  Yeah, I though so.

Fire has been completely debunked.  This talk of fire is reaching 9/11 Truther levels.  It wasn't a fire, it was most likely pilot suicide.

Why wouldn't the suicidal pilot just dive into the sea immediately?  Some pilots have suggested he was waiting for the cockpit voice recorder to loop.  It records for 2 hours, then loops.  Were he to dive into the sea, the CVR would be found, he would be implicated, his family wouldn't get the insurance, and he would be labeled a mass murderer.

With 2 hours of blank recording on the unit, it could be extremely difficult to prove which of the pilots murdered the passengers, even if the plane is ever found.

Has this ever happened before?  Yes it has.  The pilot of Silk Air 185 disabled the cockpit voice recorder before diving into the sea at the speed of sound.  He didn't want to be implicated as the murderous pilot.
 
2014-03-28 03:07:55 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

better brush up on your facts there, johnny.

"crashed into the sea."...indeed.

lol.
 
2014-03-28 06:25:23 AM

Bauer: "crashed into the sea."...indeed.


Wow, you really got me.  It crashed into a river, not a sea.  And that changes things how?

The point is, neither flight was brought down by a fire.  Both seem to have been pilot suicides.

In both cases, the pilots seem to have taken extraordinary measures to prevent investigators from determining that they were the responsible party.

/There is no way this was caused by fire
 
2014-03-28 07:20:07 AM

burncheese: Nidiot: The batteries for the pinger runs out on April 7 and Malaysia said the locator device would not be arriving until April 5. Should have paid the extra for express post

Oops, I guess I figured they were already using it. There's just not much point now.


A week to get the locator device to the area makes it obvious like they really aren't trying. Fly the damn thing on a private jet if you have to, just get it to the nearest available vessel that can get to the site at the first opportunity.
 
2014-03-28 11:10:41 AM
Too many obviously intelligent actions, post and prior, for this to have been an accident..  Nothing will be solved until the 'black boxes' are recovered..I refuse to buy into any of the current speculation..  If nothing is ever found..well, I guess I'll never know and, y'know what..?  Sometimes a mystery stays a mystery..I'm okay with that..

THIS, on the other hand..

LazyMedia: Ha ha! You didn't wait for LEDs before you bought a flatscreen.


Just bought a 52" Plasma and couldn't be happier with it..

The *only* two things LED/LCD have over it are:  1)  Power consumption   2)  Available sizes

Since this new TV uses 22% *less* wattage than the 27" CRT it's replacing, #1 is irrelevant and a win for me.  And since 52" is exactly what we were looking for..no bigger, for where it sits and definitely no smaller wanted..#2 is irrelevant, too..

Plasma beats your LED/LCD handily on refresh rate/glare reduction/side visibility/screen life/color depth and contrast..  Yes, LED/LCD can get screen-burn too..if you're a moran who can't use your toys properly..  Oh, and cheaper cost for greater benefit (within the very unimportant constraints I already mentioned..)..

/rant off
//prayers for those lost and condolences for their families and friends..
///those 'black boxes' don't hold all that much data..not the whole flight time..I hope they are found, and hold enuff..
 
2014-03-28 01:50:12 PM

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: Too many obviously intelligent actions, post and prior, for this to have been an accident..  Nothing will be solved until the 'black boxes' are recovered..I refuse to buy into any of the current speculation..  If nothing is ever found..well, I guess I'll never know and, y'know what..?  Sometimes a mystery stays a mystery..I'm okay with that..

THIS, on the other hand..

LazyMedia: Ha ha! You didn't wait for LEDs before you bought a flatscreen.

Just bought a 52" Plasma and couldn't be happier with it..

The *only* two things LED/LCD have over it are:  1)  Power consumption   2)  Available sizes

Since this new TV uses 22% *less* wattage than the 27" CRT it's replacing, #1 is irrelevant and a win for me.  And since 52" is exactly what we were looking for..no bigger, for where it sits and definitely no smaller wanted..#2 is irrelevant, too..

Plasma beats your LED/LCD handily on refresh rate/glare reduction/side visibility/screen life/color depth and contrast..  Yes, LED/LCD can get screen-burn too..if you're a moran who can't use your toys properly..  Oh, and cheaper cost for greater benefit (within the very unimportant constraints I already mentioned..)..

/rant off
//prayers for those lost and condolences for their families and friends..
///those 'black boxes' don't hold all that much data..not the whole flight time..I hope they are found, and hold enuff..


And here I was all proud of my WalMart $99 color TV, that is the first I ever bought new. In 50 years.
 
2014-03-28 06:38:33 PM
 
2014-03-28 11:07:23 PM

clkeagle: Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.


It will be bizarre only if US media acts surprised or incredulous.  This is standard practice for investigations.
 
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