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(WTOP)   Remember that UVA student who had her car swarmed by cops because she bought some water, and in her panic she grazed a couple of cops as she fled but the charges were dropped? Yeah, that's a payday that was just too tempting to give up   (wtop.com) divider line 185
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2014-03-27 04:36:50 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: I'm guessing if she wins she won't get nearly that much, but seriously what a stupid overreaction from a bunch of needledicked thugs who had no business ever being given authority. Any organization employing them should suffer for being so incompetent while having authority over the general public.


TFA doesn't state how much of what she is seeking for actual and punitive respectively. The former amount is probably not much, the latter - probably a lot - as it should be.
A frightening number of farkers seem to have never heard of punitive damages. WTF are they teaching in our schools, anymore?
 
2014-03-27 04:41:58 AM  

Luneward: While they screwed up bad here... 40 Million?  Yeah.  I want her to lose now.  There needs to be disciplinary action, asking for 40 M (even if likely on the advice of some greedy lawyer), I would like her to win court fees plus two dollars if she keeps asking for that.


It's not how much money she wins, it is how much would stop the police from doing what they did again.

If it's just two dollars and court costs, then police would hassle anyone on the street if they could get away with paying a few dollars.
 
2014-03-27 04:42:12 AM  
50 bucks says these idots were mostly ex-military, and were hired with no other experience or education.  The milittarization of civilian law enforcement is a big part of why shiat like this happens.  Take a bunch of guys who spent their formative years patrolling Fallujah or the Peshawar Valley, then tell them that experience makes them perfect for a career in law enforcement, and this is what you get.  A bunch of ex-grunts who are still out there playing soldier or Marine, but on American streets.  Not only shouldn't military service be allowed to replace the education requirements of police departments, they should require vets to have more education, along with a two year "readjustment to civilian life" period before they are allowed to apply to law enforcement agencies.
 
2014-03-27 04:48:50 AM  

jso2897: Crotchrocket Slim: I'm guessing if she wins she won't get nearly that much, but seriously what a stupid overreaction from a bunch of needledicked thugs who had no business ever being given authority. Any organization employing them should suffer for being so incompetent while having authority over the general public.

TFA doesn't state how much of what she is seeking for actual and punitive respectively. The former amount is probably not much, the latter - probably a lot - as it should be.
A frightening number of farkers seem to have never heard of punitive damages. WTF are they teaching in our schools, anymore?


Punitive damages... That you're giving me.

Sue you, sue everybody!

/jerky
 
2014-03-27 04:49:16 AM  

jso2897: DETER


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-27 05:16:52 AM  
I just wonder if the cops will have qualified immunity (ie, be untouchable as people due to their job); IIRC, QI ends if it can be shown that you were trained/instructed otherwise, and I'd be willing to wager that ABC cops are trained to recognize water and cookie dough versus alcoholic beverages.
 
2014-03-27 05:18:23 AM  

Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.


She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police. In addition, since she had done nothing even vaguely illegal she had little reason to believe these individuals were actually police officers. Who gets arrested for buying cookie-dough and water? In truth she got very lucky, if these officers were any stupider they would have shot her as she tried to drive off.
 
2014-03-27 05:43:45 AM  
Americans and their institutionalized fear that someone, somewhere, might actually be having a good time.
 
2014-03-27 05:50:08 AM  

arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.


False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.
 
2014-03-27 05:50:49 AM  

jso2897: simkatu: $40 million?  For what?   They could have put her in jail for 25 years wrongly and she wouldn't get that much.  What did she do?  Spend 4 hours in the pokey?

It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?


Who is being punished? Taxpayers? Who did nothing wrong?

The stupid... It hurts... It just... Ouch.
 
2014-03-27 06:05:24 AM  

omeganuepsilon: False.

They approached her displaying badges.


the first one claims he did, the others didn't.

omeganuepsilon: The police didn't fark up.


did she buy alcohol illegally? no. are they facing a huge lawsuit that could have easily been avoided? yes.

therefore, they farked up.
 
2014-03-27 06:09:43 AM  

Ready-set: Who is being punished? Taxpayers? Who did nothing wrong?


their insurance company will most likely cover any money that she wins.

But I wouldn't call it "punishment" as much as it's an "incentive" to retrain/make new policies/etc.. to help avoid looking like dumbasses again should something similar pop up in the future.
 
2014-03-27 06:22:36 AM  

arentol: Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.

She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police. In addition, since she had done nothing even vaguely illegal she had little reason to believe these individuals were actually police officers. Who gets arrested for buying cookie-dough and water? In truth she got very lucky, if these officers were any stupider they would have shot her as she tried to drive off.


Dude. Don't jinx us!
 
2014-03-27 06:28:06 AM  
If I were her I would sue for a large amount but settle for less but that less would include the firing of all the idiots concerned and their ability to carry a weapon permanently rescinded.  That way the thugs concerned would be hurt for their actions as they could never again be employed in a law enforcement capacity.  If that was not done, then I would have a million taken out of their income over the next 35 years so that every payday they would remember their stupidity as their paychecks were light and they could not have a large chunk of disposable income to use to buy a house or a car, etc.  Just looking at their pay stub would bring back to them their stupidity and piss them off.  That would be the ultimate revenge...taking their money every payday and knowing that it was pissing them off for the next 35 years!  Otherwise, all you get is a big chunk of the public's money and the instigators basically get off with only an ass-chewing from their boss.  My way would make that payback bite them every payday for the rest of their earning lives.
 
2014-03-27 06:31:34 AM  

arentol: since she had done nothing even vaguely illegal she had little reason to believe these individuals were actually police officers. Who gets arrested for buying cookie-dough and water? In truth she got very lucky, if these officers were any stupider they would have shot her as she tried to drive off


^ This.  Cops arrest people all the time for no reason besides not getting enough respect, or the civilian is too dark, or they just plain don't like you.  Every arrest for resisting arrest falls into this category.

The cops should be sued often, hard, and until it hurts enough for them to stop being complete assholes.  And this whole "police union" crap is absurd.
 
2014-03-27 06:33:32 AM  

omeganuepsilon: If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened. They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.


These days, all bets are off. In order to cover their own asses from "false arrest" charges, they would have had to charge her with some small infraction. In addition, to cover the cost of their operations, they'd have had to charge her car with a crime, thereby putting the onus on her to prove she had never ever done anything even remotely illegal with the car, and allowing their selves to confiscate it and sell it at auction. It happens every day now.

They have spent far too long looking into the abyss, and have become the very monsters we hired them to protect us from.
 
2014-03-27 06:34:19 AM  

log_jammin: omeganuepsilon: The police didn't fark up.


did she buy alcohol illegally? no. are they facing a huge lawsuit that could have easily been avoided? yes.

therefore, they farked up.


Did she buy alcohol illegally?  We do not know, she fled the scene. The police suspected that she did, she was carrying the right size container in a bag.  That's the thing with police, they kind of have to be able to see the evidence for themselves, which she was never allowed to do.

They don't magically just *know*.  They had reason to approach her and ask if they could see what she bought(which does not really have any prerequisites, legally or morally), but they never got the chance to do the later, they were too busy trying to not get hit by her car.
 
2014-03-27 06:35:26 AM  

HAMMERTOE: omeganuepsilon: If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened. They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.

These days, all bets are off. In order to cover their own asses from "false arrest" charges, they would have had to charge her with some small infraction. In addition, to cover the cost of their operations, they'd have had to charge her car with a crime, thereby putting the onus on her to prove she had never ever done anything even remotely illegal with the car, and allowing their selves to confiscate it and sell it at auction. It happens every day now.

They have spent far too long looking into the abyss, and have become the very monsters we hired them to protect us from.


Many, but not all.  Your tinfoil hat is showing.
 
2014-03-27 06:39:42 AM  
Fark the stupid cops.
Pain and suffering, BIATCHES!

/That would be pretty traumatic, too.
//Virginia is packed to the rafters with idiots.
 
2014-03-27 06:42:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.


We're they also untouchable?
 
2014-03-27 06:42:58 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Did she buy alcohol illegally?  We do not know, she fled the scene.


review the security cameras, and get a copy of the receipt. bam. investigation concluded.

they know she didn't. That's why they dropped the charges.

omeganuepsilon: They don't magically just *know*.


*looks around at the police station I'm current working at*

huh. you don't say?
 
2014-03-27 06:49:37 AM  

arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms.


Ah.  Yeah, then I hope the department's not too attached to its money, because it probably won't have any after this.  Failure to identify = you're just another jerkoff, no police protections for you.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:38 AM  

omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic, but some find that acceptable in our nation of paranoia, hence the charges were dropped.

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.  If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.  They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.


They farked up big time.

It was 10 at night, and they waited until she was in her car to start banging on the window (a window she couldn't roll down, since the car wasn't on, and it was electric), they never presented their badges, they just had them hanging. She was there on the phone trying to confirm if they were real police because there is no legit reason to come after soemone for leaving a store with water, and then the cops tried to break down her window, at which point she understandably drove away.


It is sad anybody would stick up for those farking clowns.

From the very poor logic that cans are a legit reason for cops to stop and try and search a person or car to having a team of plainclosthed cops laying in wait at a store when real criems are going on.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:53 AM  

Ready-set: jso2897: simkatu: $40 million?  For what?   They could have put her in jail for 25 years wrongly and she wouldn't get that much.  What did she do?  Spend 4 hours in the pokey?

It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?

Who is being punished? Taxpayers? Who did nothing wrong?

The stupid... It hurts... It just... Ouch.


So this is really some novel, foreign, debatable concept to you, eh? Harvard law will be deeply impressed to hear of your brilliant plan to overhaul our "stupid" legal system.
The world is full of geniuses who think they can re-invent the wheel.
 
2014-03-27 06:49:57 AM  
Marcus Aurelius:

^ This.  Cops arrest people all the time for no reason besides not getting enough respect, or the civilian is too dark, or they just plain don't like you.  Every arrest for resisting arrest falls into this category.

The cops should be sued often, hard, and until it hurts enough for them to stop being complete assholes.  And this whole "police union" crap is absurd.


Agree with everything except the blanket absolute I bolded.  There are many times where resisting and attempting to flee are done by actual criminals.  If you were implying that that's the only cause of arrest or suspicion at all, I'd even agree, but that's not necessarily evident.

It does imply they were going to arrest her regardless, but that's an argument borne of pure belief, too obviously ridiculous to really argue.

That's the difference between your post and more simple minded anti-authoritarian cop-haters in the thread.  You do seem to recognize that there are legit ones, and that the profession at large is somewhat necessary.

Point is, there are plenty of cases, entirely too many, where cops ARE complete assholes, even criminal, and this is not the one to champion to get them to rectify their behavior.  This case boils down to a fluke of just perfectly the wrong kinds of actions. 99.9% of the time, nothing would come from it, but due to her panic, it blew up.

/anyhow, off to work, so flame on and count your "wins" while I'm gone, haters
//facts won't work on the actual haters anyhow, so vehement in their zealotry
 
2014-03-27 06:52:26 AM  

Literally Addicted: AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

We're they also untouchable?


There were twelve of them and they were dirty.
 
2014-03-27 06:58:14 AM  
Why are people getting hung up on the 40 million figure?

This is just like when say, you are busted jay walking and the DA's office charges you with assault, resisting arrest and impersonating a Chihuahua.

In that case, the DA is hoping that you'll be so scared you'll plead guilty and then be on with it.

In this case, the lawyers are hoping that the newspaper will carry the story and the publicity will force the government to settle.

Dear FSM, why are there so many gullible and stupid people in the world?? Why???
 
2014-03-27 07:00:15 AM  

omeganuepsilon: The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.


Unless it's illegal to purchase water and cookie dough, they did not.
 
2014-03-27 07:04:48 AM  

One Thousand: AverageAmericanGuy: Something is wrong with the way police officers are being trained these days.

There used to be a time when a police officer was a friendly neighbor. When police recruits were sent to tough and demanding training facilities where they learned about the law, honor, and duty. And occasionally they'd blow off some steam with crazy hijinks.

They'd take a group of misfits and whip them into shape who work well as a team that is able to maximize their efficacy by using their differences as strengths. From the natural leader to the tough guy to the ex-gangster, they are turned into an effective team that never lost touch with the people they strive to protect.

I think you've watched "Police Academy" too many times.


Sounds like a weird conservative wet dream about what they wish the 50s was.
 
2014-03-27 07:05:33 AM  

omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.>/em>

"They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform,"

In your world, anyone in plainclothes can flash a shiny piece of metal in your direction, and you instantly believe they're a cop and obey them???

She then started her car

"I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began ... trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified,"

So, when approached by strangers in a parking lot, you ... what? Throw your car door wide open, or crack a window?

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic

6 people trying to break the windows of her car? Hell yes, I think that justifies 'panic' on her part?

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.

Then why did they drop the charges?

 If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.

If they had done their jobs right, she wouldn't have panicked.

 They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.

If they had simply observed what she had to begin with, they wouldn't have gone up to her at all, and the whole situation would have been avoided.

 
2014-03-27 07:08:43 AM  

Alien Robot: omeganuepsilon: The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.

Unless it's illegal to purchase water and cookie dough, they did not.


log_jammin: omeganuepsilon: Did she buy alcohol illegally?  We do not know, she fled the scene.


review the security cameras, and get a copy of the receipt. bam. investigation concluded.

they know she didn't. That's why they dropped the charges.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

/bah, running late anyhow, not here for long though

Jim_Callahan: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms.

Ah.  Yeah, then I hope the department's not too attached to its money, because it probably won't have any after this.  Failure to identify = you're just another jerkoff, no police protections for you.


They did identify.  I remember the multiple threads this had on fark when it was recent, with articles that gave a lot more details.  She chose to not believe them.  She even admits as such in her interviews at the time.  She has no case, especially as the charges for fleeing and assault were dropped completely.

Not to say her legal team couldn't convince a bunch of moron jurors or a judge.  I mean, if the fark thread is representative of the populace at large, any sort of fair trial is doomed before it even begins.
 
2014-03-27 07:09:13 AM  
Is she hot? I mean she's. 20-yr old UVA student so she's probably decent.

$40 mil seems like a little much but $5 mil would work out nicely. And her phone number.
 
2014-03-27 07:09:41 AM  
Wow 10 cops all being paid to protect us from college kids getting beer. What a grand use of resources
 
2014-03-27 07:11:05 AM  
Good.
 
2014-03-27 07:13:37 AM  

omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias


lol!

Yes, suggesting that they would review the security cameras, and get a copy of the receipt is "hindsight bias" and not "standard procedure". sure thing chief.
 
2014-03-27 07:14:12 AM  

devildog123: 50 bucks says these idots were mostly ex-military, and were hired with no other experience or education.  The milittarization of civilian law enforcement is a big part of why shiat like this happens.  Take a bunch of guys who spent their formative years patrolling Fallujah or the Peshawar Valley, then tell them that experience makes them perfect for a career in law enforcement, and this is what you get.  A bunch of ex-grunts who are still out there playing soldier or Marine, but on American streets.  Not only shouldn't military service be allowed to replace the education requirements of police departments, they should require vets to have more education, along with a two year "readjustment to civilian life" period before they are allowed to apply to law enforcement agencies.


You'd think so, but it's mostly chickenhawks who never actually served in the military who want to play rambo and go home to their family to brag about it. Jealousy? Little dick syndrome? Who the fark knows, but actual military are usually much better trained and stable.

/Lots of shiatheads in and out of the forces, though.
 
2014-03-27 07:25:38 AM  
Dammit. I think Fark is specifically programmed to mess up your html unless you preview.

fredklein: omeganuepsilon: arentol: She drove away from a half-dozen guys in regular clothes that all pulled out guns and started yelling at her. No badges. No uniforms. Just guns and yelling from multiple sources that made it very hard to understand that they were saying they were police.

False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.


"They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform,"

In your world, anyone in plainclothes can flash a shiny piece of metal in your direction, and you instantly believe they're a cop and obey them???

She then started her car

"I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began ... trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified,"

So, when approached by strangers in a parking lot, you ... what? Throw your car door wide open, or crack a window?

The police didn't fark up.  She did indeed panic

6 people trying to break the windows of her car? Hell yes, I think that justifies 'panic' on her part?

If pushed, I doubt the case will go anywhere.  The alcohol enforcement officers did as their job entails.

Then why did they drop the charges?

 If she'd not panicked, nothing would have happened.

If they had done their jobs right, she wouldn't have panicked.

 They'd have seen she had water and cookie dough, and they'd have sent her on her way.

If they had simply observed what she had to begin with, they wouldn't have gone up to her at all, and the whole situation would have been avoided.
 
2014-03-27 07:29:27 AM  

thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.


No.  It sounds like they jumped in into the path of her vehicle as she was pulling out of the parking spot and because a bunch of idiots just jumped in front of her moving vehicle she couldn't stop in time.
 
2014-03-27 07:30:35 AM  
If localities want to hire and defend these psychos they can pay for all the fallout.
 
2014-03-27 07:30:40 AM  
I really hate frivolous lawsuits.

I get this one though. I hope she gets at least 1% of the amount.

Just don't raise my liquor prices to pay for it Virginia.  I'm only 20 miles from two state borders, so I have options.
 
2014-03-27 07:33:46 AM  
Huggermugger:

Cops love people who operate booze stores because they can pick up good intel from them, so you don't wanna hassle the retail workers. And god forbid that the corporations should be fined. No, best to harass the civilian customers.

ABC = Alcoholic Beverage Control.
State run monopolies on the sale of booze.  it's ridiculous, but what you said makes no sense in that context.
 
2014-03-27 07:34:38 AM  

Jim_Callahan: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

This.  Driving away from the cops is rarely appropriate, and trying to run OVER the cops pretty unambiguously makes her the party in the wrong here, unless they failed to identify as police or something.


The cops weren't in uniform.
 
2014-03-27 07:37:23 AM  

Loren: thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.

No uniforms, unreasonable behavior, she thought she was dealing with bad guys.  I do agree she's lucky she wasn't shot but I find her conduct reasonable.  I also find a lawsuit reasonable but not $40 million.


Agrees on both counts.
 
2014-03-27 07:43:28 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Cops are civilians, too.


Sure, as long as you make up your own definition of the word, instead of using one that everyone else is using...
 
2014-03-27 07:44:46 AM  

foxyshadis: devildog123: 50 bucks says these idots were mostly ex-military, and were hired with no other experience or education.  The milittarization of civilian law enforcement is a big part of why shiat like this happens.  Take a bunch of guys who spent their formative years patrolling Fallujah or the Peshawar Valley, then tell them that experience makes them perfect for a career in law enforcement, and this is what you get.  A bunch of ex-grunts who are still out there playing soldier or Marine, but on American streets.  Not only shouldn't military service be allowed to replace the education requirements of police departments, they should require vets to have more education, along with a two year "readjustment to civilian life" period before they are allowed to apply to law enforcement agencies.

You'd think so, but it's mostly chickenhawks who never actually served in the military who want to play rambo and go home to their family to brag about it. Jealousy? Little dick syndrome? Who the fark knows, but actual military are usually much better trained and stable.

/Lots of shiatheads in and out of the forces, though.


The military is insanely well trained... To be a destructive force.  Most of the guys I served with that went on to be cops still act like they're running and gunning in combat zones, even the guys in limp dick little noweherevilles.  Most PDs these days were what are essentially military cammies without the camo pattern, carry as much firepower in their cruisers as I did in Iraq, and wear heavy body armor.  They give these guys a quick course through the police academy, then they turn these ex-infantrymen and field MPs loose on American streets.  I have no problem with former CID guys or hiring some Kiowa pilots to run the helos.  But 4 years in combat arms shouldn't be considered a selling point for someone who will be on American streets enforcing the law.
 
2014-03-27 07:45:05 AM  

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2014-03-27 07:46:41 AM  

jso2897: It's this strange, foreign concept we have in our law, but apparently don't teach about in our middle schools anymore, called punitive damages.
You see - fair compensation for her actual damages woul;dn't be anywhere near enough to hurt the police department and the local government, and thereby DETER the undesirable behavior that occurred here.
Sort of like how suing GM for the price of a defective car that kills somebody is pointless. That's why we have these "punitive damages" - it's a well-established part of our law - as a way of punishing and deterring bad behavior by wealthy, powerful entities. It's a way of levelling the playing field between the little guy and the big guy.
It's been part of Anglo-Saxon law since before there was an America - it's not some modern, librul notion.
Ever hear of it?


Ever hear of "unintended consequences?"

Because the behavior of the cops in this story is one of them.

/making sure the cops have to be perfect and precognitive or else they will not only suffer for the damage done, but also for punitive damages for their imperfection
//somehow I don't think you thought your cunning ideology all the way through
 
2014-03-27 07:47:48 AM  
omeganuepsilon says:

"False.

They approached her displaying badges.  She admits to seeing the badges but not believing that they were real.

She then started her car, a sign most police take as an attempt to flee(which she did) or do something aggressive(which she did when she hit them) and will attempt to stop(which is when they drew guns)"


You need to check the facts, Sherlock.

One officer had already drawn his gun when he approached the vehicle. Another leapt onto the hood of the car.

She could not lower the windows without starting the engine. They were shouting at her to lower her windows. They then proceeded to attempt to break the windows.

The hillbilly ABC "police officers" of Virginia spend 80% of their time hunting down stills in the forest. And have a laughable track record. And who pulls a gun on sorority girls buying beer? But of course they weren't even buying beer, they were buying BOTTLED WATER!!

Even the Attorney General of Virginia has called this "a highly regrettable incident" while dropping all charges, lawyer code for, "We are not openly going to admit responsibility, but there is egregious fault here, and about 90% of it will be laid at our feet". If she's so guilty, and the officer's behavior so unimpeachable, why the back tracking by the AG's office? 'Cause they're screwed, and it has nothing to do with, as you say, a "bunch of moron jurors or a judge". The trial hasn't even begun yet. They will settle, I would guess about 5mm, lawyer will get 1/3.

But I would also hazard a guess she (and her parents) are NOT in it for the money, but genuinely wish to make a point. And the "officers" (I use that term guardedly) will all circle around and admit zero culpability and try to spin this as opportunism on the part of one citizen who got them on a technicality. With citizens like you nodding in agreement.
 
2014-03-27 07:49:06 AM  

omeganuepsilon: She chose to not believe them.


Which was a perfectly reasonable decision, far more reasonable than the idiopts decision to swarm her car for carrying cans.
 
2014-03-27 07:49:57 AM  

thecactusman17: Wait, wait, wait. Instead of showing them bottled water she attempted to flee the scene and hit multiple cops? She should be grateful she wasn't shot to death by the officers for assault with a deadly weapon. Lucky batch should quit while she's ahead.


Wrong.  It's not about her, it's about THEM.

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