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(Philly.com)   City of Philadelphia would love to stop throwing pot smokers in jail, but their police force is having too much fun to stop now   (philly.com) divider line 17
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2014-03-26 12:08:48 PM
Duh, none of the law enforcement people want to take a way their gravy train and statistic padding.
 
2014-03-26 12:48:02 PM

twistedmetal: Duh, none of the law enforcement people want to take a way their gravy train and statistic padding.


Since the proposed changes would only affect the administrative method by which pot smokers were criminally charged, it would have no affect on "the gravy train and statistic padding" that you speak of. Instead of physically placing a person in jail, the cop would just issue a summons to appear in court.

It would be much better if the entire country went the way of my state, Colorado.
 
2014-03-26 01:55:20 PM
Last time I checked, smoking pot was exactly as legal as running red lights in Philly.  That is to say, perfectly legal if you're white, and mostly legal otherwise.

Ain't nobody got time for that.

/Haven't been in about a year.
//YMMV
 
2014-03-26 01:57:10 PM
Do we really care anymore???
 
2014-03-26 02:09:02 PM
waste of your money

like any war
 
2014-03-26 02:09:25 PM
I have a few friends that are police officers in Philly and suburbs around Philly and all of them say they can't wait till pot is legal. They know its a waste of resources going after these people when bigger problems like heroin, meth, and cocaine are far worse and causing bigger issues. Their higher ups though think pot is the boogyman and a gateway drug.
 
2014-03-26 02:15:50 PM
Plus they use pot as a means to bust you for other things. Its tool for LEOs. Its a means to an end as much as its an end in itself.
 
2014-03-26 02:29:28 PM
If you want cops to stop busting people for pot, two things need to happen:

1. Make pot legal;

2. Stop the practice of promoting cops based on their raw arrest numbers.

Right now, in most departments, cops need to make lots of arrests to keep the brass happy. It doesn't matter to them who they arrest or why. Pot is easy; nearly everyone seems to have it (nobody is smart enough to leave it home), so they tack a misdemeanor pot charge onto a traffic ticket to boost their stats.

Change that policy; a lot of hassles would vanish.
 
2014-03-26 02:53:20 PM
This would involve somone in Philly having to read and write, which would be as difficult as asking them to build a time machine.
 
2014-03-26 02:59:21 PM
Pot smokers have jobs and can afford the fines.
 
2014-03-26 04:20:56 PM

eagles95: I have a few friends that are police officers in Philly and suburbs around Philly and all of them say they can't wait till pot is legal. They know its a waste of resources going after these people when bigger problems like heroin, meth, and cocaine are far worse and causing bigger issues. Their higher ups though think pot is the boogyman and a gateway drug.


My experience with the PPD is that if they have the choice between arresting a pot smoker and someone committing a more serious crime, they're going to go with the pot-smoker every time.  They like low-hanging fruit.
 
2014-03-26 04:26:24 PM

Gyrfalcon: If you want cops to stop busting people for pot, two things need to happen:

1. Make pot legal;

2. Stop the practice of promoting cops based on their raw arrest numbers.

Right now, in most departments, cops need to make lots of arrests to keep the brass happy. It doesn't matter to them who they arrest or why. Pot is easy; nearly everyone seems to have it (nobody is smart enough to leave it home), so they tack a misdemeanor pot charge onto a traffic ticket to boost their stats.

Change that policy; a lot of hassles would vanish.


Yeah, that will go over well with the union. Police Unions, or at least their leadership, are one of the biggest obstacles to legalization.
 
2014-03-26 04:47:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: 2. Stop the practice of promoting cops based on their raw arrest numbers.


Actually here in Philly (and probably in other major cities) the push is lower crime stats, so I'd imagine cops now get promoted for low arrest numbers.

I've had several cops either try to talk me out of reporting a crime, tell me that they couldn't report the crime, or tell me if I did demand to report it, that they were cite me, too.

/dislike the PPD
 
2014-03-26 11:13:19 PM

Gyrfalcon: 2. Stop the practice of promoting cops based on their raw arrest numbers.


I know of no police agency that promotes based on arrest numbers. Most agencies have competitive testing that includes a written test and some kind of interview or assessment procedure.

The only place arrest statistics might help is if a cop is trying to get a lateral assignment, like to the narcotics bureau.
 
2014-03-27 12:13:40 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Gyrfalcon: If you want cops to stop busting people for pot, two things need to happen:

1. Make pot legal;

2. Stop the practice of promoting cops based on their raw arrest numbers.

Right now, in most departments, cops need to make lots of arrests to keep the brass happy. It doesn't matter to them who they arrest or why. Pot is easy; nearly everyone seems to have it (nobody is smart enough to leave it home), so they tack a misdemeanor pot charge onto a traffic ticket to boost their stats.

Change that policy; a lot of hassles would vanish.

Yeah, that will go over well with the union. Police Unions, or at least their leadership, are one of the biggest obstacles to legalization.


Hell, here in Florida, the State Patrol Union is biatching about Luthor's plan to tie bonuses to contacts. Lex wants a Minimum quota of 3 contacts/tickets( Actually wants 4) per hour per shift to get the bonus.
 
2014-03-27 01:10:28 AM

CruiserTwelve: Gyrfalcon: 2. Stop the practice of promoting cops based on their raw arrest numbers.

I know of no police agency that promotes based on arrest numbers. Most agencies have competitive testing that includes a written test and some kind of interview or assessment procedure.

The only place arrest statistics might help is if a cop is trying to get a lateral assignment, like to the narcotics bureau.


I was typing on my phone, so I couldn't go into detail. But you know as well as I do (or better) that a new officer gets no props from his watch commander for being a good officer who relates well with the people on his beat and communicates effectively with the criminal element: He gets props for hauling in lots of bad guys to lock up. And nobody gets recommended for the test or passes the interview who hasn't earned the good word from the desk sergeants and watch captains because they're such go-getters (read: they bust a lot of bad guys).

There may be individual departments where things are different; but by and large, agencies want measurable results, which means how many tickets got written, how many misdemeanants and felons got hauled in; not how many people felt good about their interactions with the beat officer at the end of shift. And even where they pretend to want more "contacts"--how do you think they're going to make those contacts? By making traffic stops and Terry stops. And that's not going to make anyone any happier.
 
2014-03-27 04:22:29 AM

Gyrfalcon: And nobody gets recommended for the test or passes the interview who hasn't earned the good word from the desk sergeants and watch captains because they're such go-getters (read: they bust a lot of bad guys).


I work for an agency that has civil service. You don't need to be recommended for a promotional test, you just have to meet the requirements of the position being sought. The testing process doesn't include a statistical history, nor does it even allow any input from supervisors or administrators. It doesn't matter if you made a million arrests or one. In fact, if you look at some of the higher ranking people you'll find they were slugs when they were street cops - they knew that making lots of stops and arrests just increased their chances of getting in trouble, and discipline IS one of the things that can affect promotion.

by and large, agencies want measurable results, which means how many tickets got written, how many misdemeanants and felons got hauled in; not how many people felt good about their interactions with the beat officer at the end of shift.

This is often true depending on the shift lieutenant or district commander. Lots of administrators are "stat conscious" because that's the lazy way to do their job. Instead of getting to know the cops that work for them, they look at monthly stats. No cop respects an administrator that had a reputation for being a do-nothing as a cop but now expects his cops to put up numbers to make him look good.

In my mind a good cop will naturally make a decent number of arrests, but they'll be good arrests. That's because good cops interact positively with the public and learn who the real bad guys are and make arrests that actually have an affect on crime and quality of life.

You ever want to see a revolt, go to a shift briefing as a supervisor and tell the cops that the new district commander wants X number of tickets a month. Even if the number is low, cops hate quotas. My recent commander wanted two traffic tickets a month which any cop could do standing on his head, but he got such a pushback that he was forced to rescind that expectation. The funny thing is, I worked with the commander when he was a street cop and he was a great cop that wrote lots of good tickets and made good arrests. He was just tired, as I am, of cops that went month after month without making any arrests or writing any tickets. There are ways to deal with those people though without setting quotas. He learned that the hard way.
 
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