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(Slate)   Evangelicals didn't used to care much about abortion and contraception. Then Jerry Falwell came on the scene   (slate.com) divider line 51
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2014-03-26 12:10:50 PM  
Hobby Lobby claims that certain forms of birth control-Plan B, "ella," and IUDs-induce abortion and therefore go against the owners' religious beliefs.
The government's response is that none of these contraceptives ends a pregnancy. Rather, they prevent implantation in the uterine lining.


Is that actually the game the government is trying to play here?  Arguing over semantics of the word "abortion" and "pregnancy"?  Because you're not technically pregnant until the embryo has implanted in your uterus, so you can't technically abort a pregnancy that hasn't started yet?

It's pretty dishonest to say that ending the pregnancy ending is the issue, not ending the life of a (presumed) person.  Pro-lifers believe the embryo is a person even before it has implanted in your uterus.
 
I mean, it's perfectly fair to say that the "birth control prevents implantation" argument is BS and the people making it haven't done their homework to prove their case, but shifting to an argument over semantics is just dumb.
 
2014-03-26 12:19:45 PM  

serial_crusher: Hobby Lobby claims that certain forms of birth control-Plan B, "ella," and IUDs-induce abortion and therefore go against the owners' religious beliefs.
The government's response is that none of these contraceptives ends a pregnancy. Rather, they prevent implantation in the uterine lining.

Is that actually the game the government is trying to play here?  Arguing over semantics of the word "abortion" and "pregnancy"?  Because you're not technically pregnant until the embryo has implanted in your uterus, so you can't technically abort a pregnancy that hasn't started yet?

It's pretty dishonest to say that ending the pregnancy ending is the issue, not ending the life of a (presumed) person.  Pro-lifers believe the embryo is a person even before it has implanted in your uterus.
 
I mean, it's perfectly fair to say that the "birth control prevents implantation" argument is BS and the people making it haven't done their homework to prove their case, but shifting to an argument over semantics is just dumb.


It prevents implantation before the egg is fertilized, therefore not an embryo.

Here's a helpful comic that explains the process May be NSFW.

This is also why you shouldn't let some guy who owns a craft store make medical decisions for you.
 
2014-03-26 12:32:24 PM  

James!: serial_crusher: Hobby Lobby claims that certain forms of birth control-Plan B, "ella," and IUDs-induce abortion and therefore go against the owners' religious beliefs.
The government's response is that none of these contraceptives ends a pregnancy. Rather, they prevent implantation in the uterine lining.

Is that actually the game the government is trying to play here?  Arguing over semantics of the word "abortion" and "pregnancy"?  Because you're not technically pregnant until the embryo has implanted in your uterus, so you can't technically abort a pregnancy that hasn't started yet?

It's pretty dishonest to say that ending the pregnancy ending is the issue, not ending the life of a (presumed) person.  Pro-lifers believe the embryo is a person even before it has implanted in your uterus.
 
I mean, it's perfectly fair to say that the "birth control prevents implantation" argument is BS and the people making it haven't done their homework to prove their case, but shifting to an argument over semantics is just dumb.

It prevents implantation before the egg is fertilized, therefore not an embryo.

Here's a helpful comic that explains the process May be NSFW.

This is also why you shouldn't let some guy who owns a craft store make medical decisions for you.


Some folks will argue that preventing ovulation is immoral because you're tinkering with God's plan or whatever (but are strangely inconsistent when it comes to the rhythm method or making a conscious decision not to have premarital sex).  But that's different than the argument that it's equivalent to abortion.

The argument I've always heard there is that in some rare cases ovulation might still occur, and when it does, so does fertilization, so there's a baby swimming around your uterus looking for some warm uteran lining to snuggle up to, but the pill has made your uteran lining all slippery, so bye bye baby.

Again, they don't offer any credible science to back it up, but that's the claim they're making.
 
2014-03-26 12:37:31 PM  

serial_crusher: Again, they don't offer any credible science to back it up, but that's the claim they're making.


Which is why they should stick to selling glue guns and let doctors worry about doctor shiat.
 
2014-03-26 12:41:09 PM  
This was an interesting read. I feel it might have been more interesting had the author included more examples of the way evangelical Protestantism has been re-shaped in the past few decades to become more in line with Conservative thinking

This isn't anything new; religion is always shaped by culture - just look at the evolution of Christianity itself as it spread to areas with other dominant religions - holidays were co-opted so that any celebration on that day would be seen as a celebration of the new religion, etc.

Today, you can definitely see the shaping as Southern evangelicals, whose grandparents voted for Democrats that began such huge public works projects as the TVA, which drastically helped improve the quality of life in the South, to now voting against any and all government expenditures, and seeing government as an obstacle to their free exercise of religion.

The fact that no rational reading of the stories of Jesus in the Bible would ever lead one to believe that he would support the current Republican platform is irrelevant; the Bible itself is vague enough to rationalize any policy position given enough mental gymnastics. Religious people on the whole tend to look for leaders; if those leaders are able to rationalize their positions from a religious perspective, the positions begin to become mainstream and eventually dogma.
 
2014-03-26 01:48:52 PM  
Well he's dead now, so can we just drop all of this? Must we again establish the supremacy of man's laws over god's? I'm starting to feel bad for him.
 
2014-03-26 01:50:51 PM  
Well, as long as he didn't come in the scene, it's all good.
 
2014-03-26 02:01:19 PM  
My boss has no business in my uterus. Unless he's my pimp, and even then he's paying to be there.
 
2014-03-26 02:05:36 PM  
Yeah... Pepperidge Farm remembers when being anti-contraception uber-anti-abortion was sorta a Catholic distinctive and, pretty much because it was a Catholic thing, evangelical Protestants stayed away from it.

It's hard to fully say, but I'm not sure the Protestant-right would have gotten so best-buddy with the Catholics (and recently the Mormons) if they weren't in a continually-weakening position in the culture.
 
2014-03-26 02:06:26 PM  
Religion: How to defend an opinion that's indefensible otherwise.

Q: Why don't scientists ever invoke God to explain why they're right?
A: They don't need to.
 
2014-03-26 02:07:25 PM  
But I want to believe what I'm told to believe because someone told me that God said so and call that virtuous so that I can feel good about myself and increasingly bad about others as their difference from me increases.  'Cause that's what being a good Christian's all about!
 
2014-03-26 02:08:18 PM  
Soooooo I guess you could say their view evolved?
 
2014-03-26 02:10:38 PM  
Christian Evangelicals:  "But we've always been at war with Eurasia!   Always have, always will!  Double-plus good!!!"
 
2014-03-26 02:11:02 PM  
Idiot author was not around 50 years ago.

50 years ago, conservative Christians were opposed to killing unborn even in case of rape. They didn't say anything about it then because it wasn't an option until 1973.
 
2014-03-26 02:18:17 PM  

edlmco: Idiot author was not around 50 years ago.

50 years ago, conservative Christians were opposed to killing unborn even in case of rape. They didn't say anything about it then because it wasn't an option until 1973.


30 odd years ago they considered in-vitro babies unnatural with no souls.

/just sayin
 
2014-03-26 02:24:56 PM  
Funny how the eternal, consistent will of God on the subject of morality, continuously evolves to fit into the mode of however the modern world feels about the subject.

There is actually a passage of the bible, in the law of Moses, that talks about the use of a common ancient plant, whose toxin was used to cause miscarriages, and God endorses its use in cases of adultery, or just whenever the father suspects that his wife might have gotten pregnant by someone else.  You know why we don't have this plant today?  Because the ancient people, both in Israel and in Rome used that plants seeds (which contained the toxin) in such numbers, that the plant went extinct.
 
2014-03-26 02:26:31 PM  

indy_kid: Christian Evangelicals:  "But we've always been at war with Eurasia!   Always have, always will!  Double-plus good!!!"


1984 isn't an instruction manual. For legs good, two legs bad. Spongebob and Tinky-Winky were always queer.
 
2014-03-26 02:27:31 PM  

serial_crusher: , so there's a baby swimming around your uterus looking for some warm uteran lining to snuggle up to, but the pill has made your uteran lining all slippery, so bye bye baby.


That happens frequently without medicine.
 
2014-03-26 02:28:18 PM  
The funny thing is my parents ended up leaving the Catholic Church because of it's views on Birth Control. It used to only be a Catholic thing to avoid BC, now evangelical Christians have co-opted it while Catholic women just quietly rebel.

Quite frankly, the whole switch is because of racism.

See neo-cons assume that a black women will never use BC and abortion services because they are all welfare queens. It's only white co-eds and working wives that will ever use these services, so white people are basically reducing their population while the brown one is booming.

There is a fear that white people will "disappear" and it would be an end of the world. Don't believe me, Pat Buchanan wrote a book about it.  http://www.amazon.com/The-Death-West-Populations-Civilization/dp/0312 3 02592

The funny thing is, statistically speaking, brown women are far more like to get an abortion.

Why do you think the south switched from democrat to republican during the same time period?

It's also the reason why the neo-con movement has been able to survive despite evangelicals being a relatively small minority.

/Raised neo-con
//No seriously, this is what they believe
///Read linked book
 
2014-03-26 02:33:49 PM  
I dunno. When I was a surgical tech putting myself through university, our Saturday schedule was heavy with D&Cs. Lots of girls my age getting a D&C. When I understood a Saturday Schedule D&C was a euphemism for abortion, I was conflicted. After a while watching fetus hoovered out got to be too much. No matter what your religious convictions you cannot remain human and stand there watching a fetus being ripped into pieces by a vacuum pump and remain neutral. That was before I  ever heard about Jerry Fartwell.
 
2014-03-26 02:42:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: My boss has no business in my uterus. Unless he's my pimp, and even then he's paying to be there.


If he's your pimp, you've got it backwards.
 
2014-03-26 02:45:30 PM  
Thats because Jerry Falwell  knew where the money was.
 
2014-03-26 02:46:56 PM  
where participants agreed to disagree over the "sinfulness" of an "induced abortion," but agreed about "the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances," namely, rape and incest.

FARKING HYPOCRITES!
Either abortion is always murder or never murder.
How the conception took place or who the father is is completely irrelevant.

ASSHATS
 
2014-03-26 02:47:53 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Funny how the eternal, consistent will of God on the subject of morality, continuously evolves to fit into the mode of however the modern world feels about the subject.

There is actually a passage of the bible, in the law of Moses, that talks about the use of a common ancient plant, whose toxin was used to cause miscarriages, and God endorses its use in cases of adultery, or just whenever the father suspects that his wife might have gotten pregnant by someone else.  You know why we don't have this plant today?  Because the ancient people, both in Israel and in Rome used that plants seeds (which contained the toxin) in such numbers, that the plant went extinct.


There are plenty of other plants, (ex: Tansy flower) that can be gotten in liquid form. No prescription, religion, political or other interference needed.
 
2014-03-26 02:48:37 PM  
Fallwell proved that death isn't always a bad thing..... When he died.  And I haven't been raped by a single Teletubbie.
 
2014-03-26 02:48:47 PM  

James!: serial_crusher: Hobby Lobby claims that certain forms of birth control-Plan B, "ella," and IUDs-induce abortion and therefore go against the owners' religious beliefs.
The government's response is that none of these contraceptives ends a pregnancy. Rather, they prevent implantation in the uterine lining.

Is that actually the game the government is trying to play here?  Arguing over semantics of the word "abortion" and "pregnancy"?  Because you're not technically pregnant until the embryo has implanted in your uterus, so you can't technically abort a pregnancy that hasn't started yet?

It's pretty dishonest to say that ending the pregnancy ending is the issue, not ending the life of a (presumed) person.  Pro-lifers believe the embryo is a person even before it has implanted in your uterus.
 
I mean, it's perfectly fair to say that the "birth control prevents implantation" argument is BS and the people making it haven't done their homework to prove their case, but shifting to an argument over semantics is just dumb.

It prevents implantation before the egg is fertilized, therefore not an embryo.

Here's a helpful comic that explains the process May be NSFW.

This is also why you shouldn't let some guy who owns a craft store make medical decisions for you.


Those have got to be the most unattractive women that I have ever seen rendered into cartoon form... I mean, the message and cool and all, but those chicks look like they couldn't get laid in a rug factory.
 
2014-03-26 02:51:00 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Funny how the eternal, consistent will of God on the subject of morality, continuously evolves to fit into the mode of however the modern world feels about the subject.

There is actually a passage of the bible, in the law of Moses, that talks about the use of a common ancient plant, whose toxin was used to cause miscarriages, and God endorses its use in cases of adultery, or just whenever the father suspects that his wife might have gotten pregnant by someone else.  You know why we don't have this plant today?  Because the ancient people, both in Israel and in Rome used that plants seeds (which contained the toxin) in such numbers, that the plant went extinct.


REALLY?
what plant?
 
2014-03-26 02:51:59 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: I dunno. When I was a surgical tech putting myself through university, our Saturday schedule was heavy with D&Cs. Lots of girls my age getting a D&C. When I understood a Saturday Schedule D&C was a euphemism for abortion, I was conflicted. After a while watching fetus hoovered out got to be too much. No matter what your religious convictions you cannot remain human and stand there watching a fetus being ripped into pieces by a vacuum pump and remain neutral. That was before I  ever heard about Jerry Fartwell.


On the converse side of that, my grandmother worked in a hospital in Newark before 1972 and saw young girls hemorrhaging from back-alley abortions on a near-daily basis.  Which is why she always stayed pro-choice even as she got very, very conservative later in life.

We're getting to the point where a whole lot of people don't remember times before Roe.
 
2014-03-26 02:52:40 PM  

edlmco: Idiot author was not around 50 years ago.

50 years ago, conservative Christians were opposed to killing unborn even in case of rape. They didn't say anything about it then because it wasn't an option until 1973.


In his book Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics, Jonathan Dudley notes that most evangelicals held far more liberal views at the time. "God does not regard the fetus as a soul no matter how far gestation has progressed," wrote professor Bruce Waltke of Dallas Theological Seminary in a 1968 issue of Christianity Today on contraception and abortion, edited by Harold Lindsell, a then-famous champion of biblical "inerrancy." His argument rested on the Hebrew Bible, "[A]ccording to Exodus 21:22-24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense. ... Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul."
This position was reaffirmed at a symposium sponsored by Christianity Today and the Christian Medical & Dental Associations, where participants agreed to disagree over the "sinfulness" of an "induced abortion," but agreed about "the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances," namely, rape and incest. The document produced by the conference, "A Protestant Affirmation on the Control of Human Reproduction," said, "The prevention of conception is not in itself forbidden or sinful providing the reasons for it are in harmony with the total revelation of God for married life" and that the "method of preventing pregnancy is not so much a religious as a scientific and medical question to be determined in consultation with one's physician."


I guess you're technically right, since 50 years ago was 1964, and this is from 1968.
 
2014-03-26 02:53:07 PM  
Hmm, why would God create plants that can cause abortions?
 
2014-03-26 02:54:18 PM  

edlmco: Idiot author was not around 50 years ago.

50 years ago, conservative Christians were opposed to killing unborn even in case of rape. They didn't say anything about it then because it wasn't an option until 1973.


I was thinking this.
Strangely enough, legalize abortion just made it safe and legal for poor and minorities.
Before that, it was private thing between the patient and the doctor.
How many D&Cs in a doctors office were NEVER recorded as an abortion?? Most?
 
2014-03-26 02:56:22 PM  
No true rotting corpse would disagree with Rotting Corpse Jerry Falwell.

Whatever he had to agree to pay in settlement for his vicious blaming of homosexuals and other "deviants" for the 9-11 attacks (a few days after they happened) it wasn't enough.

If you combine "shibboleth" with "litmus test" you get Jerry Falwell's political technique. Once you get people to utter your sick version of the Apostle's Creed, then you make your followers believe they are persecuted.

I hope Koresh and Falwell and Jim Jones are Satan's favorite cornholes now.

/You can use Satan's Favorite Cornholes as a band name but I expect a very limber and very talented groupie to visit me in the rest home once in a while
/the three of those guys on an album cover would be awesome
 
2014-03-26 03:03:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: in establish the


There is a verse in the bible that supports this theory, unfortunately they don't read that part.
 
2014-03-26 03:04:37 PM  
They don't really give a shiat about either of them, they've just been told to act like it by their Republican party leaders:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/01/10/memory-vs-hobby- lo bby-evangelicals-and-contraception-and-why-denny-burk-is-not-a-conserv ative/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/10/29/revisionist-memo ry -white-evangelicals-have-always-been-at-war-with-abortion/

The abortion bullshiat was about making Catholics into Republican voters. I assume the birth control bullshiat is more of the same, with a big heap of Obama hating tossed in.
 
2014-03-26 03:13:25 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: They don't really give a shiat about either of them, they've just been told to act like it by their Republican party leaders:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/01/10/memory-vs-hobby- lo bby-evangelicals-and-contraception-and-why-denny-burk-is-not-a-conserv ative/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/10/29/revisionist-memo ry -white-evangelicals-have-always-been-at-war-with-abortion/

The abortion bullshiat was about making Catholics into Republican voters.


And, more importantly, into Supreme Court justices. Who serve for life on the court but can be damned to hell by the Pope if they vote the wrong way on abortion.

And don't believe for a second Catholic bishops in this country haven't called for excommunication or denial of communion for candidates and elected officials simply because their stance on issues doesn't agree with the bishop in question.
 
2014-03-26 03:18:25 PM  

namatad: edlmco: Idiot author was not around 50 years ago.

50 years ago, conservative Christians were opposed to killing unborn even in case of rape. They didn't say anything about it then because it wasn't an option until 1973.

I was thinking this.
Strangely enough, legalize abortion just made it safe and legal for poor and minorities.
Before that, it was private thing between the patient and the doctor.
How many D&Cs in a doctors office were NEVER recorded as an abortion?? Most?


A lot of them were recorded as "curing an irregular menstrual cycle" or "improving flow".
 
2014-03-26 03:19:16 PM  
So, you're saying that religious people with ambitions purposely create schisms in dogma in order to rip a congregation apart and become its new leader? Fascinating concept, that.
 
2014-03-26 03:21:50 PM  
serial_crusher: "Is that actually the game the government is trying to play here?"

I don't know if that's the actual approach in this case, but it's a pretty straightforward lawyer strategy.
It's not unlike pursing a few charges at a time, when dealing with a multiple-offender.
They're leaving themselves options, should they screw up, or the decision not go their way.

Because no-one thinks this one case, even if SCOTUS decides against the fundamentalists, will be the end of it.
 
2014-03-26 03:31:56 PM  

Mikey1969: James!: serial_crusher: Hobby Lobby claims that certain forms of birth control-Plan B, "ella," and IUDs-induce abortion and therefore go against the owners' religious beliefs.
The government's response is that none of these contraceptives ends a pregnancy. Rather, they prevent implantation in the uterine lining.

Is that actually the game the government is trying to play here?  Arguing over semantics of the word "abortion" and "pregnancy"?  Because you're not technically pregnant until the embryo has implanted in your uterus, so you can't technically abort a pregnancy that hasn't started yet?

It's pretty dishonest to say that ending the pregnancy ending is the issue, not ending the life of a (presumed) person.  Pro-lifers believe the embryo is a person even before it has implanted in your uterus.
 
I mean, it's perfectly fair to say that the "birth control prevents implantation" argument is BS and the people making it haven't done their homework to prove their case, but shifting to an argument over semantics is just dumb.

It prevents implantation before the egg is fertilized, therefore not an embryo.

Here's a helpful comic that explains the process May be NSFW.

This is also why you shouldn't let some guy who owns a craft store make medical decisions for you.

Those have got to be the most unattractive women that I have ever seen rendered into cartoon form... I mean, the message and cool and all, but those chicks look like they couldn't get laid in a rug factory.


shrug, they're probably above average for feminists.

/ why does a cartoon about contraception have two women in it?  This really isn't a problem lesbians have to worry about...
 
2014-03-26 03:32:16 PM  

namatad: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Funny how the eternal, consistent will of God on the subject of morality, continuously evolves to fit into the mode of however the modern world feels about the subject.

There is actually a passage of the bible, in the law of Moses, that talks about the use of a common ancient plant, whose toxin was used to cause miscarriages, and God endorses its use in cases of adultery, or just whenever the father suspects that his wife might have gotten pregnant by someone else.  You know why we don't have this plant today?  Because the ancient people, both in Israel and in Rome used that plants seeds (which contained the toxin) in such numbers, that the plant went extinct.

REALLY?
what plant?


I'm guessing Silphium. The exact plant species is a bit uncertain. Used to be a valuable trade good.
 
2014-03-26 03:36:10 PM  
And this turn of the GOP against Abortion and Contraception has little to do with a net increase in Falwell's political power.
The real cause is that many moderate Republicans have been shouted-out or kicked-out of the GOP for failing one policy-purity-test or another over the last 20-some years of radicalization.

Falwell, et al are just the benefactors of increased *relative* power, over a shrinking GOP.
 
2014-03-26 03:53:19 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Smelly Pirate Hooker: They don't really give a shiat about either of them, they've just been told to act like it by their Republican party leaders:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/01/10/memory-vs-hobby- lo bby-evangelicals-and-contraception-and-why-denny-burk-is-not-a-conserv ative/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/10/29/revisionist-memo ry -white-evangelicals-have-always-been-at-war-with-abortion/

The abortion bullshiat was about making Catholics into Republican voters.

And, more importantly, into Supreme Court justices. Who serve for life on the court but can be damned to hell by the Pope if they vote the wrong way on abortion.

And don't believe for a second Catholic bishops in this country haven't called for excommunication or denial of communion for candidates and elected officials simply because their stance on issues doesn't agree with the bishop in question.


That's why Romney should have been elected President and all 9 Supreme Court Justices.
 
2014-03-26 03:55:40 PM  

inglixthemad: 30 odd years ago they considered in-vitro babies unnatural with no souls.


That's just crazy.

Everyone knows, it's gingers that don't have souls.
 
2014-03-26 04:07:49 PM  

namatad: where participants agreed to disagree over the "sinfulness" of an "induced abortion," but agreed about "the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances," namely, rape and incest.

FARKING HYPOCRITES!
Either abortion is always murder or never murder.
How the conception took place or who the father is is completely irrelevant.

ASSHATS


So, does that logic apply to all homicides?  Like if somebody was trying to kill me, so I killed him to stop him, that would be a murder too?
If there can be extenuating circumstances for killing adults, why can't there also be extenuating circumstances for killing fetuses?

/ The "abortion is murder" slogan is obviously inaccurate, but come-on.
 
2014-03-26 04:33:15 PM  
It looks like less credit/blame seems due to Falwell than Pressler and Patterson.
 
2014-03-26 04:45:18 PM  
When my evangelical church tried to hand out condoms, people wouldn't take them.  They saw them and said "WTF!"  Even when we explained that the county health department had asked us to hand them out, they still wouldn't take them from us.
 
2014-03-26 05:17:45 PM  
When it comes to Jerry Falwell, I think Chris Hitchens said it best:

i28.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-26 07:05:28 PM  

abb3w: It looks like less credit/blame seems due to Falwell than Pressler and Patterson.


This.

Pretty much the true hardcore of the dominionist movement (the NARasites and their progenitors in the Latter Rain movement) have ALWAYS had quite a bit of an antiwoman streak; what the article doesn't note between 1968 and today is the fact that the SBC was--at least in the sixties through the mid-80s or so--a relatively mainline Christian denomination.

That is, until its complete and utter steeplejacking by dominionists (largely Christian Reconstructionists aided and abbeted by NARasites linked to--of all things--the neopentecostal movement) in the late 80s to early 90s.

Which is also a period of time where attacks against a lot of OTHER mainline Christian denominations started from within--the Southern Baptist steeplejacking was planned as early as pre-Roe v. Wade and finally reached a critical mass around 1988 or so, and the exact same tactic was used later in just about every mainline Christian denomination to the right of Unitarianism through the IRD and the heavy promotion of "cell church" and "small groups" lay ministries that just happened to have connections to neopentecostal "independent churches" (which tended to actually be linked to Assemblies of God, Foursquare, or Vineyard) if one actually took the time to farking look...and sadly, few did until their denominations were literally splitting from under them.

(And yes, they hit the Catholics about a decade beforehand--and there have been continuing attacks on the Church of England by the same parties in waves from about the mid-sixties onward.  Hell, even in the 2000s they've tried to infiltrate Unitarian Universalist and Quaker congregations in the Southeast--the Quakers with a wee bit more success (in that there are now "Evangelical Quakers" which resemble neopentes more than actual Friends) and with far less success and far more lulz in the case of the UU.)

Seriously, folks, if you want an idea of HOW the Southern Baptists went a full 180 between the sixties and the nineties, pick up a copy of John Dorhauer's "Steeplejacking"--he documents the spiritual successor to the successful attempt to take over the SBC, the Institute for Religion and Democracy (which pretty much planned steeplejacks of every other mainline denomination in the US in the same way that the SBC was the target of a hostile takeover by dominionists).

/why yes, this IS one of my professional research subjects--though in my case I have covered more of the NAR/neopente angle of things
//other folks have done admirably on covering how Christian Reconstructionism was involved as well, so no need to repeat what has been done there
 
2014-03-26 07:55:16 PM  
Is there anything Jerry Falwell didn't fark up?
 
2014-03-26 10:01:00 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: until its complete and utter steeplejacking by dominionists


Which wasn't terribly hard when the vast majority of moderate-to-liberal people born after 1965 went "you know, I can just sleep in on Sunday, save some cash, and not get volunteered for any random committees".

Great Porn Dragon: far more lulz in the case of the UU


I can only imagine...
 
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