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2014-03-26 11:52:54 PM
Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.
 
2014-03-26 11:53:40 PM
EMF

Unbelievable!
 
2014-03-27 12:01:10 AM
You greened a Natural News link? Dammit. Stop.
 
2014-03-27 12:15:30 AM

TheOmni: Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.


I suppose subby could have linked right to the study in the BMJ: http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full

which has this to say:
Conclusions This study confirms our preliminary results. We observed that the incidence of most of the symptoms was related to exposure levels-independently of the demographic variables and some possible risk factors. Concerns about adverse effects from exposure, despite being strongly related with sleep disturbances, do not influence the direct association between exposure and sleep.

I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.
 
2014-03-27 01:05:00 AM

timujin: TheOmni: Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.

I suppose subby could have linked right to the study in the BMJ: http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full

which has this to say:
Conclusions This study confirms our preliminary results. We observed that the incidence of most of the symptoms was related to exposure levels-independently of the demographic variables and some possible risk factors. Concerns about adverse effects from exposure, despite being strongly related with sleep disturbances, do not influence the direct association between exposure and sleep.

I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.


I like how he blames cell towers for people not being able to math
 
2014-03-27 01:44:22 AM
Losers. My cellphone towers are gluten-free.
 
2014-03-27 02:15:43 AM

timujin: 'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.


I'm not a more knowledgeable farker in medicine, but I have a science background (physics) and can read a scientific paper. These guys seemed to to do a pretty decent job, but there are still a bunch of things I'd like to know before giving their results much credit.

First, how exactly was the questionnaire worded? Wording very frequently has an affect on how people answer.

Second, it seems that the people being given questionnaires knew what the purpose of the research was, it is certainly possible that people, while not lying, over-reported symptoms they would otherwise not report if they weren't prompted.

Second and a half, there was no control study. I would have liked them to send our a similar questionnaire, but this time invent a substance to be studying the effects of (say, Krypton gas) and tell people in certain areas that they have high levels and other people that they have low levels, and see if people who think they live in a high level zone report more symptoms, even though you didn't specifically tell them whether they should or not.

Third, they did nothing to address other factors that might coincide with being close to an EMF source, and that they either controlled for or need to look into controlling for. Maybe base stations have loud clanging at night that disturb people's sleep, and it's that, and not the EMF that has anything to do with it.

TL;DR -- their math seemed fine, but the study leaves a lot to be desired before being remotely convincing, it just doesn't rule out a correlation.
 
2014-03-27 03:26:30 AM
FTFA: Exposure to cell phone towers alters brain function in alarming ways, causing a lack of concentration, irritability, difficulty sleeping and lack of appetite.

Well, now we can rule this out being a problem in America.
 
2014-03-27 03:29:45 AM

timujin: TheOmni: Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.

I suppose subby could have linked right to the study in the BMJ: http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full


I'm a little concerned that it was published to "BMJ Open", which describes itself as, "An open access, online-only general medical journal dedicated to publishing research from all disciplines and therapeutic areas"

which sounds like a place to post your articles to get feedback on them, rather than a peer-reviewed journal, like say the Lancet.
 
2014-03-27 03:30:17 AM
Likely the socio-economic troubles of the people in a neighborhood that would have a cellphone tower so close are what's keeping them awake at night. Rich people don't have Cell towers in their back yard.
 
2014-03-27 03:30:41 AM
EM weapons are very real, and very effective.  I have no doubt that incidental EM emissions from civilian infrastructure disrupts cognitive ability, emotional experience, and relaxation.
 
2014-03-27 03:32:09 AM
There is a satellite broadcast/receiver company whose CTO I had a chance to spend some quality time with. He told me that at the frequency range they were intending to receive at was not bioreactive. Then he put his hand in the broadcast stream to simulate interference and the signal stopped. I had to ask him if he even understood what bioreactive meant.

If my body is absorbing EMF, then there is some reaction happening. And that reaction could be detrimental to my health if the reaction is large enough or cumulative.
 
2014-03-27 03:37:23 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: There is a satellite broadcast/receiver company whose CTO I had a chance to spend some quality time with. He told me that at the frequency range they were intending to receive at was not bioreactive. Then he put his hand in the broadcast stream to simulate interference and the signal stopped. I had to ask him if he even understood what bioreactive meant.

If my body is absorbing EMF, then there is some reaction happening. And that reaction could be detrimental to my health if the reaction is large enough or cumulative.


In terms of American law, it's detrimental to your health if it's proven to be the only cause of whatever health problems you have, particularly if it's cancer.

At some point, the 'cause' of whatever ails you can be pretty ambiguous given all you are exposed to over your life, and it's sometimes impossible to prove it is one particular thing.

There are lots of things that companies do to negligently harm us, but thanks to their lawyers, if we ever die or become crippled or whatever, they litigate that it's something else in our life or the lifestyles we live that cause it, not them.
 
2014-03-27 03:37:40 AM

timujin: TheOmni: Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.

I suppose subby could have linked right to the study in the BMJ: http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full

which has this to say:
Conclusions This study confirms our preliminary results. We observed that the incidence of most of the symptoms was related to exposure levels-independently of the demographic variables and some possible risk factors. Concerns about adverse effects from exposure, despite being strongly related with sleep disturbances, do not influence the direct association between exposure and sleep.

I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.


After reading the study, it's plain to see there was:

- No blind
- No control

Therefore, the study is worthy of being thrown in the garbage can with no further thought ever being given to it.
 
2014-03-27 03:39:15 AM
I'm up past 3:30 in the morning, and reading stuff like this on my cellphone, and not asleep like I should be. Does that count?
 
2014-03-27 03:40:37 AM
I like Spam.
 
2014-03-27 03:40:58 AM

Dwight_Yeast: I'm a little concerned that it was published to "BMJ Open", which describes itself as, "An open access, online-only general medical journal dedicated to publishing research from all disciplines and therapeutic areas"

which sounds like a place to post your articles to get feedback on them, rather than a peer-reviewed journal, like say the Lancet.


Well duh, because that's the only way shiat like this gets published. There's no control, no objective measurement, in other words it is total BS. There's been more than a little bit of study on the interaction of various kinds of EM waves with the human body. For the low frequency stuff, there is basically none. No it doesn't mess with your sleep, give you cancer, make you superman, or any of that shiat. It just goes right through you.

High frequency EM can interfere with sleep. For example if I were to flood your room with 550 THz EM radiation, you'd find it harder to sleep. The reason is 550 THz is more commonly called "green". :)  That's what cracks me up about the crackpots: They forget, or never knew, that light is just EM radiation too. It is just quite high frequency.

Now if you push past that, in to the UV range (which starts around a PHz), then indeed EM radiation can cause damage because high frequencies carry greater energies and also interact with matter more. UV can cause skin and eye damage, X-Rays can cause cancer if overexposed, and so on.

But as you go down the scale, it interacts less and less. By the time you get all the way down in to the low GHz range, it just passes on through, doing almost nothing. Goes double for cell phones since it is very low power.
 
2014-03-27 03:42:54 AM
Not the towers, the cellphones. Now I have a little glowing screen in front of me at night. Full of games and cat videos and HTML5 compliant pornographic videos. I'm currently scouring Popular Mechanics of the 1920s for forgotten inventions. So far I've found a reference to something that would one day become Stevia, and the announcement of a bread slicing machine in the magazine 7 months after Betty White was born. Which means there were probably prototypes at local bakeries before she was born and thus negating articles referring to the first marketed sliced bread.
 
2014-03-27 03:43:51 AM

Weatherkiss: FTFA: Exposure to cell phone towers alters brain function in alarming ways, causing a lack of concentration, irritability, difficulty sleeping and lack of appetite.

Well, now we can rule this out being a problem in America.


Came here to say that.
 
2014-03-27 03:44:53 AM
Johnnymnemonic.jpg
 
2014-03-27 03:50:09 AM
If only this were true, but linked instead only to cell phones. farkers constantly using their cells in public situations soooooo deserve it.
 
2014-03-27 03:54:42 AM

fusillade762: EMF

Unbelievable!


img.myconfinedspace.com
 
2014-03-27 03:54:50 AM
And here I thought it was because of all the alien anal probes.....
 
2014-03-27 04:00:19 AM
Funny, I thought it was the cocaine.
 
2014-03-27 04:10:18 AM
Is "cell phone towers" the new euphemism for menstruation?
 
2014-03-27 04:17:20 AM

timujin: TheOmni: Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.

I suppose subby could have linked right to the study in the BMJ: http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full

which has this to say:
Conclusions This study confirms our preliminary results. We observed that the incidence of most of the symptoms was related to exposure levels-independently of the demographic variables and some possible risk factors. Concerns about adverse effects from exposure, despite being strongly related with sleep disturbances, do not influence the direct association between exposure and sleep.

I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.


No clue personally on the actual findings, but I have a huge amount of difficulty taking the research at face value seeing how they used only 88 people. Could have just been a small study, yeah, but such a inconsequentially small sample size makes it pretty flimsy to start shouting from the rafters that cell phone signals are microvacuuming your brainvibes.
 
2014-03-27 04:27:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: There is a satellite broadcast/receiver company whose CTO I had a chance to spend some quality time with. He told me that at the frequency range they were intending to receive at was not bioreactive. Then he put his hand in the broadcast stream to simulate interference and the signal stopped. I had to ask him if he even understood what bioreactive meant.

If my body is absorbing EMF, then there is some reaction happening. And that reaction could be detrimental to my health if the reaction is large enough or cumulative.


He stuck his hand in a broadcast stream for a TV satellite........
 
2014-03-27 04:31:42 AM

deffuse: AverageAmericanGuy: There is a satellite broadcast/receiver company whose CTO I had a chance to spend some quality time with. He told me that at the frequency range they were intending to receive at was not bioreactive. Then he put his hand in the broadcast stream to simulate interference and the signal stopped. I had to ask him if he even understood what bioreactive meant.

If my body is absorbing EMF, then there is some reaction happening. And that reaction could be detrimental to my health if the reaction is large enough or cumulative.

He stuck his hand in a broadcast stream for a TV satellite........


It was a demo with a custom broadcasting directional antenna and a receiver. I must have excised that from my Boobies.
 
2014-03-27 04:31:55 AM

Koldbern: I'm up past 3:30 in the morning, and reading stuff like this on my cellphone, and not asleep like I should be. Does that count?


This^^^
 
2014-03-27 04:43:23 AM

nmrsnr: timujin: 'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.

I'm not a more knowledgeable farker in medicine, but I have a science background (physics) and can read a scientific paper. These guys seemed to to do a pretty decent job, but there are still a bunch of things I'd like to know before giving their results much credit.

First, how exactly was the questionnaire worded? Wording very frequently has an affect on how people answer.

Second, it seems that the people being given questionnaires knew what the purpose of the research was, it is certainly possible that people, while not lying, over-reported symptoms they would otherwise not report if they weren't prompted.

Second and a half, there was no control study. I would have liked them to send our a similar questionnaire, but this time invent a substance to be studying the effects of (say, Krypton gas) and tell people in certain areas that they have high levels and other people that they have low levels, and see if people who think they live in a high level zone report more symptoms, even though you didn't specifically tell them whether they should or not.

Third, they did nothing to address other factors that might coincide with being close to an EMF source, and that they either controlled for or need to look into controlling for. Maybe base stations have loud clanging at night that disturb people's sleep, and it's that, and not the EMF that has anything to do with it.

TL;DR -- their math seemed fine, but the study leaves a lot to be desired before being remotely convincing, it just doesn't rule out a correlation.


A whole lotta this. BMJ is peer reviewed. BMJ Open is the wikipedia of medical journals. My concern is that the original study was inconclusive, and all that was done here was to apply a different statistical method. One that needs a very large sample size to be trustworthy, and has the problem of hiding any assumptions made.
 
2014-03-27 04:48:10 AM
please stop linking to this bullshiat conspiracy site.
 
2014-03-27 04:51:29 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: deffuse: AverageAmericanGuy: There is a satellite broadcast/receiver company whose CTO I had a chance to spend some quality time with. He told me that at the frequency range they were intending to receive at was not bioreactive. Then he put his hand in the broadcast stream to simulate interference and the signal stopped. I had to ask him if he even understood what bioreactive meant.

If my body is absorbing EMF, then there is some reaction happening. And that reaction could be detrimental to my health if the reaction is large enough or cumulative.

He stuck his hand in a broadcast stream for a TV satellite........

It was a demo with a custom broadcasting directional antenna and a receiver. I must have excised that from my Boobies.


Damn, girlfriend, the NSA will put bugs *anywhere* now!
 
2014-03-27 04:51:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: deffuse: AverageAmericanGuy: There is a satellite broadcast/receiver company whose CTO I had a chance to spend some quality time with. He told me that at the frequency range they were intending to receive at was not bioreactive. Then he put his hand in the broadcast stream to simulate interference and the signal stopped. I had to ask him if he even understood what bioreactive meant.

If my body is absorbing EMF, then there is some reaction happening. And that reaction could be detrimental to my health if the reaction is large enough or cumulative.

He stuck his hand in a broadcast stream for a TV satellite........

It was a demo with a custom broadcasting directional antenna and a receiver. I must have excised that from my Boobies.


How do you know it wouldn't just cause an extremely slight heating or be reflecting? Also, I would stick to letting a doctor deal with your Boobies.
 
2014-03-27 04:56:47 AM

timujin: I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.


The study was based on a questionnaire. This has a lot of problems:

- Respondents include only people inclined to actually respond. There is no control for if believing electromagnetic fields cause health issues was an influence on the likelihood of replying; in other words, it's entirely possible that crazy people who think the cell towers are controlling their brains were much more likely to respond than people who think the questions are nonsense and throw it in the trash.

- No clinically diagnosed symptoms. All respondents appear to be self-diagnosed.

- Small geographic area. Entire sample was made in one city, which introduces the possibility that some other local environmental factor could be an underlying cause to any commonly reported illness.

And that's just gleaned from the summary. Even if the conclusion is valid, there's no way to know from this junk science.
=Smidge=
 
2014-03-27 05:07:47 AM

timujin: I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.


Firstly: a cross-sectional study shows a correlation, not causation.
Secondly: sample size 88
Thirdly: Corresponding author is a physicist without medical credentials

This is another one of those studies where it  is saying something, it's just not saying anything remotely close to what the conspiracy theory site thinks it's saying.  This is more a study about the impact of a certain analytical technique on a known data set than anything to do with medicine.  Or, rather, it's about creating a medical tool.

It's also not even claiming most of the affects the conspiracy theorists are listing.
 
2014-03-27 05:27:20 AM
It actually would be rather simple to test this.

Set up some bedrooms some with a faraday cage, and some without, and make certain that it's not obvious which is which. Then let your test subjects spend nights in random rooms, and fill out a questionare afterwards.
 
2014-03-27 05:28:29 AM
This is the excellent foppery of the world, that when we are sick in fortune, we make guilty of our disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars.

Or something like that.
 
2014-03-27 05:29:26 AM
I can sleep just fine, but I'm confused and irritable that the mods are so lazy they greenlit something so lame.

Guys (and gals) on the mod team: if you're not even going to *try* to do your job, it's time to pass the torch
 
2014-03-27 05:31:28 AM

stratagos: I can sleep just fine, but I'm confused and irritable that the mods are so lazy they greenlit something so lame.

Guys (and gals) on the mod team: if you're not even going to *try* to do your job, it's time to pass the torch


Now, now, this is Fark.

It's their job to provide us with fodder for ridicule.
 
2014-03-27 05:32:06 AM
Ban all calculators! Devil's devices.

Abacuses for now on!!!
 
2014-03-27 05:34:35 AM

Ishkur: Ban all calculators! Devil's devices.

Abacuses for now on!!!


You sound like my trig teacher from high school.
 
2014-03-27 05:35:17 AM

Ishkur: Ban all calculators! Devil's devices.

Abacuses for now on!!!



I read that as abscesses.
 
2014-03-27 05:36:37 AM

That site has brain cooties. Brrrrr.



I feel stupider for having seen it.
 
2014-03-27 05:39:13 AM

Ishkur: Ban all calculators! Devil's devices.

Abacuses for now on!!!


But, my pr0n am computerized! Take that away and I will get irritable.

/Most nights I sleep like a baby.
//Spit up, cry, and wet the bed.
 
2014-03-27 05:40:16 AM

karmachameleon: timujin: TheOmni: Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.

I suppose subby could have linked right to the study in the BMJ: http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full

which has this to say:
Conclusions This study confirms our preliminary results. We observed that the incidence of most of the symptoms was related to exposure levels-independently of the demographic variables and some possible risk factors. Concerns about adverse effects from exposure, despite being strongly related with sleep disturbances, do not influence the direct association between exposure and sleep.

I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.

After reading the study, it's plain to see there was:

- No blind
- No control

Therefore, the study is worthy of being thrown in the garbage can with no further thought ever being given to it.


^^^^ This is how real science is done.
 
2014-03-27 05:52:55 AM

log_jammin: please stop linking to this bullshiat conspiracy site.


Why? It's a constant stream of laughs.
/Radiation, OooggaBooogga!
 
2014-03-27 06:01:54 AM

Richard C Stanford: log_jammin: please stop linking to this bullshiat conspiracy site.

Why? It's a constant stream of laughs.
/Radiation, OooggaBooogga!


for those of us who can take the time to dig deeper than the headline. But for the average person, shiat like this sounds plausible.
 
2014-03-27 06:29:28 AM

Snapper Carr: Funny, I thought it was the cocaine.


www.gq.com
 
2014-03-27 06:32:39 AM
That blog sucks
 
2014-03-27 07:18:22 AM

ArkAngel: timujin: TheOmni: Feeling confused and irritable? Can't sleep? Don't understand electromagnetic radiation? Don't understand even the most basic science? Try reading Natural News.

I suppose subby could have linked right to the study in the BMJ: http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/12/e003836.full

which has this to say:
Conclusions This study confirms our preliminary results. We observed that the incidence of most of the symptoms was related to exposure levels-independently of the demographic variables and some possible risk factors. Concerns about adverse effects from exposure, despite being strongly related with sleep disturbances, do not influence the direct association between exposure and sleep.

I'm curious to hear what more knowledgeable farkers than I have to say about the actual research rather than the source of the link.

I like how he blames cell towers for people not being able to math


Or engrish
 
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