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(Huffington Post)   New study claims that a quarter of the people in Mississippi can't afford food, which, when you think about it, is a bit of a self-correcting problem   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 47
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2014-03-27 12:05:31 PM
4 votes:
A tiny bit of knowledge on how to prepare food will put a stop to the mistaken belief that it's too expensive to eat healthily. You won't eat "fancy", but you can easily go ultra-nutritious on a budget.

Buy a bag of potatoes, a chicken, a bag of carrots, a few turnips, bag of onions, a bunch of celery, and some frozen corn. (Corn is so cheap it's almost free!)  Total cost: Less than $20 where I live.

Prepare the chicken by slicing off the dumsticks & thighs. These can be baked with a little bit of salt & pepper to make 4 servings of meat.  Add some roasted carrots& turnip and baked potatoes, and you have a hearty meal,

Cut off the chicken's breasts. Cut into small pieces and pan fry them. Add in julienned carrots and celery, and cut up onion pieces. Flavour with any spices you have. Stir fry for 4.   Serve on a bed of mashed potatoes.

Lastly, take the remainder of the chicken carcass, skin, wings, etc. and boil them in a pot with diced celery. Makes a huge amount of chicken broth.  Add small pieces of potato, carrot wheels, corn, onions, etc. You have a huge amount of delicious soup that will keep you going all day.

So I just made 12 servings of healthy food for about $20. And I live in frozen Canada, where most of this stuff costs more than in places where they can actually grow food.
2014-03-27 11:16:52 AM
4 votes:

FLMountainMan: TheDirtyNacho: Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


I live in Texas, and I enjoy it for it is a beautiful place with friendly people, but I would not want to be poor here.

We don't have any state income tax, which is attractive to many - but that also means that social services are almost non-existent.  Ditto to things like public transportation.  If you are poor, or worse, elderly and poor, life is difficult.

It also has one of the lowest unemployment rates and costs of living.  I'd rather dig a ditch in Texas than suckle the government teat in a frozen hellhole like Minnesota.  Cali wouldn't be bad though...I could definitely suckle some teats there.


Except that once again you'd be completely farking wrong, as Minnesota pays more in taxes than it gets from the government and Texas takes more federal money than it pays in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/republican-states-most-depe nd ent-government_n_5035877.html

So apparently, you'd rather suckle the government teat and be poor, hot, and miserable than be cold. We have coats you know, and gloves, and hats. We do tend to make fun of people who aren't educated and like to speak their minds about how to fix things, so maybe you wouldn't fit in.
2014-03-27 12:41:23 PM
3 votes:

ginandbacon: FLMountainMan: ginandbacon: FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.

Do you actually believe that obesity and poor diet are not linked?

I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.

They can afford to eat crap for 25 days out of the month and then they go hungry. They are obese because they eat crap. Is that hard to comprehend?


It's so easy to be judgemental when you've never known hunger. I have, and to feed my kids on less than ten dollars for the week, I could buy a couple of packages of cheap hotdogs and a loaf of bread. If I limited myself to one a night, the boys could eat their fill. I didn't have the transportation to get to the food pantry and "made too much" for foodstamps at that time because my ex decided to pay child support for the first time in 7 years the month before. Until you've had to look at your hungry kids in the face and tell them "no more food" kindly shut the fark up about the poorz and their shiatty nutrition.
2014-03-27 11:13:20 AM
3 votes:

sat1va: FLMountainMan:
I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.

FTA:

Interestingly enough, there is also a higher instance of obesity in Mississippi than in any other state. According to Gallup, 35.4 percent of residents were obese in 2013.

The lack of healthy food ... is one of the reasons you have very poor people who are obese. It is because they're not able to afford nutritious and high protein food," Ross Fraser, spokesperson for hunger-relief charity Feeding America, told 24/7 Wall Street last September.


I think it's a bit easier to point to affordability of healthy food than the reality of culturally bad stuff in the south. Fried food, barbecue, meals heavy on red meats, excessive use of butter and oils, and an abject lack of nutrition education. I have friends in the south who *still* serve their kids fried eggs, bacon, and grits every morning because they think that it is a healthy breakfast. While affordability is part of the problem, I think it gets scapegoated a bit too much because of its convenience and cultural sensitivity... nobody wants to insult southern cuisine (because it's f'n good), so they go on pretending that you can have that kind of food for every meal and somehow end up healthy.
2014-03-27 11:03:00 AM
3 votes:
FLMountainMan:
I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.

FTA:

Interestingly enough, there is also a higher instance of obesity in Mississippi than in any other state. According to Gallup, 35.4 percent of residents were obese in 2013.

The lack of healthy food ... is one of the reasons you have very poor people who are obese. It is because they're not able to afford nutritious and high protein food," Ross Fraser, spokesperson for hunger-relief charity Feeding America, told 24/7 Wall Street last September.
2014-03-27 10:46:15 AM
3 votes:

FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.


Do you actually believe that obesity and poor diet are not linked?
2014-03-27 10:44:25 AM
3 votes:

Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


An anarchist revolt? What, you want to make it even more of a hellhole?
And WTF does Obama have to do with how Mississippi is run? He can't magically put himself in charge of the state and fix all it's problems. He can pretty much just make suggestions to the state government, which would be promptly ignored to "stick it to obummer".
2014-03-27 12:37:36 PM
2 votes:
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2014-03-27 12:26:16 PM
2 votes:

Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.




I just love Northern Liberal smugness since they have so little reason to be smug:


New York City Leads Jump in Homeless


New York has most segregated schools in the country

"In the 30 years I have been researching schools, New York state has consistently been one of the most segregated states in the nation - no Southern state comes close to New York,"
and we could go on about Michigan, Illinois, etc etc etc.
2014-03-27 12:19:59 PM
2 votes:

The Southern Logic Company: When no one in your family can boil water, how can you expect them to cook a decent meal?


or when you're (best case) living in a low rent apartment or long term cheap hotel with a hot plate, one pot and maybe a microwave?
2014-03-27 12:17:38 PM
2 votes:
firefly212:

I think it's a bit easier to point to affordability of healthy food than the reality of culturally bad stuff in the south. Fried food, barbecue, meals heavy on red meats, excessive use of butter and oils, and an abject lack of nutrition education. I have friends in the south who *still* serve their kids fried eggs, bacon, and grits every morning because they think that it is a healthy breakfast. While affordability is part of the problem, I think it gets scapegoated a bit too much because of its convenience and cultural sensitivity... nobody wants to insult southern cuisine (because it's f'n good), so they go on pretending that you can have that kind of food for every meal and somehow end up healthy.

Bacon is the only truly "unhealthy" thing in that list and unless the kids are eating a slab of bacon every morning, it isn't a problem in the long run.  Also, nice job assuming that Paula Deen = "southern food"

Most of the poor people down here who are on government assistance are not relying on BBQ, fast food and red meats for sustenance.  The issue is reliance on processed foods, food deserts, lack of public transportation and a loss of culinary education passed down through the family.  When no one in your family can boil water, how can you expect them to cook a decent meal?  You're forced to rely on what you can buy and consume without little or no effort; which is just about everything you can buy at a gas station or convenience store.  In most families, there is continuity between the generations where your mother/father/uncle/grandmother/etc could teach at least the basics of cooking and how to shop for real food.  If you have never been taught how to pick ripe fruits and vegetables, a trip to a grocery store is a daunting task unless you veer into the process, canned, frozen or instant food isles.

Middle class people in the south may be relying on the "southern foods" you listed above but that isn't relevant to the issue here.  The issue is lower class people of all colors in Mississippi and the South as a whole being unable to afford or unable to access healthy food.  Food deserts especially are a MASSIVE problem rural and urban Southern cities.  I work near a not-so-nice part of downtown Atlanta and there isn't a place to buy fresh vegetables within walking distance (<3 miles).  Add in Atlanta's gimped public transit system and you should see why a poor family would rather walk to the corner store for food.
2014-03-27 12:06:59 PM
2 votes:

dittybopper: Actually, poorer people often have more time. Because they are less likely to have jobs.


actually poor people typically have jobs- often more than one. they also tend to be single parents, which further eats up available time
2014-03-27 11:50:20 AM
2 votes:
Healthy foods require a larger upfront cost for a family.  It's great if you have the seed money for a healthy meal you can eat off of for a few days, but if you only have a few dollars at a time, you're never going to be able to afford the initial investment in the healthy meal because you're going to have to eat while you're saving money for that healthy food.

You're talking three or four dollars per vegetable per pound, three or four dollars for a family sized bag of rice, maybe seven for a whole chicken, at least in my area.  That might feed a family for a few days.  So you need the $20 to spend for the meal, which is great if you ever have $20 at one time.  Some families never do and need dollar menu crap to get by,
2014-03-27 11:30:40 AM
2 votes:
Also?  Who keeps perpetuating the notion that 'fast-food' is cheap?  I can get a pound of ground beef for about $5 here in NJ.  Potatoes are dirt (pardon the pun) cheap.  Store-Brand burger Rolls?  6 for a $1.  Which means if I take the time to cut the taters into fries and do them in a little vegetable oil, I can serve a family of 4 a "quarter-pounder", and large fries for about $8.  What would that cost at McD's?  I'm guessing around $20.

/  throw in another couple pennies if ya want cheese.
//  salt to taste instead of eating heaps of it.
/// fast-food ain't cheap.
2014-03-27 11:20:11 AM
2 votes:

MooseBayou: TheDirtyNacho: Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


I live in Texas, and I enjoy it for it is a beautiful place with friendly people, but I would not want to be poor here.

We don't have any state income tax, which is attractive to many - but that also means that social services are almost non-existent.  Ditto to things like public transportation.  If you are poor, or worse, elderly and poor, life is difficult.

Um, which Texas are you talking about?  Texas doesn't need income tax - it taxes in other ways.  Texas has beau coup money, and more social services and public transportation than MOST other states.


True in the metro areas, but our state's size makes it very difficult to access these services in distant and rural areas. Some counties are as big as small states;In those areas local private charity tends to pick up the slack.
2014-03-27 11:15:07 AM
2 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: Personally, I don't like the idea of permanent underclasses.  There should be at least enough services to help elderly people get to their appointments and be decently taken caren of, and for children of poverty to rise up.


Yeah but socialism is a dirty word. Unless the US Military or the NFL does it.
2014-03-27 11:05:22 AM
2 votes:

CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..


As the article pointed out, because the cheap food is the high carb food that has little nutritional value but lots of calories. Science is really really hard, I know, but you should really look into it.

Many of the poor people in the US have the highest obesity rates, this has been known for years and it's because of the reason I pointed out. It's more fun to feel superior to poor and fat people though, right?
2014-03-27 11:00:05 AM
2 votes:

FLMountainMan: ginandbacon: FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.

Do you actually believe that obesity and poor diet are not linked?

I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.


They can afford to eat crap for 25 days out of the month and then they go hungry. They are obese because they eat crap. Is that hard to comprehend?
2014-03-27 10:50:36 AM
2 votes:

ginandbacon: FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.

Do you actually believe that obesity and poor diet are not linked?


I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.
2014-03-27 10:29:54 AM
2 votes:

Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.



I live in Texas, and I enjoy it for it is a beautiful place with friendly people, but I would not want to be poor here.

We don't have any state income tax, which is attractive to many - but that also means that social services are almost non-existent.  Ditto to things like public transportation.  If you are poor, or worse, elderly and poor, life is difficult.
2014-03-27 09:49:52 AM
2 votes:
The GOP finally has a way to break the cycle of poverty!

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2014-03-27 04:01:22 PM
1 votes:

Z-clipped: Pangea: Of course not, and I'm not trying to minimize all the difficulties of actually being poor, but at some point the argument needs to stop being that of throwing more money at the problem.

Fine.  You stop making the argument that the poor are poor because they're lazy and indolent, and we'll talk.


Thanks for painting me with that broad brush and drawing conclusions far beyond the point I was making. Does that technique typically result in people being more willing to debate you?

In all fairness, there really is no need for me to change anything in an effort to gain access to your magnificent wisdom in a discussion. The right-wing fundies are rapidly taking away these benefits regardless of my position on the merit of poor people.

The only argument that remains, is that if too much is taken away from these poor people, they'll revolt. My only response to that is the motherfarkers you're talking about have an absolutely atrocious voting rate, and it's too inconvenient for them to even get to a god damned grocery store.

What makes you think they'll get organized enough to revolt? More likely we'll hear about how inconvenient it is to get to the guillotine from the guillotine desert.
2014-03-27 02:50:42 PM
1 votes:

Pangea: People go to McDonald's for convenience and because they crave it. It is a lazy choice, not the most cost-effective one.


You're not really taking into consideration how difficult it is to be poor.  It's easy to isolate a single choice someone makes and call it "lazy" but people only have a finite amount of energy and that shiat piles up quickly when you don't have enough money.  Every single thing you do in your day takes more time and effort.

A 15-20 minute car commute to work might take well over an hour each way by bus.  Of course, you're making minimum wage, so the bus fare represents a significant chunk of your weekly pay which means you're spending 1.5 extra hours in travel time and paying for the hassle.

Now you're off work.  A trip to the big grocery store where things are a few cents cheaper might be another hour each way. Plus, without a car, you can't really take advantage of buying in bulk to make fewer, cheaper trips.  So you opt for the more expensive local market that's only 1/2 hour each way, only now you're paying more for the food, but you can still only carry a few days worth of groceries at a time.  On top of that, you now have to spend the time and energy cooking for your kids, plus, since you're a single mother, you're faced with the choice of dragging them with you everywhere, or paying a sitter just to run basic errands, or leaving them alone in the apartment.

Oh, but I forgot to mention- since you live in a poor neighborhood, someone thoughtfully built a fast food restaurant a 5 minute walk from your building (actually, they built four all conveniently right across the street from each other) where the food is so cheap you can get 3 happy meals and a chicken sandwich for yourself for ~$10.  So now you're faced with the choice between spending an hour or two on the bus which costs money, while paying someone to watch your kids, and then another 90 minutes cooking, feeding the kids and cleaning up when you're already exhausted from work.... or walking 5 minutes and spending an extra dollar or two when all is said and done.

Now repeat that dilemma every day for 5 years, and tell me you'd eat chick peas every time.
2014-03-27 02:44:49 PM
1 votes:
media.npr.org

Angelica Hernandez (left) and her mother, Gloria Nunez, struggle to make ends meet on a very limited budget.


Struggling In Ohio As The Economy Tightens

"Nunez, 40, has never worked and has no high school degree. She says a car accident 17 years ago left her depressed and disabled, incapable of getting a job."

People tell Nunez her daughter could get more money in public assistance if she had a child.

"A lot of people have told me, 'Why don't your daughter have a kid?'"

"They both reject that as a plan."

The rising cost of food means their money gets them about a third fewer bags of groceries - $100 used to buy about 12 bags of groceries, but now it's more like seven or eight. So they cut back on expensive items like meat, and they don't buy extras like ice cream anymore. Instead, they eat a lot of starches like potatoes and noodles.
2014-03-27 01:50:58 PM
1 votes:
We need to really focus on reversible /temporary birth control technology for men and women--and make proof that such birth control is being used as a condition of recieving public assistance. Letting people breed who can't care for themselves is a recipe for failure.

i think our Food stamp program needs to functionmore like WIC. Limit what those recieving food stamps can purchase. No sweets, no cola, only basic staples, fruits, vegetables and so on.

Also fatties get reduced food stamps, or mandatory weight loss treatment to recieve treatment.  i'm tired of seeing fatties on scooters using food stamps to buy twinkies by the pallet.  I really dont want to waste public money paying for the health needs of lazy fatties.
2014-03-27 01:22:45 PM
1 votes:

sat1va: FLMountainMan:
I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.

FTA:

Interestingly enough, there is also a higher instance of obesity in Mississippi than in any other state. According to Gallup, 35.4 percent of residents were obese in 2013.

The lack of healthy food ... is one of the reasons you have very poor people who are obese. It is because they're not able to afford nutritious and high protein food," Ross Fraser, spokesperson for hunger-relief charity Feeding America, told 24/7 Wall Street last September.


Well luckily because of Obamacare we now know that the federal government can makes us buy Brussels Sprouts.
2014-03-27 12:48:33 PM
1 votes:
I watched this the other night.  It was very enlightening.  Sadly those that blame the poor for being poor are not likely to seek out knowledge about how the poor live, and they are the ones that need to see it the most.
2014-03-27 12:28:01 PM
1 votes:

Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


They brought Mexico to the South. Kick the illegals out and the problem would correct itself.
2014-03-27 12:27:13 PM
1 votes:

tricycleracer: AngryDragon: bdub77: The GOP finally has a way to break the cycle of poverty!

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So this is their final solution?

It's more of a modest proposal.


Came for this. Swiftly leaving...
2014-03-27 12:11:48 PM
1 votes:

firefly212: sat1va: FLMountainMan:
I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.

FTA:

Interestingly enough, there is also a higher instance of obesity in Mississippi than in any other state. According to Gallup, 35.4 percent of residents were obese in 2013.

The lack of healthy food ... is one of the reasons you have very poor people who are obese. It is because they're not able to afford nutritious and high protein food," Ross Fraser, spokesperson for hunger-relief charity Feeding America, told 24/7 Wall Street last September.

I think it's a bit easier to point to affordability of healthy food than the reality of culturally bad stuff in the south. Fried food, barbecue, meals heavy on red meats, excessive use of butter and oils, and an abject lack of nutrition education. I have friends in the south who *still* serve their kids fried eggs, bacon, and grits every morning because they think that it is a healthy breakfast. While affordability is part of the problem, I think it gets scapegoated a bit too much because of its convenience and cultural sensitivity... nobody wants to insult southern cuisine (because it's f'n good), so they go on pretending that you can have that kind of food for every meal and somehow end up healthy.


Fried eggs, bacon and grits IS a healthy breakfast - for a farmer or an athlete. It's a lot of food for sitting in a chair, though. I eat that every weekend, but then I go to the boxing gym or go snorkeling or some other physical activity.

Also, either a salad or a fruit is needed to keep that from being unbalanced. Which is part of the problem with a lot of southern food today - they remember the BBQ and fried chicken but omit the collared greens and black eyed peas, or pretty much any of the old vegetable stuff that USED to be a big part of the diet.
2014-03-27 12:04:10 PM
1 votes:
It is a Gallup Poll; so the fatest people in the country are self-reporting that they cannot afford to put more food on the table.
2014-03-27 12:03:35 PM
1 votes:
It is a Gallup Poll; so the fatest people in the country are self-reporting that they cannot afford to put more food on the table.
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2014-03-27 11:45:34 AM
1 votes:

Gaseous Anomaly: Sorta. ER visits to treat hypoglycemia show a monthly cycle, rising at the end of the month in a way that, say, appendicitis visits don't. So some nontrivial number of folks aren't able to ride out the shortage with fat.

As a fellow fatty, I know it's hard as hell to get your body to start actually burning the stuff instead of just stockpiling more or waiting for more calories to come in.

I figure there's some interplay there - the pervasive sense of financial insecurity driving instincts to eat up while you can.


Not only that, but I think we are biologically predisposed towards liking foods that are high in calories because it makes sense from a survival standpoint:  As a hunter/gatherer you'd want as many calories as you can get from each meal in order to have enough energy to last until the next one.  So stuff that's high in calories like carbohydrates and fats taste "good" to us.
2014-03-27 11:44:52 AM
1 votes:

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Also?  Who keeps perpetuating the notion that 'fast-food' is cheap?  I can get a pound of ground beef for about $5 here in NJ.  Potatoes are dirt (pardon the pun) cheap.  Store-Brand burger Rolls?  6 for a $1.  Which means if I take the time to cut the taters into fries and do them in a little vegetable oil, I can serve a family of 4 a "quarter-pounder", and large fries for about $8.  What would that cost at McD's?  I'm guessing around $20.

/  throw in another couple pennies if ya want cheese.
//  salt to taste instead of eating heaps of it.
/// fast-food ain't cheap.


Not necessarily "fast food", chief. Things like a bag of Doritos ($3, feeds 2ish) vs a bunch of bananas (at $.79 per, and let's call a "bunch" 5, that's $3.95; feeds 3ish); or a liter of soda or iced tea/lemonade ($2) vs a gallon of OJ ($6) or milk ($5).

I've noticed that sugary cereals are cheaper than "healthy" cereals, too - for some reason, a 1-lb box of Frosted Flakes is $5, but a smaller box of Crispix (don't judge me) is $4.60 - but that's less scientific.

There's also two other problems, often lumped together with the above:
1. No grocery stores within a decent range of "poor" areas. It's getting better, but bodegas with huge markups are far more expensive than bigger stores like Giant or Safeway. Try doing all your grocery shopping at a CVS (where the items are smaller as well, squeezing your dollar in both directions), then compare with what you'd have spent, even at Whole Foods.

2. Poorer people often have less time in which to cook food, making fast food (or "easy" food, like a bag of Doritos) an attractive option.
2014-03-27 11:42:38 AM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Nadie_AZ: There is only a certain amount of resources

Yeah, like software.  Whoever has the most software is rich.


Software is not the resource, it's the product. The copyright of the software is the resource.
2014-03-27 11:38:26 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: The implication of the headline that people might starve because they "can't afford food".

Which is bullshiat, because they are getting enough calories.  More than enough, in fact.

Now it might not be healthiest kind of food, but it is food that will keep you from starving.  And if you go hungry for a day or two or three at the end of the month, well, that's what fat is for:  To store calories to bridge the gap between meals when times are hard.

I'm not going to get worked up about a fat person talking about how they don't have much to eat for a couple of days until they get their check*.

And I say that as a fat person.

Now, you show me a gaunt person who is obviously suffering from malnutrition due to lack of caloric intake that isn't voluntary, and we'll talk.

*Payroll or welfare, doesn't matter


Sorta. ER visits to treat hypoglycemia show a monthly cycle, rising at the end of the month in a way that, say, appendicitis visits don't. So some nontrivial number of folks aren't able to ride out the shortage with fat.

As a fellow fatty, I know it's hard as hell to get your body to start actually burning the stuff instead of just stockpiling more or waiting for more calories to come in.

I figure there's some interplay there - the pervasive sense of financial insecurity driving instincts to eat up while you can.
2014-03-27 11:33:31 AM
1 votes:

CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..


Poor people eats junk (cheaper) and gets fat, and they also lacks access to proper medical care sometimes needed to lose weight.

It's not a "yet", there is a direct cause and effect, more at 11.
2014-03-27 11:26:05 AM
1 votes:

squirrelflavoredyogurt: CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..

As the article pointed out, because the cheap food is the high carb food that has little nutritional value but lots of calories. Science is really really hard, I know, but you should really look into it.

Many of the poor people in the US have the highest obesity rates, this has been known for years and it's because of the reason I pointed out. It's more fun to feel superior to poor and fat people though, right?


The implication of the headline that people might starve because they "can't afford food".

Which is bullshiat, because they are getting enough calories.  More than enough, in fact.

Now it might not be healthiest kind of food, but it is food that will keep you from starving.  And if you go hungry for a day or two or three at the end of the month, well, that's what fat is for:  To store calories to bridge the gap between meals when times are hard.

I'm not going to get worked up about a fat person talking about how they don't have much to eat for a couple of days until they get their check*.

And I say that as a fat person.

Now, you show me a gaunt person who is obviously suffering from malnutrition due to lack of caloric intake that isn't voluntary, and we'll talk.

*Payroll or welfare, doesn't matter
2014-03-27 11:16:44 AM
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squirrelflavoredyogurt: CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..

As the article pointed out, because the cheap food is the high carb food that has little nutritional value but lots of calories. Science is really really hard, I know, but you should really look into it.

Many of the poor people in the US have the highest obesity rates, this has been known for years and it's because of the reason I pointed out. It's more fun to feel superior to poor and fat people though, right?


We need to teach them that it is possible to eat healthy on a very limited budget. My elderly patients are frequently very poor and with limited funds; they are obese and eat diets that contribute to their chronic health problems. The first step in correcting these problems is teaching them how to eat healthier on their budget; I imagine that the obese poor are in a similar situation. Education regarding diet and budgeting might go a long way in helping them; maybe include this as a requirement in order to obtain SNAP or other food assistance. Just a thought.
2014-03-27 11:14:57 AM
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TheDirtyNacho: Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


I live in Texas, and I enjoy it for it is a beautiful place with friendly people, but I would not want to be poor here.

We don't have any state income tax, which is attractive to many - but that also means that social services are almost non-existent.  Ditto to things like public transportation.  If you are poor, or worse, elderly and poor, life is difficult.


Um, which Texas are you talking about?  Texas doesn't need income tax - it taxes in other ways.  Texas has beau coup money, and more social services and public transportation than MOST other states.
2014-03-27 11:11:45 AM
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FLMountainMan: TheDirtyNacho: Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


I live in Texas, and I enjoy it for it is a beautiful place with friendly people, but I would not want to be poor here.

We don't have any state income tax, which is attractive to many - but that also means that social services are almost non-existent.  Ditto to things like public transportation.  If you are poor, or worse, elderly and poor, life is difficult.

It also has one of the lowest unemployment rates and costs of living.  I'd rather dig a ditch in Texas than suckle the government teat in a frozen hellhole like Minnesota.  Cali wouldn't be bad though...I could definitely suckle some teats there.



Depends on where you are living and what you can do.  It's a fine place to live if you have education, skills, a job lined up where you're at, etc.  But if you're a poor immigrant (or a child of them) without much of any of those, there's not much of a helping hand up or otherwise.

Personally, I don't like the idea of permanent underclasses.  There should be at least enough services to help elderly people get to their appointments and be decently taken caren of, and for children of poverty to rise up.
2014-03-27 10:48:31 AM
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FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.


Except that the cheapest food is also the shiattiest. So the people who are poor, but still CAN afford food, are eating McDonalds or shiat they buy at the dollar store, because they can't afford fresh food.
2014-03-27 10:39:25 AM
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"Teach a man to fish, he eats for a day...Feed a man to the fishes, and he never bothers you for food again." --Confucius
2014-03-27 10:33:32 AM
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is there any chance that these are the same people that think that the poor fema response was obamas fault
2014-03-27 10:32:59 AM
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Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


Please tell all your friends.  Because they seem to be moving here in droves.
2014-03-27 10:32:08 AM
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And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.
2014-03-27 10:08:31 AM
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/167774/mississippians-struggles-afford-foo d -continue-2013.aspx#1

I may be experiencing an optical illusion here but WV and LA do not seem to be the same color although both have the same rates of hunger. I'm also a little surprised by NM since it has such insane rates of poverty.

Depressing stats are depressing though.
 
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