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2014-03-26 10:02:40 PM  
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Can I get front and side airbags?
 
2014-03-26 11:49:54 PM  
Last year's Shell Eco-Marathon winner came in at 3,587 MPG.
 
2014-03-26 11:56:58 PM  
This does not seem an improvement over a bicycle. On a related note, pedal power comes from somewhere. How does human power compare with electric or hydrocarbon power in monetary and environmental cost? Anybody know?
 
2014-03-27 02:08:38 AM  

This About That: This does not seem an improvement over a bicycle. On a related note, pedal power comes from somewhere. How does human power compare with electric or hydrocarbon power in monetary and environmental cost? Anybody know?


Human power emissions vary widely with diet.
 
2014-03-27 04:05:59 AM  

new_york_monty: This About That: This does not seem an improvement over a bicycle. On a related note, pedal power comes from somewhere. How does human power compare with electric or hydrocarbon power in monetary and environmental cost? Anybody know?

Human power emissions vary widely with diet.


I have very powerful emissions right now because of the burrito I ate.
 
2014-03-27 04:09:52 AM  
The main problem on the road these days is the mindset that we need to be driving tanks in order to be safe. Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other car on the road.

If we were to mandate that only these light vehicles could be used within city limits and larger vehicles could only be used outside of city limits, we could go a long way towards reducing traffic accident injuries. Even with minimal impact protection, these vehicles are very safe due to their low speeds and high maneuverability.

The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.
 
2014-03-27 04:20:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The main problem on the road these days is the mindset that we need to be driving tanks in order to be safe. Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other car on the road.

If we were to mandate that only these light vehicles could be used within city limits and larger vehicles could only be used outside of city limits, we could go a long way towards reducing traffic accident injuries. Even with minimal impact protection, these vehicles are very safe due to their low speeds and high maneuverability.

The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.


The problem with that is that large vehicles are unavoidable in the city. Not that a normal car would stand up well against a garbage truck anyway.
 
2014-03-27 04:25:15 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The main problem on the road these days is the mindset that we need to be driving tanks in order to be safe. Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other car on the road.

If we were to mandate that only these light vehicles could be used within city limits and larger vehicles could only be used outside of city limits, we could go a long way towards reducing traffic accident injuries. Even with minimal impact protection, these vehicles are very safe due to their low speeds and high maneuverability.

The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.


Few weeks ago, my wife(In a grand cherokee) t-boned a woman in some tiny little non-car. The other woman was waaaaay speeding AND the dumbcoont was on her cell phone, my wife wasn't even going 10. Our car has minor grill damage, the other chick's car is totaled. Also she was arrested.

There's no point to this story other than that woman is dumb. Lawsuits are fun.
 
2014-03-27 04:35:15 AM  
I work out 2 hrs a day. I'm not pedaling my way to work too.
 
2014-03-27 04:42:10 AM  
How did I know that's what it was gonna look like
 
2014-03-27 04:45:54 AM  
It does not get 1800 MPG.  MPG means miles per gallon, and it isn't burning gallons of anything, it uses a battery.
 
2014-03-27 04:57:12 AM  

2chris2: It does not get 1800 MPG.  MPG means miles per gallon, and it isn't burning gallons of anything, it uses a battery.


How many calories are they equating with a gallon?
 
2014-03-27 05:17:26 AM  

robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: The main problem on the road these days is the mindset that we need to be driving tanks in order to be safe. Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other car on the road.

If we were to mandate that only these light vehicles could be used within city limits and larger vehicles could only be used outside of city limits, we could go a long way towards reducing traffic accident injuries. Even with minimal impact protection, these vehicles are very safe due to their low speeds and high maneuverability.

The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.

Few weeks ago, my wife(In a grand cherokee) t-boned a woman in some tiny little non-car. The other woman was waaaaay speeding AND the dumbcoont was on her cell phone, my wife wasn't even going 10. Our car has minor grill damage, the other chick's car is totaled. Also she was arrested.

There's no point to this story other than that woman is dumb. Lawsuits are fun.


Who is suing who?
 
2014-03-27 05:21:32 AM  

robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: The main problem on the road these days is the mindset that we need to be driving tanks in order to be safe. Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other car on the road.

If we were to mandate that only these light vehicles could be used within city limits and larger vehicles could only be used outside of city limits, we could go a long way towards reducing traffic accident injuries. Even with minimal impact protection, these vehicles are very safe due to their low speeds and high maneuverability.

The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.

Few weeks ago, my wife(In a grand cherokee) t-boned a woman in some tiny little non-car. The other woman was waaaaay speeding AND the dumbcoont was on her cell phone, my wife wasn't even going 10. Our car has minor grill damage, the other chick's car is totaled. Also she was arrested.

There's no point to this story other than that woman is dumb. Lawsuits are fun.




That was actually a pretty cool story.

/There exists no means of spoken or written agreement with another human being that is completely free of some element of implied sarcasm.
 
2014-03-27 05:52:59 AM  

robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: The main problem on the road these days is the mindset that we need to be driving tanks in order to be safe. Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other cat on the road.

If we were to mandate that only these light vehicles could be used within city limits and larger vehicles could only be used outside of city limits, we could go a long way towards reducing traffic accident injuries. Even with minimal impact protection, these vehicles are very safe due to their low speeds and high maneuverability.

The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.

Few weeks ago, my wife(In a grand cherokee) t-boned a woman in some tiny little non-cat. The other woman was waaaaay speeding AND the dumbcoont was on her cell phone, my wife wasn't even going 10. Our cat has minor grill damage, the other chick's cat is totaled. Also she was arrested.

There's no point to this story other than that woman is dumb. Lawsuits are fun.


I installed the XKCD substitution filter, so I was very confused for a moment.

/http://xkcd.com/1288/
 
2014-03-27 05:55:57 AM  

This About That: This does not seem an improvement over a bicycle. On a related note, pedal power comes from somewhere. How does human power compare with electric or hydrocarbon power in monetary and environmental cost? Anybody know?


Human power is roughly carbon neutral, the vast majority of the carbon involved in our food production is extracted from the air.  The only reason that's caveat'd even as much as it is is that there's a negligible contribution from petroleum-derived insecticides and the power involved in fertilizer production.

Basically human-powered things aren't going to have an environmental footprint unless you're one of those organic food dumbfarks, in which case there's a significant and disproportionate water and soil damage cost involved in your calories.

AverageAmericanGuy: The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.


Cities require service vehicles of large mass if you want to do things like eat and have electricity and so on in your town.

That said, there  issome return on investment with size, though once you get past the size of a small sedan you're not really getting much from extra mass.  Essentially you need something big enough to have crumple zones, if you have those then you've got all the other standard safety features as well.  You don't lose anything by downgrading in size to a prius or a camry, but if you downsize all the way to a smart car you are significantly less safe.

Albeit none of this applies to the thing in TFA because it's not really a car, it's a powered bike.  It's not highway-capable and its primary application is the pedicab market.  Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't fall under the category of things that can help with automobile-related issues.

// Well, I guess if you only drive a few miles to work never carrying much more than a briefcase, but if you're doing taht you should already be taking the bus instead of driving.
 
2014-03-27 06:31:03 AM  
Get rid of that ridiculous cab and let me use it on the bike lanes/trails around the city and I'll get one. I'd use a backpack for carrying items; as far as food is concerned (which I think is the largest/heaviest "bulk purchase" items that I'd expect myself to pick up in any one trip), I'd probably have to make a trip to the market every other day and keep stocked with fresh food and cook more. At least that sounds like a good idea to me, although I'd still need stocks of non-perishables for the occasional storm. Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

Difficulties: bad weather, though I have public transit for that. Bigger difficulty, I expect, is passengers (IYKWIMAITYD),
 
2014-03-27 06:39:19 AM  
It's powered by your humiliation.
 
2014-03-27 06:44:22 AM  
So it's basically an overly bulky eBike with a canopy. What exactly is the advantage of this over a normal eBike ?
 
2014-03-27 06:52:37 AM  

This About That: How does human power compare with electric or hydrocarbon power in monetary and environmental cost?


It makes investment in a car look downright silly.  If we consumed gasoline instead of carbs we'd get about 800mpg.

BorgDrone: So it's basically an overly bulky eBike with a canopy. What exactly is the advantage of this over a normal eBike ?


A lot of days around here I'd love a canopy.  Can't use that thing around here, though -- bicycles get about 6" to work with between the sidewalk and road, and that's only if the drivers are in a good mood (they're not).
 
2014-03-27 07:36:57 AM  

Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.


You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.
 
2014-03-27 07:49:19 AM  
The bad news - if you're lazy - is that to go much farther than 14 miles (the range of its electric motor's battery, without recharging) you have to help it along by pedaling.


In my mind, that means its range is 14 miles.
 
2014-03-27 08:01:09 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other car on the road.


You fogot to metion they never check their tire pressure, or oil, and always have a wind resistor like a ski box on top, all year round.
 
2014-03-27 08:11:48 AM  
There are much better electric bikes out there for $5000,   You don't get the shell, but you can get by without it if you dress properly.
 
2014-03-27 08:18:51 AM  

dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.


He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.
 
2014-03-27 08:23:59 AM  
After I dug my wife's Civic out of my driveway, then had to dig it out of the drive through exit after I picked up my morning coffee this morning I'm highly skeptical that such a vehicle would work for me.
 
2014-03-27 08:43:24 AM  

Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.

He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.


Jim, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream.

Ice cream, Jim, children's ice cream.
 
2014-03-27 08:50:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.

He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.


I actually took it from a different perspective - liquids are f*cking heavy, who wants to pedal around with that much extra weight?  Tap water magically arrives through a series of tubes, no physical effort required (other than opening the tap, I suppose).
 
2014-03-27 08:54:01 AM  

dittybopper: Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.

He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.

Jim, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream.

Ice cream, Jim, children's ice cream.


img2.wikia.nocookie.net

Topically applied fluoride doesn't prevent tooth decay! It does render teeth detectable by spy satellite!
 
2014-03-27 08:56:19 AM  

Niveras: Get rid of that ridiculous cab and let me use it on the bike lanes/trails around the city and I'll get one. I'd use a backpack for carrying items; as far as food is concerned (which I think is the largest/heaviest "bulk purchase" items that I'd expect myself to pick up in any one trip), I'd probably have to make a trip to the market every other day and keep stocked with fresh food and cook more. At least that sounds like a good idea to me, although I'd still need stocks of non-perishables for the occasional storm. Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

Difficulties: bad weather, though I have public transit for that. Bigger difficulty, I expect, is passengers (IYKWIMAITYD),


I primarily use a motorcycle for transport.

Going to the store every few days isn't a big deal if you're within a few miles. And obviously you would be if you are bicycling. What I would recommend, if you were to do something like this, is a product similar to Timbuk2's messenger bag (large size). I'm single and can fit a week of groceries in that thing. Granted I eat out half the time, so probably 3-4 days of food.

Helps keep fresh stuff moving in, though it also means you end up with more spoiled food. Plus I like having everything in one bag. Single trip etc.
 
2014-03-27 08:56:26 AM  
Has a top speed of 30mph, 7 hours to charge if you aren't near an outlet and only $10,000 fully loaded? That's stupid.
 
2014-03-27 09:05:42 AM  

Whodat: Has a top speed of 30mph, 7 hours to charge if you aren't near an outlet and only $10,000 fully loaded? That's stupid.


Instead of wasting oil plasticizing shells for these stupid "vehicles," wouldn't it be wiser to convince employers of the benefits work-from-home can bring in terms of environmental impact? Look at how many people would be off the roads!
 
2014-03-27 09:22:15 AM  

robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: The main problem on the road these days is the mindset that we need to be driving tanks in order to be safe. Every soccer mom out there is driving her kids around in a mammoth SUV that gets terrible mileage and isn't really all that much safer than any other car on the road.

If we were to mandate that only these light vehicles could be used within city limits and larger vehicles could only be used outside of city limits, we could go a long way towards reducing traffic accident injuries. Even with minimal impact protection, these vehicles are very safe due to their low speeds and high maneuverability.

The problem is that everyone wants to get bigger and tougher when everyone really should be getting smaller and lighter.

Few weeks ago, my wife(In a grand cherokee) t-boned a woman in some tiny little non-car. The other woman was waaaaay speeding AND the dumbcoont was on her cell phone, my wife wasn't even going 10. Our car has minor grill damage, the other chick's car is totaled. Also she was arrested.

There's no point to this story other than that woman is dumb. Lawsuits are fun.


A month ago my sister was driving one of her kids in a Durango when an oncoming Nissan Sentra turned left in front of her. My sister walked away. The other lady didn't.

Mass can be a huge factor in accidents. It's why the Smart car is safe when it hits something, but not so much when something hits it.

http://m.canoncitydailyrecord.com/CanonCity/db_297619/contentdetail. ht m?contentguid=CPqHgGMb
 
2014-03-27 09:44:25 AM  

eKonk: Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.

He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.

I actually took it from a different perspective - liquids are f*cking heavy, who wants to pedal around with that much extra weight?  Tap water magically arrives through a series of tubes, no physical effort required (other than opening the tap, I suppose).


I'm pretty much positive he meant that he didn't want to transport the water himself due to how much it weighs compared to how much space it takes up.  Makes perfect sense not sure how someone could not realize that.
 
2014-03-27 09:52:50 AM  

TNel: eKonk: Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.

He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.

I actually took it from a different perspective - liquids are f*cking heavy, who wants to pedal around with that much extra weight?  Tap water magically arrives through a series of tubes, no physical effort required (other than opening the tap, I suppose).

I'm pretty much positive he meant that he didn't want to transport the water himself due to how much it weighs compared to how much space it takes up.  Makes perfect sense not sure how someone could not realize that.


You guys are still going back and forth on this, after a pretty farkin' obvious Dr. Strangelove joke?
 
2014-03-27 09:55:00 AM  

dittybopper: You guys are still going back and forth on this, after a pretty farkin' obvious Dr. Strangelove joke?


You think it's a joke?  Don't you realize this is what drinking flouride does to your essence?
 
2014-03-27 09:59:21 AM  

dragonchild: You think it's a joke?  Don't you realize this is what drinking flouride does to your essence?


Makes it creamier and tastier?
 
2014-03-27 10:06:49 AM  
"He rides it around the Hamptons with his kids," says Cotter of Seinfeld. "He says it's a dream come true to be able to peddle your car around."

Wow, Seinfeld is now a car/bike salesman?  Times are rough.
 
2014-03-27 10:11:21 AM  

Feepit: the benefits work-from-home can bring


Working from home rocks, everyone should do it. Offices and commuting are a plague.
 
2014-03-27 10:31:43 AM  

treesloth: "He rides it around the Hamptons with his kids," says Cotter of Seinfeld. "He says it's a dream come true to be able to peddle your car around."

Wow, Seinfeld is now a car/bike salesman?  Times are rough.


I was wondering what Seinfeld dreams about these days. Now I know and it's no where near what I expected it to be.
 
2014-03-27 11:12:46 AM  

dittybopper: TNel: eKonk: Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.

He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.

I actually took it from a different perspective - liquids are f*cking heavy, who wants to pedal around with that much extra weight?  Tap water magically arrives through a series of tubes, no physical effort required (other than opening the tap, I suppose).

I'm pretty much positive he meant that he didn't want to transport the water himself due to how much it weighs compared to how much space it takes up.  Makes perfect sense not sure how someone could not realize that.

You guys are still going back and forth on this, after a pretty farkin' obvious Dr. Strangelove joke?


Oh, a joke!  I get jokes! LOL!

/hangs head in shame
 
2014-03-27 11:13:15 AM  
I think it's pretty cool, except for the $5k price tag, which is waaaaay too much... unless you're Jerry Seinfeld.
 
2014-03-27 11:15:30 AM  
You know who else had an exercise-powered car?

www.toptenz.net
 
2014-03-27 11:58:35 AM  

dittybopper: You guys are still going back and forth on this, after a pretty farkin' obvious Dr. Strangelove joke?


That was a 1964 movie so nope didn't get the reference or have ever watched it.
 
2014-03-27 01:02:53 PM  

TNel: That was a 1964 movie so nope didn't get the reference or have ever watched it.


Stanley Kubrick had more hits than misses. That was one of the hits and is very much worth watching.

\you can't fight in here! This is the war room!
 
2014-03-27 01:36:29 PM  

TNel: dittybopper: You guys are still going back and forth on this, after a pretty farkin' obvious Dr. Strangelove joke?

That was a 1964 movie so nope didn't get the reference or have ever watched it.


Do yourself a favor and watch it.  It is available on Netflix streaming.
 
2014-03-27 04:01:34 PM  

eKonk: dittybopper: TNel: eKonk: Jim_Callahan: dittybopper: Niveras: Also limit myself to tap water, since bottled drinks are probably the most dense grocery item.

You should limit yourself to rain water, or pure grain alcohol, to avoid the introduction of foreign substances into your precious bodily fluids without your knowledge.

He's probably referring to environmental impact, not personal health.  Bottled/canned drinks shipped long distances are actually some of our civilization's most pointless wastes of fuel, and even with acid rain taken care of (outside of China) wasting auto fuel is still a big environmental concern.  CO2 emission, the not-entirely-renewable nature of petroleum, etc.

I actually took it from a different perspective - liquids are f*cking heavy, who wants to pedal around with that much extra weight?  Tap water magically arrives through a series of tubes, no physical effort required (other than opening the tap, I suppose).

I'm pretty much positive he meant that he didn't want to transport the water himself due to how much it weighs compared to how much space it takes up.  Makes perfect sense not sure how someone could not realize that.

You guys are still going back and forth on this, after a pretty farkin' obvious Dr. Strangelove joke?

Oh, a joke!  I get jokes! LOL!

/hangs head in shame


To be fair, I was referring to the actual weight of drinks. Especially as they relate to how often I'd need to resupply. A two litter bottle of pop would last me a bit more than a day; two bottles every other day (in addition to other items I'd be purchasing) weigh too much be carrying (plus being hard to manage) in a backpack. Of course, there are items that weigh more, but I wouldn't always be buying a 10lb bag of potatoes every week, Better for my back, my diet, and my wallet to go with filtered tap water.
 
2014-03-27 04:02:06 PM  

TNel: dittybopper: You guys are still going back and forth on this, after a pretty farkin' obvious Dr. Strangelove joke?

That was a 1964 movie so nope didn't get the reference or have ever watched it.


Well, it was made years before I was born, but I recognize that there are things in the World that predate my existence but are still worthy of my attention.

You might want to also check out films like The African Queen, Casablanca, Moby Dick, etc.
 
2014-03-27 04:03:15 PM  
Also, watch a Marx Brothers film.  Animal Crackers and Duck Soup are good ones.
 
2014-03-27 04:11:47 PM  

dittybopper: You might want to also check out films like The African Queen, Casablanca, Moby Dick, etc.


The only thing I remember about the African Queen are the leeches. Oh, and something about a steam boat.
 
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