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(Straits Times)   In a move that no one should have a problem with, Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public   (straitstimes.com) divider line 182
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2014-03-27 01:03:02 PM  
Insert surprised all to hell face.
The tale that just keeps on wagging.

/suicides start in 3,2,1
 
2014-03-27 01:17:27 PM  
Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?
 
2014-03-27 02:09:30 PM  

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


As if saying there's stuff that cannot be made public on one of the more suspicious incidents in modern history ISN'T a ginormous red flag for the international law enforcement community.
 
2014-03-27 02:26:58 PM  
Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.
 
2014-03-27 03:05:25 PM  
Yeah, the US government would never seal documents relating to an on going investigation
 
2014-03-27 03:08:48 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.
 
2014-03-27 03:09:06 PM  
The gist I'm getting off of this is "Go Away".
 
2014-03-27 03:09:11 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


YES
you dont release information, esp while investigating a potential crime or act of terrorism.
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,
toss in that there might be other criminals on the ground that you dont want to tip off,
toss in that say the plane was REALLY still out there, wouldnt want to tip off the bad guys that you are coming to get them

/kind of like not letting pakistan KNOW that you were coming to get osama ... lol
 
2014-03-27 03:09:42 PM  
Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.
 
2014-03-27 03:09:51 PM  

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


I think they're just enjoying being on the world stage for once and don't want the spotlight to fade.
 
2014-03-27 03:10:09 PM  

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?


Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be some kind of missile accident or an accidental shoot-down on malaysia's behalf. Countries tend to keep two types of secrets - the kind that would fuel their enemies, and the kind that would make them look bad. Since there aren't a lot of enemies involved here...
 
2014-03-27 03:10:32 PM  
they only seal the evidence that makes them culpable, so there's that
 
2014-03-27 03:10:44 PM  
Information goes into an active investigation. It doesn't come out.
 
2014-03-27 03:11:10 PM  
You know, Malaysia, this guy is still alive and presumably available for contract work.

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2014-03-27 03:11:11 PM  

AndreMA: Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.


...most countries don't

/editing fail
 
2014-03-27 03:13:27 PM  
"Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

OH SNAP
 
2014-03-27 03:15:15 PM  

Somaticasual: Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?!  Like a secret that could take down it's government?  Or maybe a lot of it's closest friends might just get Interpol and a ton of other law enforcement officials on their asses for something it shouldn't have done?

Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be some kind of missile accident or an accidental shoot-down on malaysia's behalf. Countries tend to keep two types of secrets - the kind that would fuel their enemies, and the kind that would make them look bad. Since there aren't a lot of enemies involved here...


Secret missile shootdowns are as real as Bigfoot. If somebody had shot that airliner down, you'd have known about it within hours.

/Seriously, if you didn't cover up the Iran Air 655 incident, why would you ever cover up anything?
 
2014-03-27 03:15:33 PM  

Rwa2play: Seriously, WTF has Malaysia acting all NSA about this?! Like a secret that could take down it's government?


The same reason the Egyptian and Indonesian governments refused to accept the U.S. NTSB findings for Egyptair 990 and SilkAir 185.

Pilot suicide on national air carriers is highly embarrassing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
 
2014-03-27 03:15:49 PM  
This is nothing more than a bunch of out-of-the-loop bureaucrats pulling something out of their arses to appease an angry group of bereaved relatives. Media blows it up into NSA shenanigans.

There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.

Sheesh.
 
2014-03-27 03:17:00 PM  
Crudbucket:

I think they're just enjoying being on the world stage for once and don't want the spotlight to fade.

Not likely this weekend. They're hosting a Grand Prix.
 
2014-03-27 03:17:26 PM  
Who knew there was a grassy knoll in Malaysia.
 
2014-03-27 03:18:36 PM  
Zoolander should've killed the President of Malaysia.
 
2014-03-27 03:18:38 PM  

AndreMA: Yeah, the militaries of most doesn't like to advertise the capabilities and ranges of its radar systems.

This should shock nobody.


It bears repeating.
 
2014-03-27 03:19:30 PM  
From the article - "During the question-and-answer session, a relative said: Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

Lol!
 
2014-03-27 03:20:23 PM  

Archae hippy: "Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

OH SNAP


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-03-27 03:20:47 PM  
Wow, the comments on that site are chock-full of conspiracy Derp. I can't decide whether the certainty with which these fools spot out their baseless theories is funny or sad.

Guess I'll go with "sadny." Yeah, that sounds sufficiently cromulent...
 
2014-03-27 03:21:07 PM  
Yeah, those Chinese families are going to lose their shiat and the Chinese government is going to let them throw rocks at the Malaysian embassy.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 03:22:01 PM  
media.247sports.com
 
2014-03-27 03:22:17 PM  
i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-27 03:23:20 PM  
Great idea!

Let's piss off the Chinese even more!
 
2014-03-27 03:23:26 PM  
I think deliberately crashed is becoming the most likely scenario. They don't want to unseal anything to do with the pilot.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 03:24:09 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Yeah, those Chinese families are going to lose their shiat and the Chinese government is going to let them throw rocks at the Malaysian embassy.


Normally you can say "Meh", but with over a billion people to hoist bits of masonry they might actually want to worry about the scenario.
 
2014-03-27 03:25:46 PM  
I wonder if some Anonymous person will hack into their records and post it on the internet somewhere. Anonymously.
 
2014-03-27 03:25:56 PM  
CSB -

Reminds me a night when I was a tugboat dispatcher in Harvey, LA.  We had a tug, the M/V Venus, that caught fire, and burned to the hull.  (Funny thing about diesel fuel - it never exploded on any of our tug fires.)  It was then taken under tow by anther tug, up the Houma Navigational Canal for assessments and repairs, when it started taking on water from an unknown source, and sank in the middle of the channel.

I called our Port Captain at about 3:30 am, and told him I had good news, and bad news.  The bad news: The Venus was awash and aground, blocking the HNC.  The good news:  There was very little chance of a re-ignition of the fire.

He didn't even chuckle.

CSB over.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:21 PM  
It was an inside job just like 9/11.
They already know exactly what happened and are trying their damnedest to keep the truth from the light.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:37 PM  
So Malaysia has it's own TWA Flight 800? Oops, I mean EgyptAir Flight 990. No, wait, I mean Arrow Air Flight 1285.

Darn it. I guess I'll never know what I mean.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:47 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.


Yeah it is. It is just the way they said it. They need to get better public relations people.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:50 PM  
I think someone at Malaysia recently finished reading Nelson DeMille's MayDay.
 
2014-03-27 03:28:21 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Wow, the comments on that site are chock-full of conspiracy Derp. I can't decide whether the certainty with which these fools spot out their baseless theories is funny or sad.

Guess I'll go with "sadny." Yeah, that sounds sufficiently cromulent...


It's a Singapore paper. Not surprised Singaporeans would accuse Malaysians of incompetence and cover up.
 
2014-03-27 03:28:41 PM  
The airplane was brought down by seals?!
 
2014-03-27 03:28:49 PM  
Sounds like a typical aircraft running into a UFO cover-up.
 
2014-03-27 03:29:39 PM  

stevejovi: There's nothing to see here. This is a non-story. The plane had a fire and partial systems failure, flew on autopilot until fuel ran out, then splashed down in the Indian Ocean. No big "plot". No Jack Bauer moment. Calm down. Go back to your American Idol.


Fire has been completely debunked.

The plane made a number of turns directly to waypoints well after the transponders were disabled, well after reaching an airport at which they could have landed.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearan ce _chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

That alone is enough to disprove the fire theory, but there's more.   The on board computer was programmed with westward headings before the last voice signal was sent.

Average time from the start of a fire until hull burn through is 12 minutes.  Those in the know cannot fathom any way fire would destroy the two transponder systems, while allowing the maintenance satellite system and autopilot to continue running.  Sure, it's a remote possibility, but added to everything else, it reduces further the odds of fire.

When you rule out everything else, you have to accept the only remaining possibility.  Someone flew the plane towards its destination.  There were only two people on board who provably knew how to disable the on board transponders and program the navigation system.

That's why the Malaysians are being so cagey.  They don't want to admit they've found something damning about one of their pilots.
 
2014-03-27 03:29:48 PM  
namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.
 
2014-03-27 03:31:25 PM  
How long until the pingers run out of juice?
 
2014-03-27 03:33:46 PM  

clkeagle: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.

Yeah, I don't find this to be odd in itself.

But the reactions from the US media are going to reach truly bizarre levels.


They already have, and not just in the US media, judging from the comments for TFA. Lots of cray-cray now about the plane being shot down over the cargo it had on board (whatever you think that might be).

The things is ... though not revealing all your cards during an investigation is SOP, Malaysian Airlines and the Malaysian gov't have shown a particular talent for expressing things in the most ham-fisted ways imaginable. There's "we need to refrain from commenting during an active investigation," and then there's basically, "we know stuff and won't say if we plan to ever tell you."

If I were one of the Chinese relatives, I'd be ape-shiat with fury, myself.

Although... If I were the head of a large PR firm, I might be thinking how to pitch my services to other Third World governments. "You don't want to look like those Malaysian yokels in front of the media, do you?"
 
2014-03-27 03:34:07 PM  

Mudd's woman: How long until the pingers run out of juice?


30 days, but they can only be heard 3 or 4 miles away, less if conditions are bad, and with thermals, maybe not all the way to the surface.

Even if they're functioning, the odds are of any search vessels getting close enough to listen within the next two weeks is low.
 
2014-03-27 03:34:49 PM  
Where is our NSA now?

They are so horrible at managing this whole thing... I am not implying that I know who SHOULD be managing this (I appreciate they may not have so many of these events to prepare them) - I wish they would just be quiet until they have something meaningful... those poor family and friends.
 
2014-03-27 03:35:51 PM  
.....aaaaaaaand there goes H2: The History Channel to Channel Creep.

/or would that be Turner Classic Movies?
 
2014-03-27 03:35:58 PM  

namatad: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Isn't this pretty normal with both plane crashes and criminal investigations, of which both are on-going?  I believe most of the details of a normal plane crash in the US aren't released to the public until the investigation is over which can take one or two years, and it is certainly normal in a potential criminal investigation to withhold certain evidence until trail or the investigation is over.  And the Malaysian government has stated many times that they believe their is reason to believe this is a criminal matter.

YES
you dont release information, esp while investigating a potential crime or act of terrorism.
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,
toss in that there might be other criminals on the ground that you dont want to tip off,
toss in that say the plane was REALLY still out there, wouldnt want to tip off the bad guys that you are coming to get them


From TFA: "The sealed evidence included air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings."

Yeah, that's great and all, but ATC transcripts are generally published pretty quickly.  In fact, portions already have.
And radar tracks, if it's military, you might not, but civilian radar, why not?
Airport security recordings, depends on what kind.  They've already released video from security cameras in the airport.
Your theory's great until it has to deal with the particular facts of this case.
 
2014-03-27 03:38:37 PM  

MooseBayou: namatad:
toss in at least two people were traveling under false papers,

Both from Iran, BTW.


Those were asylum-seekers. There's probably never a flight from Asia to Europe that doesn't have some asylum-seeker aboard with false papers.
 
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