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2014-03-26 08:20:05 PM  
Salk it, Jenny McCarthy.
 
2014-03-26 08:32:30 PM  
"provide a broad spectrum medical alternative that is not antibiotic or hormone based while effectively delivering acute and chronic care"

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-26 08:43:34 PM  
An ostensibly intelligent human being was interviewed for the material in TFA.

Homeopathy is Avogadro denialism
 
2014-03-26 09:11:30 PM  
The manufacturer advises anyone who took any of these penicillin-tainted medications to drop one bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae into a swimming pool and drink from it.
 
2014-03-26 09:16:14 PM  
Airbourne?

They call it homeopathic but it has dangerous levels of vitamin A.
 
2014-03-26 09:18:37 PM  
Even if it wasn't supposed to be homeopathic, anything with peni-farking-cillin would be taken off the shelves
 
2014-03-26 09:18:38 PM  
Homeopathy? Gay medicine?
 
2014-03-26 09:18:50 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The manufacturer advises anyone who took any of these penicillin-tainted medications to drop one bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae into a swimming pool and drink from it.


That is a bit concentrated, don't you think?  Most Oscillococcimum capsules have a concentration of 1 molecule of duck liver in an area of about 20 light-years in radius.
 
2014-03-26 09:19:09 PM  
""In patients who are allergic to beta-lactam antibiotics, even at low levels, exposure to penicillin can result in a range of allergic reactions from mild rashes to severe and life-threatening anaphylactic reactions."

That's how I found out I was allergic. Luckily, I was in hospital at the time.
 
2014-03-26 09:19:28 PM  
Doesn't a homeopathic product contain a dose of every possible active ingredient at once? I mean, even in their belief system, why do they think it's pure at the level of their dilution?
 
2014-03-26 09:22:16 PM  

omnimancer28: Lenny_da_Hog: The manufacturer advises anyone who took any of these penicillin-tainted medications to drop one bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae into a swimming pool and drink from it.

That is a bit concentrated, don't you think?  Most Oscillococcimum capsules have a concentration of 1 molecule of duck liver in an area of about 20 light-years in radius.


Emergency medicine is sometimes brutal.
 
2014-03-26 09:23:39 PM  
Did you hear about the guy who overdosed on homeopathic medicine?  He didn't take any.

James "Amazing" Randi does a presentation where he takes an entire bottle of homeopathic medicine and chews them all down even though there's a warning on the label about consuming too many.  It's part of his process of proving just how stupid the entire underlying concept is.
 
2014-03-26 09:24:11 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: omnimancer28: Lenny_da_Hog: The manufacturer advises anyone who took any of these penicillin-tainted medications to drop one bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae into a swimming pool and drink from it.

That is a bit concentrated, don't you think?  Most Oscillococcimum capsules have a concentration of 1 molecule of duck liver in an area of about 20 light-years in radius.

Emergency medicine is sometimes brutal.


Ah, but less is more.  If you diluted that swimming pool in the ocean, then took a bottle of the ocean and diluted it in the great lakes.....THAT would be emergency medicine!
 
2014-03-26 09:25:36 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: Doesn't a homeopathic product contain a dose of every possible active ingredient at once? I mean, even in their belief system, why do they think it's pure at the level of their dilution?


Last I remember reading about it, there's a special shaking ritual you're supposed to after each dilution. Presumably, without that ritual, the solvent doesn't remember any substance in particular.
 
2014-03-26 09:27:12 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The manufacturer advises anyone who took any of these penicillin-tainted medications to drop one bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae into a swimming pool that extends to the orbit of Jupiter, and drink from it.


FTFY.

The weaker the solution, the better. It's best to not even have a molecule of the irritant in the solution, because it disturbs the water's memory.
 
2014-03-26 09:27:22 PM  

Mithiwithi: itcamefromschenectady: Doesn't a homeopathic product contain a dose of every possible active ingredient at once? I mean, even in their belief system, why do they think it's pure at the level of their dilution?

Last I remember reading about it, there's a special shaking ritual you're supposed to after each dilution. Presumably, without that ritual, the solvent doesn't remember any substance in it.


Please tell me it hurt when you read that.
 
2014-03-26 09:30:24 PM  

eyemarten: Homeopathy? Gay medicine?


God damnit. My fark app froze.. I was going to type that. *goes and pouts to my room* I was going to be that guy.
 
2014-03-26 09:31:20 PM  
I had an ear infection not so long ago, and I was shocked both when I was prescribed penicillin, and when it worked.  With all the talk about super-bugs, I thought we were beyond the days when penicillin had any value.  I guess unless you pick up a bug from a hospital, it is probably very unlikely that it would be a anti-bacterial resistant affair.
 
2014-03-26 09:34:36 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I had an ear infection not so long ago, and I was shocked both when I was prescribed penicillin, and when it worked.  With all the talk about super-bugs, I thought we were beyond the days when penicillin had any value.  I guess unless you pick up a bug from a hospital, it is probably very unlikely that it would be a anti-bacterial resistant affair.


Some bacterial ear infections involve more than one organism. They'll typically prescribe a macrolide and cipro otic or a pcn for coverage, and if they culture it, they'll change it based on sensitivities when it comes back.
 
2014-03-26 09:34:55 PM  

lawboy87: Did you hear about the guy who overdosed on homeopathic medicine?  He didn't take any.

James "Amazing" Randi does a presentation where he takes an entire bottle of homeopathic medicine and chews them all down even though there's a warning on the label about consuming too many.  It's part of his process of proving just how stupid the entire underlying concept is.


Well except their processes aren't well controlled and it could contain potentially harmful stuff.
 
2014-03-26 09:37:04 PM  
I hate it when my snake oil contains actual snake.
 
2014-03-26 09:37:32 PM  
My vibrational attuned crystal pendant sends me positive thought-feelings when skcrying for herbal remedies. Also, I can read the store-persons aura and determine whether they are a charlatan.
Plus, ny cruelty free hemp shoes are attunded with magic period blood.
 
2014-03-26 09:37:42 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I had an ear infection not so long ago, and I was shocked both when I was prescribed penicillin, and when it worked.  With all the talk about super-bugs, I thought we were beyond the days when penicillin had any value.  I guess unless you pick up a bug from a hospital, it is probably very unlikely that it would be a anti-bacterial resistant affair.


I was prescribed a sulfa drug once. I was shocked because I thought that was made obsolete by penicillin. But apparently they keep them around in case you are allergic.
 
2014-03-26 09:40:54 PM  
RationalWiki's entry on Homeopathy is worth a read.
 
2014-03-26 09:41:46 PM  
I work with an otherwise extremely smart person who swears that homeopathy is real and that her experience shows it.

I don't know what it is about the idea, but she is otherwise a bright, skeptical person.  Something about the concept of homeopathy lures in otherwise sensible people.

I am a skeptic by nature, but I am willing to look at things that have some rationale based on science or are somehow plausible.  Homeopathy is not one of those things.  My nature asks questions like "what if they shake it the wrong number of times, or dilute it one less than the label.  Could you tell the difference?"

I need one, just one, empirical test that shows that water molecule "vibrations" are changed by the shaking in a non-random manner.  Actually, I need a plausible argument how they might be, then I will be a degree less dismissive.

As the Minchin Storm poem conveys, how does the water remember the drop of onion juice but forget all the poo that has been in it?
 
2014-03-26 09:44:45 PM  

NoahFenze: eyemarten: Homeopathy? Gay medicine?

God damnit. My fark app froze.. I was going to type that. *goes and pouts to my room* I was going to be that guy.


:)
 
2014-03-26 09:44:46 PM  
It's even infecting veterinary things.  I had a client once explain that her birds pneumonia got better not because of the nebulizations and injectable antibiotics we gave it, but because a friend who is a reiki "healer" sent it positive energy from home while it was in our hospital.
 
2014-03-26 09:45:21 PM  
You don't usually see this in an article these days

"It involves the practice of massively diluting active ingredients with large quantities of water, and has since been extensively studied and conclusively debunked. A 2010 report by the Science and Technology Committee of the House of Commons found that homeopathic remedies are "scientifically implausible" and perform no better than placebos. "
 
2014-03-26 09:46:13 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: I was prescribed a sulfa drug once. I was shocked because I thought that was made obsolete by penicillin. But apparently they keep them around in case you are allergic.


Me too, and it worked nicely.  Sometimes medicines are obsoleted not because the successor works better but the side effects are less unpleasant.  If the successor is ineffective due to resistance, old medicines still often work.  In the 1970s I had a nasty pneumonia that was treated with some sort of nasty tasting inhaler and a sulfa drug.  Of course, today they would have tried something more modern, at least at first.
 
2014-03-26 09:49:56 PM  
 
2014-03-26 09:51:15 PM  
i was under the impression that homeopathy was like taking vitamin supplements instead of claratin or benedryl when your nose is running
Which, ya know, seems alright.. right?
I mean obviously if you need an antibiotic you need an antibiotic, or surgery, etc
But should we really shiat on all homeopathy when things can become resistant to simpler medicine?
 
2014-03-26 09:52:23 PM  

ko_kyi: itcamefromschenectady: I was prescribed a sulfa drug once. I was shocked because I thought that was made obsolete by penicillin. But apparently they keep them around in case you are allergic.

Me too, and it worked nicely.  Sometimes medicines are obsoleted not because the successor works better but the side effects are less unpleasant.  If the successor is ineffective due to resistance, old medicines still often work.  In the 1970s I had a nasty pneumonia that was treated with some sort of nasty tasting inhaler and a sulfa drug.  Of course, today they would have tried something more modern, at least at first.


The last time I got an oral antibiotic was clindamycin, and the pharmacist warned me that if I got bloody stools and a fever 3-4 weeks after concluding the medicine, to get to a hospital right away, because "super bacteria".  Thankfully it wasn't for me, but a family member.

I had to go home and learned about pseudomembranous colitis.  Come to find out, she wasn't shiatting me.
 
2014-03-26 09:52:28 PM  
My Homeo!!

ourgang.laurelandhardycentral.com

/not obscure
//got nuthin
 
2014-03-26 09:55:10 PM  

zarker: i was under the impression that homeopathy was like taking vitamin supplements instead of claratin or benedryl when your nose is running
Which, ya know, seems alright.. right?
I mean obviously if you need an antibiotic you need an antibiotic, or surgery, etc
But should we really shiat on all homeopathy when things can become resistant to simpler medicine?


People get homeopathy and herbal remedies easily confused.

At least herbal remedies have some active ingredients.  They might not do anything, but it has something real in it.
 
2014-03-26 09:55:24 PM  
Why are pharmacies allowed to sell medicine that isn't FDA approved anyway?
 
2014-03-26 09:55:32 PM  

zarker: i was under the impression that homeopathy was like taking vitamin supplements instead of claratin or benedryl when your nose is running
Which, ya know, seems alright.. right?
I mean obviously if you need an antibiotic you need an antibiotic, or surgery, etc
But should we really shiat on all homeopathy when things can become resistant to simpler medicine?


You might be thinking of holistic medicine.

Homeopathy is pure, distilled batshiat with no basis in reality.
 
2014-03-26 09:56:53 PM  

lockers: Why are pharmacies allowed to sell medicine that isn't FDA approved anyway?


It's classified as medicine in the US thanks to the The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) of 1938 .
 
2014-03-26 09:57:31 PM  

zarker: i was under the impression that homeopathy was like taking vitamin supplements instead of claratin or benedryl when your nose is running
Which, ya know, seems alright.. right?
I mean obviously if you need an antibiotic you need an antibiotic, or surgery, etc
But should we really shiat on all homeopathy when things can become resistant to simpler medicine?


Taking a homeopathic pill is like drinking a shot of water or eating a tic-tac to cure a headache. Although tap-water will contain more chemicals than a homeopathic pill, because homeopathy pills are literally nothing more than magnesium stearate, or the neutral soapy material use for holding medicine together. There is absolutely nothing medicinal about homeopathy.
 
2014-03-26 09:57:38 PM  

omnimancer28: Lenny_da_Hog: The manufacturer advises anyone who took any of these penicillin-tainted medications to drop one bacterium Neisseria gonorrhoeae into a swimming pool and drink from it.

That is a bit concentrated, don't you think?  Most Oscillococcimum capsules have a concentration of 1 molecule of duck liver in an area of about 20 light-years in radius.


Oscillococcinum is less concentrated than one molecule in the entire universe.

Oscillicococcinum dilution: 1:10^400
Universe contains somewhere around 10^80-ish atoms.

The 'standard' dilutions are typically about as or less concentrated than a single atom on the entire planet.
 
2014-03-26 09:59:07 PM  

meat0918: lockers: Why are pharmacies allowed to sell medicine that isn't FDA approved anyway?

It's classified as medicine in the US thanks to the The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) of 1938 .


You sure it's not classified as cosmetic?
 
2014-03-26 09:59:09 PM  

meat0918: zarker: i was under the impression that homeopathy was like taking vitamin supplements instead of claratin or benedryl when your nose is running
Which, ya know, seems alright.. right?
I mean obviously if you need an antibiotic you need an antibiotic, or surgery, etc
But should we really shiat on all homeopathy when things can become resistant to simpler medicine?

People get homeopathy and herbal remedies easily confused.

At least herbal remedies have some active ingredients.  They might not do anything, but it has something real in it.


I forgot to really answer that last question.

Yes, we really should shiat on all homeopathic remedies.
 
2014-03-26 09:59:27 PM  

meat0918: ko_kyi: itcamefromschenectady: I was prescribed a sulfa drug once. I was shocked because I thought that was made obsolete by penicillin. But apparently they keep them around in case you are allergic.

Me too, and it worked nicely.  Sometimes medicines are obsoleted not because the successor works better but the side effects are less unpleasant.  If the successor is ineffective due to resistance, old medicines still often work.  In the 1970s I had a nasty pneumonia that was treated with some sort of nasty tasting inhaler and a sulfa drug.  Of course, today they would have tried something more modern, at least at first.

The last time I got an oral antibiotic was clindamycin, and the pharmacist warned me that if I got bloody stools and a fever 3-4 weeks after concluding the medicine, to get to a hospital right away, because "super bacteria".  Thankfully it wasn't for me, but a family member.

I had to go home and learned about pseudomembranous colitis.  Come to find out, she wasn't shiatting me.


When I was a kid, I had an old Mennonite doctor who usually tried the old tried-and-true before going on to the new stuff.  He was a great Doctor, and I found out after he died that he was a decorated medic in WWII.  He had a beautiful brass microscope stored under a glass orb in his office, and he used it to do his own tests when needed.  I can still see it in my mind's eye like it was yesterday.  After a shot once I said "Gimme five" and held my hand out.  He looked at my mom and thought I was asking for 5 dollars.
 
2014-03-26 09:59:30 PM  
 
2014-03-26 09:59:45 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: meat0918: lockers: Why are pharmacies allowed to sell medicine that isn't FDA approved anyway?

It's classified as medicine in the US thanks to the The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) of 1938 .

You sure it's not classified as cosmetic?


Sadly, no

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_prevalence_of_homeopathy #U nited_States
 
2014-03-26 10:00:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: Mithiwithi: itcamefromschenectady: Doesn't a homeopathic product contain a dose of every possible active ingredient at once? I mean, even in their belief system, why do they think it's pure at the level of their dilution?

Last I remember reading about it, there's a special shaking ritual you're supposed to after each dilution. Presumably, without that ritual, the solvent doesn't remember any substance in it.

Please tell me it hurt when you read that.


I believe I read it in the RationalWiki article JonBuck linked elsewhere in the thread, so it mostly hurt from laughing too hard.
 
2014-03-26 10:00:52 PM  
Hell zicam actual caused a permanant loss of smell and they still were sold. The company is fighting a ban until the FDA proves it does it.
 
2014-03-26 10:03:00 PM  

meat0918: Lenny_da_Hog: meat0918: lockers: Why are pharmacies allowed to sell medicine that isn't FDA approved anyway?

It's classified as medicine in the US thanks to the The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) of 1938 .

You sure it's not classified as cosmetic?

Sadly, no

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_prevalence_of_homeopathy #U nited_States


ugh, what horseshiat
 
2014-03-26 10:03:46 PM  

JonBuck: RationalWiki's entry on Homeopathy is worth a read.


My favorite line:

"The only measurable ingredients are water and/or alcohol which is used to "preserve the medicinal power for a long period of time during storage." If the latter is used, it is essentially Vitameatavegamin".

...and so tasty, too.

*retch*
 
2014-03-26 10:04:27 PM  

ko_kyi: I work with an otherwise extremely smart person who swears that homeopathy is real and that her experience shows it.

I don't know what it is about the idea, but she is otherwise a bright, skeptical person.  Something about the concept of homeopathy lures in otherwise sensible people.


My mother in law falls for stuff like this. I think the best was after my wife had our daughter the C-section was causing her issues. When I got home from work I saw her sitting on a pad and I thought it was a heating pad at first. When I asked about it my MiL said it was a grounding pad. You plug it into the ground wire in an electrical outlet and it grounds you with the earth letting you heal faster. I just shook my head and walked out of the room.
 
2014-03-26 10:04:40 PM  
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