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(WTOP)   Remember that UVA student who had her car swarmed by cops because she bought some water, and in her panic she grazed a couple of cops as she fled but the charges were dropped? Yeah, that's a payday that was just too tempting to give up   (wtop.com) divider line 186
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2014-03-26 11:05:40 PM
community.us.playstation.com
 
2014-03-27 12:47:28 AM
I hope she wins.

And finds out we're related.
 
2014-03-27 01:19:17 AM
Panic?
 
2014-03-27 01:19:56 AM
Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.
 
2014-03-27 01:20:38 AM

Chrome Armadillo: Panic?


We're they at the disco?
 
2014-03-27 01:21:55 AM
Done in one, hope she gets them fired.
 
2014-03-27 01:23:43 AM
Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.
 
2014-03-27 01:25:47 AM
Well, maybe if the cops would actually, you know, verify that some breach of the law has been committed before going full bore apeshiat and calling in reinforcements, things like this wouldn't happen, hmm?
 
2014-03-27 01:27:00 AM
Meh. "Stupid is" and all that.

/waiting for her eventual followup thread
 
2014-03-27 01:27:47 AM
The possibility of some overzealous Alcohol Enforcement jackholes learning a lesson about excessive response negates any *snowflake* or *hang all lawyers* knee-jerk reaction I might have to subby's troll-line.
 
2014-03-27 01:28:31 AM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4551099

It was plainclothes officers, and she left because there was nobody in uniform. She was confronted after buying cookie dough, and she ran off thinking she was going to be mugged by some random dudes. It wasn't until afterwards - when she was arrested for striking some officers - that she realized they were honestly, indeed, police instead of some kooks pretending to be police.
 
2014-03-27 01:32:13 AM

anwserman: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4551099

It was plainclothes officers, and she left because there was nobody in uniform. She was confronted after buying cookie dough, and she ran off thinking she was going to be mugged by some random dudes. It wasn't until afterwards - when she was arrested for striking some officers - that she realized they were honestly, indeed, police instead of some kooks pretending to be police.


This. I'm pretty sure cops are trained on how to talk to members of the public, both in and out of uniform. If they neglected to act appropriately, it's not her fault.
 
2014-03-27 01:35:14 AM
Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.
 
2014-03-27 01:35:36 AM
Why do you need alcoholic beverage control officers?

Don't you fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?
 
2014-03-27 01:39:09 AM
A University of Virginia student is seeking $40 million from the state and seven Alcoholic Beverage Control agents who arrested her believing she had illegally purchased beer when she had bought bottled water.

what? ABC can arrest people in Virginia?

You'd think if they thought they witnessed her buying beer illegally, they would go after the person who sold it to her, rather than go after her.

But who knows? It's just another "news" story with no details, and is barely a few sentences long.
 
2014-03-27 01:40:27 AM

spamdog: Why do you need alcoholic beverage control officers?

Don't you fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?


Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.
 
2014-03-27 01:41:07 AM

spamdog: Why do you need alcoholic beverage control officers?

Don't you fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?


I agree, but then  who would fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-27 01:44:31 AM
Subby's a douche.

They falsely arrested her and infringed on her rights.

I hooe she DOES get paid. That's what they get for being over-zealous bastards.
 
2014-03-27 01:44:43 AM

Huggermugger: Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.


you're either ignorant of what the ABC is, or you're just stupid.

which is it?
 
2014-03-27 01:44:52 AM

Huggermugger: spamdog: Why do you need alcoholic beverage control officers?

Don't you fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?

Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.


Cops are civilians, too.
/Stop buying and spreading their bullshiat.
 
2014-03-27 01:45:06 AM

UndeadPoetsSociety: Well, maybe if the cops would actually, you know, verify that some breach of the law has been committed before going full bore apeshiat and calling in reinforcements, things like this wouldn't happen, hmm?


This.
 
2014-03-27 01:48:15 AM

thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.


No uniforms, unreasonable behavior, she thought she was dealing with bad guys.  I do agree she's lucky she wasn't shot but I find her conduct reasonable.  I also find a lawsuit reasonable but not $40 million.
 
2014-03-27 01:48:44 AM

log_jammin: A University of Virginia student is seeking $40 million from the state and seven Alcoholic Beverage Control agents who arrested her believing she had illegally purchased beer when she had bought bottled water.

what? ABC can arrest people in Virginia?

You'd think if they thought they witnessed her buying beer illegally, they would go after the person who sold it to her, rather than go after her.

But who knows? It's just another "news" story with no details, and is barely a few sentences long.


She was jostled by a bunch of plain-clothes officers after buying supplies for a sorority fund raiser, including bottled water and cookie dough. Her actions were legal despite the seven officers who mistook otherwise.

The original article was posted on fark a while ago.
 
2014-03-27 01:52:38 AM

anwserman: She was jostled by a bunch of plain-clothes officers after buying supplies for a sorority fund raiser, including bottled water and cookie dough. Her actions were legal despite the seven officers who mistook otherwise.

The original article was posted on fark a while ago.


I gathered those things through the comments. That still doesn't make this "article" worth a shiat.
 
2014-03-27 01:58:13 AM
$40 million?  For what?   They could have put her in jail for 25 years wrongly and she wouldn't get that much.  What did she do?  Spend 4 hours in the pokey?
 
2014-03-27 01:59:13 AM

log_jammin: Huggermugger: Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.

you're either ignorant of what the ABC is, or you're just stupid.

which is it?


Are you white-knighting for the boys in blue tonight?
 
2014-03-27 02:00:30 AM

Loren: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

No uniforms, unreasonable behavior, she thought she was dealing with bad guys.  I do agree she's lucky she wasn't shot but I find her conduct reasonable.  I also find a lawsuit reasonable but not $40 million.


That's just a leverage point for the eventual out of court settlement, nobody actually thinks this is a 40 mil case.
 
2014-03-27 02:02:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.


I think you've watched "Police Academy" too many times.
 
2014-03-27 02:08:44 AM

Huggermugger: Are you white-knighting for the boys in blue tonight?


answer my question first.
 
2014-03-27 02:10:45 AM
They were wearing riot gear for fark's sake.
 
2014-03-27 02:12:31 AM
or something...
 
2014-03-27 02:12:56 AM

log_jammin: Huggermugger: Are you white-knighting for the boys in blue tonight?

answer my question first.


Go fark yourself.
 
2014-03-27 02:13:11 AM
Next time sic the UVA lacrosse team on her.
 
2014-03-27 02:14:48 AM

Huggermugger: log_jammin: Huggermugger: Are you white-knighting for the boys in blue tonight?

answer my question first.

Go fark yourself.


ok. I'm going with stupid.

and to answer your question, no, I am not white knighting for the ABC. from the little bit of info I have to go on, it sounds like they farked up.

have a great day!
 
2014-03-27 02:21:30 AM
 
2014-03-27 02:23:30 AM

One Thousand: AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

I think you've watched "Police Academy" too many times.


img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-27 02:35:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.


www.thefutureorganization.com
 
2014-03-27 02:54:44 AM
Yeah! She should win 700 gajillion quadrillion dollars!

The only justice would be to sue the responsible parties directly. Yeah, I know. This public lust for cash is sad. It's mob mentality. And the people hurt most are the ones who deserve it least.

But, really, how can you put a price on suffering? 800 gadillion zillion?
 
2014-03-27 02:57:12 AM
I can see a farker doing it too.  But only because the police insulted him/her by suggesting the supermarket has better alcohol than a wine & spirits store.
 
2014-03-27 03:08:02 AM
While they screwed up bad here... 40 Million?  Yeah.  I want her to lose now.  There needs to be disciplinary action, asking for 40 M (even if likely on the advice of some greedy lawyer), I would like her to win court fees plus two dollars if she keeps asking for that.
 
2014-03-27 03:22:37 AM
So if the felony charges were dismissed and expunged from her  record, why are they being tossed out for public consumption?

Just wondering.
 
2014-03-27 03:28:56 AM
I hate it when they give a very sparse recounting of the original story in an update article.

FTFA the story skips the small details of how she went from buying water and getting confronted by officers to grazing police in an automobile.
 
2014-03-27 03:45:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-27 03:46:49 AM

The One True TheDavid: I hope she wins.

And finds out we're related.


But then you have to spend the night in her creepy mansion to collect your inheritance.
 
2014-03-27 03:53:28 AM

thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.


This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.
 
2014-03-27 03:54:19 AM
I'm guessing if she wins she won't get nearly that much, but seriously what a stupid overreaction from a bunch of needledicked thugs who had no business ever being given authority. Any organization employing them should suffer for being so incompetent while having authority over the general public.
 
2014-03-27 03:54:23 AM

Alien Robot: AverageAmericanGuy: There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

[img.fark.net image 640x367]


Well why not.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-27 03:56:31 AM

cwolf20: Alien Robot: AverageAmericanGuy: There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

[img.fark.net image 640x367]

Well why not.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x305]


SHATNER...take your finger out of the trigger until you intend to shoot.
 
2014-03-27 03:58:24 AM

optikeye: cwolf20: Alien Robot: AverageAmericanGuy: There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

[img.fark.net image 640x367]

Well why not.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x305]

SHATNER...take your finger out of the trigger until you intend to shoot.


At least he's consistent.  The other guy is doing the same thing with his pistol.
 
2014-03-27 04:26:27 AM

simkatu: $40 million?  For what?   They could have put her in jail for 25 years wrongly and she wouldn't get that much.  What did she do?  Spend 4 hours in the pokey?


It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?
 
2014-03-27 04:36:50 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: I'm guessing if she wins she won't get nearly that much, but seriously what a stupid overreaction from a bunch of needledicked thugs who had no business ever being given authority. Any organization employing them should suffer for being so incompetent while having authority over the general public.


TFA doesn't state how much of what she is seeking for actual and punitive respectively. The former amount is probably not much, the latter - probably a lot - as it should be.
A frightening number of farkers seem to have never heard of punitive damages. WTF are they teaching in our schools, anymore?
 
2014-03-27 04:41:58 AM

Luneward: While they screwed up bad here... 40 Million?  Yeah.  I want her to lose now.  There needs to be disciplinary action, asking for 40 M (even if likely on the advice of some greedy lawyer), I would like her to win court fees plus two dollars if she keeps asking for that.


It's not how much money she wins, it is how much would stop the police from doing what they did again.

If it's just two dollars and court costs, then police would hassle anyone on the street if they could get away with paying a few dollars.
 
2014-03-27 04:42:12 AM
50 bucks says these idots were mostly ex-military, and were hired with no other experience or education.  The milittarization of civilian law enforcement is a big part of why shiat like this happens.  Take a bunch of guys who spent their formative years patrolling Fallujah or the Peshawar Valley, then tell them that experience makes them perfect for a career in law enforcement, and this is what you get.  A bunch of ex-grunts who are still out there playing soldier or Marine, but on American streets.  Not only shouldn't military service be allowed to replace the education requirements of police departments, they should require vets to have more education, along with a two year "readjustment to civilian life" period before they are allowed to apply to law enforcement agencies.
 
2014-03-27 04:48:50 AM

jso2897: Crotchrocket Slim: I'm guessing if she wins she won't get nearly that much, but seriously what a stupid overreaction from a bunch of needledicked thugs who had no business ever being given authority. Any organization employing them should suffer for being so incompetent while having authority over the general public.

TFA doesn't state how much of what she is seeking for actual and punitive respectively. The former amount is probably not much, the latter - probably a lot - as it should be.
A frightening number of farkers seem to have never heard of punitive damages. WTF are they teaching in our schools, anymore?


Punitive damages... That you're giving me.

Sue you, sue everybody!

/jerky
 
2014-03-27 04:49:16 AM

jso2897: DETER


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-27 05:16:52 AM
I just wonder if the cops will have qualified immunity (ie, be untouchable as people due to their job); IIRC, QI ends if it can be shown that you were trained/instructed otherwise, and I'd be willing to wager that ABC cops are trained to recognize water and cookie dough versus alcoholic beverages.
 
2014-03-27 05:18:23 AM

Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.


She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police. In addition, since she had done nothing even vaguely illegal she had little reason to believe these individuals were actually police officers. Who gets arrested for buying cookie-dough and water? In truth she got very lucky, if these officers were any stupider they would have shot her as she tried to drive off.
 
2014-03-27 05:43:45 AM
Americans and their institutionalized fear that someone, somewhere, might actually be having a good time.
 
2014-03-27 05:50:08 AM

arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.


False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.
 
2014-03-27 05:50:49 AM

jso2897: simkatu: $40 million?  For what?   They could have put her in jail for 25 years wrongly and she wouldn't get that much.  What did she do?  Spend 4 hours in the pokey?

It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?


Who is being punished? Taxpayers? Who did nothing wrong?

The stupid... It hurts... It just... Ouch.
 
2014-03-27 06:05:24 AM

omeganuepsilon: False.

They approached her displaying badges.


the first one claims he did, the others didn't.

omeganuepsilon: The police didn't fark up.


did she buy alcohol illegally? no. are they facing a huge lawsuit that could have easily been avoided? yes.

therefore, they farked up.
 
2014-03-27 06:09:43 AM

Ready-set: Who is being punished? Taxpayers? Who did nothing wrong?


their insurance company will most likely cover any money that she wins.

But I wouldn't call it "punishment" as much as it's an "incentive" to retrain/make new policies/etc.. to help avoid looking like dumbasses again should something similar pop up in the future.
 
2014-03-27 06:22:36 AM

arentol: Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.

She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police. In addition, since she had done nothing even vaguely illegal she had little reason to believe these individuals were actually police officers. Who gets arrested for buying cookie-dough and water? In truth she got very lucky, if these officers were any stupider they would have shot her as she tried to drive off.


Dude. Don't jinx us!
 
2014-03-27 06:28:06 AM
If I were her I would sue for a large amount but settle for less but that less would include the firing of all the idiots concerned and their ability to carry a weapon permanently rescinded.  That way the thugs concerned would be hurt for their actions as they could never again be employed in a law enforcement capacity.  If that was not done, then I would have a million taken out of their income over the next 35 years so that every payday they would remember their stupidity as their paychecks were light and they could not have a large chunk of disposable income to use to buy a house or a car, etc.  Just looking at their pay stub would bring back to them their stupidity and piss them off.  That would be the ultimate revenge...taking their money every payday and knowing that it was pissing them off for the next 35 years!  Otherwise, all you get is a big chunk of the public's money and the instigators basically get off with only an ass-chewing from their boss.  My way would make that payback bite them every payday for the rest of their earning lives.
 
2014-03-27 06:31:34 AM

arentol: since she had done nothing even vaguely illegal she had little reason to believe these individuals were actually police officers. Who gets arrested for buying cookie-dough and water? In truth she got very lucky, if these officers were any stupider they would have shot her as she tried to drive off


^ This.  Cops arrest people all the time for no reason besides not getting enough respect, or the civilian is too dark, or they just plain don't like you.  Every arrest for resisting arrest falls into this category.

The cops should be sued often, hard, and until it hurts enough for them to stop being complete assholes.  And this whole "police union" crap is absurd.
 
2014-03-27 06:33:32 AM

omeganuepsilon: If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened. They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.


These days, all bets are off. In order to cover their own asses from "false arrest" charges, they would have had to charge her with some small infraction. In addition, to cover the cost of their operations, they'd have had to charge her car with a crime, thereby putting the onus on her to prove she had never ever done anything even remotely illegal with the car, and allowing their selves to confiscate it and sell it at auction. It happens every day now.

They have spent far too long looking into the abyss, and have become the very monsters we hired them to protect us from.
 
2014-03-27 06:34:19 AM

log_jammin: omeganuepsilon: The police didn't fark up.


did she buy alcohol illegally? no. are they facing a huge lawsuit that could have easily been avoided? yes.

therefore, they farked up.


Did she buy alcohol illegally?  We do not know, she fled the scene. The police suspected that she did, she was carrying the right size container in a bag.  That's the thing with police, they kind of have to be able to see the evidence for themselves, which she was never allowed to do.

They don't magically just *know*.  They had reason to approach her and ask if they could see what she bought(which does not really have any prerequisites, legally or morally), but they never got the chance to do the later, they were too busy trying to not get hit by her car.
 
2014-03-27 06:35:26 AM

HAMMERTOE: omeganuepsilon: If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened. They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.

These days, all bets are off. In order to cover their own asses from "false arrest" charges, they would have had to charge her with some small infraction. In addition, to cover the cost of their operations, they'd have had to charge her car with a crime, thereby putting the onus on her to prove she had never ever done anything even remotely illegal with the car, and allowing their selves to confiscate it and sell it at auction. It happens every day now.

They have spent far too long looking into the abyss, and have become the very monsters we hired them to protect us from.


Many, but not all.  Your tinfoil hat is showing.
 
2014-03-27 06:39:42 AM
Fark the stupid cops.
Pain and suffering, BIATCHES!

/That would be pretty traumatic, too.
//Virginia is packed to the rafters with idiots.
 
2014-03-27 06:42:34 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.


We're they also untouchable?
 
2014-03-27 06:42:58 AM

omeganuepsilon: Did she buy alcohol illegally?  We do not know, she fled the scene.


review the security cameras, and get a copy of the receipt. bam. investigation concluded.

they know she didn't. That's why they dropped the charges.

omeganuepsilon: They don't magically just *know*.


*looks around at the police station I'm current working at*

huh. you don't say?
 
2014-03-27 06:49:37 AM

arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms.


Ah.  Yeah, then I hope the department's not too attached to its money, because it probably won't have any after this.  Failure to identify = you're just another jerkoff, no police protections for you.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:38 AM

omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.


They farked up big time.

It was 10 at night, and they waited until she was in her car to start banging on the window (a window she couldn't roll down, since the car wasn't on, and it was electric), they never presented their badges, they just had them hanging. She was there on the phone trying to confirm if they were real police because there is no legit reason to come after soemone for leaving a store with water, and then the cops tried to break down her window, at which point she understandably drove away.


It is sad anybody would stick up for those farking clowns.

From the very poor logic that cans are a legit reason for cops to stop and try and search a person or car to having a team of plainclosthed cops laying in wait at a store when real criems are going on.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:53 AM

Ready-set: jso2897: simkatu: $40 million?  For what?   They could have put her in jail for 25 years wrongly and she wouldn't get that much.  What did she do?  Spend 4 hours in the pokey?

It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?

Who is being punished? Taxpayers? Who did nothing wrong?

The stupid... It hurts... It just... Ouch.


So this is really some novel, foreign, debatable concept to you, eh? Harvard law will be deeply impressed to hear of your brilliant plan to overhaul our "stupid" legal system.
The world is full of geniuses who think they can re-invent the wheel.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:57 AM
Marcus Aurelius:

^ This.  Cops arrest people all the time for no reason besides not getting enough respect, or the civilian is too dark, or they just plain don't like you.  Every arrest for resisting arrest falls into this category.

The cops should be sued often, hard, and until it hurts enough for them to stop being complete assholes.  And this whole "police union" crap is absurd.


Agree with everything except the blanket absolute I bolded.  There are many times where resisting and attempting to flee are done by actual criminals.  If you were implying that that's the only cause of arrest or suspicion at all, I'd even agree, but that's not necessarily evident.

It does imply they were going to arrest her regardless, but that's an argument borne of pure belief, too obviously ridiculous to really argue.

That's the difference between your post and more simple minded anti-authoritarian cop-haters in the thread.  You do seem to recognize that there are legit ones, and that the profession at large is somewhat necessary.

Point is, there are plenty of cases, entirely too many, where cops ARE complete assholes, even criminal, and this is not the one to champion to get them to rectify their behavior.  This case boils down to a fluke of just perfectly the wrong kinds of actions. 99.9% of the time, nothing would come from it, but due to her panic, it blew up.

/anyhow, off to work, so flame on and count your "wins" while I'm gone, haters
//facts won't work on the actual haters anyhow, so vehement in their zealotry
 
2014-03-27 06:52:26 AM

Literally Addicted: AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

We're they also untouchable?


There were twelve of them and they were dirty.
 
2014-03-27 06:58:14 AM
Why are people getting hung up on the 40 million figure?

This is just like when say, you are busted jay walking and the DA's office charges you with assault, resisting arrest and impersonating a Chihuahua.

In that case, the DA is hoping that you'll be so scared you'll plead guilty and then be on with it.

In this case, the lawyers are hoping that the newspaper will carry the story and the publicity will force the government to settle.

Dear FSM, why are there so many gullible and stupid people in the world?? Why???
 
2014-03-27 07:00:15 AM

omeganuepsilon: The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.


Unless it's illegal to purchase water and cookie dough, they did not.
 
2014-03-27 07:04:48 AM

One Thousand: AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

I think you've watched "Police Academy" too many times.


Sounds like a weird conservative wet dream about what they wish the 50s was.
 
2014-03-27 07:05:33 AM

omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.>/em>

"They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform,"

In your world, anyone in plainclothes can flash a shiny piece of metal in your direction, and you instantly believe they're a cop and obey them???

She then started her car

"I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began ... trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified,"

So, when approached by strangers in a parking lot, you ... what? Throw your car door wide open, or crack a window?

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic

6 people trying to break the windows of her car? Hell yes, I think that justifies 'panic' on her part?

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.

Then why did they drop the charges?

 If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.

If they had done their jobs right, she wouldn't have panicked.

 They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.

If they had simply observed what she had to begin with, they wouldn't have gone up to her at all, and the whole situation would have been avoided.

 
2014-03-27 07:08:43 AM

Alien Robot: omeganuepsilon: The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.

Unless it's illegal to purchase water and cookie dough, they did not.


log_jammin: omeganuepsilon: Did she buy alcohol illegally?  We do not know, she fled the scene.


review the security cameras, and get a copy of the receipt. bam. investigation concluded.

they know she didn't. That's why they dropped the charges.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

/bah, running late anyhow, not here for long though

Jim_Callahan: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms.

Ah.  Yeah, then I hope the department's not too attached to its money, because it probably won't have any after this.  Failure to identify = you're just another jerkoff, no police protections for you.


They did identify.  I remember the multiple threads this had on fark when it was recent, with articles that gave a lot more details.  She chose to not believe them.  She even admits as such in her interviews at the time.  She has no case, especially as the charges for fleeing and assault were dropped completely.

Not to say her legal team couldn't convince a bunch of moron jurors or a judge.  I mean, if the fark thread is representative of the populace at large, any sort of fair trial is doomed before it even begins.
 
2014-03-27 07:09:13 AM
Is she hot? I mean she's. 20-yr old UVA student so she's probably decent.

$40 mil seems like a little much but $5 mil would work out nicely. And her phone number.
 
2014-03-27 07:09:41 AM
Wow 10 cops all being paid to protect us from college kids getting beer. What a grand use of resources
 
2014-03-27 07:11:05 AM
Good.
 
2014-03-27 07:13:37 AM

omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias


lol!

Yes, suggesting that they would review the security cameras, and get a copy of the receipt is "hindsight bias" and not "standard procedure". sure thing chief.
 
2014-03-27 07:14:12 AM

devildog123: 50 bucks says these idots were mostly ex-military, and were hired with no other experience or education.  The milittarization of civilian law enforcement is a big part of why shiat like this happens.  Take a bunch of guys who spent their formative years patrolling Fallujah or the Peshawar Valley, then tell them that experience makes them perfect for a career in law enforcement, and this is what you get.  A bunch of ex-grunts who are still out there playing soldier or Marine, but on American streets.  Not only shouldn't military service be allowed to replace the education requirements of police departments, they should require vets to have more education, along with a two year "readjustment to civilian life" period before they are allowed to apply to law enforcement agencies.


You'd think so, but it's mostly chickenhawks who never actually served in the military who want to play rambo and go home to their family to brag about it. Jealousy? Little dick syndrome? Who the fark knows, but actual military are usually much better trained and stable.

/Lots of shiatheads in and out of the forces, though.
 
2014-03-27 07:25:38 AM
Dammit. I think Fark is specifically programmed to mess up your html unless you preview.

fredklein: omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.


"They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform,"

In your world, anyone in plainclothes can flash a shiny piece of metal in your direction, and you instantly believe they're a cop and obey them???

She then started her car

"I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began ... trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified,"

So, when approached by strangers in a parking lot, you ... what? Throw your car door wide open, or crack a window?

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic

6 people trying to break the windows of her car? Hell yes, I think that justifies 'panic' on her part?

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.

Then why did they drop the charges?

 If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.

If they had done their jobs right, she wouldn't have panicked.

 They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.

If they had simply observed what she had to begin with, they wouldn't have gone up to her at all, and the whole situation would have been avoided.
 
2014-03-27 07:29:27 AM

thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.


No.  It sounds like they jumped in into the path of her vehicle as she was pulling out of the parking spot and because a bunch of idiots just jumped in front of her moving vehicle she couldn't stop in time.
 
2014-03-27 07:30:35 AM
If localities want to hire and defend these psychos they can pay for all the fallout.
 
2014-03-27 07:30:40 AM
I really hate frivolous lawsuits.

I get this one though. I hope she gets at least 1% of the amount.

Just don't raise my liquor prices to pay for it Virginia.  I'm only 20 miles from two state borders, so I have options.
 
2014-03-27 07:33:46 AM
Huggermugger:

Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.

ABC = Alcoholic Beverage Control.
State run monopolies on the sale of booze.  it's ridiculous, but what you said makes no sense in that context.
 
2014-03-27 07:34:38 AM

Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.


The cops weren't in uniform.
 
2014-03-27 07:37:23 AM

Loren: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

No uniforms, unreasonable behavior, she thought she was dealing with bad guys.  I do agree she's lucky she wasn't shot but I find her conduct reasonable.  I also find a lawsuit reasonable but not $40 million.


Agrees on both counts.
 
2014-03-27 07:43:28 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Cops are civilians, too.


Sure, as long as you make up your own definition of the word, instead of using one that everyone else is using...
 
2014-03-27 07:44:46 AM

foxyshadis: devildog123: 50 bucks says these idots were mostly ex-military, and were hired with no other experience or education.  The milittarization of civilian law enforcement is a big part of why shiat like this happens.  Take a bunch of guys who spent their formative years patrolling Fallujah or the Peshawar Valley, then tell them that experience makes them perfect for a career in law enforcement, and this is what you get.  A bunch of ex-grunts who are still out there playing soldier or Marine, but on American streets.  Not only shouldn't military service be allowed to replace the education requirements of police departments, they should require vets to have more education, along with a two year "readjustment to civilian life" period before they are allowed to apply to law enforcement agencies.

You'd think so, but it's mostly chickenhawks who never actually served in the military who want to play rambo and go home to their family to brag about it. Jealousy? Little dick syndrome? Who the fark knows, but actual military are usually much better trained and stable.

/Lots of shiatheads in and out of the forces, though.


The military is insanely well trained... To be a destructive force.  Most of the guys I served with that went on to be cops still act like they're running and gunning in combat zones, even the guys in limp dick little noweherevilles.  Most PDs these days were what are essentially military cammies without the camo pattern, carry as much firepower in their cruisers as I did in Iraq, and wear heavy body armor.  They give these guys a quick course through the police academy, then they turn these ex-infantrymen and field MPs loose on American streets.  I have no problem with former CID guys or hiring some Kiowa pilots to run the helos.  But 4 years in combat arms shouldn't be considered a selling point for someone who will be on American streets enforcing the law.
 
2014-03-27 07:45:05 AM

Fano: [community.us.playstation.com image 850x564]


Done in 1
 
2014-03-27 07:46:41 AM

jso2897: It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?


Ever hear of "unintended consequences?"

Because the behavior of the cops in this story is one of them.

/making sure the cops have to be perfect and precognitive or else they will not only suffer for the damage done, but also for punitive damages for their imperfection
//somehow I don't think you thought your cunning ideology all the way through
 
2014-03-27 07:47:48 AM
omeganuepsilon says:

"False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)"


You need to check the facts, Sherlock.

One officer had already drawn his gun when he approached the vehicle. Another leapt onto the hood of the car.

She could not lower the windows without starting the engine. They were shouting at her to lower her windows. They then proceeded to attempt to break the windows.

The hillbilly ABC "police officers" of Virginia spend 80% of their time hunting down stills in the forest. And have a laughable track record. And who pulls a gun on sorority girls buying beer? But of course they weren't even buying beer, they were buying BOTTLED WATER!!

Even the Attorney General of Virginia has called this "a highly regrettable incident" while dropping all charges, lawyer code for, "We are not openly going to admit responsibility, but there is egregious fault here, and about 90% of it will be laid at our feet". If she's so guilty, and the officer's behavior so unimpeachable, why the back tracking by the AG's office? 'Cause they're screwed, and it has nothing to do with, as you say, a "bunch of moron jurors or a judge". The trial hasn't even begun yet. They will settle, I would guess about 5mm, lawyer will get 1/3.

But I would also hazard a guess she (and her parents) are NOT in it for the money, but genuinely wish to make a point. And the "officers" (I use that term guardedly) will all circle around and admit zero culpability and try to spin this as opportunism on the part of one citizen who got them on a technicality. With citizens like you nodding in agreement.
 
2014-03-27 07:49:06 AM

omeganuepsilon: She chose to not believe them.


Which was a perfectly reasonable decision, far more reasonable than the idiopts decision to swarm her car for carrying cans.
 
2014-03-27 07:49:57 AM

thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.


Wrong.  It's not about her, it's about THEM.

behavior modification
n.
1. The use of basic learning techniques, such as conditioning, biofeedback, reinforcement, or aversion therapy, to alter human behavior

2. The direct changing of unwanted behavior by means of biofeedback or conditioning  wallet punching.
 
2014-03-27 07:53:19 AM

Loren: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

No uniforms, unreasonable behavior, she thought she was dealing with bad guys.  I do agree she's lucky she wasn't shot but I find her conduct reasonable.  I also find a lawsuit reasonable but not $40 million.


if anything watching Pawn Stars has taught me is that you go for a high number, they lowball, and you meet somewhere in the middle.
 
2014-03-27 07:59:40 AM

anwserman: log_jammin: A University of Virginia student is seeking $40 million from the state and seven Alcoholic Beverage Control agents who arrested her believing she had illegally purchased beer when she had bought bottled water.

what? ABC can arrest people in Virginia?

You'd think if they thought they witnessed her buying beer illegally, they would go after the person who sold it to her, rather than go after her.

But who knows? It's just another "news" story with no details, and is barely a few sentences long.

She was jostled by a bunch of plain-clothes officers after buying supplies for a sorority fund raiser, including bottled water and cookie dough. Her actions were legal despite the seven officers who mistook otherwise.

The original article was posted on fark a while ago.


and it is perfectly legal for someone as young as five years of age to purchase a funnel and three feet of flexible tubing from a hardware store...  those are supplies for most sorority fundraisers, right?
 
2014-03-27 08:06:16 AM

Jim_Callahan: Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.


Which is what happened.
 
2014-03-27 08:07:02 AM

anwserman: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4551099

It was plainclothes officers, and she left because there was nobody in uniform. She was confronted after buying cookie dough, and she ran off thinking she was going to be mugged by some random dudes. It wasn't until afterwards - when she was arrested for striking some officers - that she realized they were honestly, indeed, police instead of some kooks pretending to be police.


I wouldn't ask for a penny.

My deal would be jail time for all involved.
 
2014-03-27 08:11:39 AM
~10 people per day die from drowning in the USA.  They were protecting her from a dangerous substance.  They should get raises and medals.
 
2014-03-27 08:16:01 AM

jso2897: simkatu: $40 million?  For what?   They could have put her in jail for 25 years wrongly and she wouldn't get that much.  What did she do?  Spend 4 hours in the pokey?

It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?


Don't sound American to me.. Aren't wealthy, powerful entities supposed to do whatever they want without fear of repercussion, or else soshulism?
 
2014-03-27 08:17:24 AM

devildog123: 50 bucks says these idots were mostly ex-military, and were hired with no other experience or education.  The milittarization of civilian law enforcement is a big part of why shiat like this happens.  Take a bunch of guys who spent their formative years patrolling Fallujah or the Peshawar Valley, then tell them that experience makes them perfect for a career in law enforcement, and this is what you get.  A bunch of ex-grunts who are still out there playing soldier or Marine, but on American streets.  Not only shouldn't military service be allowed to replace the education requirements of police departments, they should require vets to have more education, along with a two year "readjustment to civilian life" period before they are allowed to apply to law enforcement agencies.


So you dont support the troops?
 
2014-03-27 08:18:04 AM

spamdog: Why do you need alcoholic beverage control officers?

Don't you fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?


Because it's important that the State fark up your life with criminal convictions before a potential future alcohol addiction farks it up with health and relationship damage.
 
2014-03-27 08:20:44 AM

YixilTesiphon: Jim_Callahan: Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.

Which is what happened.


in which case, she is still up for attempted vehicular manslaughter...  this ain't the movies, folks.  if you try and run someone over, the cops will want to talk to you whether they were in front of your car or not.

it gets worse if the person(s?) in front of your car dies...

my take on all this is, if you don't know your vehicle is equipped with a horn, know how to plant your elbow in it while dialling 911 after you take your selfie of "harrassed by fake cops getting tri-delt supplies... #mixers #yolo" you deserve whatever you get.
 
2014-03-27 08:21:28 AM

omeganuepsilon: Marcus Aurelius:

^ This.  Cops arrest people all the time for no reason besides not getting enough respect, or the civilian is too dark, or they just plain don't like you.  Every arrest for resisting arrest falls into this category.

The cops should be sued often, hard, and until it hurts enough for them to stop being complete assholes.  And this whole "police union" crap is absurd.

Agree with everything except the blanket absolute I bolded.  There are many times where resisting and attempting to flee are done by actual criminals.  If you were implying that that's the only cause of arrest or suspicion at all, I'd even agree, but that's not necessarily evident.

It does imply they were going to arrest her regardless, but that's an argument borne of pure belief, too obviously ridiculous to really argue.

That's the difference between your post and more simple minded anti-authoritarian cop-haters in the thread.  You do seem to recognize that there are legit ones, and that the profession at large is somewhat necessary.

Point is, there are plenty of cases, entirely too many, where cops ARE complete assholes, even criminal, and this is not the one to champion to get them to rectify their behavior.  This case boils down to a fluke of just perfectly the wrong kinds of actions. 99.9% of the time, nothing would come from it, but due to her panic, it blew up.

/anyhow, off to work, so flame on and count your "wins" while I'm gone, haters
//facts won't work on the actual haters anyhow, so vehement in their zealotry


Call it cop hate all you want. A simple glance at the headlines would be all a normal person needs to see. To be able to know that should you see the cops coming it's best to hide somewhere. Hopefully you had time to hide your dog to.
 
2014-03-27 08:22:39 AM

OtherLittleGuy: It was plainclothes officers,


Cville reporting in. Its was an ABC "raid" of sorts, which mean there was ONE official full time ABC officer and six or so "deputized" bubbas from green county or whatever. They stormed her car at night in a total show of force, guns etc. Her passenger freaked, told her to bail and she did. SHE called the cops / 911 immediately (2 blocks IIRC), and it was only after the dust settled and the actual cops realized how bad the bubbas farked up that she was thrown in jail for felonious assault of an officer.

And as context, this area has had multiple rapists posing as officers pulling people over causing harm. There have been multiple public service spots around teaching women to NOT pull over until they are around other people or are sure of the situation, and cops are supposed respect that. I guess bubbas didnt get that message. Add on top of that all our unsolved missing teen girl cases and I see where this chick was coming from.

40 million is high, but I bet the state will settle for less.
 
2014-03-27 08:23:08 AM

Jim_Callahan: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms.

Ah.  Yeah, then I hope the department's not too attached to its money, because it probably won't have any after this.  Failure to identify = you're just another jerkoff, no police protections for you.


My guess is the department doesn't give a shiat about the local community's property taxes.
 
2014-03-27 08:24:52 AM

cynicalminion: you deserve whatever you get


What a stupid biatch, that dumb sorostitute was startled by multiple people banging on her window at night some with guns drawn, how pathetic.


/btw she tossed her phone to her friend to call 911
 
2014-03-27 08:27:58 AM

kindms: Wow 10 cops all being paid to protect us from college kids getting beer. What a grand use of resources


This. I bet those plainclothes fellows thought they had a whopper of a catch, like stopping the Cali Cartel.
 
2014-03-27 08:31:50 AM

alizeran: OtherLittleGuy: It was plainclothes officers,

Cville reporting in. Its was an ABC "raid" of sorts, which mean there was ONE official full time ABC officer and six or so "deputized" bubbas from green county or whatever. They stormed her car at night in a total show of force, guns etc. Her passenger freaked, told her to bail and she did. SHE called the cops / 911 immediately (2 blocks IIRC), and it was only after the dust settled and the actual cops realized how bad the bubbas farked up that she was thrown in jail for felonious assault of an officer.

And as context, this area has had multiple rapists posing as officers pulling people over causing harm. There have been multiple public service spots around teaching women to NOT pull over until they are around other people or are sure of the situation, and cops are supposed respect that. I guess bubbas didnt get that message. Add on top of that all our unsolved missing teen girl cases and I see where this chick was coming from.

40 million is high, but I bet the state will settle for less.


Fellow Cvillian here to corroborate this account of the story.
 
2014-03-27 08:32:24 AM
She's obviously not going to get forty mil, but hopefully she'll get enough that the ABC guys maybe think twice the next time they want to swarm a group of women at night in a parking lot playing "Bubba's first sting."
 
2014-03-27 08:45:19 AM

Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.


They did NOT identify themselves as police. They were wearing plainclothes.

I want you to picture this: You have a 20 year old daughter. It's late at night, she just exited a grocery store. Seven men in normal clothes rush up and grab her. Is it logical to assume

A: "These are police officers."
B: "These are the bad guys and need to die."
 
2014-03-27 08:58:01 AM
When all you have is a hammer (in this case, training to aggressively pursue and apprehend criminals), everything you see looks like a nail (or in this case, a criminal).  I hope she wins.
 
2014-03-27 09:01:07 AM

alizeran: OtherLittleGuy: It was plainclothes officers,

Cville reporting in. Its was an ABC "raid" of sorts, which mean there was ONE official full time ABC officer and six or so "deputized" bubbas from green county or whatever. They stormed her car at night in a total show of force, guns etc. Her passenger freaked, told her to bail and she did. SHE called the cops / 911 immediately (2 blocks IIRC), and it was only after the dust settled and the actual cops realized how bad the bubbas farked up that she was thrown in jail for felonious assault of an officer.

And as context, this area has had multiple rapists posing as officers pulling people over causing harm. There have been multiple public service spots around teaching women to NOT pull over until they are around other people or are sure of the situation, and cops are supposed respect that. I guess bubbas didnt get that message. Add on top of that all our unsolved missing teen girl cases and I see where this chick was coming from.

40 million is high, but I bet the state will settle for less.


liam76: cynicalminion: you deserve whatever you get

What a stupid biatch, that dumb sorostitute was startled by multiple people banging on her window at night some with guns drawn, how pathetic.


/btw she tossed her phone to her friend to call 911


sorostitute is not a word, i wasn't even headed in THAT direction.  i know that "frat boys" would have "bottled water and cookie dough" as the next "2g1c" viral, and more power to 'em...

/btw, it sounds like, no, she didn't just put her car into lockdown and call 911...  this area had someone with a gumball machine attempting to pull lone women over as well...  this is nowhere close to that situation on any count.   this is why the second amendment about an armed militia gets flak.
//sounds like a bunch of lil' zimmies.
///"drink"="take your best shot"?
 
2014-03-27 09:03:43 AM

Securitywyrm: Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.

They did NOT identify themselves as police. They were wearing plainclothes.

I want you to picture this: You have a 20 year old daughter. It's late at night, she just exited a grocery store. Seven men in normal clothes rush up and grab her. Is it logical to assume

A: "These are police officers."
B: "These are the bad guys and need to die."


i want you to picture this:  you are nowhere near the scene.

i'm not saying SHE should not view being grabbed by seven men as an assault on her person, but i'm willing to say YOU are deliberately putting "daddy's little girl" in a situation that wasn't happening...
 
2014-03-27 09:04:10 AM

cynicalminion: i wasn't even headed in THAT direction


You said she deserved whatever she gets because she wasn't calm enough to follow yourplan of action when confronted with shouting armed men who had no legit reason to hassle her.


cynicalminion: it sounds like, no, she didn't just put her car into lockdown and call 911


She did until they tried to break in the window with a steel flashlight.

cynicalminion: this area had someone with a gumball machine attempting to pull lone women over as well... this is nowhere close to that situation on any count


From her perspective it could be very close.
 
2014-03-27 09:16:26 AM
Give em a brake, they were only ABC cops, not the more experienced DEF cops.
 
2014-03-27 09:18:09 AM
The enforcement wing of the ABC is not that large, so when they do raids / sting ops or whatever, they bring in "deputies", which as near as I can figure is "a bunch of the agent's rambo friends. Now I don't care where you're from, when I say 'Bubbas from rural Greene Co VA', the picture that gets painted in your head is most likely not far from the truth. These guys, if they have any training at all, its at the Marriot Conference room C over a long saturday. They are probably wearing 'tactical socks' that they bought on line. They scare me even when I am not being bum rushed by them at night. They live for this shiat, so when they get a chance to shoot their wad, they go for it.

Virginia has the weirdest relationship with alcohol. The laws are so cryptic and weird and complicated, and yet, everyone here is soused 24/7 it seems.
 
2014-03-27 09:19:22 AM

SurfaceTension: When all you have is a hammer (in this case, training to aggressively pursue and apprehend criminals), everything you see looks like a nail (or in this case, a criminal).  I hope she wins.


Sometimes all you need is the hammer

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-27 09:20:25 AM

alizeran: They are probably wearing 'tactical socks' that they bought on line.


that gave me a chuckle
 
2014-03-27 09:27:27 AM

liam76: cynicalminion: i wasn't even headed in THAT direction

You said she deserved whatever she gets because she wasn't calm enough to follow yourplan of action when confronted with shouting armed men who had no legit reason to hassle her.


oh STFU, i said if you don't immediately activate whatever panic-mode feature you have on your car if you're being attacked, you're STUPID, not that she's a whore who deserved to get raped.

cynicalminion: it sounds like, no, she didn't just put her car into lockdown and call 911

She did until they tried to break in the window with a steel flashlight.


i'm NOT against her defending herself here, but monumental stupidity on their part doesn't automatically make lawbreaking on her part okay.

cynicalminion: this area had someone with a gumball machine attempting to pull lone women over as well... this is nowhere close to that situation on any count

From her perspective it could be very close.


and from my perspective it looks like she got hassled for buying skittles and wearing a hoodie.
 
2014-03-27 09:31:43 AM

cynicalminion: YixilTesiphon: Jim_Callahan: Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.

Which is what happened.

in which case, she is still up for attempted vehicular manslaughter...  this ain't the movies, folks.  if you try and run someone over, the cops will want to talk to you whether they were in front of your car or not.

it gets worse if the person(s?) in front of your car dies...

my take on all this is, if you don't know your vehicle is equipped with a horn, know how to plant your elbow in it while dialling 911 after you take your selfie of "harrassed by fake cops getting tri-delt supplies... #mixers #yolo" you deserve whatever you get.


They did not identify as police.

They were brandishing guns.

She had the reasonable belief that her life was in danger, and had the right to use deadly force in self defense.  She didn't have a gun, she had a car.  Running them over and killing them would have been justifiable self defense.
 
2014-03-27 09:32:57 AM
Sadly, when I heard "20 year old UVA student" I had to check TFA to make sure it wasn't a chick I dated when she was 18-19 (I was 25) who turned all stalkerish.  It lasted 2 months, and it was over a year ago, and I still get drunk texts that I don't reply to.
 
2014-03-27 09:36:23 AM

shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.


She walks out of the store, several plain clothes ABC agents descend on her, don't ID themselves, she runs, gets to car, slams it in gear, goes, clips two in the process before one of them thinks to produce a badge and ID.

over a case of canned water.
 
2014-03-27 09:48:06 AM

omeganuepsilon: Many, but not all. Your tinfoil hat is showing.


Yes, and no. While I know several police officers, and they are generally good people. It's not them but the institution which is becoming systemically corrupt. In allowing itself to profit from the proceeds of its actions, in unison with laws allowing it to charge inanimate objects with "crimes" (which puts the burden of proof on proving innocence rather than on proving guilt,) it has shed the pretense of dispensing justice, and chose to inhabit the very domain of Organized Crime.
 
2014-03-27 09:53:16 AM

cynicalminion: YixilTesiphon: Jim_Callahan: Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.

Which is what happened.

in which case, she is still up for attempted vehicular manslaughter...  this ain't the movies, folks.  if you try and run someone over, the cops will want to talk to you whether they were in front of your car or not.

it gets worse if the person(s?) in front of your car dies...

my take on all this is, if you don't know your vehicle is equipped with a horn, know how to plant your elbow in it while dialling 911 after you take your selfie of "harrassed by fake cops getting tri-delt supplies... #mixers #yolo" you deserve whatever you get.


Problem is, it's sometimes a chickenshiat charge.  Happened to a cousin of mine years ago, he was pulling into a parking space in Boston, and a cop on traffic detail, yakking on his cellphone, absentmindedly steps backwards off the curb right in front of him.  Cousin jams on his brakes, doesn't even hit him, but the cop freaks out, charges him with ABDW (assault and battery with a deadly weapon).

Yeah, cousin's attorney got it tossed in record time, but cousin still had to show up in court twice, pay the lawyer, etc, etc, etc.
 
2014-03-27 09:55:58 AM
First, they weren't cops. They were ABC enforcement officers. Why the fark does the ABC even have an enforcement division. Don't we have state police -- who are adequately and properly trained -- to deal with this shiat?

Second, it wasn't a liquor store. It was a grocery store in a large retail shopping center.

Third, this is a town where a kidnapping/rape/murder from a few years ago remains unsolved. Meanwhile, almost every weekend there is an assault on or around UVA's campus. And she had just attended a Take Back the Night program designed to educate people about these very issues.

$40 million is steep, but the problems run deep. I hope she gets every cent.
 
2014-03-27 09:56:16 AM

Thingster: shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.

She walks out of the store, several plain clothes ABC agents descend on her, don't ID themselves, she runs, gets to car, slams it in gear, goes, clips two in the process before one of them thinks to produce a badge and ID.

over a case of canned water.


Where I teeter is the id themselves.

If they did, she's screwed.

If they didn't, screw them.
 
2014-03-27 09:56:59 AM

omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.


You're not even vaguely correct in your statements. The court decided in her favor so far as to expunge everything from her record. Don't feel bad, though - a lot of idiots in this thread are arguing a position already clarified by the legal system: she did nothing wrong.
 
2014-03-27 09:59:58 AM
She is doing her part to ensure the reputation of UVA students as self-entitled twats.
 
2014-03-27 10:03:08 AM

Thingster: She walks out of the store, several plain clothes ABC agents descend on her, don't ID themselves, she runs, gets to car, slams it in gear, goes, clips two in the process before one of them thinks to produce a badge and ID.

over a case of canned water.


see this is the problem...  if they're "deputies", they don't HAVE badges, or IDs, or ANY sort of crap to hang their spiffy little hats on.

seeing that it's "FOLLOWUP" territory, and NOW she's filing suit, i'd be more sympathetic if she were filing harassment charges with the state, rather than going for money.  she wasn't hurt, and they're not charging her with trying to run over billy-joe-jim-bob-junior-the-third.  so, the settlement here should be competency, not money.
 
2014-03-27 10:11:03 AM

cynicalminion: oh STFU, i said if you don't immediately activate whatever panic-mode feature you have on your car if you're being attacked, you're STUPID, not that she's a whore who deserved to get raped.


Yeah, she locked the door and had her friend call 911, after they tried to break the window she drove away, and she is still stupid in her book.

I said nothing about rape, and you are full of shiat is you are pretending you weren't mocking her for being in a sorority.


cynicalminion: i'm NOT against her defending herself here, but monumental stupidity on their part doesn't automatically make lawbreaking on her part okay.


Driving away when gunmen are trying to break your windo is self defense, you are against her defending yourself.


cynicalminion: and from my perspective it looks like she got hassled for buying skittles and wearing a hoodie


I am sure if armed guys were beating on your car window and yelling at you with guns drawn you could call it "hassled".
 
2014-03-27 10:12:09 AM

Carousel Beast: omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.

You're not even vaguely correct in your statements. The court decided in her favor so far as to expunge everything from her record. Don't feel bad, though - a lot of idiots in this thread are arguing a position already clarified by the legal system: she did nothing wrong.


(re-bolded because)

that's not what's being argued (by me anyway)... it's just that she's now gone lawsuit-happy on folks who are already down to "deputizing bubba" and that almost guarantees that she's making sure what happened to her happens to more people too...  and she's getting paid for that.
 
2014-03-27 10:13:48 AM

cynicalminion: that's not what's being argued (by me anyway)...



Ok, then who was saying this?

you deserve whatever you get
 
2014-03-27 10:30:47 AM

cynicalminion: in which case, she is still up for attempted vehicular manslaughter...  this ain't the movies, folks.


Because when six guys dressed as thugs are smashing your windows, your first instinct is to silently sit there and wait for Officer Friendly to fly in and save the day...
 
2014-03-27 10:30:47 AM

Tatterdemalian: jso2897: It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?

Ever hear of "unintended consequences?"

Because the behavior of the cops in this story is one of them.

/making sure the cops have to be perfect and precognitive or else they will not only suffer for the damage done, but also for punitive damages for their imperfection
//somehow I don't think you thought your cunning ideology all the way through


Yep, start collecting the sperm of our political enemies.

/That book turned so stupid.
 
2014-03-27 10:31:28 AM

shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.


http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/u-va-student-sues-state-abc-age nt s-for-million/article_a5e91ce8-b508-11e3-ac72-0017a43b2370.html
According to the suit, Daly and two friends went to a Harris Teeter store in Daly's Chevrolet Trailblazer, arriving shortly before 10 p.m. Among other items purchased by one of Daly's friends was a case of canned LaCroix sparkling water. The women walked into the parking lot, one of them carrying the clearly visible sparkling water.
Seven ABC agents were in the parking lot watching for young-looking individuals and checking their identification to ensure no state laws were bring broken. Two agents followed the three to their car.
Daly got behind the wheel, one friend sat in the front passenger seat and placed the sparkling water on the floor and the other friend got in the back seat. Before starting the car, Daly saw two people approach the car and begin banging on the windows.
The two agents, says the suit, "allegedly displayed their badges hanging from necklaces which at the time and under the circumstances were not clearly visible or readable."
The agents warned Daly not to turn on the car, but she and a friend were unable to open the windows using buttons because the car was not running. Other agents ran to the car.
The suit alleges that Daly called 911 on her cellphone, which she handed to a friend. The friend told the operator that they could not tell if the agents were real law enforcement officers.
Daly "was shaking and saying, 'I don't know what to do!'" One agent suddenly drew a gun, pointing it toward the ground.
When an agent tried to break a passenger window with a steel flashlight, Daly drove off with some of the agents chasing on foot. She drove out of the parking lot and stopped at a red light intending to drive to a police station.
While at the red light, the 911 operator confirmed to the women that they were real ABC agents, according to the suit.
Police arrived on the scene and drove Daly to the police station, where an ABC agent swore out a criminal complaint that led to Daly's arrest over assaulting two agents and over failing to stop when ordered.
Daly spent the night in jail and was released the following afternoon. On June 27, the charged were dropped. On Oct. 22, the arrest and court records were expunged.
"The agents acted with actual malice, out of embarrassment and disgrace for their own intentional and grossly negligent acts and charged [Daly] with three felonies and did so out of anger and personal spite," alleges the suit filed by Richmond lawyers James Thorsen and John Honey.
 
2014-03-27 10:33:06 AM

liam76: cynicalminion: oh STFU, i said if you don't immediately activate whatever panic-mode feature you have on your car if you're being attacked, you're STUPID, not that she's a whore who deserved to get raped.

Yeah, she locked the door and had her friend call 911, after they tried to break the window she drove away, and she is still stupid in her book.

I said nothing about rape, and you are full of shiat is you are pretending you weren't mocking her for being in a sorority.


cynicalminion: i'm NOT against her defending herself here, but monumental stupidity on their part doesn't automatically make lawbreaking on her part okay.

Driving away when gunmen are trying to break your windo is self defense, you are against her defending yourself.


cynicalminion: and from my perspective it looks like she got hassled for buying skittles and wearing a hoodie

I am sure if armed guys were beating on your car window and yelling at you with guns drawn you could call it "hassled".


img.fark.net
"you're so cute when you froth at the mouth"
 
2014-03-27 10:37:29 AM

cynicalminion: and that almost guarantees that she's making sure what happened to her happens to more people too...  and she's getting paid for that.


img.fark.net

I'm pretty sure this specific case is causing a state level review of ABC enforcement efforts. Not sure it will amount to anything, but at least some higher ups are now publicly aware that there are some serious problems as things are now.
 
2014-03-27 10:39:26 AM

cynicalminion: i'm NOT against her defending herself here, but monumental stupidity on their part doesn't automatically make lawbreaking on her part okay.


Where did she break the law?
 
2014-03-27 10:39:47 AM

SwingingJohnson: shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/u-va-student-sues-state-abc-age nt s-for-million/article_a5e91ce8-b508-11e3-ac72-0017a43b2370.html
According to the suit, Daly and two friends went to a Harris Teeter store in Daly's Chevrolet Trailblazer, arriving shortly before 10 p.m. Among other items purchased by one of Daly's friends was a case of canned LaCroix sparkling water. The women walked into the parking lot, one of them carrying the clearly visible sparkling water.
Seven ABC agents were in the parking lot watching for young-looking individuals and checking their identification to ensure no state laws were bring broken. Two agents followed the three to their car.
Daly got behind the wheel, one friend sat in the front passenger seat and placed the sparkling water on the floor and the other friend got in the back seat. Before starting the car, Daly saw two people approach the car and begin banging on the windows.
The two agents, says the suit, "allegedly displayed their badges hanging from necklaces which at the time and under the circumstances were not clearly visible or readable."
The agents warned Daly not to turn on the car, but she and a friend were unable to open the windows using buttons because the car was not running. Other agents ran to the car.
The suit alleges that Daly called 911 on her cellphone, which she handed to a friend. The friend told the operator that they could not tell if the agents were real law enforcement officers.
Daly "was shaking and saying, 'I don't know what to do!'" One agent suddenly drew a gun, pointing it toward the ground.
When an agent tried to break a passenger window with a steel flashlight, Daly drove off with some of the agents chasing on foot. She drove out of the parking lot and stopped at a red light intending to drive to a police station.
While at the red light, the 911 operator confirmed to the women that they were real ABC agents, according to the suit. ...


i don't even have a farking license and i still know you do not have to START the car to use the battery power.
 
2014-03-27 10:40:37 AM

alizeran: cynicalminion: and that almost guarantees that she's making sure what happened to her happens to more people too...  and she's getting paid for that.

[img.fark.net image 252x461]

I'm pretty sure this specific case is causing a state level review of ABC enforcement efforts. Not sure it will amount to anything, but at least some higher ups are now publicly aware that there are some serious problems as things are now.


GOOD, and not in the grumpy cat way.
 
2014-03-27 10:44:32 AM

SurfaceTension: cynicalminion: i'm NOT against her defending herself here, but monumental stupidity on their part doesn't automatically make lawbreaking on her part okay.

Where did she break the law?


apparently she didn't, i'm not the one who brought up running people over.
 
2014-03-27 10:47:11 AM

cynicalminion: you're so cute when you froth at the mouth


Pointing out how stupid your comments are (from blaming the victim, to lying abotu your own stance) doesn't require me to be frothing at the mouth.

I will admit I find it a bit disturbing that this exchange has made you think of man on elf or elf on man gay sex. I will try and remember to steer clear of any LOTR threads with you in it.
 
2014-03-27 10:55:30 AM
i141.photobucket.com

40...MILLION...DOLLARS?  Are you flucking shiating me?!?!  Beotch gotta be white!
 
2014-03-27 11:01:00 AM

alizeran: The enforcement wing of the ABC is not that large, so when they do raids / sting ops or whatever, they bring in "deputies", which as near as I can figure is "a bunch of the agent's rambo friends. Now I don't care where you're from, when I say 'Bubbas from rural Greene Co VA', the picture that gets painted in your head is most likely not far from the truth. These guys, if they have any training at all, its at the Marriot Conference room C over a long saturday. They are probably wearing 'tactical socks' that they bought on line. They scare me even when I am not being bum rushed by them at night. They live for this shiat, so when they get a chance to shoot their wad, they go for it.

Virginia has the weirdest relationship with alcohol. The laws are so cryptic and weird and complicated, and yet, everyone here is soused 24/7 it seems.


Soused is not a VA thing; according to a liquor distributor bud, CVille is off the charts as far as liquor consumption goes.

/it's wonderful
 
2014-03-27 11:02:37 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-27 11:17:53 AM
$40 million? fark no! $10K plus reasonable attorney fees. Now get everyone involved out of my court room.

Next case...
 
2014-03-27 11:38:42 AM

cynicalminion: SwingingJohnson: shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/u-va-student-sues-state-abc-age nt s-for-million/article_a5e91ce8-b508-11e3-ac72-0017a43b2370.html
According to the suit, Daly and two friends went to a Harris Teeter store in Daly's Chevrolet Trailblazer, arriving shortly before 10 p.m. Among other items purchased by one of Daly's friends was a case of canned LaCroix sparkling water. The women walked into the parking lot, one of them carrying the clearly visible sparkling water.
Seven ABC agents were in the parking lot watching for young-looking individuals and checking their identification to ensure no state laws were bring broken. Two agents followed the three to their car.
Daly got behind the wheel, one friend sat in the front passenger seat and placed the sparkling water on the floor and the other friend got in the back seat. Before starting the car, Daly saw two people approach the car and begin banging on the windows.
The two agents, says the suit, "allegedly displayed their badges hanging from necklaces which at the time and under the circumstances were not clearly visible or readable."
The agents warned Daly not to turn on the car, but she and a friend were unable to open the windows using buttons because the car was not running. Other agents ran to the car.
The suit alleges that Daly called 911 on her cellphone, which she handed to a friend. The friend told the operator that they could not tell if the agents were real law enforcement officers.
Daly "was shaking and saying, 'I don't know what to do!'" One agent suddenly drew a gun, pointing it toward the ground.
When an agent tried to break a passenger window with a steel flashlight, Daly drove off with some of the agents chasing on foot. She drove out of the parking lot and stopped at a red light intending to drive to a police station.
While at the red light, the 911 operator confirmed to the women that they were real ABC agents, accor ...


Ever driven a car with a smartkey?
 
2014-03-27 11:53:04 AM
Soused is not a VA thing; according to a liquor distributor bud, CVille is off the charts as far as liquor consumption goes.

/it's wonderful


Yo, belmont oy.
 
2014-03-27 11:56:02 AM

liam76: cynicalminion: you're so cute when you froth at the mouth

Pointing out how stupid your comments are (from blaming the victim, to lying abotu your own stance) doesn't require me to be frothing at the mouth.

I will admit I find it a bit disturbing that this exchange has made you think of man on elf or elf on man gay sex. I will try and remember to steer clear of any LOTR threads with you in it.


do they even MAKE lotr threads?  i'm just talking about how rabid you seem when you're saying things like:

"Driving away when gunmen are trying to break your windo is self defense, you are against her defending yourself. "

i'm not against her defending EITHER of us.  especially not against you.

oh, and...

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?


if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
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2014-03-27 11:58:28 AM

omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.


No.  I've been faced with a fake badge in the hands of a drunk out to have fun scaring people.  What happened to her sounded like the same sort of thing that happened to me except by a pack.  (And in my case the real cops were called and they knew nothing of the incident, my guy certainly was fake.)

water00boy: She could not lower the windows without starting the engine. They were shouting at her to lower her windows. They then proceeded to attempt to break the windows.


Actually you can lower electric windows without starting the engine--turn the key to Run but don't go that last little bit to engage the starter.  All the electrically-operated things in your car will work but the engine-operated things will not.  (Normally that's just the heating and cooling.)

DarkVader: They did not identify as police.

They were brandishing guns.

She had the reasonable belief that her life was in danger, and had the right to use deadly force in self defense. She didn't have a gun, she had a car. Running them over and killing them would have been justifiable self defense.


This.  They acted like bad guys.  They had guns out, it was at the level of deadly force.  She would have been entirely justified in trying to take them out.
 
2014-03-27 12:07:15 PM
cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
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www.colourbox.com

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.
 
2014-03-27 12:19:10 PM

Loren: This. They acted like bad guys. They had guns out, it was at the level of deadly force. She would have been entirely justified in trying to take them out.


with you up until that point.  even in the glorious "god hates freds" thread, i have a problem with people crossing the line of "self-defense" into "well i had to, or else..."  as hateful as people can be, there is no "good" reason for shortening someone's existence.  if you end someone before they can end you, fine.  you had to, we're not blaming you.  if you incapacitate people trying to hurt you...  i'm ok with that unless you're paranoid schizophrenic, in which case i'd still go for decent inpatient therapy over jail.

THIS?  is cop-hate thread-bait...  nobody did anything wrong except the dipshiats playing rent-a-cop, and unless the lawsuit is specifically directed at the individuals involved, you COULD argue that her state income tax (assuming she gets it deducted from her paycheck) will pay her settlement...  it's coming out of the state budget...
 
2014-03-27 12:21:25 PM

redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.


well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...
 
2014-03-27 12:41:24 PM
And, had she ran over one of the `ethanol rangers' in her panic?  And had the `regulators' then shot and killed all three of the Sorority Sisters (a scenario not without precedent)?  Then, yes, I expect the families would definitely suck away 40 mil., or more, from the VA taxpayers (and they'd deserve it for support of this sort of system).  They're probably going to get lucky, this time.  Illegal drugs usually get a pass and you're just dead and innocent and a lawsuit is a crap shoot:   http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Imagine you're the lawyer for the young woman, and this case was actually going to be contested, rather than settled.

'Seven sets of `well trained' eyes scouring the parking lot of the Harris Teeter, the regulators standing around, in a fury of skill, to `ice' underage boozers';
Then I'd set the   "case of canned LaCroix sparkling water" in front of the jury.  'Looked like a case of what beer, `officer? You didn't think to identify yourself to her and examine the product?"
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2014-03-27 12:51:33 PM

Crazy Lee: And, had she ran over one of the `ethanol rangers' in her panic?  And had the `regulators' then shot and killed all three of the Sorority Sisters (a scenario not without precedent)?  Then, yes, I expect the families would definitely suck away 40 mil., or more, from the VA taxpayers (and they'd deserve it for support of this sort of system).  They're probably going to get lucky, this time.  Illegal drugs usually get a pass and you're just dead and innocent and a lawsuit is a crap shoot:   http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Imagine you're the lawyer for the young woman, and this case was actually going to be contested, rather than settled.

'Seven sets of `well trained' eyes scouring the parking lot of the Harris Teeter, the regulators standing around, in a fury of skill, to `ice' underage boozers';
Then I'd set the   "case of canned LaCroix sparkling water" in front of the jury.  'Looked like a case of what beer, `officer? You didn't think to identify yourself to her and examine the product?"
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well, it TASTES better than horse piss, it's GOTTA be better than "the beast"
 
2014-03-27 01:19:28 PM

SwingingJohnson: shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/u-va-student-sues-state-abc-age nt s-for-million/article_a5e91ce8-b508-11e3-ac72-0017a43b2370.html
According to the suit, Daly and two friends went to a Harris Teeter store in Daly's Chevrolet Trailblazer, arriving shortly before 10 p.m. Among other items purchased by one of Daly's friends was a case of canned LaCroix sparkling water. The women walked into the parking lot, one of them carrying the clearly visible sparkling water.
Seven ABC agents were in the parking lot watching for young-looking individuals and checking their identification to ensure no state laws were bring broken. Two agents followed the three to their car.
Daly got behind the wheel, one friend sat in the front passenger seat and placed the sparkling water on the floor and the other friend got in the back seat. Before starting the car, Daly saw two people approach the car and begin banging on the windows.
The two agents, says the suit, "allegedly displayed their badges hanging from necklaces which at the time and under the circumstances were not clearly visible or readable."
The agents warned Daly not to turn on the car, but she and a friend were unable to open the windows using buttons because the car was not running. Other agents ran to the car.
The suit alleges that Daly called 911 on her cellphone, which she handed to a friend. The friend told the operator that they could not tell if the agents were real law enforcement officers.
Daly "was shaking and saying, 'I don't know what to do!'" One agent suddenly drew a gun, pointing it toward the ground.
When an agent tried to break a passenger window with a steel flashlight, Daly drove off with some of the agents chasing on foot. She drove out of the parking lot and stopped at a red light intending to drive to a police station.
While at the red light, the 911 operator confirmed to the women that they were real ABC agents, according to the suit.
Police arrived on the scene and drove Daly to the police station, where an ABC agent swore out a criminal complaint that led to Daly's arrest over assaulting two agents and over failing to stop when ordered.
Daly spent the night in jail and was released the following afternoon. On June 27, the charged were dropped. On Oct. 22, the arrest and court records were expunged.
"The agents acted with actual malice, out of embarrassment and disgrace for their own intentional and grossly negligent acts and charged [Daly] with three felonies and did so out of anger and personal spite," alleges the suit filed by Richmond lawyers James Thorsen and John Honey.


Yeah. That seems a over board for under age drinking.

They could have called in the girls car to a police cruiser to pull them over for a traffic stop.
 
2014-03-27 01:39:02 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
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[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...


Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.
 
2014-03-27 02:24:39 PM

redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.


do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.
 
2014-03-27 02:46:58 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.


I suggest you look up what a smart key is, because there isn't anywhere for you to insert and turn a key in those systems.
 
2014-03-27 02:58:17 PM

Archer0T8: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.

I suggest you look up what a smart key is, because there isn't anywhere for you to insert and turn a key in those systems.


i suggest someone somewhere provide a reason why a car should start without it's owner physically telling it to...

and if it can operate your vehicle without putting anything into it, guess what, add something else to the list of why batman's a vigilante and not on gordon-leavitt's payroll.
 
2014-03-27 03:01:39 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.


Yeah you don't know what a smart key is. That's fine. I only know what they are because of car rentals from work travel. There is no "key." It's a fob you keep in your pocket or stick in the car. It lets you start the car by pushing a button. They aren't that rare or limited to high end cars.
 
2014-03-27 03:02:25 PM

cynicalminion: Archer0T8: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.

I suggest you look up what a smart key is, because there isn't anywhere for you to insert and turn a key in those systems.

i suggest someone somewhere provide a reason why a car should start without it's owner physically telling it to...

and if it can operate your vehicle without putting anything into it, guess what, add something else to the list of why batman's a vigilante and not on gordon-leavitt's payroll.


Wow you *really* do not understand what a smart key is.
 
2014-03-27 03:13:45 PM

redmid17: It lets you start the car by pushing a button.


yup, that's what i thought it was...  that's incredibly stupid on so many levels that i'm surprised the car companies let it happen.

go ahead and explain to me how someone with the right codes can't just press a button as they walk through a rent-a-car lot, and drive out with the car.

this doesn't change the fact that the rent-a-cops are dumb, and she's going after taxpayer dollars in an election year, and THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO OPEN THE WINDOW WHILE THE ENGINE IS NOT FUNCTIONING.
 
2014-03-27 03:19:26 PM

redmid17: Yeah you don't know what a smart key is. That's fine. I only know what they are because of car rentals from work travel. There is no "key." It's a fob you keep in your pocket or stick in the car. It lets you start the car by pushing a button. They aren't that rare or limited to high end cars


To the dum-dum's credit there are smart keys where you still turn a knob like you are turning a key, so you can engage it part way and run off battery power.

I am sure there is a way to do it for push-button cars, but once again it is a moot point.

Her reactions were reasonable given that gun toting goons were pounding on her window with no clear police identification and no legitimite cause in an area where fake cops had been a problem.
 
2014-03-27 03:20:12 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: It lets you start the car by pushing a button.

yup, that's what i thought it was...  that's incredibly stupid on so many levels that i'm surprised the car companies let it happen.

go ahead and explain to me how someone with the right codes can't just press a button as they walk through a rent-a-car lot, and drive out with the car.

this doesn't change the fact that the rent-a-cops are dumb, and she's going after taxpayer dollars in an election year, and THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO OPEN THE WINDOW WHILE THE ENGINE IS NOT FUNCTIONING.


I won't touch the security issues with them, mostly because I don't care.

I will address the bolded part: You're wrong. Even after I turned the engine off and the radio was still playing, the windows would not roll down. Short of breaking them open, which one of the idiot deputies was doing, you can't. Then again, we have no idea if her Trailblazer uses a smart key.

Also I'm not sure what an election year has to do with the taxpayer dollar outrage. The cops farked up. They need to pay.
 
2014-03-27 04:12:44 PM

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 190x240]

40...MILLION...DOLLARS?  Are you flucking shiating me?!?!  Beotch gotta be white!


Of course she is white, if she was black she would be in prison serving 40 consecutive life terms.
 
2014-03-27 04:18:26 PM

cynicalminion: with you up until that point.  even in the glorious "god hates freds" thread, i have a problem with people crossing the line of "self-defense" into "well i had to, or else..."  as hateful as people can be, there is no "good" reason for shortening someone's existence.


So if a group of unidentified armed thugs is pointing guns at you and breaking your windows, while others are standing in front of your car blocking your escape, what do you do? Do you sit there and wait for Officer Friendly to fly in and zip up your body bag, or do you attempt to drive away and force them to move?
 
2014-03-27 04:20:22 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Huggermugger: spamdog: Why do you need alcoholic beverage control officers?

Don't you fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?

Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.

Cops are civilians, too.
/Stop buying and spreading their bullshiat.


When someone is a heavily-trained and highly-armed killer who's held in check by swearing to protect the public and openly supported by the public, I'm not sure they count as 'civilian' anymore. Non-military, sure. But not a civilian.
 
2014-03-27 04:24:25 PM

Crazy Lee: And, had she ran over one of the `ethanol rangers' in her panic?  And had the `regulators' then shot and killed all three of the Sorority Sisters (a scenario not without precedent)?  Then, yes, I expect the families would definitely suck away 40 mil., or more, from the VA taxpayers (and they'd deserve it for support of this sort of system).  They're probably going to get lucky, this time.  Illegal drugs usually get a pass and you're just dead and innocent and a lawsuit is a crap shoot:   http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Imagine you're the lawyer for the young woman, and this case was actually going to be contested, rather than settled.

'Seven sets of `well trained' eyes scouring the parking lot of the Harris Teeter, the regulators standing around, in a fury of skill, to `ice' underage boozers';
Then I'd set the   "case of canned LaCroix sparkling water" in front of the jury.  'Looked like a case of what beer, `officer? You didn't think to identify yourself to her and examine the product?"
[jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com image 500x438]


This! They couldn't walk up and calmly identify themselves and wait for her to roll the windows down? Most cops, et al, are power tripping assholes walking around with raging hard ons looking to keep our streets safe, begging for some action. Don't believe me? Look at what happened in Florida with a wannabe cop. And don't all of you go up and surround the vehicle at once. What did you expect her her to think? Send two at the most and NOT on both sides of the vehicle.

It's too bad she didn't actually run them over, instead of just 'clipping' them.
 
2014-03-27 05:25:55 PM
Okay, so not to go al "facty".

Last production year for Chevy Trailblazer - 2009
Had a fob that allowed remote unlock, but had a regular key for the ignition.
Owners manual says that power windows work in either ACC or ON position.  (And in power retention mode, which is probably after you turn the engine off, but before you open the door).

All that said.

Young girl/girls, dark parking lot.  Lots of scary men.  No uniforms.

Get the hell out of danger.  Call 911.

Running over scary men pounding on your car pretty much meets the definition for the defense of Necessity.

Cops need serious retraining.
 
2014-03-27 05:35:51 PM
Meh, we'll see what the actual facts/timeline are when a trial happens, if it comes to that(they'll probably settle for a pittance, and she'll cave).

Modern media is highly biased, it's pretty damn obvious in most articles that they're not relaying events in the order in which they happened.  They're not trying to report, they're trying to villify.  Not so different than NBC(if that's the right network), tainting the public's perception of the Zimmerman case by selective reporting, even going so far as to edit the 911 calls.

Surprise of surprises, I recognize many of the same gullible names from those threads in here, kneeling and paying homage to the gods of sensationalist reporting in utter faith.

/cue "I want to believe" streetlamp . jpg
 
2014-03-27 07:26:22 PM

omeganuepsilon: Meh, we'll see what the actual facts/timeline are when a trial happens, if it comes to that(they'll probably settle for a pittance, and she'll cave).

Modern media is highly biased, it's pretty damn obvious in most articles that they're not relaying events in the order in which they happened.  They're not trying to report, they're trying to villify.  Not so different than NBC(if that's the right network), tainting the public's perception of the Zimmerman case by selective reporting, even going so far as to edit the 911 calls.

Surprise of surprises, I recognize many of the same gullible names from those threads in here, kneeling and paying homage to the gods of sensationalist reporting in utter faith.

/cue "I want to believe" streetlamp . jpg


The DA's office already made the felony charges go away and has already distanced itself as far from their `regulators' as is possible (retraining, anyone?).  They're farked, and they're lucky to be only somewhat farked (no one injured/killed - that would have been fun for the media).
It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal (if it even gets that far - State will be making an offer if they already haven't).
 
2014-03-27 07:28:26 PM
So 7 agents stand around asking people to identify themselves for absolutely no reason at all?

The epitome of wasteful policing.  These are the same guys who go to the earths end to trick their way into bars and then fine away.  They basically want pentagon levels of security at the entrances.
 
2014-03-27 07:58:25 PM

Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal


Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.
 
2014-03-27 08:56:33 PM
The cops in this case were idiots, but now she is suing a public entity?  So, great, the tax payers get to pay for it.  Guess what lady?  You are also an idiot.

/Shameful that she is also a Hoo.
 
2014-03-27 08:57:00 PM

omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal

Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.


Well, if you want to consider that `caving', then we'll use that.  With any luck she won't `cave' until she burns the State for as much as possible.  This might serve as a reminder to those whose responsibility it is to conduct these operations at the lowest cost possible, to do so.
 
2014-03-28 05:07:09 AM

Crazy Lee: omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal

Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.

Well, if you want to consider that `caving', then we'll use that.  With any luck she won't `cave' until she burns the State for as much as possible.  This might serve as a reminder to those whose responsibility it is to conduct these operations at the lowest cost possible, to do so.


Ah, I see.  Your twat hurts because I said "cave".  That's one colloquial word for when people set a goal and then settle for less.

As to the bold, you're a freaking idiot.

Punishing the state for the actions of individuals does nothing.  It's like kicking your wife in the clam when the dog shiats in your shoes. The dog is going to continue to shiat in your shoes(if and when he feels like it) but your wife is going to get super pissed.
 
2014-03-28 07:21:28 AM

omeganuepsilon: Punishing the state for the actions of individuals does nothing.


It makes the State hire better people, and train them better, and redefine the rules as to what is acceptable, all so as to avoid the same thing happening in the future.

It's like kicking your wife in the clam when the dog shiats in your shoes.

Horrible analogy, but...It makes perfect sense if she's the one who forgot to let the dog go outside- by punishing her, she'll now remember to let the dog out, and the dog can do it's business in the yard instead of my loafers.
 
2014-03-28 07:26:03 AM

omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal

Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.

Well, if you want to consider that `caving', then we'll use that.  With any luck she won't `cave' until she burns the State for as much as possible.  This might serve as a reminder to those whose responsibility it is to conduct these operations at the lowest cost possible, to do so.

Ah, I see.  Your twat hurts because I said "cave".  That's one colloquial word for when people set a goal and then settle for less.

As to the bold, you're a freaking idiot.

Punishing the state for the actions of individuals does nothing.  It's like kicking your wife in the clam when the dog shiats in your shoes. The dog is going to continue to shiat in your shoes(if and when he feels like it) but your wife is going to get super pissed.


Weren't you all hellbent on stricter punishments for PSU after it came out what a sicko Sandusky was?


When the state has low level workers pull BS, and then doesn't punish them for it, yeah they deserve to be sued. It prevents it from happening again.
 
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