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(Salon)   If the Hobby Lobby case is decided in favor of a corporations religious rights, the question arises: what would prevent a company from ordering all its employees to attend mandatory prayer sessions or religious instructions   (salon.com) divider line 232
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2014-03-26 03:38:46 PM  
Serious question - is there something stopping them from doing that now, absent a specific statute outlawing it?
 
2014-03-26 03:40:22 PM  
How can a corporation have a religion?  Oh, right, I forgot, they're people now.
 
2014-03-26 04:01:22 PM  
The difference is a religious organization- such as the very large Franciscan Healthcare system which controls some 12 hospitals in Washington State- really doesn't care.  However, they simply won't do some things- like the morning after pill because it's a needless abortion in their eyes.  But on a day to day operation nobody cares.

Cheap entertainment is to wear a US Custom's green hat, with a US Custom's windbreaker and go into the emergency waiting room saying "Aduanas y EE.UU. la inmigración-Me gustaría ver sus tarjetas de residencia, licencia de conducir y comprobante de ingresos que está aquí en el Estado de Estados legalmente, gracias"  (US Customs and immigration- I'd like to see your green cards, drivers license, and proof of income that you're here in the United State's legally, thank you)  For some reason a lot of people seem to use the bathroom- and my wife goes right to the front of the line to see the ER doctor.
 
2014-03-26 04:04:08 PM  

Trailltrader: my wife goes right to the front of the line to see the ER doctor


You know that you can get subsidized health care now so that you can visit a regular GP instead?
 
2014-03-26 04:05:18 PM  
I am going to have mandatory circumcision checks. Every day.
 
2014-03-26 04:07:48 PM  

Trailltrader: The difference is a religious organization- such as the very large Franciscan Healthcare system which controls some 12 hospitals in Washington State- really doesn't care.  However, they simply won't do some things- like the morning after pill because it's a needless abortion in their eyes.  But on a day to day operation nobody cares.

Cheap entertainment is to wear a US Custom's green hat, with a US Custom's windbreaker and go into the emergency waiting room saying "Aduanas y EE.UU. la inmigración-Me gustaría ver sus tarjetas de residencia, licencia de conducir y comprobante de ingresos que está aquí en el Estado de Estados legalmente, gracias"  (US Customs and immigration- I'd like to see your green cards, drivers license, and proof of income that you're here in the United State's legally, thank you)  For some reason a lot of people seem to use the bathroom- and my wife goes right to the front of the line to see the ER doctor.


Bullshiat.

Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
 
2014-03-26 04:09:29 PM  
If corporations can be ruled as able to be religious, does that mean Hobby Lobby as an entity attends church on a regular basis?
 
2014-03-26 04:12:53 PM  
Another way to get to the front of the line in an Emergency Room is to tell them you might have rabies.
 
2014-03-26 04:13:23 PM  
Carl's Jr. is responsible for your financial, spiritual and medical well-being.
 
2014-03-26 04:14:40 PM  

vernonFL: I am going to have mandatory circumcision checks. Every day.


Circumcisions should be the first thing cut.
 
2014-03-26 04:14:52 PM  

Trailltrader: The difference is a religious organization- such as the very large Franciscan Healthcare system which controls some 12 hospitals in Washington State- really doesn't care.  However, they simply won't do some things- like the morning after pill because it's a needless abortion in their eyes.  But on a day to day operation nobody cares.

Cheap entertainment is to wear a US Custom's green hat, with a US Custom's windbreaker and go into the emergency waiting room saying "Aduanas y EE.UU. la inmigración-Me gustaría ver sus tarjetas de residencia, licencia de conducir y comprobante de ingresos que está aquí en el Estado de Estados legalmente, gracias"  (US Customs and immigration- I'd like to see your green cards, drivers license, and proof of income that you're here in the United State's legally, thank you)  For some reason a lot of people seem to use the bathroom- and my wife goes right to the front of the line to see the ER doctor.


You should tell everybody about the time you tried to use a $2 dollar bill at Taco Bell.
 
2014-03-26 04:16:34 PM  
another way to get in front of the line in an emergency room is to fart constantly and loudly
 
2014-03-26 04:17:40 PM  
They can just quit and go work somewhere else. Right?
 
2014-03-26 04:18:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Trailltrader: my wife goes right to the front of the line to see the ER doctor

You know that you can get subsidized health care now so that you can visit a regular GP instead?


You know he's an asshole, right?
 
2014-03-26 04:19:53 PM  

propasaurus: They can just quit and go work somewhere else. Right?


Sure, but when you apply for a job you'll have to ask about salary, benefits and the religious denomination of the company.
 
2014-03-26 04:26:30 PM  

propasaurus: They can just quit and go work somewhere else. Right?


Sure, but this is the same argument as "those black people can just eat at some other restaurant". It's not an accepted argument.
 
2014-03-26 04:26:35 PM  

propasaurus: Marcus Aurelius: Trailltrader: my wife goes right to the front of the line to see the ER doctor

You know that you can get subsidized health care now so that you can visit a regular GP instead?

You know he's an asshole, right?


Yes, I do believe he has confirmed that fact for me.  I will color him in accordingly.
 
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2014-03-26 04:27:31 PM  

Trailltrader: The difference is a religious organization- such as the very large Franciscan Healthcare system which controls some 12 hospitals in Washington State- really doesn't care.  However, they simply won't do some things- like the morning after pill because it's a needless abortion in their eyes.  But on a day to day operation nobody cares.

Cheap entertainment is to wear a US Custom's green hat, with a US Custom's windbreaker and go into the emergency waiting room saying "Aduanas y EE.UU. la inmigración-Me gustaría ver sus tarjetas de residencia, licencia de conducir y comprobante de ingresos que está aquí en el Estado de Estados legalmente, gracias"  (US Customs and immigration- I'd like to see your green cards, drivers license, and proof of income that you're here in the United State's legally, thank you)  For some reason a lot of people seem to use the bathroom- and my wife goes right to the front of the line to see the ER doctor.


You know when your wife has an emergency, it's poor form to waste time trying to get a semi-stiffy with poorly-written cosplay.
 
2014-03-26 04:28:56 PM  
I worked for a catholic charity and was required to attend mass a few times.  Now I don't work there no more.
 
2014-03-26 04:29:08 PM  
Welcome to Ayahuasca Accounting!

Your resume looks great and you passed our standard background check.

Are you okay with drinking a psychedelic brew of various South American plant infusions? its common practice in my family, we're originally from Brasil.

Whats that? You *don't* practice Shamanic Witchcraft?

I'm sorry, but Im afraid you might not fit in here. Maybe try Katz accountants up the street.
 
2014-03-26 04:29:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Serious question - is there something stopping them from doing that now, absent a specific statute outlawing it?


Back in the late 70s, early 80s I worked for a small retail boutique. The owners were heavily into what was at the time called EST (I think it's now called Landmark Forums.) They insisted that all employees attend EST training seminars and once a week would have mandatory employee meetings where everyone was expected to 'share.' I never did.
I was still their top sales person.
 
2014-03-26 04:30:33 PM  
So then the Catholic church can excommunicate corporations?  That'd be a hoot.

Maybe we can then exorcise companies as well. If a corporation has a religion then it follows that it has a soul.  It it has a soul then it can be possessed by demons.   I want to see Wal-Mart tied to a four poster bed while Max von Sydow chants over it.     Better yet, I want to see it tied to a chair above a Devil's trap in a basement somewhere while Dean Winchester tortures it with a magic knife.

It's a start.
 
2014-03-26 04:30:37 PM  

Jackson Herring: another way to get in front of the line in an emergency room is to fart constantly and loudly


That didn't work the time I happened to be in the ER right as 45 people were injured in the Taco Bell collapse
 
2014-03-26 04:31:28 PM  

vernonFL: Welcome to Ayahuasca Accounting!

Your resume looks great and you passed our standard background check.

Are you okay with drinking a psychedelic brew of various South American plant infusions? its common practice in my family, we're originally from Brasil.

Whats that? You *don't* practice Shamanic Witchcraft?

I'm sorry, but Im afraid you might not fit in here. Maybe try Katz accountants up the street.


...be sure to show them your circumcision.
 
2014-03-26 05:04:33 PM  
Does Obamacare cover "life-clock" installations?
 
2014-03-26 05:08:56 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Yes, I do believe he has confirmed that fact for me. I will color him in accordingly.


I have him in a special "invisible" color, it makes threads so much nicer.
 
2014-03-26 05:11:18 PM  

James!: I worked for a catholic charity and was required to attend mass a few times.  Now I don't work there no more.


I understand they make the priests show up at Mass, like, all the time.  Bastards!
 
2014-03-26 05:11:46 PM  
I hate slippery slope arguments, and this is admittedly one of them.

If you want something more realistic, try this.
 
2014-03-26 05:11:54 PM  

nekom: How can a corporation have a religion?  Oh, right, I forgot, they're people now.


I can't wait to see "Microsoft" get jury duty.
 
2014-03-26 05:11:58 PM  
The difference is that the court would be giving permission to refrain from a mandate, not permission to overstep a prohibition.
 
2014-03-26 05:12:02 PM  

Garet Garrett: James!: I worked for a catholic charity and was required to attend mass a few times.  Now I don't work there no more.

I understand they make the priests show up at Mass, like, all the time.  Bastards!


Ooh, that would've been apropos, had a church been a commercial entity rather than a non-profit.
 
2014-03-26 05:12:46 PM  
Here's a nice post about how Hobby Lobby can go fark themselves with a bowl of burning dicks.
 
2014-03-26 05:12:54 PM  

Silly_Sot: The difference is that the court would be giving permission to refrain from a mandate, not permission to overstep a prohibition.


What's the difference?
 
2014-03-26 05:12:56 PM  

DamnYankees: Serious question - is there something stopping them from doing that now, absent a specific statute outlawing it?


I assume any tax breaks or other compensation they receive from the Federal Government would come into play, but I'm sure there are some truly private places like Augusta Golf Club which could and would pull off such BS
 
2014-03-26 05:14:02 PM  
F*cking Christian Dominionism run amok. This theofascist sh*t has to stop- it's antithetical to every principle of liberty.
 
2014-03-26 05:14:07 PM  
For God so loved Hobby Lobby....
 
2014-03-26 05:14:18 PM  
You mean besides an angry union-organized mob with baseball bats, Subby?
 
2014-03-26 05:14:40 PM  

jst3p: nekom: How can a corporation have a religion?  Oh, right, I forgot, they're people now.

I can't wait to see "Microsoft" get jury duty.


404 guilty not found
 
2014-03-26 05:15:43 PM  
I am actually wondering where it stops - if we'll one day wind up in a situation (much like credit cards today) where every corporation is a Christian Scientist, and your maladies are just god telling you you don't believe hard enough.

I mean, so long as the CORPORATION (not its owners) can point to observances in line with the faith and claims these are "deeply-" or "closely-" (or whateverthefark term) "-held beliefs", the courts can't say boo.

Lovely.
 
2014-03-26 05:16:26 PM  
The one positive thing about corporations being deemed "religious" is that you'd never get fired, because that would be abortion.
 
2014-03-26 05:16:38 PM  

vernonFL: Another way to get to the front of the line in an Emergency Room is to tell them you might have rabies.


Or Ebola...wait, they'd call the CDC for that one.
 
2014-03-26 05:16:39 PM  

Trivia Jockey: jst3p: nekom: How can a corporation have a religion?  Oh, right, I forgot, they're people now.

I can't wait to see "Microsoft" get jury duty.

404 guilty not found


"We have a hung jury your honor."
"Did you try turning it off and then turning it back on again?"
 
2014-03-26 05:16:43 PM  

propasaurus: They can just quit and go work somewhere else. Right?



Asked

James!: I worked for a catholic charity and was required to attend mass a few times.  Now I don't work there no more.


and answered.
 
2014-03-26 05:16:44 PM  

Garet Garrett: James!: I worked for a catholic charity and was required to attend mass a few times.  Now I don't work there no more.

I understand they make the priests show up at Mass, like, all the time.  Bastards!


It was a catholic charity, not the catholic church.  Basically the diocese needed an un-associated entity to stash all it's money just in case someone got handsy with a kid.
 
2014-03-26 05:18:05 PM  

jst3p: Trivia Jockey: jst3p: nekom: How can a corporation have a religion?  Oh, right, I forgot, they're people now.

I can't wait to see "Microsoft" get jury duty.

404 guilty not found

"We have a hung jury your honor."
"Did you try turning it off and then turning it back on again?"


Jiggle the cord!
 
2014-03-26 05:18:18 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I am actually wondering where it stops - if we'll one day wind up in a situation (much like credit cards today) where every corporation is a Christian Scientist,


So your credit card company would have to "forgive" your debt!
 
2014-03-26 05:18:22 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: propasaurus: They can just quit and go work somewhere else. Right?


Asked

James!: I worked for a catholic charity and was required to attend mass a few times.  Now I don't work there no more.

and answered.


And what happens if there is a concerted push by religious groups to buy controlling shares for the express purpose of "converting" companies?
 
2014-03-26 05:18:54 PM  

jst3p: Trivia Jockey: jst3p: nekom: How can a corporation have a religion?  Oh, right, I forgot, they're people now.

I can't wait to see "Microsoft" get jury duty.

404 guilty not found

"We have a hung jury your honor."
"Did you try turning it off and then turning it back on again?"


LOLOL
 
2014-03-26 05:19:36 PM  
If the corporations who insist that they are people are really people, they are the stupidest goddamn people in the planet.  They are the kind of people you want to tie up, blindfold and drop off in the wilderness of a third-world country somewhere.
 
2014-03-26 05:21:37 PM  
So it's OK to fire an employee for not being Christian?
 
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