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(Townhall)   If your sex life is dependent on your employer, or, worse, government providing you with contraception ... well, we're all screwed   (townhall.com ) divider line
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2014-03-27 08:00:31 AM  
Whenever a conservative uses the phrase "intellectual dishonesty" in a serious fashion, you can be assured of the whargarbl to come.
 
2014-03-27 08:07:14 AM  
People are going to fark whether they have contraception or not. So, this is what I don't understand. On the one hand, Republicans biatch about "welfare queens" (strangely, it's never "welfare kings") and "free school lunches" and "helping kids get to the doctor"; on the other, they don't want people to have cheap and easy access to prevent them from having a kid and needing those services to begin with.
 
2014-03-27 08:09:00 AM  
Shut the fark up ClownHall.
 
2014-03-27 08:09:14 AM  
Good thing my insurer provides for contraception, so I'm not reliant upon the employer or government providing this.

Sorry, not clicking TH link to see if that was actually addressed or not, assuming not.
 
2014-03-27 08:15:40 AM  
Fine. No more paying for Viagra or any other boner pill. If you can't afford it you're  screw..., uh you're  f**ke..., you're s**t out of luck.
If'n the Good Lord had wanted you to have more kids, he'd' 'ave left the ram in yer ramrod, amirite?
 
2014-03-27 08:25:37 AM  
Subby is right.

If your sex life is dependent on penis pumps or viagra, your employer shouldn't be paying for your hard on.
 
2014-03-27 08:26:46 AM  
Given the fact that pretty much every woman in America has used the pill at some point in her life, is this really a smart fight to pick?
 
2014-03-27 08:32:07 AM  

mutterfark: Fine. No more paying for Viagra or any other boner pill. If you can't afford it you're  screw..., uh you're  f**ke..., you're s**t out of luck.
If'n the Good Lord had wanted you to have more kids, he'd' 'ave left the ram in yer ramrod, amirite?


BunkyBrewman: If your sex life is dependent on penis pumps or viagra, your employer shouldn't be paying for your hard on.


Well, I can see my thoughts have been covered
 
2014-03-27 08:33:11 AM  

ginandbacon: Given the fact that pretty much every woman in America has used the pill at some point in her life, is this really a smart fight to pick?


All those dirty sluts. You? Dirty slut. Your daughter? Dirty slut. Your sister? Dirty slut.
Your mom? Well, everyone knows her.
 
2014-03-27 08:34:24 AM  
If your opinion is dependent on Townhall... well, you're intellectually screwed
 
2014-03-27 08:38:34 AM  
The layers of stupid in that article are so deep I don't know where to begin.
 
2014-03-27 08:38:51 AM  
Owners of capital get their religious "freedom" protected, labor, not so much.
 
2014-03-27 08:39:25 AM  
I'm in favour of increased availability and access to contraception because it's fiscally responsible and reduces abortions.
 
2014-03-27 08:39:36 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: People are going to fark whether they have contraception or not. So, this is what I don't understand. On the one hand, Republicans biatch about "welfare queens" (strangely, it's never "welfare kings") and "free school lunches" and "helping kids get to the doctor"; on the other, they don't want people to have cheap and easy access to prevent them from having a kid and needing those services to begin with.


Because unplanned pregnancies are freeeeeeeeeee!!
 
2014-03-27 08:41:51 AM  

ginandbacon: Given the fact that pretty much every woman in America has used the pill at some point in her life, is this really a smart fight to pick?


Considering how completely ignorant most conservatives are about reality, I'm sure many female conservatives who support this just assume that pills will be available for "good" women like them who either are married or take it for a medical issue. How this will work is unclear, but God will provide a way.
 
2014-03-27 08:41:54 AM  
Funny..my wife took contraception for two years to increase her chances of pregnancy. You see, contraception isn't only perscribed for preventing children.

Keep working on that out reach to women, though. This can only work out well for you.
 
2014-03-27 08:42:44 AM  
How about we just mirror the contraceptive policies of a conservative country like Iran?
 
2014-03-27 08:42:46 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Subby is right.

If your sex life is dependent on penis pumps or viagra, your employer shouldn't be paying for your hard on.


This.  When someone can turn your own argument around without any alterations save for the subject and utterly invalidate your position you should probably get a new argument.

/What in hell do their wives say to them?  Nothing?  Nothing at all?
 
2014-03-27 08:44:38 AM  

mutterfark: Fine. No more paying for Viagra or any other boner pill. If you can't afford it you're  screw..., uh you're  f**ke..., you're s**t out of luck.
If'n the Good Lord had wanted you to have more kids, he'd' 'ave left the ram in yer ramrod, amirite?


I will believe this is about religious beliefs when the same people start railing against boner aids for single men.

BC for women = often not a sin (used for other medical reasons)
Viagra for a single man = always a sin
 
2014-03-27 08:44:39 AM  
I don't click on Town Hall links.

In before "don't like having your world view challenged, huh libtard?" Although that one cracks me up every time.
 
2014-03-27 08:45:10 AM  
Hey guys, is this yet another thread about the Righties maintaining that the only possible reason women might want birth control is so they can hop from bed to bed with impunity at taxpayer expense because they are dirty dirty ho-bags who thwart the Holy Individual Initiative and deserve to be punished?  I gotta tell ya, these are my absolute favorite right now.
 
2014-03-27 08:45:25 AM  
fta he owners of the craft store chain Hobby Lobby have a deeply held religious belief...

Just a heads-up, Town Hall; Did you know there are other religions besides Christianity? It's true! Study it out.
 
2014-03-27 08:45:27 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: People are going to fark whether they have contraception or not. So, this is what I don't understand. On the one hand, Republicans biatch about "welfare queens" (strangely, it's never "welfare kings") and "free school lunches" and "helping kids get to the doctor"; on the other, they don't want people to have cheap and easy access to prevent them from having a kid and needing those services to begin with.


I wondered that a lot too. The only conclusion I could come up with is that they want to see people suffer.
 
2014-03-27 08:46:50 AM  
The government is going to lose the Hobby Lobby case, prepare yourselves. Your bosses are all going to find religion as soon as the ink on that decision is dry.
 
2014-03-27 08:47:18 AM  
Um, ClownHall... 'abstinence only' doesn't work. Everyone knows this. Instead of telling people they shouldn't be farking, accept thousands of years of reality that, yes... people are going to fark... all the time. When you accept reality, you can then advocate for things that deal with it... like preventing unwanted pregnancies from all that farking. Preventing unwanted pregnancies is a GOOD thing for society.  Policies that assist in preventing unwanted pregnancies area a GOOD thing.

Grow the fark up.

/fark
 
2014-03-27 08:47:21 AM  
If your cancer treatments are dependent on your employer than you have the only healthcare Republicans want.
 
2014-03-27 08:47:41 AM  
I agree and would extend the argument to say: If you rely on your employer to provide healthcare to you, you are screwed.
Or, in other words, you are an American.
 
2014-03-27 08:48:42 AM  

Sid_6.7: Whenever a conservative uses the phrase "intellectual dishonesty" in a serious fashion, you can be assured of the whargarbl to come.


I've never met one who gave the impression they knew what it meant.
 
2014-03-27 08:50:18 AM  
It's all funny with it's about lady gardens and manflutes, but wait until your relatives discover that your employer objects to blood transfusions as you lie dying after car accident.
 
2014-03-27 08:50:23 AM  

mayIFark: Gecko Gingrich: People are going to fark whether they have contraception or not. So, this is what I don't understand. On the one hand, Republicans biatch about "welfare queens" (strangely, it's never "welfare kings") and "free school lunches" and "helping kids get to the doctor"; on the other, they don't want people to have cheap and easy access to prevent them from having a kid and needing those services to begin with.

I wondered that a lot too. The only conclusion I could come up with is that they want to see people suffer.


Bingo.
 
2014-03-27 08:50:35 AM  

hinten: I agree and would extend the argument to say: If you rely on your employer to provide healthcare to you, you are screwed.
Or, in other words, you are an American.


Also this.
 
2014-03-27 08:51:45 AM  
If your political platform involves butting into people's sex lives...well, we're all screwed.
 
2014-03-27 08:52:45 AM  
I don't see any articles on TownHall complaining that good Christians are forced to pay for boner pills.  Intellectual dishonesty indeed.
 
2014-03-27 08:52:48 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The government is going to lose the Hobby Lobby case, prepare yourselves. Your bosses are all going to find religion as soon as the ink on that decision is dry.


I'm confused. Which one of my boss' religious edicts am I to follow? My program manager is a Christian, my department head is a Hindu, and his boss is a Jew. Or are we supposed to take our religious instructions from share holders? And as a mid-level manager, do I get to impose my religious beliefs on the seniors and staff below me?
 
2014-03-27 08:52:56 AM  

ManateeGag: Funny..my wife took contraception for two years to increase her chances of pregnancy. You see, contraception isn't only perscribed for preventing children.

Keep working on that out reach to women, though. This can only work out well for you.


While I absolutely agree with this sentiment and know of a myriad of medical conditions (beyond pregnancy...which is in fact a medical condition itself...) treated by the pill, IUDs, shots, and more I don't think its necessary to use these as the cornerstone of this argument.

As long as male boner pills are covered by insurance then female contraception should too.  A man does NOT need Viagra.  There is no threat to life or general health that the little blue pill treats.  That is the definition of a completely voluntary medical treatment.

In stark contrast pregnancy is itself a hazardous medical condition potentially resulting in severe long-term consequences like death, incontinence, severe bleeding, etc.  There are valid medical reasons for not wanting to get pregnant for every woman.  No extra-special reasons outside of preventing pregnancy are necessary.
 
2014-03-27 08:54:23 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: BunkyBrewman: Subby is right.

If your sex life is dependent on penis pumps or viagra, your employer shouldn't be paying for your hard on.

This.  When someone can turn your own argument around without any alterations save for the subject and utterly invalidate your position you should probably get a new argument.

/What in hell do their wives say to them?  Nothing?  Nothing at all?


Why do you think they vent out on ClownHall?
 
2014-03-27 08:54:25 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Hey guys, is this yet another thread about the Righties maintaining that the only possible reason women might want birth control is so they can hop from bed to bed with impunity at taxpayer expense because they are dirty dirty ho-bags who thwart the Holy Individual Initiative and deserve to be punished?  I gotta tell ya, these are my absolute favorite right now.


No.  This is yet another thread about the Lefties maintaining that without the law making it mandatory ALL insurance policies everywhere will exclude birth control resulting in its disappearance from the market place.

Babby everywhere.  Anarchy.  Somalia.
 
2014-03-27 08:55:06 AM  

Headso: If your political platform involves butting into people's sex lives...well, we're all screwed.


i51.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-27 08:55:17 AM  

propasaurus: ginandbacon: Given the fact that pretty much every woman in America has used the pill at some point in her life, is this really a smart fight to pick?

All those dirty sluts. You? Dirty slut. Your daughter? Dirty slut. Your sister? Dirty slut.
Your mom? Well, everyone knows her.


My mother is a chaste woman. How did you know I'm a slut though????? Are you with the NSA?

o_0
 
2014-03-27 08:55:33 AM  
I think the take-away from this is that we should have a healthcare system in which employers have no involvement at all. Perhaps some sort of healthcare system where everybody is covered for everything all the time regardless of where they work.
 
2014-03-27 08:55:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The government is going to lose the Hobby Lobby case, prepare yourselves. Your bosses are all going to find religion as soon as the ink on that decision is dry.


I don't know how the court can rule in favor of Hobby Lobby. They must know that allowing this will just open a can of worms and bring all sorts of cases before the court where they will have to be deciding what qualifies as a "deeply held religious belief " that business owners can impose on their employees.
 
2014-03-27 08:56:02 AM  

eiger: ginandbacon: Given the fact that pretty much every woman in America has used the pill at some point in her life, is this really a smart fight to pick?

Considering how completely ignorant most conservatives are about reality, I'm sure many female conservatives who support this just assume that pills will be available for "good" women like them who either are married or take it for a medical issue. How this will work is unclear, but God will provide a way.


As I understand, that is pretty much how Prohibition was passed. Most people in favor of it assumed it was going to be "prohibition for those people" - Irish, Blacks, Germans, Degenerate City Folk etc etc.
 
2014-03-27 08:56:14 AM  

eiger: ginandbacon: Given the fact that pretty much every woman in America has used the pill at some point in her life, is this really a smart fight to pick?

Considering how completely ignorant most conservatives are about reality, I'm sure many female conservatives who support this just assume that pills will be available for "good" women like them who either are married or take it for a medical issue. How this will work is unclear, but God will provide a way.


Yup. It's pretty amazing how easy it is for people to say "When  I used it I had a legitimate reason, but those other people, they're just taking advantage of the system."
 
2014-03-27 08:56:25 AM  
Oh FFS.
 
2014-03-27 08:57:10 AM  
Pregnancy is a medical condition that may not be desirable to everyone. That is why insurance covers birth control. These people don't care about religious beliefs. They just want to be able to tell people who can and can't have sex.

You are required by law to provide insurance for your employees. Insurance is a product.

That product is regulated. One of those regulations is the requirement to cover birth control.

Too farking bad for you.
 
2014-03-27 08:57:11 AM  

Epic Fap Session: How about we just mirror the contraceptive policies of a conservative country like Iran?


Since Islam does not have similar issues with BC and abortion like Christianity does, I don't think that will work out at all for the teahadists.
 
2014-03-27 08:57:52 AM  
Sincerely held religious beliefs, huh?

I bet if they lose, they'll strenuously object.

www.pbfingers.com
 
2014-03-27 09:00:07 AM  

Notabunny: I think the take-away from this is that we should have a healthcare system in which employers have no involvement at all. Perhaps some sort of healthcare system where everybody is covered for everything all the time regardless of where they work.


America isn't ready for a system like that until we collect evidence from dozens of countries that it's worked well for years.
Wait, what?
Oh, OK, America doesn't want a system like that because Freedom and shiat
 
2014-03-27 09:00:55 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: ManateeGag: Funny..my wife took contraception for two years to increase her chances of pregnancy. You see, contraception isn't only perscribed for preventing children.

Keep working on that out reach to women, though. This can only work out well for you.

While I absolutely agree with this sentiment and know of a myriad of medical conditions (beyond pregnancy...which is in fact a medical condition itself...) treated by the pill, IUDs, shots, and more I don't think its necessary to use these as the cornerstone of this argument.

As long as male boner pills are covered by insurance then female contraception should too.  A man does NOT need Viagra.  There is no threat to life or general health that the little blue pill treats.  That is the definition of a completely voluntary medical treatment.

In stark contrast pregnancy is itself a hazardous medical condition potentially resulting in severe long-term consequences like death, incontinence, severe bleeding, etc.  There are valid medical reasons for not wanting to get pregnant for every woman.  No extra-special reasons outside of preventing pregnancy are necessary.


While i agree with you, it's funny you should mention Viagra...

Last year, my friend's son was in the hospital for a heart surgery. They were trying to figure out the best way to help his blood flow issues and one of the things they tried was low doses of Viagra.

It may be most widely used to help the little general salute, but I do know of at least that once case where it was used for something else.
 
2014-03-27 09:01:10 AM  

mayIFark: Epic Fap Session: How about we just mirror the contraceptive policies of a conservative country like Iran?

Since Islam does not have similar issues with BC and abortion like Christianity does, I don't think that will work out at all for the teahadists.


Thanks for explaining the joke. That always makes it funnier.
 
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