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2014-03-26 12:44:21 PM  
Kids will neither be rewarded nor punished for expressing religious beliefs, doctrines, nor condemnations?  Okay.
Teacher: "By what means did the earth originally form and how long ago was that?"
Student: "God did it at the beginning of the bible, about 6,000 years ago."
Teacher: "Zero points, but I respect you for exercising your rights."
 
2014-03-26 12:52:00 PM  
"At a basic level," Badash wrote, "a student could merely write 'God' on a chemistry test as the answer to a question asking where water comes from.

And since the law says that a student can't be punished or rewarded for expressing their religious beliefs, what is the teacher's course of action in this case? Mostly likely, if this law passes, a teacher is going to be forced to ignore the religious portion of the answer and realize there's nothing else there and give the answer a score of zero, which seems ok to me.
 
2014-03-26 12:53:26 PM  
 
2014-03-26 12:54:12 PM  

exick: Mostly likely, if this law passes, a teacher is going to be forced to ignore the religious portion of the answer and realize there's nothing else there and give the answer a score of zero, which seems ok to me.


And that is totally fine.  The items that have me stymied are:
1. Full-on, no-repercussion proselytizing is green-lit in schools by students
2. Full-on, no-repercussion proselytizing is green-lit in schools by schools

How the f*ck is church not enough church for these people?
 
2014-03-26 12:54:49 PM  
"The bill states 'a student may express beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their submissions. A student would not be penalized or rewarded on account of the religious content of the student's work.'"

So what you're saying, is this bill does absolutely nothing.

Thank you Republicans, for once again fixing problems that don't exist, and in the process, possibly creating some.
 
2014-03-26 12:57:02 PM  
Bill Summary:   Only students in the highest two grade levels of the school and who hold one of the following positions of honor based on neutral criteria would be eligible to use the limited public forum:

(1) Student council officers;
(2) Class officers of the highest grade level in the school;
(3) Captains of the football team; and
(4) Other students holding positions of honor as the LEA may designate.


I can't exactly explain why this is hilarious and disturbing, but it is both hilarious and disturbing to me.
 
2014-03-26 12:59:54 PM  

Somacandra: Link to the TN General Assembly's published Bill Summary.


From the text: Under the model policy, the LEA would set a maximum time limit reasonable and appropriate to the occasion for each speaker to speak at a limited public forum. Only students in the highest two grade levels of the school and who hold one of the following positions of honor based on neutral criteria would be eligible to use the limited public forum:

(1) Student council officers;
(2) Class officers of the highest grade level in the school;
(3) Captains of the football team; and
(4) Other students holding positions of honor as the LEA may designate.


Why the f*ck would these guys need state-legislated, automatic designation over any other students as "positions of honor?"  Notice that students on the "distinguished honor roll" don't get a mention, just the guys that can execute a good, three-step drop.  "School: not for academics, f*ggot!"
 
2014-03-26 01:00:38 PM  
I wish these f*cktards would hurry up and Rapture the hell out of here
 
2014-03-26 01:04:04 PM  

impaler: So what you're saying, is this bill does absolutely nothing.


What it explicitly does is allow football teams to mandate prayer before practice and games, as well as student councils at meetings, and graduation ceremonies to praise Jesus to their hearts' content.  That's where the red meat is.  Heaven forbid we don't get everyone in the stadium to pray to God that he ensure that only Knoxville East High School players get concussions!

impaler: possibly creating some.


Exactly, as it also provides a venue for school-mandated, student-led prayer and evangelization sessions.  What it implicitly does is allow students to sh*t on others because preacher-man told them to with no repercussion.
 
2014-03-26 01:05:41 PM  
factoryconnection: How the f*ck is church not enough church for these people?
Don't get the wrong impression. I think this bill is a disaster, but that particular portion seems silly and unnecessary.

From the actual bill, when referring to allowing students to express religious beliefs at graduation ceremonies and other speaking events, it says:
(3) Ensure that a student speaker does not engage in speech that
is obscene, vulgar, offensively lewd, indecent or promotes illegal drug
use

Oh hell no! You don't get to hide behind the First Amendment so you can get religion into the classroom and stomp on the First Amendment for other students just to make sure that no naughty words get said that might offend your delicate sensibilities. Fark you right in the farking ear.
 
2014-03-26 01:06:35 PM  

Somacandra: Bill Summary:   Only students in the highest two grade levels of the school and who hold one of the following positions of honor based on neutral criteria would be eligible to use the limited public forum:

(1) Student council officers;
(2) Class officers of the highest grade level in the school;
(3) Captains of the football team; and
(4) Other students holding positions of honor as the LEA may designate.

I can't exactly explain why this is hilarious and disturbing, but it is both hilarious and disturbing to me.


probably because it explicitly mentions them, but not other positions like captain of the debate team or Key Club
 
2014-03-26 01:08:08 PM  

factoryconnection: Teacher: "By what means did the earth originally form and how long ago was that?"


"It was born out of Vishnu's navel."
 
2014-03-26 01:08:37 PM  

exick: factoryconnection: How the f*ck is church not enough church for these people?
Don't get the wrong impression. I think this bill is a disaster, but that particular portion seems silly and unnecessary.

From the actual bill, when referring to allowing students to express religious beliefs at graduation ceremonies and other speaking events, it says:
(3) Ensure that a student speaker does not engage in speech that
is obscene, vulgar, offensively lewd, indecent or promotes illegal drug
use
Oh hell no! You don't get to hide behind the First Amendment so you can get religion into the classroom and stomp on the First Amendment for other students just to make sure that no naughty words get said that might offend your delicate sensibilities. Fark you right in the farking ear.


I wonder if they could read some of the smuttier parts of the Bible and get away with it
 
2014-03-26 01:10:24 PM  

exick: You don't get to hide behind the First Amendment so you can get religion into the classroom and stomp on the First Amendment for other students just to make sure that no naughty words get said that might offend your delicate sensibilities.


Oh I wasn't seeing what you said as agreeing, I was just going to a different section from what  you'd said.  The fun part is that I see a possible coverage of non-Christian hate speech being labeled "vulgar" or "indecent," and thus the circle-jerk is complete.
 
2014-03-26 01:11:14 PM  

Blues_X: "It was born out of Vishnu's navel."


"Prove me wrong, beef eater!  Go ahead and prove me wrong!"
 
2014-03-26 01:15:59 PM  

factoryconnection: Kids will neither be rewarded nor punished for expressing religious beliefs, doctrines, nor condemnations?  Okay.
Teacher: "By what means did the earth originally form and how long ago was that?"
Student: "God did it at the beginning of the bible, about 6,000 years ago."
Teacher: "Zero points, but I respect you for exercising your rights."


I saw news piece about a Christian university which taught a class on geology.  The Professor was only allowed to refer to minerals/rocks as old, very old, very very old etc... etc...
 
2014-03-26 01:16:55 PM  

factoryconnection: Oh I wasn't seeing what you said as agreeing, I was just going to a different section from what you'd said. The fun part is that I see a possible coverage of non-Christian hate speech being labeled "vulgar" or "indecent," and thus the circle-jerk is complete.

I agree. I think if, let's say, an atheist valedictorian wanted to include a few sentences in her speech about her lack of religious belief, the whole state would revolt.
 
2014-03-26 01:25:59 PM  

exick: factoryconnection: Oh I wasn't seeing what you said as agreeing, I was just going to a different section from what you'd said. The fun part is that I see a possible coverage of non-Christian hate speech being labeled "vulgar" or "indecent," and thus the circle-jerk is complete.
I agree. I think if, let's say, an atheist valedictorian wanted to include a few sentences in her speech about her lack of religious belief, the whole state would revolt.


The salutatorian at my graduation was an atheist and was told that he wouldn't be allowed to speak if he didn't lead the opening prayer.  In a public school.

/why, yes, this was Tennessee, why do you ask?
 
2014-03-26 01:26:02 PM  

Somacandra: Bill Summary:   Only students in the highest two grade levels of the school and who hold one of the following positions of honor based on neutral criteria would be eligible to use the limited public forum:

(1) Student council officers;
(2) Class officers of the highest grade level in the school;
(3) Captains of the football team; and
(4) Other students holding positions of honor as the LEA may designate.

I can't exactly explain why this is hilarious and disturbing, but it is both hilarious and disturbing to me.


"Everything is different, but the same... things are more moderner than before... bigger, and yet smaller... it's computers... San Dimas High School football rules!"
 
2014-03-26 01:29:50 PM  

timujin: exick: factoryconnection: Oh I wasn't seeing what you said as agreeing, I was just going to a different section from what you'd said. The fun part is that I see a possible coverage of non-Christian hate speech being labeled "vulgar" or "indecent," and thus the circle-jerk is complete.
I agree. I think if, let's say, an atheist valedictorian wanted to include a few sentences in her speech about her lack of religious belief, the whole state would revolt.

The salutatorian at my graduation was an atheist and was told that he wouldn't be allowed to speak if he didn't lead the opening prayer.  In a public school.


"I know you have all been waiting for this moment. But first, I'd like to say a few prayers. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."

(hears the screaming begin)

"Amen."
 
2014-03-26 01:31:21 PM  
Morons.
 
2014-03-26 01:31:39 PM  
The 11th Commandment:

Keep thy religion to thyself.
 
2014-03-26 01:35:27 PM  
That is great news, since Im opening my public school Madrassa in Chattanooga. I already have plenty of young Talibs planning on attending!

We are going to operate under Sharia Law.
 
2014-03-26 01:35:27 PM  
Ok, well if they don't serve spaghetti and meatballs in the cafeteria, my rights are being restricted.
 
2014-03-26 01:36:20 PM  
I think they've lowered themselves to about a Fivenessee at this point
 
2014-03-26 01:43:22 PM  

timujin: The salutatorian at my graduation was an atheist and was told that he wouldn't be allowed to speak if he didn't lead the opening prayer. In a public school.


That is completely f*cked up.  I'd really like to hear from a devout Christian telling me that was somehow a good thing to do to that kid.  However, as I've always liked writing speeches for other people,

"Dear Christians' God, thank you for shepherding your flock through the rigors of this school, although you left many devout Christians with failing grades and broken hearts, and millions of Chinese somehow make it through such schooling yearly without any help from you, and know that we have done all of our works in your good name.  Especially the bullying, date rapes, sports concussions from flagrant fouls, sexist remarks towards teachers and fellow students, denigration of poor kids that can't afford LeBron's shoes for gym class, and study assignments that have us working furiously even on the sabbath.  I seriously thank you God for getting me the heck out of here and on to Vanderbilt."
 
2014-03-26 01:43:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they've lowered themselves to about a Fivenessee at this point


That was beautiful.
 
2014-03-26 01:44:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they've lowered themselves to about a Fivenessee at this point

To be fair, the average citizen from there has about as much mass as ten Nessies.
 
2014-03-26 01:47:06 PM  

timujin: The salutatorian at my graduation was an atheist and was told that he wouldn't be allowed to speak if he didn't lead the opening prayer.  In a public school.

/why, yes, this was Tennessee, why do you ask?


"Dear God, who exists in the fevered imaginations of these simple morons, bless this pointless ceremony filled with people with IQ's lower than the number of their teeth, and in Tennessee, that's saying something. Amen"
 
2014-03-26 01:52:31 PM  

Ennuipoet: timujin: The salutatorian at my graduation was an atheist and was told that he wouldn't be allowed to speak if he didn't lead the opening prayer.  In a public school.

/why, yes, this was Tennessee, why do you ask?

"Dear God, who exists in the fevered imaginations of these simple morons, bless this pointless ceremony filled with people with IQ's lower than the number of their teeth, and in Tennessee, that's saying something. Amen"


I believe there was also some stipulation in there where, since he'd already stated he didn't want to give the prayer, they insisted on vetting it and threatened to not give him his diploma if he farked it up.

Sadly, he turned out to be a rather bitter adult.  He was even a TFer for a long time, though only know for his shiat-and-split neocon/Objectivist trolling.  It wasn't trolling, really, as he believed the stuff he said.  He's gone now, Fark is "too liberal" for him.
 
2014-03-26 01:53:54 PM  

factoryconnection: Somacandra: Link to the TN General Assembly's published Bill Summary.

From the text: Under the model policy, the LEA would set a maximum time limit reasonable and appropriate to the occasion for each speaker to speak at a limited public forum. Only students in the highest two grade levels of the school and who hold one of the following positions of honor based on neutral criteria would be eligible to use the limited public forum:

(1) Student council officers;
(2) Class officers of the highest grade level in the school;
(3) Captains of the football team; and
(4) Other students holding positions of honor as the LEA may designate.

Why the f*ck would these guys need state-legislated, automatic designation over any other students as "positions of honor?"  Notice that students on the "distinguished honor roll" don't get a mention, just the guys that can execute a good, three-step drop.  "School: not for academics, f*ggot!"


I haven't read anything except some of the comments here, at this point, but I'll guess they intend for 'limited public forums' to be declared before every school day (student politicians) and in the locker room before games.  And when some parent complains about the prayers before basketball games, they'll add the basketball captains to the list.
 
2014-03-26 02:05:58 PM  

factoryconnection: exick: Mostly likely, if this law passes, a teacher is going to be forced to ignore the religious portion of the answer and realize there's nothing else there and give the answer a score of zero, which seems ok to me.

And that is totally fine.  The items that have me stymied are:
1. Full-on, no-repercussion proselytizing is green-lit in schools by students
2. Full-on, no-repercussion proselytizing is green-lit in schools by schools

How the f*ck is church not enough church for these people?


Man.  Church is just *practice*.  You wanna talk about practice?  Practice.  Not a game.  Not the game where I proselytize in public to people who disagree with me.  Not the game I live and die for.  Not a game.  Practice.  You wanna talk about practice.
 
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2014-03-26 02:06:00 PM  
I don't get what the hell everyone's problem is. You're free to be whatever kind of Christian you want to be in this country. That's what liberty's about. Stop trying to oppress my freedom.
 
2014-03-26 02:06:44 PM  
They should all be jailed for knowing violating the Constitution.  Nothing else will make them stop this shiat.
 
2014-03-26 02:06:59 PM  
They are a dying race. We should let them pass.
 
2014-03-26 02:07:02 PM  
This is small potatoes, DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT PETA WAS INDOCTRINATING OUT CHILDREN!@!!!!

This is simply, America being American.
 
2014-03-26 02:07:14 PM  
Legislators in Tennessee passed a law on Tuesday protecting the rights of religious students in the state's schools to discriminate against others so long as they are doing so for reasons of faith.

Striving to have the right to be dicks to others because of your faith.  Jesus would be sooo pleased with his flock.
 
2014-03-26 02:07:50 PM  
Okay, children, settle. Our lesson for today is "The Current Pope: The Anti-Christ Can Be Tricksy". And remember tomorrow is "Blame a Jew For Sumptin' Day".
 
2014-03-26 02:08:41 PM  

vernonFL: That is great news, since Im opening my public school Madrassa in Chattanooga. I already have plenty of young Talibs planning on attending!

We are going to operate under Sharia Law.


Will I have the right to behead infidels?  Cause I have rights, too!
 
2014-03-26 02:09:20 PM  
Another example of the ACLU trying to suppress freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  That comes as no surprise.
 
2014-03-26 02:10:17 PM  
Yes but what I want to know is, does this law make the poors scrub toilets for their free peanut butter sandwich that they didn't have to pay for because it's bought with money stolen from job creators because their parents don't care about them enough to buy a brown paper bag?
 
2014-03-26 02:10:55 PM  
All it would take is one kid going through a satanic phase and everyone would lose their shiat .
 
2014-03-26 02:11:08 PM  

Diogenes: Legislators in Tennessee passed a law on Tuesday protecting the rights of religious students in the state's schools to discriminate against others so long as they are doing so for reasons of faith.

Striving to have the right to be dicks to others because of your faith.  Jesus would be sooo pleased with his flock.


NTM the idea that children (in our public school system) are capable of making legitimate faith based reasons to justify their discriminate behavior.

who in the hell could possible come to that conclusion?
 
2014-03-26 02:12:13 PM  

SkinnyHead: Another example of the ACLU trying to suppress freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  That comes as no surprise.


Fine.  Threaten me because of your "faith" and you will meet my freedom to Stand My Ground.
 
2014-03-26 02:13:02 PM  
So students following the KKK's version of Christianity could get up in class and denounce black people as being inferior and potentially calling them all kinds of names and be protected because it's part of his/her religious beliefs?

I can't wait until some fundamentalist Muslim kid starts calling out Christian students as infidels in his art work projects.
 
2014-03-26 02:15:38 PM  
Guys, calm the fark down.  I got this.

There's an easy way to kill this bill.

Just let them know that there's Muslim students and teachers in Tennessee.
 
2014-03-26 02:16:11 PM  

SkinnyHead: Another example of the ACLU trying to suppress freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  That comes as no surprise.


Okay, that is not trying even for SkinnyHead. I am most disappointed.
 
2014-03-26 02:16:25 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they've lowered themselves to about a Fivenessee at this point


[slowclap.gif]

/but seriously, why do christians need "religious freedom"? "Love thy neighbor as thyself"? Idiots.
 
2014-03-26 02:16:41 PM  

Isitoveryet: Diogenes: Legislators in Tennessee passed a law on Tuesday protecting the rights of religious students in the state's schools to discriminate against others so long as they are doing so for reasons of faith.

Striving to have the right to be dicks to others because of your faith.  Jesus would be sooo pleased with his flock.

NTM the idea that children (in our public school system) are capable of making legitimate faith based reasons to justify their discriminate behavior.

who in the hell could possible come to that conclusion?


A practical, current example can be seen with that Buddhist student in Louisiana.

Granted, it was the teachers and administrators who were doing the bullying and discrimination in that case.  But what if the kids decided to join in?  Think they'd get punished or reprimanded in such an environment?  It's all in the name of Jesus so it's all good.
 
2014-03-26 02:18:20 PM  
Repealed the first time someone praises Allah.
 
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