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(WTOP)   Remember that UVA student who had her car swarmed by cops because she bought some water, and in her panic she grazed a couple of cops as she fled but the charges were dropped? Yeah, that's a payday that was just too tempting to give up   (wtop.com) divider line 186
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2014-03-27 11:01:00 AM

alizeran: The enforcement wing of the ABC is not that large, so when they do raids / sting ops or whatever, they bring in "deputies", which as near as I can figure is "a bunch of the agent's rambo friends. Now I don't care where you're from, when I say 'Bubbas from rural Greene Co VA', the picture that gets painted in your head is most likely not far from the truth. These guys, if they have any training at all, its at the Marriot Conference room C over a long saturday. They are probably wearing 'tactical socks' that they bought on line. They scare me even when I am not being bum rushed by them at night. They live for this shiat, so when they get a chance to shoot their wad, they go for it.

Virginia has the weirdest relationship with alcohol. The laws are so cryptic and weird and complicated, and yet, everyone here is soused 24/7 it seems.


Soused is not a VA thing; according to a liquor distributor bud, CVille is off the charts as far as liquor consumption goes.

/it's wonderful
 
2014-03-27 11:02:37 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-27 11:17:53 AM
$40 million? fark no! $10K plus reasonable attorney fees. Now get everyone involved out of my court room.

Next case...
 
2014-03-27 11:38:42 AM

cynicalminion: SwingingJohnson: shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/u-va-student-sues-state-abc-age nt s-for-million/article_a5e91ce8-b508-11e3-ac72-0017a43b2370.html
According to the suit, Daly and two friends went to a Harris Teeter store in Daly's Chevrolet Trailblazer, arriving shortly before 10 p.m. Among other items purchased by one of Daly's friends was a case of canned LaCroix sparkling water. The women walked into the parking lot, one of them carrying the clearly visible sparkling water.
Seven ABC agents were in the parking lot watching for young-looking individuals and checking their identification to ensure no state laws were bring broken. Two agents followed the three to their car.
Daly got behind the wheel, one friend sat in the front passenger seat and placed the sparkling water on the floor and the other friend got in the back seat. Before starting the car, Daly saw two people approach the car and begin banging on the windows.
The two agents, says the suit, "allegedly displayed their badges hanging from necklaces which at the time and under the circumstances were not clearly visible or readable."
The agents warned Daly not to turn on the car, but she and a friend were unable to open the windows using buttons because the car was not running. Other agents ran to the car.
The suit alleges that Daly called 911 on her cellphone, which she handed to a friend. The friend told the operator that they could not tell if the agents were real law enforcement officers.
Daly "was shaking and saying, 'I don't know what to do!'" One agent suddenly drew a gun, pointing it toward the ground.
When an agent tried to break a passenger window with a steel flashlight, Daly drove off with some of the agents chasing on foot. She drove out of the parking lot and stopped at a red light intending to drive to a police station.
While at the red light, the 911 operator confirmed to the women that they were real ABC agents, accor ...


Ever driven a car with a smartkey?
 
2014-03-27 11:53:04 AM
Soused is not a VA thing; according to a liquor distributor bud, CVille is off the charts as far as liquor consumption goes.

/it's wonderful


Yo, belmont oy.
 
2014-03-27 11:56:02 AM

liam76: cynicalminion: you're so cute when you froth at the mouth

Pointing out how stupid your comments are (from blaming the victim, to lying abotu your own stance) doesn't require me to be frothing at the mouth.

I will admit I find it a bit disturbing that this exchange has made you think of man on elf or elf on man gay sex. I will try and remember to steer clear of any LOTR threads with you in it.


do they even MAKE lotr threads?  i'm just talking about how rabid you seem when you're saying things like:

"Driving away when gunmen are trying to break your windo is self defense, you are against her defending yourself. "

i'm not against her defending EITHER of us.  especially not against you.

oh, and...

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?


if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
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2014-03-27 11:58:28 AM

omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.


No.  I've been faced with a fake badge in the hands of a drunk out to have fun scaring people.  What happened to her sounded like the same sort of thing that happened to me except by a pack.  (And in my case the real cops were called and they knew nothing of the incident, my guy certainly was fake.)

water00boy: She could not lower the windows without starting the engine. They were shouting at her to lower her windows. They then proceeded to attempt to break the windows.


Actually you can lower electric windows without starting the engine--turn the key to Run but don't go that last little bit to engage the starter.  All the electrically-operated things in your car will work but the engine-operated things will not.  (Normally that's just the heating and cooling.)

DarkVader: They did not identify as police.

They were brandishing guns.

She had the reasonable belief that her life was in danger, and had the right to use deadly force in self defense. She didn't have a gun, she had a car. Running them over and killing them would have been justifiable self defense.


This.  They acted like bad guys.  They had guns out, it was at the level of deadly force.  She would have been entirely justified in trying to take them out.
 
2014-03-27 12:07:15 PM
cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
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www.colourbox.com

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.
 
2014-03-27 12:19:10 PM

Loren: This. They acted like bad guys. They had guns out, it was at the level of deadly force. She would have been entirely justified in trying to take them out.


with you up until that point.  even in the glorious "god hates freds" thread, i have a problem with people crossing the line of "self-defense" into "well i had to, or else..."  as hateful as people can be, there is no "good" reason for shortening someone's existence.  if you end someone before they can end you, fine.  you had to, we're not blaming you.  if you incapacitate people trying to hurt you...  i'm ok with that unless you're paranoid schizophrenic, in which case i'd still go for decent inpatient therapy over jail.

THIS?  is cop-hate thread-bait...  nobody did anything wrong except the dipshiats playing rent-a-cop, and unless the lawsuit is specifically directed at the individuals involved, you COULD argue that her state income tax (assuming she gets it deducted from her paycheck) will pay her settlement...  it's coming out of the state budget...
 
2014-03-27 12:21:25 PM

redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.


well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...
 
2014-03-27 12:41:24 PM
And, had she ran over one of the `ethanol rangers' in her panic?  And had the `regulators' then shot and killed all three of the Sorority Sisters (a scenario not without precedent)?  Then, yes, I expect the families would definitely suck away 40 mil., or more, from the VA taxpayers (and they'd deserve it for support of this sort of system).  They're probably going to get lucky, this time.  Illegal drugs usually get a pass and you're just dead and innocent and a lawsuit is a crap shoot:   http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Imagine you're the lawyer for the young woman, and this case was actually going to be contested, rather than settled.

'Seven sets of `well trained' eyes scouring the parking lot of the Harris Teeter, the regulators standing around, in a fury of skill, to `ice' underage boozers';
Then I'd set the   "case of canned LaCroix sparkling water" in front of the jury.  'Looked like a case of what beer, `officer? You didn't think to identify yourself to her and examine the product?"
jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-27 12:51:33 PM

Crazy Lee: And, had she ran over one of the `ethanol rangers' in her panic?  And had the `regulators' then shot and killed all three of the Sorority Sisters (a scenario not without precedent)?  Then, yes, I expect the families would definitely suck away 40 mil., or more, from the VA taxpayers (and they'd deserve it for support of this sort of system).  They're probably going to get lucky, this time.  Illegal drugs usually get a pass and you're just dead and innocent and a lawsuit is a crap shoot:   http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Imagine you're the lawyer for the young woman, and this case was actually going to be contested, rather than settled.

'Seven sets of `well trained' eyes scouring the parking lot of the Harris Teeter, the regulators standing around, in a fury of skill, to `ice' underage boozers';
Then I'd set the   "case of canned LaCroix sparkling water" in front of the jury.  'Looked like a case of what beer, `officer? You didn't think to identify yourself to her and examine the product?"
[jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com image 500x438]


well, it TASTES better than horse piss, it's GOTTA be better than "the beast"
 
2014-03-27 01:19:28 PM

SwingingJohnson: shtychkn: Not enough details in that article for me to make a call.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/u-va-student-sues-state-abc-age nt s-for-million/article_a5e91ce8-b508-11e3-ac72-0017a43b2370.html
According to the suit, Daly and two friends went to a Harris Teeter store in Daly's Chevrolet Trailblazer, arriving shortly before 10 p.m. Among other items purchased by one of Daly's friends was a case of canned LaCroix sparkling water. The women walked into the parking lot, one of them carrying the clearly visible sparkling water.
Seven ABC agents were in the parking lot watching for young-looking individuals and checking their identification to ensure no state laws were bring broken. Two agents followed the three to their car.
Daly got behind the wheel, one friend sat in the front passenger seat and placed the sparkling water on the floor and the other friend got in the back seat. Before starting the car, Daly saw two people approach the car and begin banging on the windows.
The two agents, says the suit, "allegedly displayed their badges hanging from necklaces which at the time and under the circumstances were not clearly visible or readable."
The agents warned Daly not to turn on the car, but she and a friend were unable to open the windows using buttons because the car was not running. Other agents ran to the car.
The suit alleges that Daly called 911 on her cellphone, which she handed to a friend. The friend told the operator that they could not tell if the agents were real law enforcement officers.
Daly "was shaking and saying, 'I don't know what to do!'" One agent suddenly drew a gun, pointing it toward the ground.
When an agent tried to break a passenger window with a steel flashlight, Daly drove off with some of the agents chasing on foot. She drove out of the parking lot and stopped at a red light intending to drive to a police station.
While at the red light, the 911 operator confirmed to the women that they were real ABC agents, according to the suit.
Police arrived on the scene and drove Daly to the police station, where an ABC agent swore out a criminal complaint that led to Daly's arrest over assaulting two agents and over failing to stop when ordered.
Daly spent the night in jail and was released the following afternoon. On June 27, the charged were dropped. On Oct. 22, the arrest and court records were expunged.
"The agents acted with actual malice, out of embarrassment and disgrace for their own intentional and grossly negligent acts and charged [Daly] with three felonies and did so out of anger and personal spite," alleges the suit filed by Richmond lawyers James Thorsen and John Honey.


Yeah. That seems a over board for under age drinking.

They could have called in the girls car to a police cruiser to pull them over for a traffic stop.
 
2014-03-27 01:39:02 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...


Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.
 
2014-03-27 02:24:39 PM

redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.


do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.
 
2014-03-27 02:46:58 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.


I suggest you look up what a smart key is, because there isn't anywhere for you to insert and turn a key in those systems.
 
2014-03-27 02:58:17 PM

Archer0T8: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.

I suggest you look up what a smart key is, because there isn't anywhere for you to insert and turn a key in those systems.


i suggest someone somewhere provide a reason why a car should start without it's owner physically telling it to...

and if it can operate your vehicle without putting anything into it, guess what, add something else to the list of why batman's a vigilante and not on gordon-leavitt's payroll.
 
2014-03-27 03:01:39 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.


Yeah you don't know what a smart key is. That's fine. I only know what they are because of car rentals from work travel. There is no "key." It's a fob you keep in your pocket or stick in the car. It lets you start the car by pushing a button. They aren't that rare or limited to high end cars.
 
2014-03-27 03:02:25 PM

cynicalminion: Archer0T8: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion: redmid17: cynicalminion:

redmid17: Ever driven a car with a smartkey?

if it's such a smartkey, why didn't it open the windows or call the cops?
[img.fark.net image 500x230]

[www.colourbox.com image 373x480]

Got nothing. The last 4-5 cars I've rented required me to start the car to turn on the radio or lower the windows though, which was annoying when I was trying to lower the window after turning the car off.

well then feel free to launch a lawsuit at anyone who's got their radio blasting while they're filling the gas...

you can start a "car" without starting the engine...

Do you know what a smart key is? I'm starting to think you don't.

do you know what battery power is?  i'm starting to think you don't.  unless you're driving a douchemobile x26 (gets you to the gym on time though)  you should easily be able to half turn the key, and be able to operate any of the systems in your car that run off battery power without needing the engine running...

either that or your "smart key" is smarter than you.

I suggest you look up what a smart key is, because there isn't anywhere for you to insert and turn a key in those systems.

i suggest someone somewhere provide a reason why a car should start without it's owner physically telling it to...

and if it can operate your vehicle without putting anything into it, guess what, add something else to the list of why batman's a vigilante and not on gordon-leavitt's payroll.


Wow you *really* do not understand what a smart key is.
 
2014-03-27 03:13:45 PM

redmid17: It lets you start the car by pushing a button.


yup, that's what i thought it was...  that's incredibly stupid on so many levels that i'm surprised the car companies let it happen.

go ahead and explain to me how someone with the right codes can't just press a button as they walk through a rent-a-car lot, and drive out with the car.

this doesn't change the fact that the rent-a-cops are dumb, and she's going after taxpayer dollars in an election year, and THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO OPEN THE WINDOW WHILE THE ENGINE IS NOT FUNCTIONING.
 
2014-03-27 03:19:26 PM

redmid17: Yeah you don't know what a smart key is. That's fine. I only know what they are because of car rentals from work travel. There is no "key." It's a fob you keep in your pocket or stick in the car. It lets you start the car by pushing a button. They aren't that rare or limited to high end cars


To the dum-dum's credit there are smart keys where you still turn a knob like you are turning a key, so you can engage it part way and run off battery power.

I am sure there is a way to do it for push-button cars, but once again it is a moot point.

Her reactions were reasonable given that gun toting goons were pounding on her window with no clear police identification and no legitimite cause in an area where fake cops had been a problem.
 
2014-03-27 03:20:12 PM

cynicalminion: redmid17: It lets you start the car by pushing a button.

yup, that's what i thought it was...  that's incredibly stupid on so many levels that i'm surprised the car companies let it happen.

go ahead and explain to me how someone with the right codes can't just press a button as they walk through a rent-a-car lot, and drive out with the car.

this doesn't change the fact that the rent-a-cops are dumb, and she's going after taxpayer dollars in an election year, and THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO OPEN THE WINDOW WHILE THE ENGINE IS NOT FUNCTIONING.


I won't touch the security issues with them, mostly because I don't care.

I will address the bolded part: You're wrong. Even after I turned the engine off and the radio was still playing, the windows would not roll down. Short of breaking them open, which one of the idiot deputies was doing, you can't. Then again, we have no idea if her Trailblazer uses a smart key.

Also I'm not sure what an election year has to do with the taxpayer dollar outrage. The cops farked up. They need to pay.
 
2014-03-27 04:12:44 PM

trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 190x240]

40...MILLION...DOLLARS?  Are you flucking shiating me?!?!  Beotch gotta be white!


Of course she is white, if she was black she would be in prison serving 40 consecutive life terms.
 
2014-03-27 04:18:26 PM

cynicalminion: with you up until that point.  even in the glorious "god hates freds" thread, i have a problem with people crossing the line of "self-defense" into "well i had to, or else..."  as hateful as people can be, there is no "good" reason for shortening someone's existence.


So if a group of unidentified armed thugs is pointing guns at you and breaking your windows, while others are standing in front of your car blocking your escape, what do you do? Do you sit there and wait for Officer Friendly to fly in and zip up your body bag, or do you attempt to drive away and force them to move?
 
2014-03-27 04:20:22 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Huggermugger: spamdog: Why do you need alcoholic beverage control officers?

Don't you fine the living shiat out of companies that sell to minors?

Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.

Cops are civilians, too.
/Stop buying and spreading their bullshiat.


When someone is a heavily-trained and highly-armed killer who's held in check by swearing to protect the public and openly supported by the public, I'm not sure they count as 'civilian' anymore. Non-military, sure. But not a civilian.
 
2014-03-27 04:24:25 PM

Crazy Lee: And, had she ran over one of the `ethanol rangers' in her panic?  And had the `regulators' then shot and killed all three of the Sorority Sisters (a scenario not without precedent)?  Then, yes, I expect the families would definitely suck away 40 mil., or more, from the VA taxpayers (and they'd deserve it for support of this sort of system).  They're probably going to get lucky, this time.  Illegal drugs usually get a pass and you're just dead and innocent and a lawsuit is a crap shoot:   http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Imagine you're the lawyer for the young woman, and this case was actually going to be contested, rather than settled.

'Seven sets of `well trained' eyes scouring the parking lot of the Harris Teeter, the regulators standing around, in a fury of skill, to `ice' underage boozers';
Then I'd set the   "case of canned LaCroix sparkling water" in front of the jury.  'Looked like a case of what beer, `officer? You didn't think to identify yourself to her and examine the product?"
[jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com image 500x438]


This! They couldn't walk up and calmly identify themselves and wait for her to roll the windows down? Most cops, et al, are power tripping assholes walking around with raging hard ons looking to keep our streets safe, begging for some action. Don't believe me? Look at what happened in Florida with a wannabe cop. And don't all of you go up and surround the vehicle at once. What did you expect her her to think? Send two at the most and NOT on both sides of the vehicle.

It's too bad she didn't actually run them over, instead of just 'clipping' them.
 
2014-03-27 05:25:55 PM
Okay, so not to go al "facty".

Last production year for Chevy Trailblazer - 2009
Had a fob that allowed remote unlock, but had a regular key for the ignition.
Owners manual says that power windows work in either ACC or ON position.  (And in power retention mode, which is probably after you turn the engine off, but before you open the door).

All that said.

Young girl/girls, dark parking lot.  Lots of scary men.  No uniforms.

Get the hell out of danger.  Call 911.

Running over scary men pounding on your car pretty much meets the definition for the defense of Necessity.

Cops need serious retraining.
 
2014-03-27 05:35:51 PM
Meh, we'll see what the actual facts/timeline are when a trial happens, if it comes to that(they'll probably settle for a pittance, and she'll cave).

Modern media is highly biased, it's pretty damn obvious in most articles that they're not relaying events in the order in which they happened.  They're not trying to report, they're trying to villify.  Not so different than NBC(if that's the right network), tainting the public's perception of the Zimmerman case by selective reporting, even going so far as to edit the 911 calls.

Surprise of surprises, I recognize many of the same gullible names from those threads in here, kneeling and paying homage to the gods of sensationalist reporting in utter faith.

/cue "I want to believe" streetlamp . jpg
 
2014-03-27 07:26:22 PM

omeganuepsilon: Meh, we'll see what the actual facts/timeline are when a trial happens, if it comes to that(they'll probably settle for a pittance, and she'll cave).

Modern media is highly biased, it's pretty damn obvious in most articles that they're not relaying events in the order in which they happened.  They're not trying to report, they're trying to villify.  Not so different than NBC(if that's the right network), tainting the public's perception of the Zimmerman case by selective reporting, even going so far as to edit the 911 calls.

Surprise of surprises, I recognize many of the same gullible names from those threads in here, kneeling and paying homage to the gods of sensationalist reporting in utter faith.

/cue "I want to believe" streetlamp . jpg


The DA's office already made the felony charges go away and has already distanced itself as far from their `regulators' as is possible (retraining, anyone?).  They're farked, and they're lucky to be only somewhat farked (no one injured/killed - that would have been fun for the media).
It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal (if it even gets that far - State will be making an offer if they already haven't).
 
2014-03-27 07:28:26 PM
So 7 agents stand around asking people to identify themselves for absolutely no reason at all?

The epitome of wasteful policing.  These are the same guys who go to the earths end to trick their way into bars and then fine away.  They basically want pentagon levels of security at the entrances.
 
2014-03-27 07:58:25 PM

Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal


Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.
 
2014-03-27 08:56:33 PM
The cops in this case were idiots, but now she is suing a public entity?  So, great, the tax payers get to pay for it.  Guess what lady?  You are also an idiot.

/Shameful that she is also a Hoo.
 
2014-03-27 08:57:00 PM

omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal

Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.


Well, if you want to consider that `caving', then we'll use that.  With any luck she won't `cave' until she burns the State for as much as possible.  This might serve as a reminder to those whose responsibility it is to conduct these operations at the lowest cost possible, to do so.
 
2014-03-28 05:07:09 AM

Crazy Lee: omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal

Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.

Well, if you want to consider that `caving', then we'll use that.  With any luck she won't `cave' until she burns the State for as much as possible.  This might serve as a reminder to those whose responsibility it is to conduct these operations at the lowest cost possible, to do so.


Ah, I see.  Your twat hurts because I said "cave".  That's one colloquial word for when people set a goal and then settle for less.

As to the bold, you're a freaking idiot.

Punishing the state for the actions of individuals does nothing.  It's like kicking your wife in the clam when the dog shiats in your shoes. The dog is going to continue to shiat in your shoes(if and when he feels like it) but your wife is going to get super pissed.
 
2014-03-28 07:21:28 AM

omeganuepsilon: Punishing the state for the actions of individuals does nothing.


It makes the State hire better people, and train them better, and redefine the rules as to what is acceptable, all so as to avoid the same thing happening in the future.

It's like kicking your wife in the clam when the dog shiats in your shoes.

Horrible analogy, but...It makes perfect sense if she's the one who forgot to let the dog go outside- by punishing her, she'll now remember to let the dog out, and the dog can do it's business in the yard instead of my loafers.
 
2014-03-28 07:26:03 AM

omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: omeganuepsilon: Crazy Lee: It' s not a matter of her `caving', it's a matter of how much of the 40 mil. her lawyer thinks will fly without appeal

Yes, it is.  Ultimately, without her, her lawyer is powerless.  He may influence her, but in the end, the decision is hers and hers alone.

Well, if you want to consider that `caving', then we'll use that.  With any luck she won't `cave' until she burns the State for as much as possible.  This might serve as a reminder to those whose responsibility it is to conduct these operations at the lowest cost possible, to do so.

Ah, I see.  Your twat hurts because I said "cave".  That's one colloquial word for when people set a goal and then settle for less.

As to the bold, you're a freaking idiot.

Punishing the state for the actions of individuals does nothing.  It's like kicking your wife in the clam when the dog shiats in your shoes. The dog is going to continue to shiat in your shoes(if and when he feels like it) but your wife is going to get super pissed.


Weren't you all hellbent on stricter punishments for PSU after it came out what a sicko Sandusky was?


When the state has low level workers pull BS, and then doesn't punish them for it, yeah they deserve to be sued. It prevents it from happening again.
 
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