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(Straits Times)   In a move that no one should have a problem with, Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public   (straitstimes.com) divider line 182
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2014-03-27 04:28:26 PM
So I've only seen it reported on right wing bloggity blogs, but was there ever any confirmation that his wife left him the dya before the flight and took their children with?

Pilot suicide sadly seems like a viable explanation at this point even if the above isn't true :|
 
2014-03-27 04:29:00 PM

OtherLittleGuy: LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]

Serious answer: Apparently, he's alive but living in obscurity.

FARK Answer: He regenerated:

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x351]


Ok, is that a kid wearing a uniform answering questions?  She looks 12.
 
2014-03-27 04:29:32 PM
It's obvious what they're covering up; the Malaysians had a copy of Obama's real birth certificate and were trying to move it to safer place but Obama found out and had the plane brought down where nobody would find it.
 
2014-03-27 04:30:48 PM
Either pilot suicide, which is very taboo in muslim-heavy countries. (See SilkAir 185 and EgyptAir 990) or something that was not supposed to be on the plane caused a fatal fire (South African Airways 295).
 
2014-03-27 04:32:39 PM

Stoker: It was an inside job just like 9/11.
They already know exactly what happened and are trying their damnedest to keep the truth from the light.


Did they deport any dancing Israeli's?
 
2014-03-27 04:33:08 PM

groppet: Has any terrorist group even tried to take credit for it yet?


Yes, I did it. There, I feel better. OK, I'm sorry too.
 
2014-03-27 04:36:02 PM
They were probably using a Stingray to capture cell phone data, so it's all under NDA.
 
2014-03-27 04:36:05 PM
It was almost certainly an electrical fire and crash. The government involved have made the most gigantic arse of the whole thing though.
 
2014-03-27 04:41:39 PM

gaspode: It was almost certainly an electrical fire and crash. The government involved have made the most gigantic arse of the whole thing though.


Oooh, you gonna get schooled on why that's impossible. Read up the thread.
 
2014-03-27 04:55:19 PM
Have they checked the Gymnasium?

dl.dropboxusercontent.com


/For shame, Desert Bluffs,  for shame.
 
2014-03-27 04:57:17 PM

ongbok: One of the pilot's was a major outspoken supporter of the Democratic party opposed to the current government. Maybe this was an operation by the government to remotely program the plane to climb to an altitude that would kill everybody on board, then fly out to a heading where it could crash into a remote area of the ocean so they could blame it on the pilot and discredit the opposition party.

I mean while we are tossing around conspiracies.


I wouldn't go that far but, yeah, having a pro-democracy supporter as the central focus of the debacle allows the gov to smear the rest of the movement, through association.  Wheels within wheels in a watch with no hands..
 
2014-03-27 05:04:10 PM
as i understand it they've got next to no chance of ever finding the black box now
 
2014-03-27 05:06:29 PM

Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.


I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.
 
2014-03-27 05:07:35 PM

way south: Have they checked the Gymnasium?

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x637]


/For shame, Desert Bluffs,  for shame.


It crashed in the Dog Park.
 
2014-03-27 05:08:05 PM

LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]



The way he drinks after what he's been through, I bet he's tanked by now.
 
2014-03-27 05:11:43 PM

Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.


Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.
 
2014-03-27 05:11:51 PM
Just start mass producing tinfoil helmets instead of hats due to all the total conspiracy fuel that's been spewed out about this missing aircraft!
 
2014-03-27 05:12:35 PM
Pilot Suicide. You heard it here folks.
 
2014-03-27 05:12:42 PM
None of this would have happened if Malaysia wasn't in two places at once.

You shouldn't have equal sized land masses as your country, unless you are playing Civ4.

/wars and missing airplanes is how I learn about the world.
 
2014-03-27 05:13:05 PM
The plane landed at Nanming, according to air traffic control logs.
 
2014-03-27 05:13:33 PM

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


Well it could have been an Air Force missile.
 
2014-03-27 05:15:34 PM

groppet: Has any terrorist group even tried to take credit for it yet?


Almost certainly. Nutcases always come out of the woodwork.

/I was on the Grassy Knoll
/in my diapers
 
2014-03-27 05:17:49 PM
If a plane hits the ocean going fast enough, it will break up and a lot of stuff will float.

If not, the whole plane will float for some time before it sinks, and the various transponders and such would be likely going off.

So far, no one has delivered a single piece of physical evidence.  I remain skeptical.
 
2014-03-27 05:17:50 PM

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.
 
2014-03-27 05:18:14 PM

LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.


I never said anything about missiles. My skepticism comes from the supposed "wiring fault".
 
2014-03-27 05:20:03 PM
Is everyone ready to admit that all Malaysian people suck or are some of you still on that 'most of them are normal' thing?
 
2014-03-27 05:21:06 PM

RandomRandom: stevejovi: There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Fire has been completely debunked.

The plane made a number of turns directly to waypoints well after the transponders were disabled, well after reaching an airport at which they could have landed.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearan ce _chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

That alone is enough to disprove the fire theory, but there's more.   The on board computer was programmed with westward headings before the last voice signal was sent.

Average time from the start of a fire until hull burn through is 12 minutes.  Those in the know cannot fathom any way fire would destroy the two transponder systems, while allowing the maintenance satellite system and autopilot to continue running.  Sure, it's a remote possibility, but added to everything else, it reduces further the odds of fire.

When you rule out everything else, you have to accept the only remaining possibility.  Someone flew the plane towards its destination.  There were only two people on board who provably knew how to disable the on board transponders and program the navigation system.

That's why the Malaysians are being so cagey.  They don't want to admit they've found something damning about one of their pilots.


Oh, a blogger from Slate says it wasn't a fire? Well, then, silly me.
 
2014-03-27 05:21:07 PM
Isn't Malaysia 2/3 Muslim? They don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to passenger jets.
 
2014-03-27 05:21:28 PM
Create reason for copilot to leave the cockpit.  Put on personal oxygen tank mask.  Disable circuit breaker to cabin emergency oxygen lines.  Depressurize plane.  Wait 2 minutes.  Pressurize plane.  Turn on autopilot.  Go into back of plane and take pictures of yourself posing with each of the corpses, maybe playing a little dress up.  Wag your finger at corpse and act like you are angry with it.  That sort of thing.  Maybe a few pictures a la weekend at Bernie's style.  Upload all the pictures to your blog.  Drink all the alcohol on board.  Profit.
 
2014-03-27 05:23:00 PM

stevejovi: This is nothing more than a bunch of out-of-the-loop bureaucrats pulling something out of their arses to appease an angry group of bereaved relatives. Media blows it up into NSA shenanigans.

There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Sheesh.


So.. while there is a fire, and it makes the plane do a 180, why does the pilot not do one of these.

a> hey look, we are banking.
b> hey look, we are turning.
c> what are those lights doing beneath me, out here in the ocean?
d> what happened to the moon? It was in front of me 5 minutes ago.
 
2014-03-27 05:23:53 PM
i.ytimg.com

One of them "on a need to know basis" things is it.
 
2014-03-27 05:25:11 PM

Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.


Put on a pot of coffee.  Tinfoil hat optional.  A CIA pilot's perspective:
http://chiptatum.com/index.php/articles/14-bernt-carlsson-lockerbie- pa ssenger-or-target
 
2014-03-27 05:25:19 PM
 

Nutsac_Jim: So.. while there is a fire, and it makes the plane do a 180, why does the pilot not do one of these.

a> hey look, we are banking.
b> hey look, we are turning.
c> what are those lights doing beneath me, out here in the ocean?
d> what happened to the moon? It was in front of me 5 minutes ago.


 He does none of that bullshiat.   He is talking with the tower simply to know that the tower doesn't say
"hey Jimbo, why did you turn."
 
2014-03-27 05:26:07 PM

groppet: Has any terrorist group even tried to take credit for it yet?


A few law firms have sent ambulance chasers over there to harass the victims' families.

I mean, get justice for victims. MURICA!
 
2014-03-27 05:29:17 PM
 Most people dont want to commit suicide and kill 200+ other people

However, these can have an effect.

a> Your wife finds out you have a girlfriend and it is going to cost you 400k
b> Your girlfriend just called before your flight and dumped you, so you will have no money and no boobies to squeeze.
c> You're muslim pilot.
 
2014-03-27 05:31:30 PM

Parthenogenetic: Goddamn you. I made it to the penultimate sentence before a "WTF am I reading?" alert went off in my head.


I got as far as "chemtrails" before I knew he was just being festive.
 
2014-03-27 05:36:37 PM

NutWrench: Parthenogenetic: Goddamn you. I made it to the penultimate sentence before a "WTF am I reading?" alert went off in my head.

I got as far as "chemtrails" before I knew he was just being festive.


Maybe he's wrong, but nonetheless:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/chemtrails-manual-used-in-science -c ourse-at-air-force-academy/

FTA:  HR 2977  aka  the Space Preservation Act of 2001.  The word "Chemtrails" appears in the House Resolution and defined as an "Exotic Weapon"
 
2014-03-27 05:39:05 PM

trappedspirit: Create reason for copilot to leave the cockpit.  Put on personal oxygen tank mask.  Disable circuit breaker to cabin emergency oxygen lines.  Depressurize plane.  Wait 2 minutes.  Pressurize plane.  Turn on autopilot.  Go into back of plane and take pictures of yourself posing with each of the corpses, maybe playing a little dress up.  Wag your finger at corpse and act like you are angry with it.  That sort of thing.  Maybe a few pictures a la weekend at Bernie's style.  Upload all the pictures to your blog.  Drink all the alcohol on board.   Profit.

  Prophet.


It's a Muslim country, dammit.
 
2014-03-27 05:40:06 PM

raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.


No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and cause corrosion. The corrosion in the wire terminal assembly can cause arcing between the power pins and the pump case. The arcing causes thermal expansion of the materials inside the cap. This expansion causes failure of the cap attachment flange or the attaching screws and a subsequent fuel leak."


So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?
 
2014-03-27 05:40:11 PM
if the pilot faces Mecca, time to hit the deck-a
 
2014-03-27 05:40:29 PM

Parthenogenetic: The truth: MH370 was destroyed by the Comet Empire. STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!


They've just been sent on a 1 year mission to save Earth.  Its Top Secret so a panic doesn't break out.
 
2014-03-27 05:42:40 PM

sethen320: OtherLittleGuy: LazyMedia: You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

[www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com image 300x225]

Serious answer: Apparently, he's alive but living in obscurity.

FARK Answer: He regenerated:

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x351]

Ok, is that a kid wearing a uniform answering questions?  She looks 12.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/crimeas-attorney-gener al -becomes-anime-star/
 
2014-03-27 05:45:44 PM

Parthenogenetic: FTFA:

The truth: MH370 was destroyed by the Comet Empire.  STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!


♫Searching for a distant star
Heading off to Iscandar
Leaving all we love behind
Who knows what dangers we'll find
We must be strong and brave
Our home we have to save
If we don't in just one year
Mother Earth will disappear
Fighting with the Gamalons
We won't stop until we've won
Then we'll return and when we arrive
The Earth will survive with our Star Blazers♫
 
2014-03-27 05:47:07 PM
Hey, Malaysia, just stop talking.
 
2014-03-27 05:52:52 PM
This makes perfect sense and is not in the least bit surprising.
That area is heavily monitored and nobody wants to give away their capabilities.
 
2014-03-27 05:54:16 PM

LazyMedia: So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?


I thought our super secret satellite system that is constantly scanning for light from bursts had ruled out an air explosion?
 
2014-03-27 06:00:31 PM

LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Yaw String: Mr. Chainsaw: I don't care if it makes me seem like a nut, I think the official story about TWA 800 is bullsh*t.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy (who also happens to be 9000+ hour jet captain) and I too think TWA 800's "explanation" is bullsh*t.

Why? It seems pretty reasonable, and fits the evidence. Wiring fault, fire, explosion, boom. They found most the plane, they can see where the fire happened. What's complete bullshiat is the loony idea that you could shoot it down with a Navy missile and keep that under wraps.

I think you should watch the documentary about it. Investigators stated they found no evidence that would lead them to think faulty wiring caused it. Evidence tags were changed, FBI threatened eyewitnesses...all very shady. Watch the documentary.

No, thanks. Way too many documentaries out there that make crap up to juice up the story. That one's been fairly thoroughly debunked, btw. Typical conspiracy theory bs -- play up any inconsistencies in the investigative findings, or invent some, while not bothering at all with the ridiculousness of your own theories. Three missiles? NTSB is conspiring with the FBI to cover it all up, meanwhile fooling five other countries involved in the investigation. FFS.

Here's what investigators actually said about it: You can take the documentary's points by point and I'm fairly certain you'll find the actual answers here.

"On August 3, 1995, Boeing issued ASB 747-28-A2194, Fuel-Distribution-Fuel Boost and Override/Jettison Pumps-Inspection. The ASB stated that operators had removed eight fuel pumps from service that had fuel leaks at the pump/wire bundle interface and recommended that all operators test the resistance on each 747 boost and
jettison/override pump at the next opportunity, replacing those that did not pass the insulation check. The SB stated the following: after a long time, water can get inside the potting of the wire terminal assembly and cause corrosion. The corrosion in the wire terminal assembly can cause arcing between the power pins and the pump case. The arcing causes thermal expansion of the materials inside the cap. This expansion causes failure of the cap attachment flange or the attaching screws and a subsequent fuel leak."

So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?


Thanks for the information. I read the blog but it didn't convince me the documentary was wrong, just that they didn't agree with it. Ill look into the pdf file.
 
2014-03-27 06:00:43 PM

trappedspirit: LazyMedia: So Boeing had already documented that these fuel pumps could leak, and that electrical arcing could occur. And you think it's really unlikely that the fuel tank just blew up?

I thought our super secret satellite system that is constantly scanning for light from bursts had ruled out an air explosion?


The government cabal blew it up, and the Iluminati's drone spoofed the engine pinger over the indian ocean while Obama just cut a deal with the Pope over hiring out the special forces to convert Ukraine into a Catholic templar puppet state against the incursions from the co-opted Orthodox.
 
2014-03-27 06:04:25 PM

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


I'm going to take a wild guess that one of the pilots said something Muslim-y at some point - and they don't want to foster an ethnic stereotype (no matter how accurate it might be in this particular case).
 
2014-03-27 06:07:26 PM
Yeah, well your evidence is at the bottom of the drink now. Good luck getting it back.
 
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