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2014-03-27 09:24:44 AM
...because a lot of folks have realized that he's unhinged and operating under the delusional premise that reality will simply conform to his thoughts, and that facts will simply step aside for his tiny brain and enormous ego?

Well, and this...

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-03-27 09:34:02 AM
There is no viable Left in the U.S. Subby.
 
2014-03-27 09:35:18 AM
tl;dr:: Boo hoo, libertarians are so unappreciated.
 
2014-03-27 10:25:19 AM
Sometimes if you piss off both sides it's because you're telling a truth that neither side wants to admit.

But other times it's because you're so terrible that even people who reflexively disagree with each other still get together to recognize that you suck. Rand is the latter.
 
2014-03-27 10:26:04 AM
Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Also, he is really no different from any other mouth breathing teabagger, other than the military stuff.
 
2014-03-27 10:36:21 AM

OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Also, he is really no different from any other mouth breathing teabagger, other than the military stuff.


As long as libertarians continue to have the stink of the GOP/Teabaggers all over them, they will be associated with them.
 
2014-03-27 10:37:00 AM
"I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court."

-Rand Paul, March 6, 2013

"If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him."

-Rand Paul, April 22, 2013
 
2014-03-27 10:42:55 AM
The author should just suck Rand's dick and get it over with
 
2014-03-27 10:45:39 AM
From the author's bio page: "Nick Gillespie is the editor in chief of Reason.com and the co-author The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong with America."
So that explains a lot.
 
2014-03-27 10:45:49 AM

OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?


Because the difference between the two categories is pretty much entirely cosmetic?
 
2014-03-27 10:52:12 AM

odinsposse: Sometimes if you piss off both sides it's because you're telling a truth that neither side wants to admit.

But other times it's because you're so terrible that even people who reflexively disagree with each other still get together to recognize that you suck. Rand is the latter.


Or, you're one of the the people unwilling to admit a truth in the former.
 
2014-03-27 10:54:27 AM

odinsposse: Sometimes if you piss off both sides it's because you're telling a truth that neither side wants to admit.

But other times it's because you're so terrible that even people who reflexively disagree with each other still get together to recognize that you suck. Rand is the latter.


RANDPAUL, picking carefully over the philosophies of confederates, libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, and conservatives, managed to combine them in such a way as to take the benefits of none of them.

Nothing of the spirit of union in a confederacy, none of the benefits of government possible in libertarianism (not to be confused with the "fark-you-ism" that seems to be dominating libertarians these days), none of the "business-sense" of the GOP (1950s-era), none of the Democratic Party's diversity, and none of the wisdom of ages conservatism claims.

// and he'll be damned if he'll take anything from an accursed liberal
 
2014-03-27 11:01:36 AM

2wolves: There is no viable Left in the U.S. Subby.
                -Rand Paul



FTFY
 
2014-03-27 11:11:26 AM

hubiestubert: ...because a lot of folks have realized that he's unhinged and operating under the delusional premise that reality will simply conform to his thoughts, and that facts will simply step aside for his tiny brain and enormous ego?


In other words, your typical Libertarian Ayndroid.
 
2014-03-27 11:12:10 AM

odinsposse: Sometimes if you piss off both sides it's because you're telling a truth that neither side wants to admit.


Or, that you're just a butthole.
 
2014-03-27 11:15:11 AM

sprawl15: "I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important, that your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court."

-Rand Paul, March 6, 2013

"If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him."

-Rand Paul, April 22, 2013


I see what you did there....

/and I love it!
 
2014-03-27 11:17:49 AM
Gee I wonder why? Maybe because is largely running on the same tired platform his father has used for about 12 years now that has never gained any traction.
 
2014-03-27 11:33:43 AM
Why is it that every mindless douche who can't think for themselves but feel the need to have an opinion always seems to be a rabid Rand Paul supporter?
 
2014-03-27 11:42:18 AM

Skarekrough: Why is it that every mindless douche who can't think for themselves but feel the need to have an opinion always seems to be a rabid Rand Paul supporter?


Easy.

Rand points out negative things about both parties and says he won't do any of those things. He has no plan on things he WOULD do (none that make any sense). He's a Monday morning quarterback talking about how HE would have won the game if he was in charge.

Smart people see right through it. Dumb people assume he is a genius who could pull it off.
 
2014-03-27 11:43:06 AM

Skarekrough: Why is it that every mindless douche who can't think for themselves but feel the need to have an opinion always seems to be a rabid Rand Paul supporter?


You see, it's because they're so smart, and, edgy... and cool. and you all are just sheeple. sheeple, man, sheeple.you need to wake up. and you probably jsut don't uderstand anyway. er, yah
 
2014-03-27 11:59:21 AM
Seriously, we need an article to explain why this guy is such a dipshiat, and why his ideas or his possible Presidency would be a total disaster?
 
2014-03-27 12:06:45 PM
I am sure eye doctors (even those dubiously accredited by the organization they had a hand in starting) are smart and in the aggregate intelligent people.  RAND PAUL learned about law and economics at the feet of RON PAUL, another medical doctor.  The man is an ignorant cursed with perceived righteousness.  You can tell by his rhetoric he only has an eight-grade understanding of American government. As a native Kentuckian I apologize for unleashing him on the American populace.

/The man is a jackass and needs to go back to the land of Rick "Yosemite Sam" Perry
 
2014-03-27 12:07:50 PM

SpectroBoy: Skarekrough: Why is it that every mindless douche who can't think for themselves but feel the need to have an opinion always seems to be a rabid Rand Paul supporter?

Easy.

Rand points out negative things about both parties and says he won't do any of those things. He has no plan on things he WOULD do (none that make any sense). He's a Monday morning quarterback talking about how HE would have won the game if he was in charge.


IOW, your average Farker.
 
2014-03-27 12:11:43 PM

odinsposse: Sometimes if you piss off both sides it's because you're telling a truth that neither side wants to admit.

But other times it's because you're so terrible that even people who reflexively disagree with each other still get together to recognize that you suck. Rand is the latter.


Pretty much. And as someone who finds l/Libertarianism laughable on every level he really does them a huge disservice misrepresenting their already poorly defined philosophy as his brand of neo-Confederalism.
 
2014-03-27 12:12:50 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: odinsposse: Sometimes if you piss off both sides it's because you're telling a truth that neither side wants to admit.

But other times it's because you're so terrible that even people who reflexively disagree with each other still get together to recognize that you suck. Rand is the latter.

Pretty much. And as someone who finds l/Libertarianism laughable on every level he really does them a huge disservice in my eyesmisrepresenting their already poorly defined philosophy as his brand of neo-Confederalism.


Implied but I really should put more effort to be clear into posting
 
2014-03-27 12:17:11 PM

UndeadPoetsSociety: OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Because the difference between the two categories is pretty much entirely cosmetic?


Nah they are pretty incompatible. Randy feels that the state level of government should be supreme and that the Supremacy Clause is totally lame so he ignores its existence.

Libertarians range from thinking state governments need to be restrained as much as the Federal government etc. to feeling that any government at all is an imposition on personal liberty (don't deny you have structural anarchists going to your party meetings libertarians, not that I'm saying you're all anarchists).
/knows IRL anarchist activists... they're interesting at least
 
2014-03-27 12:35:46 PM

sugar_fetus: SpectroBoy: Skarekrough: Why is it that every mindless douche who can't think for themselves but feel the need to have an opinion always seems to be a rabid Rand Paul supporter?

Easy.

Rand points out negative things about both parties and says he won't do any of those things. He has no plan on things he WOULD do (none that make any sense). He's a Monday morning quarterback talking about how HE would have won the game if he was in charge.

IOW, your average Farker.



There are certainly plenty of dumbFarks here, but there are also some insightful individuals. Once and a while while reading fark I stumble across an idea that is really interesting. Kind of a mixed bag.
 
2014-03-27 12:39:03 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: UndeadPoetsSociety: OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Because the difference between the two categories is pretty much entirely cosmetic?

Nah they are pretty incompatible. Randy feels that the state level of government should be supreme and that the Supremacy Clause is totally lame so he ignores its existence.


I'm referring not to their theological posturings but to the practical outcome of their voting habits and policy proposals.  The Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church insist that they're very different on a number of theological points, but none of them matter on the ground if your a woman, or gay, or want to use contraception, etc.  From where I stand, as a queer atheist, there is no meaningful difference between the two groups.  Likewise with libertarians and neo-confederates.  They push functionally equivalent policies, which, in practice, lead to increases in poverty, ignorance, and bigotry, and all the negative effects on everyone's lives that stem therefrom, so I don't consider their theological differences significant.

Libertarians range from thinking state governments need to be restrained as much as the Federal government etc. to feeling that any government at all is an imposition on personal liberty (don't deny you have structural anarchists going to your party meetings libertarians, not that I'm saying you're all anarchists).
/knows IRL anarchist activists... they're interesting at least


Anarcho-capitalists are a very small, and very silly, subset of anarchism.  Just saying.
 
2014-03-27 12:40:21 PM
I keep looking for "self-aggrandizing douche".
 
2014-03-27 12:43:52 PM
More "Rand Paul is a social moderate" bullshiat. He is not. He is an ultraconservative who thinks laws should be made based on religious beliefs that trump individual rights.
 
2014-03-27 01:26:02 PM

OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Also, he is really no different from any other mouth breathing teabagger, other than the military stuff.


I love how you guys latch on to terms without having a clue what they mean.
 
2014-03-27 01:28:41 PM

hubiestubert: ...because a lot of folks have realized that he's unhinged and operating under the delusional premise that reality will simply conform to his thoughts, and that facts will simply step aside for his tiny brain and enormous ego?

Well, and this...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 512x640]


I have got to get around to reading that.  Kindle'd it a few weeks ago.

(Please don't hate me because I haven't read it yet)
 
2014-03-27 01:29:24 PM
With this broken and corrupt two-party system filled with partisan hypocrisy, I've come to find out that if you manage to piss off both the left and right of American politics, you're probably doing the correct thing.
 
2014-03-27 01:36:27 PM

Deftoons: With this broken and corrupt two-party system filled with partisan hypocrisy, I've come to find out that if you manage to piss off both the left and right of American politics, you're probably doing the correct thing.


What, like Fred Phelps?
 
2014-03-27 01:38:40 PM

WickerNipple: Deftoons: With this broken and corrupt two-party system filled with partisan hypocrisy, I've come to find out that if you manage to piss off both the left and right of American politics, you're probably doing the correct thing.

What, like Fred Phelps?


You don't think the far right would agree with him?
 
2014-03-27 01:44:31 PM

Corvus: More "Rand Paul is a social moderate" bullshiat. He is not. He is an ultraconservative who thinks laws should be made based on religious beliefs that trump individual rights.


I can't believe how Libertarians love this prick. He's got ALL KINDS of ideas on how everyone else should be required to run their lives.
 
2014-03-27 01:48:26 PM
So you're saying he's bipartisan!
 
2014-03-27 01:55:26 PM

UndeadPoetsSociety: I'm referring not to their theological posturings but to the practical outcome of their voting habits and policy proposals.  The Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church insist that they're very different on a number of theological points, but none of them matter on the ground if your a woman, or gay, or want to use contraception, etc.  From where I stand, as a queer atheist, there is no meaningful difference between the two groups.  Likewise with libertarians and neo-confederates.  They push functionally equivalent policies, which, in practice, lead to increases in poverty, ignorance, and bigotry, and all the negative effects on everyone's lives that stem therefrom, so I don't consider their theological differences significant.


Fair enough :) I figure we should document the path of the illogic of each "philosophy" though.

Anarcho-capitalists are a very small, and very silly, subset of anarchism.  Just saying.

They seem to be overly represented online then.
 
2014-03-27 02:05:26 PM
Crotchrocket Slim:

Anarcho-capitalists are a very small, and very silly, subset of anarchism.  Just saying.

They seem to be overly represented online then.


Libertarians of every stripe are overly represented online.  They're very, very noisy and they love love love the internet.  This is probably because libertarianism is disproportionately popular among engineers, programmers, web designers and other computer-oriented types.
 
2014-03-27 02:09:48 PM

SpectroBoy: Corvus: More "Rand Paul is a social moderate" bullshiat. He is not. He is an ultraconservative who thinks laws should be made based on religious beliefs that trump individual rights.

I can't believe how Libertarians love this prick. He's got ALL KINDS of ideas on how everyone else should be required to run their lives.


I'm a libertarian and I don't "love" Rand.  I'm a Gary Johnson guy.  However, he's pushing to make some libertarian changes on many issues that I feel the rest of our governing body is ignoring, so I'm happy about that, at least.
 
2014-03-27 02:50:45 PM

SpectroBoy: Corvus: More "Rand Paul is a social moderate" bullshiat. He is not. He is an ultraconservative who thinks laws should be made based on religious beliefs that trump individual rights.

I can't believe how Libertarians love this prick. He's got ALL KINDS of ideas on how everyone else should be required to run their lives.


He's not a libertarian, but he is closer than most people in politics are. I agree though, his social positions are a bit tough to swallow.
 
2014-03-27 02:52:04 PM

whosits_112: 2wolves: There is no viable Left in the U.S. Subby.
                -Rand Paul


FTFY


Bears Repeating.

-Paul Rand
 
2014-03-27 02:54:39 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: UndeadPoetsSociety: OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Because the difference between the two categories is pretty much entirely cosmetic?

Nah they are pretty incompatible. Randy feels that the state level of government should be supreme and that the Supremacy Clause is totally lame so he ignores its existence.


Its hard to support the Supremacy Clause while the fed ignores the 10th amendment...
 
2014-03-27 02:59:07 PM

Deftoons: WickerNipple: Deftoons: With this broken and corrupt two-party system filled with partisan hypocrisy, I've come to find out that if you manage to piss off both the left and right of American politics, you're probably doing the correct thing.

What, like Fred Phelps?

You don't think the far right would agree with him?


Not as long as he kept attacking veterans.

You think the far left doesn't agree with Rand on the tiny subset of socially libertarian ideals he actually holds?

Let's be real here, ACTUAL LIBERALS already stood for everything Rand Paul grabs headlines for, and nobody pays attention to them because our pro-corporate media only gives airtime to someone willing throw it ALL away in a heartbeat for more tax cuts and corporate handouts.   But hey, these are the same people who declared Kentucky to be "more free" than New York because of New York's evil "regulations" and "taxes."  Because fark marriage equality, religious freedom (for non christians), women's rights, or the ability to vote, the only thing that matters is that Duke Energy can dump toxic waste into the river.

Rand Paul is just another Republican drone who wears a "rebel" mask whenever he can use it to screech about how wicked and big-government the black democrat in the white house is.
 
2014-03-27 02:59:51 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: From the author's bio page: "Nick Gillespie is the editor in chief of Reason.com and the co-author The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong with America."
So that explains a lot.


Don't forget: 'fix' doesn't just mean 'repair'. It also means to set the thing securely in place. Their political philosophies are what is wrong with America, they can't even stand its currency, and they intend to set in stone their terrible ideas for the whole country permanently.
 
2014-03-27 03:04:39 PM

UndeadPoetsSociety: Crotchrocket Slim: UndeadPoetsSociety: OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Because the difference between the two categories is pretty much entirely cosmetic?

Nah they are pretty incompatible. Randy feels that the state level of government should be supreme and that the Supremacy Clause is totally lame so he ignores its existence.

I'm referring not to their theological posturings but to the practical outcome of their voting habits and policy proposals.  The Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church insist that they're very different on a number of theological points, but none of them matter on the ground if your a woman, or gay, or want to use contraception, etc.  From where I stand, as a queer atheist, there is no meaningful difference between the two groups.  Likewise with libertarians and neo-confederates.  They push functionally equivalent policies, which, in practice, lead to increases in poverty, ignorance, and bigotry, and all the negative effects on everyone's lives that stem therefrom, so I don't consider their theological differences significant.

Libertarians range from thinking state governments need to be restrained as much as the Federal government etc. to feeling that any government at all is an imposition on personal liberty (don't deny you have structural anarchists going to your party meetings libertarians, not that I'm saying you're all anarchists).
/knows IRL anarchist activists... they're interesting at least

Anarcho-capitalists are a very small, and very silly, subset of anarchism.  Just saying.


But they all pretty much agree that the ONLY goal that will get pursued on those rare occasions they win is to cut taxes, cut regulation, and cut social spending.  They'll talk a social liberty game, sometimes, but never get around to it when they have the chance to do something.
 
2014-03-27 03:54:36 PM
TFA: Only the nosferatu pundits at The New York Times and other journalistic glory holes for the Establishment can even stomach the prospect of a Hillary Clinton-Jeb Bush showdown in 2016.

I lol'd.
 
2014-03-27 05:11:24 PM
Deftoons:

I'm a libertarian and I don't "love" Rand.  I'm a Gary Johnson guy.  However, he's pushing to make some libertarian changes on many issues that I feel the rest of our governing body is ignoring, so I'm happy about that, at least.


  Ditto that -
- but I don't consider Rand a Libertarian. He may have some things he's in agreement with the party on, but that doesn't make him a Libertarian any more than some of his other beliefs (or stated ones anyway) make him conservative or liberal...
 
2014-03-27 05:31:52 PM

EWreckedSean: Crotchrocket Slim: UndeadPoetsSociety: OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Because the difference between the two categories is pretty much entirely cosmetic?

Nah they are pretty incompatible. Randy feels that the state level of government should be supreme and that the Supremacy Clause is totally lame so he ignores its existence.

Its hard to support the Supremacy Clause while the fed ignores the 10th amendment...


The 10th Amendment only applies to things not already defined in US Constitution, try again Internet GED in Law holder.
 
2014-03-27 06:20:20 PM

EWreckedSean: Crotchrocket Slim: UndeadPoetsSociety: OneTimed: Why does a neo- confederate like RAND PAUL continue to be tied with Libertarianism?

Because the difference between the two categories is pretty much entirely cosmetic?

Nah they are pretty incompatible. Randy feels that the state level of government should be supreme and that the Supremacy Clause is totally lame so he ignores its existence.

Its hard to support the Supremacy Clause while the fed ignores the 10th amendment...


I see two wrong make a right?

No they don't ignore the 10th amendment it just doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
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