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(Forbes)   Here's what the Major League Baseball teams are currently worth. Apparently, the Marlins are worth a half-eaten cheeseburger and a few bits of string   (forbes.com) divider line 45
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2014-03-27 09:06:07 AM  
 
2014-03-27 09:40:13 AM  

bearded clamorer: Deslided full list


Thank you, sir.

There is a huge difference between the lower half and upper half. Too bad they don't share revenue to even the playing field.
 
2014-03-27 10:27:45 AM  

Nadie_AZ: bearded clamorer: Deslided full list

Thank you, sir.

There is a huge difference between the lower half and upper half. Too bad they don't share revenue to even the playing field.


I see the Dodgers running at an $80million loss, the Yankees at $9million.... why should the other owners reward them for their irresponsible payroll policies?

It's interesting to see some of those teams operating at a profit, some quite healthy. Even the lowly Rays are operating at a decent profit.
 
2014-03-27 10:32:10 AM  
FTFA: In 2013, the Red Sox captured their eighth World Series since 2004,

Funny, I don't remember the Red Sox winning 8 of the last 9 WS.

Yankees aren't too profitable.
 
2014-03-27 10:33:18 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Too bad they don't share revenue to even the playing field.


They do but it's pretty half-assed. Nowhere near like what the NFL does.
 
2014-03-27 10:36:57 AM  
Any bidness savvy types want to 'splain how the Mariners rank so high?
 
2014-03-27 10:42:19 AM  
LesserEvil:  Even the lowly Rays are operating at a decent profit.

The Tampa Bay Rays are the best run organization in Major League Baseball.
 
2014-03-27 10:44:03 AM  
Soooo investing more capital in your team makes them competitive AND inflates the bottom line?

Stupid evil Yankees. Being evil and stuff. How do they get all that money, anyway? Sweat shops?
 
2014-03-27 10:51:23 AM  
The Houston Astros seem to be the most depressing team to me on that list. 28th in value $500 million?

They have a beautiful ballpark (the juicebox) in the perfect part of town.
We used to go there on the weekends to sold out crowds of 46k+ and now people cant give tickets away.
Attendance has dropped to ~20k and they dont stand a chance in the American League

Is it that hard to build a team around quality pitching from a well developed farm system?
NOPE! If this list teaches us anything it is let us go throw $100 million dollar contracts at random juiced superstars!
 
2014-03-27 10:53:37 AM  

Tad_Waxpole: LesserEvil:  Even the lowly Rays are operating at a decent profit.

The Tampa Bay Rays are the best run organization in Major League Baseball.


That what happens when you have a hedge fund wizard as an owner..
 
2014-03-27 10:54:55 AM  

MFAWG: Any bidness savvy types want to 'splain how the Mariners rank so high?


FTA: new local television deals for the ... Seattle Mariners ($2.5 billion, 18 years) begin this season
 
2014-03-27 11:02:15 AM  

smerfnablin: The Houston Astros seem to be the most depressing team to me on that list. 28th in value $500 million?

They have a beautiful ballpark (the juicebox) in the perfect part of town.
We used to go there on the weekends to sold out crowds of 46k+ and now people cant give tickets away.
Attendance has dropped to ~20k and they dont stand a chance in the American League

Is it that hard to build a team around quality pitching from a well developed farm system?
NOPE! If this list teaches us anything it is let us go throw $100 million dollar contracts at random juiced superstars!


That's about the only team that made me do a double take.

Figured it would be pretty high based on market size.
 
2014-03-27 11:05:46 AM  
I believe that these highly successful and famous sports franchises are as unprofitable as major hollywood blockbusters. I mean, those ALL lose money too, right? It says right there on the accounting sheet.
 
2014-03-27 11:10:05 AM  
bearded clamorer, you are a winner.
 
2014-03-27 11:15:28 AM  
If I remember correctly, the Brewers current tv contract is over in a year or two. I wonder how the new deal, which I have not looked up recently, will change that rank.
 
2014-03-27 11:34:47 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Nadie_AZ: Too bad they don't share revenue to even the playing field.

They do but it's pretty half-assed. Nowhere near like what the NFL does.


I wouldn't call it half-assed at all.. it's actually pretty robust considering how baseball is set up, unless what you're looking for is straight up communism. It's also a mistake to directly compare it to the NFL, which gets the vast majority of its money from national broadcast deals (which by necessity must be split evenly), whereas MLB gets a considerably larger chunk from local/regional deals (national money is split evenly, local money is mostly retained by the individual teams, but a sliding scale of it is shared with the haves paying a tax to the have-nots).

grinding_journalist: I believe that these highly successful and famous sports franchises are as unprofitable as major hollywood blockbusters. I mean, those ALL lose money too, right? It says right there on the accounting sheet.


There's definitely shenanigans going on; not nefarious book-cooking, but how income and loss is reported. For example yes, the Yankees -as a team- are losing money, but the ownership entity is quite profitable.

I have no idea how the Marlins are operating at a loss, though. If they made a list purely by operating expenditure, I'd be willing to bet they'd be bottom of the list easy, even below Houston.
 
2014-03-27 11:37:12 AM  

roc6783: If I remember correctly, the Brewers current tv contract is over in a year or two. I wonder how the new deal, which I have not looked up recently, will change that rank.


I know viewership has gone way up since their playoff run. Should be interesting. Their attendance always seems to be around 3 million too.
 
2014-03-27 11:37:30 AM  

Tad_Waxpole: The Tampa Bay Rays are the best run organization in Major League Baseball.


I would agree and say the As are pretty close, too. It's a shame they're also the two franchises most prime for relocation, as both play in the two worst venues in the league and Tampa has a horrid fanbase.
 
2014-03-27 11:40:39 AM  
..also, Cleveland is looking for a new stadium? Why? The Jake is only 20 years old.

Do you know who throws away perfectly good 20 year old stadiums? Atlanta.

Don't be Atlanta.
 
2014-03-27 11:51:37 AM  
The average household rating for White Sox telecasts on Comcast SportsNet Chicago tumbled 45% in 2013, to 1.14, the second lowest in baseball.

...

I guess we really are poor fans. I don't think I watched more than two games last season, and I haven't gone to one in two years. I blame the fact that I now have two kids and we only have one TV on the former, but I could have easily (and cheaply) gone to a few games.

I'll do better this year, Jerry!
 
2014-03-27 11:56:04 AM  

LesserEvil: It's interesting to see some of those teams operating at a profit, some quite healthy. Even the lowly Rays are operating at a decent profit.


I was honestly suprised to see the Mets turned a profit last year. The Mets could have nearly doubled their income last year if they weren't still paying for Bobby Bonilla.

That man (or his agent/financial adviser more likely) is a genius. Out of baseball for well over a decade but gets paid more than a few people on the current roster. That's foresight.
 
2014-03-27 11:59:45 AM  
TFA: In 2013, the Red Sox captured their eighth World Series since 2004

You'd think with a dynasty like that, they would be the most valuable team.

/Great proof-reading there, Forbes.
 
2014-03-27 12:08:30 PM  
I wish the article delved into how the jays operate with Rogers in a comparable financial aspect

...please don't suck this year.
 
2014-03-27 12:11:31 PM  

thecpt: ..please don't suck this year.


What's your standard for "don't suck"? Is it "not finish last in the AL East" or "finish ahead of at least the Astros and Twins".
I wouldn't hold my breath on the former this year.
 
2014-03-27 12:27:31 PM  

The Bestest: thecpt: ..please don't suck this year.

What's your standard for "don't suck"? Is it "not finish last in the AL East" or "finish ahead of at least the Astros and Twins".
I wouldn't hold my breath on the former this year.


Yup. That hurts. (Sigh) Damnit.

I think it's officially the 20th season since we've been in the playoffs. At least I'm setting a low enough bar this year
 
2014-03-27 12:27:49 PM  

smerfnablin: The Houston Astros seem to be the most depressing team to me on that list. 28th in value $500 million?

They have a beautiful ballpark (the juicebox) in the perfect part of town.
We used to go there on the weekends to sold out crowds of 46k+ and now people cant give tickets away.
Attendance has dropped to ~20k and they dont stand a chance in the American League

Is it that hard to build a team around quality pitching from a well developed farm system?
NOPE! If this list teaches us anything it is let us go throw $100 million dollar contracts at random juiced superstars!


And yet they have the second highest operating profit on that list.  Funny how that works.  The Astros problem isn't that they are a small market team that can't compete with the big boys.  Lots of small market teams can still go on to have success in modern day baseball (look at the Rays, for example).  The problem is that the Astros realized that it is more profitable to keep your team payroll under $30 million and just suck up the revenue sharing money.  The Astros main problem is that the ownership knows it can make more money sucking than putting a worthwhile team on the field.

The Bestest: ..also, Cleveland is looking for a new stadium? Why? The Jake is only 20 years old.

Do you know who throws away perfectly good 20 year old stadiums? Atlanta.

Don't be Atlanta.


It's apparently a vote to renew the tax to pay for maintenance.  It's also for all three stadiums (Cavs, Browns, and Indians) and not just the Jake.  So, not a new stadium, but maybe not something the city needs to be doing.
 
2014-03-27 12:29:57 PM  

LesserEvil: I see the Dodgers running at an $80million loss, the Yankees at $9million.... why should the other owners reward them for their irresponsible payroll policies?


That's pretty much the definition of an investment, right?  Lose some money now in hopes of making more later.  I would think a baseball team with a history of winning would be well-situated to make money over the long run, and apparently the Yankees have made a lot of money if they're first on the list.

I realize that's not the only way to make money, but it's probably more fun than owning a team that never wins.
 
2014-03-27 12:31:36 PM  

thecpt: The Bestest: thecpt: ..please don't suck this year.

What's your standard for "don't suck"? Is it "not finish last in the AL East" or "finish ahead of at least the Astros and Twins".
I wouldn't hold my breath on the former this year.

Yup. That hurts. (Sigh) Damnit.

I think it's officially the 20th season since we've been in the playoffs. At least I'm setting a low enough bar this year


The Jays aren't bad, they're just in a tough division.  They could probably finish third in every other division except the NL Central or AL West.  (The latter assumes that the Angels lineup contains valuable former all-stars and not washed-up power hitters.  We'll see if that's true)
 
2014-03-27 12:48:42 PM  

llortcM_yllort: thecpt: The Bestest: thecpt: ..please don't suck this year.

What's your standard for "don't suck"? Is it "not finish last in the AL East" or "finish ahead of at least the Astros and Twins".
I wouldn't hold my breath on the former this year.

Yup. That hurts. (Sigh) Damnit.

I think it's officially the 20th season since we've been in the playoffs. At least I'm setting a low enough bar this year

The Jays aren't bad, they're just in a tough division.  They could probably finish third in every other division except the NL Central or AL West.  (The latter assumes that the Angels lineup contains valuable former all-stars and not washed-up power hitters.  We'll see if that's true)


Last year they were bad. Like really bad. No excuses there. I long for them moving to some paradise like the al central, but that is not going to happen.

Anyways, hope that no one has a tumor this year, or doesn't almost die on the mound,...no WBC so lawrie is good, REYES! Stay farking healthy. Can we get him a designated hamstring stretcher? I love muney...buuuuut we need legit infielders. Hopefully Lind has stopped his side job as a personal moving company that hates back braces... And that leaves awww fark. McGowan and morrow, can you just get 200 innings in? For once?
 
2014-03-27 01:01:37 PM  
Rank in worth:
17. San Diego Padres
Current value: $615 million
Revenue (2013): $207 million
Operating Income (2013): $33.0 million

Rank in payroll:
26. $66,022,900

I'm so sick of hearing ownership talk about how the Padres are a small market club and can't spend money on players.
 
2014-03-27 01:09:32 PM  
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"Well nowadays a really blithering idiot can make anything up to ten thousand pounds a year - if he's the head of some big industrial combine. But of course, the more old-fashioned idiot still refuses to take money.   He takes bits of string, wood, dead budgerigars, sparrows, anything, but it does make the cashier's job very difficult; but of course they're fools to themselves because the rate of interest over ten years on a piece of moss or a dead vole is almost negligible."
 
2014-03-27 01:34:38 PM  
Not surprised to see the Orioles operating at a profit.  Angelos wouldn't have it any other way.  Of course the article makes sure to mention that his money grubbing with the Nationals as well.

I personally hate MASN.  Since I don't have cable, I can't watch any Orioles games so I can only listen to them on WBAL.
 
2014-03-27 02:04:34 PM  

llortcM_yllort: The problem is that the Astros realized that it is more profitable to keep your team payroll under $30 million and just suck up the revenue sharing money. The Astros main problem is that the ownership knows it can make more money sucking than putting a worthwhile team on the field.


The Astros were caught in a perfect storm of everyone getting old at once and having absolutely nothing in the farm system. They needed to go all-in and blow everything up to rebuild. It's not fair to lump them in with the Marlins and Pirates and company for at least another year or two.

It would have been a complete waste of time, money, and effort for the Astros to try to bring in win-now guys for this.
 
2014-03-27 02:15:52 PM  
ElwoodCuse:  It's not fair to lump them in with the Marlins and Pirates

?
 
2014-03-27 02:43:23 PM  
@headshot (sorry can't quote on phone). They have been drawing extremely well for several years. According to ESPN, in 2004, they were 20th in attendance, 18th in 05, 17th in 06, then from 07 to 2013, they haven't been lower than 16th and have been in the top 10 three times...in the smallest market in baseball. It's like the new ownership group realized that if they cared, fans might too. They may even show up to a few games. Fark the Selig family. (Which I only say because lots of other people do, and I read the history. I didn't really get into the Brewers until 2005, when my now wife and I moved in together. 3rd worst mistake she made was getting me back into being a sports fan. 1st and 2nd were having a kid with me and marrying me respectively.)
 
2014-03-27 02:49:06 PM  
The Mets are in the top 10? Bull farking shiat
 
2014-03-27 03:12:56 PM  

ManateeGag: The Mets are in the top 10? Bull farking shiat


Most of their value can probably be accounted for in real estate. The team itself sure isn't worth over $800mill at this point.
 
2014-03-27 03:17:12 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: ElwoodCuse:  It's not fair to lump them in with the Marlins and Pirates

?


You know, the current champs of "we don't need to win, we need to make money"
 
2014-03-27 03:22:58 PM  

Night Night Cream Puff: ManateeGag: The Mets are in the top 10? Bull farking shiat

Most of their value can probably be accounted for in real estate. The team itself sure isn't worth over $800mill at this point.


yeah, the Mets own Citi Field, and I imagine many of the other ballclubs that own their stadium would be in the top half
 
2014-03-27 03:49:32 PM  
After a bit of research, the vast majority of MLB teams play in city/county owned parks.

The Giants, Cards, Mets, Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees and Cubs own their stadiums, and the Jays' parent company owns theirs.

the Brewers and Padres share ownership of theirs with their respective cities.

The other 20 all play in public parks.

So yes, that's 1-5 and 8-9 on the list (Padres 17, Jays 18, Brewers 25.. Forbes likely did not factor in their ownership stake in their ballparks at all), which dovetails with my previous post rather nicely.
 
2014-03-27 04:14:42 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Agent Nick Fury: ElwoodCuse:  It's not fair to lump them in with the Marlins and Pirates

?

You know, the current champs of "we don't need to win, we need to make money"


The Marlins have one two World Series since the Dodgers or Braves won one and the Pirates made the playoffs last year.

I wouldn't lump Astros in with those two teams either but for different reasons than you.
 
2014-03-27 04:15:48 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: The Marlins have one two World Series since the Dodgers or Braves won one and the Pirates made the playoffs last year.


..and immediately nuked the team after both times
 
2014-03-27 04:18:23 PM  

The Bestest: Agent Nick Fury: The Marlins have one two World Series since the Dodgers or Braves won one and the Pirates made the playoffs last year.

..and immediately nuked the team after both times


Agree, but they won the World Series, twice, since a lot of teams have won any.

Tell Cub fans they are going to win two World Series in seven years but nuke the team after each one.

Tell 80% of all fans of professional teams the same thing and they would take it in a heartbeat.
 
2014-03-27 04:24:26 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Tell 80% of all fans of professional teams the same thing and they would take it in a heartbeat.


I would disagree. Oh, I no doubt believe some fans, particularly long-suffering ones -think- they would want that, but I think they would be miserable in the long run. Why do you think the Marlins have no fans (aside from "because Florida")?

Part of the joy of following a team is year-to-year familiarity. Sure there's always excitement for new faces, but not for total roster turnover like the Marlins do (repeatedly). You may as well be shipping in a different team from a different city.
 
2014-03-27 04:49:29 PM  

The Bestest: Agent Nick Fury: Tell 80% of all fans of professional teams the same thing and they would take it in a heartbeat.

I would disagree. Oh, I no doubt believe some fans, particularly long-suffering ones -think- they would want that, but I think they would be miserable in the long run. Why do you think the Marlins have no fans (aside from "because Florida")?

Part of the joy of following a team is year-to-year familiarity. Sure there's always excitement for new faces, but not for total roster turnover like the Marlins do (repeatedly). You may as well be shipping in a different team from a different city.


The Bestest: Agent Nick Fury: Tell 80% of all fans of professional teams the same thing and they would take it in a heartbeat.

I would disagree. Oh, I no doubt believe some fans, particularly long-suffering ones -think- they would want that, but I think they would be miserable in the long run. Why do you think the Marlins have no fans (aside from "because Florida")?

Part of the joy of following a team is year-to-year familiarity. Sure there's always excitement for new faces, but not for total roster turnover like the Marlins do (repeatedly). You may as well be shipping in a different team from a different city.


The Marlins is a team going into it's twentieth year.

There are no 80 year old Marlin fan bemoaning missing the year-to-year familiarity and anybody who is thirteen or older can remember their 'glory days'.

But even when they were winning those championships they had shiatty attendance just like the Rays do now even though they are competitive.

There is no other excuse except "because Florida".

The Astros have been a team for over fifty years and have done squat so to say it's somehow demeaning to include Houston in a group with the Marlins and the Pirates is demeaning to the latter, not the former.
 
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