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(Lexington Herald Leader)   Ex-teacher sues Catholic school that fired her for getting pregnant while unmarried, despite famous precedent   (kentucky.com) divider line 53
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2014-03-26 12:15:14 PM  
Good luck with that. You have no protection with the EEOC.
 
2014-03-26 12:25:18 PM  
That school is gonna feel really foolish when the baby turns the water in the baptismal pool into wine...
 
2014-03-26 12:25:50 PM  
This is what happens when you associate with Catholics.
 
2014-03-26 12:36:56 PM  
BUTTE, Mont.

If she was doing it in Butte, how did she get pregnant?

Also...
Catholic school that fired her for getting pregnant while unmarried

[Shaela] Evenson's son, Brody Tobin Evenson, was born on March 7 in Butte. He's the first child for Evenson and her partner, Marilyn Tobin.


Yeah, somehow I don't think the out of wedlock pregnancy was the largest issue.
 
2014-03-26 01:53:05 PM  
Uhhh....Mary was married to Joseph when they had Jesus, submitter.

Now, if she got pregnant from some mystical being other than her husband, you might have a point.
 
2014-03-26 02:04:14 PM  
The headline -- it's fantastic, subster, despite the pedants.

If you get in bed with the Catholics (so to speak), you have to play by their rules. I think anybody who works for any religious institution or private school is a masochist. Life is too short to be playing a constant game of "Appease the Sky Wizard," especially if they don't believe in it.
 
2014-03-26 02:27:54 PM  

exick: BUTTE, Mont.

If she was doing it in Butte, how did she get pregnant?

Also...
Catholic school that fired her for getting pregnant while unmarried

[Shaela] Evenson's son, Brody Tobin Evenson, was born on March 7 in Butte. He's the first child for Evenson and her partner, Marilyn Tobin.

Yeah, somehow I don't think the out of wedlock pregnancy was the largest issue.


I'm sure you're correct.  But the unmarried thing is probably what gives them some policy coverage for the firing.
 
2014-03-26 02:38:13 PM  

ginandbacon: Good luck with that. You have no protection with the EEOC.



From the linked article.

The attorney won a similar case against an archdiocese in Ohio last year when he represented a woman who had become pregnant while unwed while working at a Catholic school. She was awarded $170,000 after the jury found the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cincinnati had discriminated against her by firing her once she became pregnant by artificial insemination while unmarried.

In that case, the jury was instructed that even if an employee signed an employment contract containing a morality clause, that does not exempt that person's employment from the protections of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. The jury was told that an employee cannot waive his rights to be free from unlawful discrimination.

Butler said that case made clear that an employer, even if it is a religious institution, cannot require an employee to sign a contract giving up certain civil rights, which includes the right of a woman to bear children.
 
2014-03-26 02:40:29 PM  

Diogenes: I'm sure you're correct. But the unmarried thing is probably what gives them some policy coverage for the firing.

Potentially, but I'm curious about the actual language of it. I've seen other articles that suggest that the school officials stood by their decision to fire her because sex outside of marriage violates the morality clause of her contract. Now, her being a (presumably) cohabitating lesbian means that she was probably still in violation of that, but the pregnancy had nothing to do with whatever sex she was having, so I'm having a hard time buying their contention that she wasn't fired for being gay.
 
2014-03-26 02:50:52 PM  

ginandbacon: Good luck with that. You have no protection with the EEOC.


Sadly, this.
 
2014-03-26 02:53:35 PM  
Joseph said, "that's the last time I take a job out of town."
 
2014-03-26 02:53:46 PM  
good. I hope she gets the bishop's frking candlesticks.
Fark the dead-guy-on-a-stick lickers.
Creepy as clowns they are.
 
2014-03-26 02:55:55 PM  
If you don't want to follow crazy religious rules, don't work at a crazy religious institution.
 
2014-03-26 02:56:33 PM  

Diogenes: exick: BUTTE, Mont.

If she was doing it in Butte, how did she get pregnant?

Also...
Catholic school that fired her for getting pregnant while unmarried

[Shaela] Evenson's son, Brody Tobin Evenson, was born on March 7 in Butte. He's the first child for Evenson and her partner, Marilyn Tobin.

Yeah, somehow I don't think the out of wedlock pregnancy was the largest issue.

I'm sure you're correct.  But the unmarried thing is probably what gives them some policy coverage for the firing.


I'm not so sure. Marilyn Manson is a dude, at least was at one time.

It's Montana, crazy hippies and oddball farmers/ranchers name their kids all sorts of things.
 
2014-03-26 02:57:28 PM  
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Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and Sarah, disagree.
 
2014-03-26 03:02:40 PM  
It's pretty farked up when someone needs a job so bad they'll sign anything.  Even a vague morality clause.
 
2014-03-26 03:02:47 PM  
This makes no frankincense.
 
2014-03-26 03:03:14 PM  
And you better be the only son of God.
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2014-03-26 03:05:48 PM  
They should have named the boy 'Jason', just to fark with those Jesus-people.
 
2014-03-26 03:07:58 PM  
Should have stuck to playing with the kids behind closed doors, that seems to be OK.  Also apparently building really luxurious residents for the Church hierarchy
 
2014-03-26 03:07:59 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: That school is gonna feel really foolish when the baby turns the water in the baptismal pool into wine...


They baptize bastards now?
 
2014-03-26 03:19:09 PM  

Pangit: Uhhh....Mary was married to Joseph when they had Jesus, submitter.

Now, if she got pregnant from some mystical being other than her husband, you might have a point.


Oh! I thought subby was talking about Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that happened in 2012, which says that a religious organization can fire you if you don't live up to their religious expectations (or something like that).
 
2014-03-26 03:25:50 PM  

ginandbacon: Good luck with that. You have no protection with the EEOC.


EEOC only covers abuse for being pregnant.   It does not cover you for agreeing to an at will morality clause.
 
2014-03-26 03:26:55 PM  
I was actually wondering why we don't hear about more claims of immaculate conception.  I mean, there are tons of religious people just waiting for the second coming of Christ.  I don't know if the Bible goes into specifics, but I'd think there could be another....right?  And really, how could any Christian say that they weren't telling the truth?

So I looked it up.

As it turns out, it's just SO common, nobody reports it.  Like 1% of pregnancies include women who *totally swear* they never had sex with anyone!
 
2014-03-26 03:29:33 PM  
Subby, if you're referring to the Blessed Mother Mary, you'd better step back.  She was married; it's just that the baby daddy wasn't her husband.  So I guess it's not a sin to get pregnant by someone other than your husband.  It's a sin if the father of your unborn child is anyone other than your husband or God.
 
2014-03-26 03:29:36 PM  
She had her baby, yes? Why don't they consider her a pro-life hero then?

Honestly, she is a sterling example that they are turning their noses up at.

How stupid.
 
2014-03-26 03:30:58 PM  
Famous precedent being Darth Vader.
 
2014-03-26 03:31:05 PM  

exick: Diogenes: I'm sure you're correct. But the unmarried thing is probably what gives them some policy coverage for the firing.
Potentially, but I'm curious about the actual language of it. I've seen other articles that suggest that the school officials stood by their decision to fire her because sex outside of marriage violates the morality clause of her contract. Now, her being a (presumably) cohabitating lesbian means that she was probably still in violation of that, but the pregnancy had nothing to do with whatever sex she was having, so I'm having a hard time buying their contention that she wasn't fired for being gay.


You can have a hard time believing it if you want, but they prohibit artificial insemination, so there is no evidence she was fired for being gay.
 
2014-03-26 03:34:11 PM  
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This is assistant coach, Shaela Evenson (left) talking with head volleyball coach, Marilyn Tobin.

Photo from 2006, when these two women were volleyball coaches at Montana Tech, where Evenson was once a star player.

I wonder if this was an artificially inseminated baby or if she got a guy to come in and boink her? Regardless, the two ladies have registered the baby with a local store for a baby shower, something which shows this baby is very loved and wanted.
 
2014-03-26 03:34:34 PM  

phenn: She had her baby, yes? Why don't they consider her a pro-life hero then?

Honestly, she is a sterling example that they are turning their noses up at.

How stupid.


That was my thought, too.  Why didn't she do the ethical thing, like cover up the pregnancy and have an abortion in secret?
 
2014-03-26 03:37:49 PM  

LeroyBourne: It's pretty farked up when someone needs a job so bad they'll sign anything.  Even a vague morality clause.


Like the employment contract that says I *may* be screened for drugs even though no one I work with has ever been screened? And it's common knowledge than many employees smoke copious amounts.

Eventually someone will get nailed.

Some people gamble and win, while others lose.
 
2014-03-26 03:39:01 PM  
I went to a parochial high school.  A few years after I graduated, one of the lay teachers (which is an ironic title for teachers that weren't priests or nuns) that I had for a couple classes while I was there (and he was a character) had an allegedly rather scandalous affair on his wife with a women 15 years younger.  After he and his wife divorced (strike #1), he got a place with the younger woman and lived in sin (not alleged).  He was fired by my alma mater.  He consequently sued and won something like $150k (in late 80's dollars).

While the teaching contract he signed has something of a morals clause, I think the argument that was made is that while he is living with a woman while unmarried, the church could not prove that he's engaging in sinful behavior with the woman (as in premarital sex).  His affair wasn't proven either (nor was it brought up in divorce proceedings).  So yeah, he basically ended up with 6 years of pay.
 
2014-03-26 03:42:39 PM  

Prey4reign: Subby, if you're referring to the Blessed Mother Mary, you'd better step back.  She was married; it's just that the baby daddy wasn't her husband.  So I guess it's not a sin to get pregnant by someone other than your husband.  It's a sin if the father of your unborn child is anyone other than your husband or God.


Mary and Joseph weren't married when Mary discovered she was pregnant. They were married before Jesus was born, however.

Matthew 1:18

"His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. " (NIV)

/not a christian, but I play one on FARK
 
2014-03-26 03:47:40 PM  
They should just be happy that she didn't have a kid with one of her students.
 
2014-03-26 04:11:54 PM  

exick: BUTTE, Mont.

If she was doing it in Butte, how did she get pregnant?

Also...
Catholic school that fired her for getting pregnant while unmarried

[Shaela] Evenson's son, Brody Tobin Evenson, was born on March 7 in Butte. He's the first child for Evenson and her partner, Marilyn Tobin.

Yeah, somehow I don't think the out of wedlock pregnancy was the largest issue.


This has been the poorly kept secret regarding the case. I don't think any newspapers have reported that she is lesbian until now though.

It wasn't a secret she was a lesbian. The school was aware. Apparently THAT wasn't violating Catholic teachings, but having a baby is...
 
2014-03-26 04:15:27 PM  
Precedents don't mean jack to an attorney who can see a big ol' pile of cash up ahead .. and today's jurors  always side with a baby momma that been done wrong .. and Judges? Lawd, chil' don't be getting up on me about dem judges ..
 
2014-03-26 04:15:36 PM  

stevenbdjr: Prey4reign: Subby, if you're referring to the Blessed Mother Mary, you'd better step back.  She was married; it's just that the baby daddy wasn't her husband.  So I guess it's not a sin to get pregnant by someone other than your husband.  It's a sin if the father of your unborn child is anyone other than your husband or God.

Mary and Joseph weren't married when Mary discovered she was pregnant. They were married before Jesus was born, however.

Matthew 1:18

"His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. " (NIV)

/not a christian, but I play one on FARK



Of course they included that twist in the "story" so that she could be a "Virgin Mother".
 
2014-03-26 04:24:29 PM  
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2014-03-26 04:54:58 PM  
I've always been puzzled by these morality clauses that churches inflict on their employees.

Does it mean that if you sin you get fired? Which means all she needs to do is show someone else at the school committed a known sin and wasn't fired. That shows the rule isn't being evenly applied and she can sue over that.

More likely it is a sex-specific rule. Which Jesus was known to have fought against.
 
2014-03-26 04:57:20 PM  

Diogenes: I'm sure you're correct. But the unmarried thing is probably what gives them some policy coverage for the firing.


Here's what I'm thinking: the school board can't fire her for being pregnant, they definitely can't fire her for being lesbian, but the out of wedlock thing is interesting.  I wonder if she and her partner are legally married?  If so, they really can't fire her, then, can they?

Also, wouldn't they have to prove it was sex out of wedlock?  Who said she had sex?  Maybe she was artificially inseminated.

I think the school board painted themselves into a sticky corner on this one.
 
2014-03-26 04:58:17 PM  

Pangit: Uhhh....Mary was married to Joseph when they had Jesus, submitter.


Sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you on that point.
Mary according to the bible was a virgin, therefore the marriage between her and Joseph was never consummated which in turn means that Mary and Joseph were never married, which means Jesus was born out of wedlock, which means Jesus was a bastard.
 
2014-03-26 05:19:46 PM  

varmitydog: [photos1.blogger.com image 320x240]
This is assistant coach, Shaela Evenson (left) talking with head volleyball coach, Marilyn Tobin.

Photo from 2006, when these two women were volleyball coaches at Montana Tech, where Evenson was once a star player.

I wonder if this was an artificially inseminated baby or if she got a guy to come in and boink her? Regardless, the two ladies have registered the baby with a local store for a baby shower, something which shows this baby is very loved and wanted.


What? Because they were greedy and self important and wanted everyone to buy them gifts, that proves the baby was wanted and loved?
 
2014-03-26 05:49:44 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: You can have a hard time believing it if you want, but they prohibit artificial insemination, so there is no evidence she was fired for being gay.


How else is a lesbian supposed to get pregnant?

This one gay chick I knew passed out drunk at some frat boy's house, but that was 1985.
 
2014-03-26 05:52:06 PM  
Why is the Constitution so hard to comprehend?  The religious-based school is allowed to make rules based on the religious teachings of their faith.  She knew the rules going into her time spent working there.


This is different than the link right above this one, or the Hobby Lobby issue.

As opposed to religious-based entities, businesses that serve everyone, and completely unaffiliated with a formal religion, but run by people who consider themselves religious, should STFU and serve everyone, or serve no-one.  Regular businesses cannot go down the path of religious exclusions, because I don't think these Christian freakos have thought about the logical conclusion that businesses run by Jews or Muslims could put unconventional restrictions on their clientele, thereby making everyday shopping utter chaos.
 
2014-03-26 05:52:54 PM  
Out of curiosity, does someone with more religious knowledge then me know if the bible states that Adam and Eve were married before they got all giggity?

I can't seem to find that anywhere.
 
2014-03-26 05:52:56 PM  

madgonad: More likely it is a sex-specific rule.


How could they fire a man for getting pregnant?

boyvoyeur: varmitydog:

Regardless, the two ladies have registered the baby with a local store for a baby shower, something which shows this baby is very loved and wanted.

What? Because they were greedy and self important and wanted everyone to buy them gifts, that proves the baby was wanted and loved?


BINGO.
 
2014-03-26 06:13:39 PM  
Seriously whie i know the can get away with it they should not be allowed to do such things even if private religious schools, there has to be a line drawn sooner or later where what we allow faith to dictate and what is just not permissible in any situation for any reason.
 
2014-03-26 06:23:38 PM  

The One True TheDavid: madgonad: More likely it is a sex-specific rule.

How could they fire a man for getting pregnant?

boyvoyeur: varmitydog:

Regardless, the two ladies have registered the baby with a local store for a baby shower, something which shows this baby is very loved and wanted.

What? Because they were greedy and self important and wanted everyone to buy them gifts, that proves the baby was wanted and loved?

BINGO.



I'll try to find the link, but I recall reading a story of a guy that was fired when his girlfriend (not wife) got pregnant (Yeah, I know it wasn't him getting pregnant, but it's pretty much the same reason for the firing, as this story).
 
2014-03-26 06:48:06 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Nutsac_Jim: You can have a hard time believing it if you want, but they prohibit artificial insemination, so there is no evidence she was fired for being gay.

How else is a lesbian supposed to get pregnant?

This one gay chick I knew passed out drunk at some frat boy's house, but that was 1985.


Frankly, if your heterophobia is enough to keep you from getting impregnated, perhaps motherhood is not for you.  Of course, most people shouldn't be allowed to breed, so that really isn't all that high of a standard.
 
2014-03-26 07:03:47 PM  

Pangit: Uhhh....Mary was married to Joseph when they had Jesus, submitter.

Now, if she got pregnant from some mystical being other than her husband, you might have a point.


Roman soldiers aren't mystical beings.
 
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