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(Huffington Post)   New study claims that a quarter of the people in Mississippi can't afford food, which, when you think about it, is a bit of a self-correcting problem   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 209
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2014-03-27 11:27:26 AM  

tricycleracer: AngryDragon: bdub77: The GOP finally has a way to break the cycle of poverty!

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So this is their final solution?

It's more of a modest proposal.


www.dvddrive-in.com
You damn dirty ape!

No, wait ...
 
2014-03-27 11:30:40 AM  
Also?  Who keeps perpetuating the notion that 'fast-food' is cheap?  I can get a pound of ground beef for about $5 here in NJ.  Potatoes are dirt (pardon the pun) cheap.  Store-Brand burger Rolls?  6 for a $1.  Which means if I take the time to cut the taters into fries and do them in a little vegetable oil, I can serve a family of 4 a "quarter-pounder", and large fries for about $8.  What would that cost at McD's?  I'm guessing around $20.

/  throw in another couple pennies if ya want cheese.
//  salt to taste instead of eating heaps of it.
/// fast-food ain't cheap.
 
2014-03-27 11:33:31 AM  

CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..


Poor people eats junk (cheaper) and gets fat, and they also lacks access to proper medical care sometimes needed to lose weight.

It's not a "yet", there is a direct cause and effect, more at 11.
 
2014-03-27 11:35:48 AM  

FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.


See my post above. Is this really such a hard concept to understand that 2 people within the first few posts will make the same mistake?
 
2014-03-27 11:38:02 AM  
Look on the bright side, they're able to 75% of Mississippians are able to feed themselves!
 
2014-03-27 11:38:26 AM  

dittybopper: The implication of the headline that people might starve because they "can't afford food".

Which is bullshiat, because they are getting enough calories.  More than enough, in fact.

Now it might not be healthiest kind of food, but it is food that will keep you from starving.  And if you go hungry for a day or two or three at the end of the month, well, that's what fat is for:  To store calories to bridge the gap between meals when times are hard.

I'm not going to get worked up about a fat person talking about how they don't have much to eat for a couple of days until they get their check*.

And I say that as a fat person.

Now, you show me a gaunt person who is obviously suffering from malnutrition due to lack of caloric intake that isn't voluntary, and we'll talk.

*Payroll or welfare, doesn't matter


Sorta. ER visits to treat hypoglycemia show a monthly cycle, rising at the end of the month in a way that, say, appendicitis visits don't. So some nontrivial number of folks aren't able to ride out the shortage with fat.

As a fellow fatty, I know it's hard as hell to get your body to start actually burning the stuff instead of just stockpiling more or waiting for more calories to come in.

I figure there's some interplay there - the pervasive sense of financial insecurity driving instincts to eat up while you can.
 
2014-03-27 11:39:29 AM  

mayIFark: FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.

See my post above. Is this really such a hard concept to understand that 2 people within the first few posts will make the same mistake?


Porkitude, like poverty, has a special status in America as a moral failing.
 
2014-03-27 11:42:38 AM  

trappedspirit: Nadie_AZ: There is only a certain amount of resources

Yeah, like software.  Whoever has the most software is rich.


Software is not the resource, it's the product. The copyright of the software is the resource.
 
2014-03-27 11:42:59 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: Porkitude, like poverty, has a special status in America as a moral failing.


Sloth is one of the 7 deadly.
 
2014-03-27 11:44:52 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Also?  Who keeps perpetuating the notion that 'fast-food' is cheap?  I can get a pound of ground beef for about $5 here in NJ.  Potatoes are dirt (pardon the pun) cheap.  Store-Brand burger Rolls?  6 for a $1.  Which means if I take the time to cut the taters into fries and do them in a little vegetable oil, I can serve a family of 4 a "quarter-pounder", and large fries for about $8.  What would that cost at McD's?  I'm guessing around $20.

/  throw in another couple pennies if ya want cheese.
//  salt to taste instead of eating heaps of it.
/// fast-food ain't cheap.


Not necessarily "fast food", chief. Things like a bag of Doritos ($3, feeds 2ish) vs a bunch of bananas (at $.79 per, and let's call a "bunch" 5, that's $3.95; feeds 3ish); or a liter of soda or iced tea/lemonade ($2) vs a gallon of OJ ($6) or milk ($5).

I've noticed that sugary cereals are cheaper than "healthy" cereals, too - for some reason, a 1-lb box of Frosted Flakes is $5, but a smaller box of Crispix (don't judge me) is $4.60 - but that's less scientific.

There's also two other problems, often lumped together with the above:
1. No grocery stores within a decent range of "poor" areas. It's getting better, but bodegas with huge markups are far more expensive than bigger stores like Giant or Safeway. Try doing all your grocery shopping at a CVS (where the items are smaller as well, squeezing your dollar in both directions), then compare with what you'd have spent, even at Whole Foods.

2. Poorer people often have less time in which to cook food, making fast food (or "easy" food, like a bag of Doritos) an attractive option.
 
2014-03-27 11:45:34 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: Sorta. ER visits to treat hypoglycemia show a monthly cycle, rising at the end of the month in a way that, say, appendicitis visits don't. So some nontrivial number of folks aren't able to ride out the shortage with fat.

As a fellow fatty, I know it's hard as hell to get your body to start actually burning the stuff instead of just stockpiling more or waiting for more calories to come in.

I figure there's some interplay there - the pervasive sense of financial insecurity driving instincts to eat up while you can.


Not only that, but I think we are biologically predisposed towards liking foods that are high in calories because it makes sense from a survival standpoint:  As a hunter/gatherer you'd want as many calories as you can get from each meal in order to have enough energy to last until the next one.  So stuff that's high in calories like carbohydrates and fats taste "good" to us.
 
2014-03-27 11:47:42 AM  

Dr Dreidel: 2. Poorer people often have less time in which to cook food, making fast food (or "easy" food, like a bag of Doritos) an attractive option.


Actually, poorer people often have more time.  Because they are less likely to have jobs.
 
2014-03-27 11:50:20 AM  
Healthy foods require a larger upfront cost for a family.  It's great if you have the seed money for a healthy meal you can eat off of for a few days, but if you only have a few dollars at a time, you're never going to be able to afford the initial investment in the healthy meal because you're going to have to eat while you're saving money for that healthy food.

You're talking three or four dollars per vegetable per pound, three or four dollars for a family sized bag of rice, maybe seven for a whole chicken, at least in my area.  That might feed a family for a few days.  So you need the $20 to spend for the meal, which is great if you ever have $20 at one time.  Some families never do and need dollar menu crap to get by,
 
2014-03-27 11:54:33 AM  
Wasnt Mississippi one of the states with the most obese people? This is really a story about progress
 
2014-03-27 12:03:35 PM  
It is a Gallup Poll; so the fatest people in the country are self-reporting that they cannot afford to put more food on the table.
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2014-03-27 12:04:10 PM  
It is a Gallup Poll; so the fatest people in the country are self-reporting that they cannot afford to put more food on the table.
 
2014-03-27 12:05:31 PM  
A tiny bit of knowledge on how to prepare food will put a stop to the mistaken belief that it's too expensive to eat healthily. You won't eat "fancy", but you can easily go ultra-nutritious on a budget.

Buy a bag of potatoes, a chicken, a bag of carrots, a few turnips, bag of onions, a bunch of celery, and some frozen corn. (Corn is so cheap it's almost free!)  Total cost: Less than $20 where I live.

Prepare the chicken by slicing off the dumsticks & thighs. These can be baked with a little bit of salt & pepper to make 4 servings of meat.  Add some roasted carrots& turnip and baked potatoes, and you have a hearty meal,

Cut off the chicken's breasts. Cut into small pieces and pan fry them. Add in julienned carrots and celery, and cut up onion pieces. Flavour with any spices you have. Stir fry for 4.   Serve on a bed of mashed potatoes.

Lastly, take the remainder of the chicken carcass, skin, wings, etc. and boil them in a pot with diced celery. Makes a huge amount of chicken broth.  Add small pieces of potato, carrot wheels, corn, onions, etc. You have a huge amount of delicious soup that will keep you going all day.

So I just made 12 servings of healthy food for about $20. And I live in frozen Canada, where most of this stuff costs more than in places where they can actually grow food.
 
2014-03-27 12:06:59 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, poorer people often have more time. Because they are less likely to have jobs.


actually poor people typically have jobs- often more than one. they also tend to be single parents, which further eats up available time
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 12:10:58 PM  

Gortex: A tiny bit of knowledge on how to prepare food will put a stop to the mistaken belief that it's too expensive to eat healthily...


You are asking them to learn something... plus it's a bit scientific.

Your solution fails.
 
2014-03-27 12:11:48 PM  

firefly212: sat1va: FLMountainMan:
I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.

FTA:

Interestingly enough, there is also a higher instance of obesity in Mississippi than in any other state. According to Gallup, 35.4 percent of residents were obese in 2013.

The lack of healthy food ... is one of the reasons you have very poor people who are obese. It is because they're not able to afford nutritious and high protein food," Ross Fraser, spokesperson for hunger-relief charity Feeding America, told 24/7 Wall Street last September.

I think it's a bit easier to point to affordability of healthy food than the reality of culturally bad stuff in the south. Fried food, barbecue, meals heavy on red meats, excessive use of butter and oils, and an abject lack of nutrition education. I have friends in the south who *still* serve their kids fried eggs, bacon, and grits every morning because they think that it is a healthy breakfast. While affordability is part of the problem, I think it gets scapegoated a bit too much because of its convenience and cultural sensitivity... nobody wants to insult southern cuisine (because it's f'n good), so they go on pretending that you can have that kind of food for every meal and somehow end up healthy.


Fried eggs, bacon and grits IS a healthy breakfast - for a farmer or an athlete. It's a lot of food for sitting in a chair, though. I eat that every weekend, but then I go to the boxing gym or go snorkeling or some other physical activity.

Also, either a salad or a fruit is needed to keep that from being unbalanced. Which is part of the problem with a lot of southern food today - they remember the BBQ and fried chicken but omit the collared greens and black eyed peas, or pretty much any of the old vegetable stuff that USED to be a big part of the diet.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 12:11:48 PM  

tlchwi02: dittybopper: Actually, poorer people often have more time. Because they are less likely to have jobs.

actually poor people typically have jobs- often more than one. they also tend to be single parents, which further eats up available time


So far we've seen just about every stereotype talking point... let's see.. what's missing.
 
2014-03-27 12:12:04 PM  

dittybopper: Dr Dreidel: 2. Poorer people often have less time in which to cook food, making fast food (or "easy" food, like a bag of Doritos) an attractive option.

Actually, poorer people often have more time.  Because they are less likely to have jobs.


"Working poor", then. And poor people also have families and such (not to mention the job search can be demanding on one's time, especially if they follow the GOP's suggestion of "do not stop to rest until you have several job offers which you compare against industry norms to ensure you're being paid market rate and aren't getting shafted by a pay gap, if such a thing even exists").

If it's not specifically that problem, it's one or both of the other two. Hence my liberal use of "often". :P
 
2014-03-27 12:14:06 PM  

d23: So far we've seen just about every stereotype talking point... let's see.. what's missing.


are the poor people... near?
 
2014-03-27 12:17:38 PM  
firefly212:

I think it's a bit easier to point to affordability of healthy food than the reality of culturally bad stuff in the south. Fried food, barbecue, meals heavy on red meats, excessive use of butter and oils, and an abject lack of nutrition education. I have friends in the south who *still* serve their kids fried eggs, bacon, and grits every morning because they think that it is a healthy breakfast. While affordability is part of the problem, I think it gets scapegoated a bit too much because of its convenience and cultural sensitivity... nobody wants to insult southern cuisine (because it's f'n good), so they go on pretending that you can have that kind of food for every meal and somehow end up healthy.

Bacon is the only truly "unhealthy" thing in that list and unless the kids are eating a slab of bacon every morning, it isn't a problem in the long run.  Also, nice job assuming that Paula Deen = "southern food"

Most of the poor people down here who are on government assistance are not relying on BBQ, fast food and red meats for sustenance.  The issue is reliance on processed foods, food deserts, lack of public transportation and a loss of culinary education passed down through the family.  When no one in your family can boil water, how can you expect them to cook a decent meal?  You're forced to rely on what you can buy and consume without little or no effort; which is just about everything you can buy at a gas station or convenience store.  In most families, there is continuity between the generations where your mother/father/uncle/grandmother/etc could teach at least the basics of cooking and how to shop for real food.  If you have never been taught how to pick ripe fruits and vegetables, a trip to a grocery store is a daunting task unless you veer into the process, canned, frozen or instant food isles.

Middle class people in the south may be relying on the "southern foods" you listed above but that isn't relevant to the issue here.  The issue is lower class people of all colors in Mississippi and the South as a whole being unable to afford or unable to access healthy food.  Food deserts especially are a MASSIVE problem rural and urban Southern cities.  I work near a not-so-nice part of downtown Atlanta and there isn't a place to buy fresh vegetables within walking distance (<3 miles).  Add in Atlanta's gimped public transit system and you should see why a poor family would rather walk to the corner store for food.
 
2014-03-27 12:19:43 PM  

d23: tlchwi02: dittybopper: Actually, poorer people often have more time. Because they are less likely to have jobs.

actually poor people typically have jobs- often more than one. they also tend to be single parents, which further eats up available time

So far we've seen just about every stereotype talking point... let's see.. what's missing.


Eugenics?
 
2014-03-27 12:19:59 PM  

The Southern Logic Company: When no one in your family can boil water, how can you expect them to cook a decent meal?


or when you're (best case) living in a low rent apartment or long term cheap hotel with a hot plate, one pot and maybe a microwave?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-27 12:21:16 PM  

tlchwi02: The Southern Logic Company: When no one in your family can boil water, how can you expect them to cook a decent meal?

or when you're (best case) living in a low rent apartment or long term cheap hotel with a hot plate, one pot and maybe a microwave?


I said no hot plates in the room, Steve?  Do you have a hot plate up there?
 
2014-03-27 12:25:29 PM  
Food shortages are always self correcting problems.

If you believe in evolution, then you should refuse to support people in overpopulated areas. Darwinism ftw.
 
2014-03-27 12:26:16 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.




I just love Northern Liberal smugness since they have so little reason to be smug:


New York City Leads Jump in Homeless


New York has most segregated schools in the country

"In the 30 years I have been researching schools, New York state has consistently been one of the most segregated states in the nation - no Southern state comes close to New York,"
and we could go on about Michigan, Illinois, etc etc etc.
 
2014-03-27 12:27:13 PM  

tricycleracer: AngryDragon: bdub77: The GOP finally has a way to break the cycle of poverty!

[img.fark.net image 387x555]

So this is their final solution?

It's more of a modest proposal.


Came for this. Swiftly leaving...
 
2014-03-27 12:28:01 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


They brought Mexico to the South. Kick the illegals out and the problem would correct itself.
 
2014-03-27 12:29:14 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


I live in Texas, and I enjoy it for it is a beautiful place with friendly people, but I would not want to be poor here.

We don't have any state income tax, which is attractive to many - but that also means that social services are almost non-existent.  Ditto to things like public transportation.  If you are poor, or worse, elderly and poor, life is difficult.


So... go be poor in California. Why is that a problem? Sounds like a good way to keep the standard of living high.
 
2014-03-27 12:34:26 PM  

FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.


"Can't afford" does not equal "not getting" food.  Government assistance and charity fills in the gap.  The former often gives people the freedom to buy shiatty food, and the latter often provides shiatty food because that's what gets donated to them and has a good shelf life.
 
2014-03-27 12:37:36 PM  
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2014-03-27 12:41:23 PM  

ginandbacon: FLMountainMan: ginandbacon: FLMountainMan: And yet they also have the highest obesity rates.  Bullshiat study is bullshiat.

Do you actually believe that obesity and poor diet are not linked?

I missed where the study said that they couldn't afford "healthy food".  If it's in there, I retract my statement and apologize for the grievous harm it caused.

They can afford to eat crap for 25 days out of the month and then they go hungry. They are obese because they eat crap. Is that hard to comprehend?


It's so easy to be judgemental when you've never known hunger. I have, and to feed my kids on less than ten dollars for the week, I could buy a couple of packages of cheap hotdogs and a loaf of bread. If I limited myself to one a night, the boys could eat their fill. I didn't have the transportation to get to the food pantry and "made too much" for foodstamps at that time because my ex decided to pay child support for the first time in 7 years the month before. Until you've had to look at your hungry kids in the face and tell them "no more food" kindly shut the fark up about the poorz and their shiatty nutrition.
 
2014-03-27 12:44:25 PM  

Deedeemarz: They have high obesity rates among the poor. Crappy food is cheaper than good food (or so they think). What they really need to do is teach these people that healthy food can be bought for cheap and restrict junk food items that can be bought with entitlements. If for some reason people cannot qualify for entitlements, social services should do a better job of connecting people with community resources to help them: food banks and other resources can really help out. This should help the people who truly have issues obtaining enough food to get what they need. The resources are out there but many people don't know how to access them or how to manage their limited resources to get the most bang for their buck.


Thanks for the patronizing analysis. Where were you when I had less than $10 a week to feed my boys. I sure could have used your brilliant insights then.
 
2014-03-27 12:44:31 PM  

dittybopper: squirrelflavoredyogurt: CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..

As the article pointed out, because the cheap food is the high carb food that has little nutritional value but lots of calories. Science is really really hard, I know, but you should really look into it.

Many of the poor people in the US have the highest obesity rates, this has been known for years and it's because of the reason I pointed out. It's more fun to feel superior to poor and fat people though, right?

The implication of the headline that people might starve because they "can't afford food".

Which is bullshiat, because they are getting enough calories.  More than enough, in fact.

Now it might not be healthiest kind of food, but it is food that will keep you from starving.  And if you go hungry for a day or two or three at the end of the month, well, that's what fat is for:  To store calories to bridge the gap between meals when times are hard.

I'm not going to get worked up about a fat person talking about how they don't have much to eat for a couple of days until they get their check*.

And I say that as a fat person.

Now, you show me a gaunt person who is obviously suffering from malnutrition due to lack of caloric intake that isn't voluntary, and we'll talk.

*Payroll or welfare, doesn't matter


So your position is screw the health and well being of poor people because we make sure they have enough calories to stay alive. They don't need any proper nutrition, they don't need to be healthy.

We subsidize the cheap crappy food they eat which barely keeps them alive. Why not subsidize healthier food? Why not provide free seeds and garden plots and let them grow some of their own food? The model your championing, is the least efficient and worst system in terms of cost to nutrition. You suggestion keeps them poor. If you don't eat right you don't perform as well mentally or physically. Want chance do they ever have to get off welfare if all you eat is the bare minimum of what you need to survive?

I keep hearing about how Republicans want to have smaller government, but it's Mississippi that requires personal interviews, the least amount of money actually goes to the recipient there as opposed to states that handle it better.

FTA: "The average SNAP recipient in Mississippi  , whereas residents in Hawaii, for example, get more than $7 a day, according to the USDA." So it's government waste at the state level that is the main problem.

Your "poor people don't deserve to eat better in the richest country in the world" argument is the typical Republican "feel good" solution though. Just watch Fox, they're all cheating the system and eating lobster.
 
2014-03-27 12:44:43 PM  
I think it's safe to say nobody here is going to be splitting the atom, marty.
 
2014-03-27 12:48:33 PM  
I watched this the other night.  It was very enlightening.  Sadly those that blame the poor for being poor are not likely to seek out knowledge about how the poor live, and they are the ones that need to see it the most.
 
2014-03-27 12:49:27 PM  

Deedeemarz: squirrelflavoredyogurt: CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..

As the article pointed out, because the cheap food is the high carb food that has little nutritional value but lots of calories. Science is really really hard, I know, but you should really look into it.

Many of the poor people in the US have the highest obesity rates, this has been known for years and it's because of the reason I pointed out. It's more fun to feel superior to poor and fat people though, right?

We need to teach them that it is possible to eat healthy on a very limited budget. My elderly patients are frequently very poor and with limited funds; they are obese and eat diets that contribute to their chronic health problems. The first step in correcting these problems is teaching them how to eat healthier on their budget; I imagine that the obese poor are in a similar situation. Education regarding diet and budgeting might go a long way in helping them; maybe include this as a requirement in order to obtain SNAP or other food assistance. Just a thought.


That sounds like a very good part to the solution, but we could do much better. We currently subsidize cheap, low nutrition, high calorie foods. Why not subsidize fruits and vegetables? Why not provide fruits and veggies as part of the system? The article mentions that there is a huge difference in terms of how much aid people get just because of the inefficiency of the state who runs it. Four dollars in Mississippi is seven in Hawaii.

Change needs to come, but suggesting that all the change needs to happen on the side of the recipient ignores much of the problem.
 
2014-03-27 12:50:22 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


What's Obama have to do with Mississippi? The federal government does fund some programs in the states, but there's only so much you can do when the constitutionally antonymous governments of your provinces deliberately aim at being shiatholes for the sake of robbing everyone but the rich to make the rich richer.

What Mississippi -and Louisiana, and Texas, and lots of Southern States- highlights isn't the failures of Obama's administration, but the central flaw in our federal Constitution. If the States had less authority and stuff like Education and Healthcare were centralized in Union-wide programs funded and administered to the same standards, the US would be in a much better place. As it stands, State, county, and local govs can undercut Federal initiatives through both misappropriation and bald-faced recalcitrance(the insurance exchange and medicare expansion rollouts are a good recent example).

Similarly, cutting State governments out of stuff like Highway and Housing funding and maintenance would cut down on a buttload of political corruption in the US, since distributing those contracts play a big part in State-gov largesse, in Texas at least.
 
2014-03-27 12:54:19 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Deedeemarz: squirrelflavoredyogurt: CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..

As the article pointed out, because the cheap food is the high carb food that has little nutritional value but lots of calories. Science is really really hard, I know, but you should really look into it.

Many of the poor people in the US have the highest obesity rates, this has been known for years and it's because of the reason I pointed out. It's more fun to feel superior to poor and fat people though, right?

We need to teach them that it is possible to eat healthy on a very limited budget. My elderly patients are frequently very poor and with limited funds; they are obese and eat diets that contribute to their chronic health problems. The first step in correcting these problems is teaching them how to eat healthier on their budget; I imagine that the obese poor are in a similar situation. Education regarding diet and budgeting might go a long way in helping them; maybe include this as a requirement in order to obtain SNAP or other food assistance. Just a thought.

That sounds like a very good part to the solution, but we could do much better. We currently subsidize cheap, low nutrition, high calorie foods. Why not subsidize fruits and vegetables? Why not provide fruits and veggies as part of the system? The article mentions that there is a huge difference in terms of how much aid people get just because of the inefficiency of the state who runs it. Four dollars in Mississippi is seven in Hawaii.

Change needs to come, but suggesting that all the change needs to happen on the side of the recipient ignores much of the problem.


Good questions, but good luck getting the Republicans to play ball. Hell, just this year they almost killed farm subsidies entirely, a move I can't imagine their ag-backers like Monsanto liked, just to take food out of the mouths of poor kids on SNAP. As long as the Republican party has a part to play in US Federal politics(and State politics too, since they can hamstring implementation from there), we won't be doing any significant reforms on the federal policy level, and that's a fact.
 
2014-03-27 12:56:18 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: FLMountainMan: TheDirtyNacho: Mrs.Sharpier: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/maps-of-the-south-bad-place_ n _4855191.html

The south is an absolute hell hole. I would fully support an anarchist revolt against the government there. When Obama meddles in the affairs of the world, other world leaders should just point at Mississippi and laugh at him. I wouldn't be surprised if illegal immigrants there turn around and go right back to Mexico.


I live in Texas, and I enjoy it for it is a beautiful place with friendly people, but I would not want to be poor here.

We don't have any state income tax, which is attractive to many - but that also means that social services are almost non-existent.  Ditto to things like public transportation.  If you are poor, or worse, elderly and poor, life is difficult.

It also has one of the lowest unemployment rates and costs of living.  I'd rather dig a ditch in Texas than suckle the government teat in a frozen hellhole like Minnesota.  Cali wouldn't be bad though...I could definitely suckle some teats there.

Except that once again you'd be completely farking wrong, as Minnesota pays more in taxes than it gets from the government and Texas takes more federal money than it pays in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/republican-states-most-depe nd ent-government_n_5035877.html

So apparently, you'd rather suckle the government teat and be poor, hot, and miserable than be cold. We have coats you know, and gloves, and hats. We do tend to make fun of people who aren't educated and like to speak their minds about how to fix things, so maybe you wouldn't fit in.


But apparently they don't teach you to read or use your brain there. See where one of the main points of his post was lower unemployment rates? Means he could more likely get an actual JOB in Texas and thar is preferable to him than living on assistance.
 
2014-03-27 12:57:39 PM  
Federal expenditures transfers money from well-educated productive northern states to southern states, thus maintaining one national currency and keeping us from worry about invasion from hungry southerners.

/cause what could be funnier than hunger
 
2014-03-27 12:58:06 PM  

CruJones: Yet it's also one of the fattest states..


Interesting, to be sure.

Perhaps Farkistan could come up with a modest proposal to solve their little "hunger" problem.
 
2014-03-27 12:59:46 PM  
The obvious solution is to cut SNAP benefits by billions of dollars.

/pathetically even Obama signed on to do exactly that
//fark poor, hungry people... this is America! fark yeah!
 
2014-03-27 01:05:40 PM  

This text is now purple: LordJiro: Except that the cheapest food is also the shiattiest.

In terms of most fattening or least nutritious? Because I don't see foie gras on many fast food menus.


Junk food, by its definition, is fattening and nutritionally bereft. You can become a lardass very quickly eating empty carbs and it doesn't cost much. But you can be malnourished at the same time, which makes it more difficult to lose excess fat and easier to get sick.
 
2014-03-27 01:06:08 PM  

gadian: Healthy foods require a larger upfront cost for a family.  It's great if you have the seed money for a healthy meal you can eat off of for a few days, but if you only have a few dollars at a time, you're never going to be able to afford the initial investment in the healthy meal because you're going to have to eat while you're saving money for that healthy food.

You're talking three or four dollars per vegetable per pound, three or four dollars for a family sized bag of rice, maybe seven for a whole chicken, at least in my area.  That might feed a family for a few days.  So you need the $20 to spend for the meal, which is great if you ever have $20 at one time.  Some families never do and need dollar menu crap to get by,


Health food for the truly impoverished begins with beans, rice, and maybe eggs and some seasoning. Nome of those items cost much over a dollar in bulk. The true cost comes down to time in preparation and, "waaah, where's mah meat?"
 
2014-03-27 01:07:26 PM  

elysive: gadian: Healthy foods require a larger upfront cost for a family.  It's great if you have the seed money for a healthy meal you can eat off of for a few days, but if you only have a few dollars at a time, you're never going to be able to afford the initial investment in the healthy meal because you're going to have to eat while you're saving money for that healthy food.

You're talking three or four dollars per vegetable per pound, three or four dollars for a family sized bag of rice, maybe seven for a whole chicken, at least in my area.  That might feed a family for a few days.  So you need the $20 to spend for the meal, which is great if you ever have $20 at one time.  Some families never do and need dollar menu crap to get by,

Health food for the truly impoverished begins with beans, rice, and maybe eggs and some seasoning. Nome of those items cost much over a dollar in bulk. The true cost comes down to time in preparation and, "waaah, where's mah meat?"


Much like those who keep long term storage of food (preppers, mormons, etc). If all you have and eat are those ingredients, you are going to grow tired of them very quickly.
 
2014-03-27 01:09:48 PM  
Interesting, according to the CDC Mississippi is ranked # 1 in obesity in the United States.
 
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