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(Straits Times)   In a move that no one should have a problem with, Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public   (straitstimes.com) divider line 182
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2014-03-27 06:30:38 PM  
CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.
 
2014-03-27 06:30:39 PM  

LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.

No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and cause corro ...


First off jettison/override pumps aren't used in the center fuel tank.

try reading this, then get back to me :)

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf
2.3.1.8
and 2.3.1.9
 
2014-03-27 06:32:21 PM  
Well this will make the conspiracy nuts go even nuttier now with the derp.

I was ready to go slap a reporter today, at work I was walking by one of the TVs they have on one of the news networks and at the bottom it said "BREAKING NEWS: BACKGROUND CHECKS INTO THE PILOTS AND CREW SHOW NOTHING" I just shook my head and walked away.
 
2014-03-27 06:38:21 PM  

Mr. Oizo: CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.


Ha ha! You didn't wait for LEDs before you bought a flatscreen.
 
2014-03-27 06:44:34 PM  
If you want to get to the bottom of this, you need to look at the facts.

1. The prime minister of Malaysia is involved.
2. Part of the political unrest in Malaysia could result in the implementation of strict child labor protections, leading to higher prices for clothing.
3. The pilot was a male model.
 
2014-03-27 06:45:38 PM  

Yaw String: LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.

No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and ...


OK, so it wasn't the pump. What makes this so unlikely?

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the TWA flight 800 accident was an explosion of the center wing fuel tank (CWT), resulting from ignition of the flammable fuel/air mixture in the tank. The source of ignition energy for the explosion could not be determined with certainty, but, of the sources evaluated by the investigation, the most likely was a short circuit outside of the CWT that allowed excessive voltage to enter it through electrical wiring associated with the fuel quantity indication system. 
Contributing factors to the accident were the design and certification concept that fuel tank explosions could be prevented solely by precluding all ignition sources and the design and certification of the Boeing 747 with heat sources located beneath the CWT with no means to reduce the heat transferred into the CWT or to render the fuel vapor in the tank nonflammable.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:14 PM  

Yaw String: LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.


I should clarify that there would be no reason for the jettison/override pumps to be turned on during this phase of flight with the center wing tank. They do exist.

But my point is covered in:

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf
2.3.1.8
and 2.3.1.9
 
2014-03-27 06:59:20 PM  

Mr. Oizo: CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.


Don't watch CNN
 
2014-03-27 07:01:04 PM  

LazyMedia: Yaw String: LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.


"OK, so it wasn't the pump. What makes this so unlikely?"


I have no doubt that the explosion did occur in the center fuel tank. I'm just not willing to point the finger at either the pumps or the fuel quantity sensing system without some evidence recovered from the wreckage that implicates that it was indeed either of these systems. As to other possible sources of ignition, I can't even speculate.
 
2014-03-27 07:06:46 PM  

Yaw String: Next Malaysia will use the 'Chewbacca defense'.


Phuket is a damn cuss word in American.  It doesn't make any sense.
 
2014-03-27 07:16:20 PM  

AndreMA: Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.


...or (likely in this case) lack thereof.
 
2014-03-27 07:43:58 PM  

Mr. Oizo: CNN has had their 'breaking news' subtitle up continually for weeks now, even when there is nothing new to report. I'm going to get "breaking news" burnt-in to my plasma TV.


That's their new motto. CNN: Breaking News.

/they're doing a fine job of it, too
 
2014-03-27 08:06:28 PM  

RandomRandom: Mudd's woman: How long until the pingers run out of juice?

30 days, but they can only be heard 3 or 4 miles away, less if conditions are bad, and with thermals, maybe not all the way to the surface.

Even if they're functioning, the odds are of any search vessels getting close enough to listen within the next two weeks is low.



The batteries for the pinger runs out on April 7 and Malaysia said the locator device would not be arriving until April 5. Should have paid the extra for express post.

(Now why would I be thinking they don't want us to find it ever? Nothing suspicious in that at all.)

Would help if they made the damn things capable of sending out a signal to a satellite to give us a GPS instead of hoping someone has enough of an idea of where a plane crashed in the first place to be able to get within 3 or 4 miles.

Especially since this was a stealth plane that was able to go thousands of miles in the opposite direction to what was expected without anyone knowing until about a week later. Apparently. If we had that much of an idea of where it was that we could get within 3 or 4 miles, we'd have found it long before now, or whatever debris was left anyway.
 
2014-03-27 08:25:04 PM  
LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom.

All seems great if you ignore...
... the trace of explosives found on the plane bits.
... the numerous eye witnesses who claimed to see something moving up to the plane.

So you buy into the fact that a plane (model) that has flown for decades suddenly show a catastrophic design flaw? That doesn't sound reasonable.
 
2014-03-27 08:40:35 PM  

Mudd's woman: How long until the pingers run out of juice?


They're supposed to last about 30 days but they may have run out prematurely. Apparently, they weren't stored properly in Malaysia (hot, humid conditions) so the batteries may have deteriorated and died out quicker. So, I guess it's possible that the pinger locators have covered areas and wrongly concluded the plane isn't there.


WTFDYW: You have quite the imagination there, ongbok


Or, (s)he copied and pasted from the article comments.


raerae1980: Thanks, watching it now, but I think I've already seen it, lolol, I watched so many of these. I love Mayday. Can't wait for them to make an episode about this flight.


I've been thinking the same thing.
 
2014-03-27 08:43:59 PM  

Nidiot: The batteries for the pinger runs out on April 7 and Malaysia said the locator device would not be arriving until April 5. Should have paid the extra for express post


Oops, I guess I figured they were already using it. There's just not much point now.
 
2014-03-27 08:49:43 PM  
I had the lasagna.
 
2014-03-27 08:55:29 PM  
Plane is now a JetBlue plane.
 
2014-03-27 09:09:02 PM  

MooseBayou: CSB -

Reminds me a night when I was a tugboat dispatcher in Harvey, LA.  We had a tug, the M/V Venus, that caught fire, and burned to the hull.  (Funny thing about diesel fuel - it never exploded on any of our tug fires.)


That's because it's not explosive.  Rather a lot why the military likes it - you can have large amounts of it stored and the worst that will happen is that it burns.

/well, the WORST is if you have it in a sealed container and the container pops.

/well, the WORST WORST is if that happens and nobody puts it on Youtube, because a search for BLEVE is hours of entertainment
 
2014-03-27 09:16:55 PM  

ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.


It was that operation all right, but you got the principals wrong.  The plane was remotely programmed by the oligarchical collusion of news sites, mainstream AND ALTERNATE which is why you never hear anything about it.

The method?  Hacked iPods.  They're THE MEDIA, remember?  They encrypted a backdoor into Top 40 music.  When they found the airplane flight with the most conspiracy-tastic series of conicidences, BAM!  They'll make billions stroking back and forth with the story for weeks as more facts get uncovered.

/i mean, MOST paranoid delusions are intricate, but this is BRILLIANT
 
2014-03-27 09:28:03 PM  
I wonder, if they find the plane, will the passengers still be strapped in their seats, similar to those on airfrance flight 447? And will there be an attempt to bring them up to the surface?
 
2014-03-27 09:47:03 PM  

raerae1980: I wonder, if they find the plane, will the passengers still be strapped in their seats, similar to those on airfrance flight 447? And will there be an attempt to bring them up to the surface?


I think that would depend on the depth of the wreckage.  If divers can not safely get there, then probably not.
 
2014-03-27 09:49:24 PM  

noblewolf: raerae1980: I wonder, if they find the plane, will the passengers still be strapped in their seats, similar to those on airfrance flight 447? And will there be an attempt to bring them up to the surface?

I think that would depend on the depth of the wreckage.  If divers can not safely get there, then probably not.


Robots can do it. That's how they did it for airfrance and that was 2+ miles down.
 
2014-03-27 11:24:55 PM  
Maybe they're blowing a seal.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-28 12:45:05 AM  

dittybopper: It's all "sources familiar with investigations into the Boeing 777's disappearance." and "Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 "

You can't debunk anything based upon such weasily wording and unsourced statements.


Of course I can.

"Sources familiar with the investigation" is a typical label given to employees who don't want to get fired, or representatives of companies that don't want to piss off their customers.  Boeing for instance.

It's called off-the-record sourcing, It's a thing.  If it came from a low level employee, organizations like Reuters will typically have to confirm with a second source.

You may not like what they're saying, but it's not a "rumor".  Not even close to a rumor.  Reuters is not a hack organization.

Fire?  That's is a complete rumor, and one without any substance or basis in reality.

The waypoints prove it wasn't a fire.  Prove it.  More recently, they have independent confirmation of the waypoints from multiple radar sites.

There is a huge amount of other evidence arguing against a fire.  Here's some,

*The typical fuselage burn-through time for a cabin fire is 12 minutes.  12 minutes from start, to the plane falling apart.
*A fire taking out the two telemetry systems a pilot could disable, while ignoring the telemetry system a pilot could not easily disable, while also ignoring the auto pilot.  Oh, all while being severe enough to incapacitate the pilots.  It doesn't wash.
*It takes five seconds to call in a mayday over satcom.  Fire protocol calls for the pilot to put on O2 first.  They would have had time for a mayday.
*The plane was programmed to go west before the last voice communication.
*The telemetry systems were deactivated in a small dead zone between Malaysia and Vietnam, the perfect time to disable telemetry without being noticed.

These are professionals who have the data saying that it couldn't possibly have been a fire.  The plane was still being flown by a human, hours after the telemetry had been disabled.

What evidence do you have to support a theory of fire?  Yeah, I though so.

Fire has been completely debunked.  This talk of fire is reaching 9/11 Truther levels.  It wasn't a fire, it was most likely pilot suicide.

Why wouldn't the suicidal pilot just dive into the sea immediately?  Some pilots have suggested he was waiting for the cockpit voice recorder to loop.  It records for 2 hours, then loops.  Were he to dive into the sea, the CVR would be found, he would be implicated, his family wouldn't get the insurance, and he would be labeled a mass murderer.

With 2 hours of blank recording on the unit, it could be extremely difficult to prove which of the pilots murdered the passengers, even if the plane is ever found.

Has this ever happened before?  Yes it has.  The pilot of Silk Air 185 disabled the cockpit voice recorder before diving into the sea at the speed of sound.  He didn't want to be implicated as the murderous pilot.
 
2014-03-28 03:07:55 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

better brush up on your facts there, johnny.

"crashed into the sea."...indeed.

lol.
 
2014-03-28 06:25:23 AM  

Bauer: "crashed into the sea."...indeed.


Wow, you really got me.  It crashed into a river, not a sea.  And that changes things how?

The point is, neither flight was brought down by a fire.  Both seem to have been pilot suicides.

In both cases, the pilots seem to have taken extraordinary measures to prevent investigators from determining that they were the responsible party.

/There is no way this was caused by fire
 
2014-03-28 07:20:07 AM  

burncheese: Nidiot: The batteries for the pinger runs out on April 7 and Malaysia said the locator device would not be arriving until April 5. Should have paid the extra for express post

Oops, I guess I figured they were already using it. There's just not much point now.


A week to get the locator device to the area makes it obvious like they really aren't trying. Fly the damn thing on a private jet if you have to, just get it to the nearest available vessel that can get to the site at the first opportunity.
 
2014-03-28 11:10:41 AM  
Too many obviously intelligent actions, post and prior, for this to have been an accident..  Nothing will be solved until the 'black boxes' are recovered..I refuse to buy into any of the current speculation..  If nothing is ever found..well, I guess I'll never know and, y'know what..?  Sometimes a mystery stays a mystery..I'm okay with that..

THIS, on the other hand..

LazyMedia: Ha ha! You didn't wait for LEDs before you bought a flatscreen.


Just bought a 52" Plasma and couldn't be happier with it..

The *only* two things LED/LCD have over it are:  1)  Power consumption   2)  Available sizes

Since this new TV uses 22% *less* wattage than the 27" CRT it's replacing, #1 is irrelevant and a win for me.  And since 52" is exactly what we were looking for..no bigger, for where it sits and definitely no smaller wanted..#2 is irrelevant, too..

Plasma beats your LED/LCD handily on refresh rate/glare reduction/side visibility/screen life/color depth and contrast..  Yes, LED/LCD can get screen-burn too..if you're a moran who can't use your toys properly..  Oh, and cheaper cost for greater benefit (within the very unimportant constraints I already mentioned..)..

/rant off
//prayers for those lost and condolences for their families and friends..
///those 'black boxes' don't hold all that much data..not the whole flight time..I hope they are found, and hold enuff..
 
2014-03-28 01:50:12 PM  

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: Too many obviously intelligent actions, post and prior, for this to have been an accident..  Nothing will be solved until the 'black boxes' are recovered..I refuse to buy into any of the current speculation..  If nothing is ever found..well, I guess I'll never know and, y'know what..?  Sometimes a mystery stays a mystery..I'm okay with that..

THIS, on the other hand..

LazyMedia: Ha ha! You didn't wait for LEDs before you bought a flatscreen.

Just bought a 52" Plasma and couldn't be happier with it..

The *only* two things LED/LCD have over it are:  1)  Power consumption   2)  Available sizes

Since this new TV uses 22% *less* wattage than the 27" CRT it's replacing, #1 is irrelevant and a win for me.  And since 52" is exactly what we were looking for..no bigger, for where it sits and definitely no smaller wanted..#2 is irrelevant, too..

Plasma beats your LED/LCD handily on refresh rate/glare reduction/side visibility/screen life/color depth and contrast..  Yes, LED/LCD can get screen-burn too..if you're a moran who can't use your toys properly..  Oh, and cheaper cost for greater benefit (within the very unimportant constraints I already mentioned..)..

/rant off
//prayers for those lost and condolences for their families and friends..
///those 'black boxes' don't hold all that much data..not the whole flight time..I hope they are found, and hold enuff..


And here I was all proud of my WalMart $99 color TV, that is the first I ever bought new. In 50 years.
 
2014-03-28 06:38:33 PM  
 
2014-03-28 11:07:23 PM  

clkeagle: Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.


It will be bizarre only if US media acts surprised or incredulous.  This is standard practice for investigations.
 
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