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2014-03-26 01:19:58 PM  
Just like how Mao Tse-tung got a meeting with Nixon by using a different spelling of his name: Mao Zedong. Also by leading Nixon to believe that he was in Beijing, when in fact he was really in Peking.

CURSE YOU PINYIN!
 
2014-03-26 01:26:06 PM  

waterrockets: I'm in defense software, and have been beating this drum for years. Finally, we're starting to get some international sales, and guess what problem is biting us in the ass?


The backdoors you built in for the NSA?
 
2014-03-26 01:28:14 PM  

zimbomba63: Ned Stark: zimbomba63: JohnBigBootay: TheShavingofOccam123: JohnBigBootay: kindms: Um. I think the biggest question is why on a single day there are over 100 people on some kind of HOT LIST passing in and out of JFK airport. So many it seems that a real threat was able to pass by simply because there were so many.

Who and what are on that list ? that is a busy airport sure but a single day and there are 99+ more nasty people or whatever on the list ?

You can thank the US intelligence communities 'let's make a list and throw money at it' management style. They have over 20k people on the no-fly list and a half million on the terrorism watch list... rendering both lists largely useless.


Including the names of US combat veterans who have converted to Islam. Fighting for the country is okay, worshiping in a different faith is a problem.

It's maddening. What we have is a target rich environment. We set up this leviathan idiotic infrastructure around air travel so the next target will be a barge into a bridge at rush hour, an oil platform, gasoline tanker, or a suicide moron at the mall. We're doing it the wrong way. And ineffectively at that.

Obviously, you've studied this out, so, the solution is.....?

Dismantle the ineffective and invasive security state and just make peace with taking one one the chin now and again.

So attempting to protect your self causes criminal activity and being assaulted, robbed, etc. should be considered just "life in the big city", is that what you're saying?  And then, eventually, they will get tired of occasionally punching us in the face or it just won't be fun anymore for them, huh?  This is novel idea!


Were talking about the day to day operation of a state comprised of many millions of individuals not a "self", this particular branch of the conversation is about responses not causes, street crime is not at all of the same character as political violence, and no one claimed that anything would stop be it from boredom or otherwise.

But besides all that, sick burn. I'm really feeling the bite.
 
2014-03-26 01:46:45 PM  
But it's very important that we build exabyte-scale data centers to store my phone and Internet records. Amirite, NSA?
 
2014-03-26 01:49:02 PM  
Also, today's word of the day is Soundex .  Can you big-shot IT pros at the FBI say "Soundex"?  I knew you could!
 
2014-03-26 01:51:09 PM  

zimbomba63: So attempting to protect your self causes criminal activity and being assaulted, robbed, etc. should be considered just "life in the big city", is that what you're saying?  And then, eventually, they will get tired of occasionally punching us in the face or it just won't be fun anymore for them, huh?  This is novel idea!


Yes.  Run the numbers.  You can pay for a lot of planes and buildings if you skip a trillion dollar war now and again, and the body count will be lower too.
 
2014-03-26 02:22:43 PM  

Esn: Many of the Cyrillic letters are the same as the Latin ones, anyway.


And many Cyrillic letters look like Latin letters, but aren't.

C, H, P, Y, for starters. No chance for mistakes there...
 
2014-03-26 02:27:04 PM  

kindms: Um. I think the biggest question is why on a single day there are over 100 people on some kind of HOT LIST passing in and out of JFK airport. So many it seems that a real threat was able to pass by simply because there were so many.

Who and what are on that list ? that is a busy airport sure but a single day and there are 99+ more nasty people or whatever on the list ?


That is part of the problem.  Any one of them could have been a potential problem, but the vast majority probably wouldn't be.

So you'll exclude a whole bunch of people because of guilt by association, on the off chance you'll keep someone actually intent on doing harm out, but the system ain't perfect *AND* it relies on reporting by governments that are less than 100% trustworthy, both politically and data-wise.
 
2014-03-26 02:34:08 PM  

Overfiend: Dont computers searching the list of 500K names kind of make your point moot? (Spelling errors aside)


You tell me: Seems like the guy was on a giant list. Seems like someone warned us specifically about a guy who was on our giant list. Then it seems like that guy killed a bunch of people despite the list and the warning.

Conclusion: the list is worth fark-all because there's so goddam many people on it and so many warnings are issued that even a trillion dollar security apparatus with thousands of operatives couldn't even begin to act on investigating all of them.

We could most certainly use a computer to look up his name real fast though. In fact, it sounds like his name was looked up on several occasions. Even investigated the guy. Then he and his little brother put some nails in a pressure cooker and blew up a parade.
 
2014-03-26 02:35:15 PM  
Expecting the "intelligence" community to ever prevent any attack is like expecting TSA to provide real airline security.

Folks, it is just not the job you were told they perform.
 
2014-03-26 02:48:54 PM  

DeaH: dittybopper: Standardize the transliteration from Cyrillic to Latin alphabets.  Pick a standard, and stick to that standard.
 
Exactly my thought. But, even if this happened, it wouldn't help the part about the wrong Date of Birth. According the the FTA, the information change came from Russian officials. Ours was correct; there's included a different spelling of the name and in incorrect birth date.


The data issue doesn't surprise me one bit.  Twice a year for my job I need clearance from either TSA/MSP/Massport (blanking on who specifically does it right at the moment) to work behind the gates at Logan.  In three years I think they've got my info right once.  Either it's misspelling my last name (even when it's *typed* into the system!) or mis-entering my DOB.  Either way it's been nothing but a giant pain in the ass every time I've gone there.  So to hear that there's problems with that sort of thing in the system in my state? Zero surprise.
 
2014-03-26 03:48:07 PM  

try fect taa daa: gonna change my name to "united stated official."

How 'bout "Osama BEN Laden?"

 
2014-03-26 04:03:17 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: zimbomba63: So attempting to protect your self causes criminal activity and being assaulted, robbed, etc. should be considered just "life in the big city", is that what you're saying?  And then, eventually, they will get tired of occasionally punching us in the face or it just won't be fun anymore for them, huh?  This is novel idea!

Yes.  Run the numbers.  You can pay for a lot of planes and buildings if you skip a trillion dollar war now and again, and the body count will be lower too.


No kidding, I've looked at the casualty figures for the Afghan war and it's 2,315 dead to date.  How many people died on 9/11? I'll let you look that one up.
 
2014-03-26 04:16:20 PM  

Ned Stark: zimbomba63: Ned Stark: zimbomba63: JohnBigBootay: TheShavingofOccam123: JohnBigBootay: kindms: Um. I think the biggest question is why on a single day there are over 100 people on some kind of HOT LIST passing in and out of JFK airport. So many it seems that a real threat was able to pass by simply because there were so many.

Who and what are on that list ? that is a busy airport sure but a single day and there are 99+ more nasty people or whatever on the list ?

You can thank the US intelligence communities 'let's make a list and throw money at it' management style. They have over 20k people on the no-fly list and a half million on the terrorism watch list... rendering both lists largely useless.


Including the names of US combat veterans who have converted to Islam. Fighting for the country is okay, worshiping in a different faith is a problem.

It's maddening. What we have is a target rich environment. We set up this leviathan idiotic infrastructure around air travel so the next target will be a barge into a bridge at rush hour, an oil platform, gasoline tanker, or a suicide moron at the mall. We're doing it the wrong way. And ineffectively at that.

Obviously, you've studied this out, so, the solution is.....?

Dismantle the ineffective and invasive security state and just make peace with taking one one the chin now and again.

So attempting to protect your self causes criminal activity and being assaulted, robbed, etc. should be considered just "life in the big city", is that what you're saying?  And then, eventually, they will get tired of occasionally punching us in the face or it just won't be fun anymore for them, huh?  This is novel idea!

Were talking about the day to day operation of a state comprised of many millions of individuals not a "self", this particular branch of the conversation is about responses not causes, street crime is not at all of the same character as political violence, and no one claimed that anything would stop be it from boredom ...


Well, that's odd, because those who were against the Afghan war, stated that it was more a police matter, you Interpol would arrest them somehow, and not a military matter.

So we're going to "make peace with taking one on the chin now and again."  Is your stupidity of a terminal nature?  I mean, do people have to remind you to breathe every now and then?  If so, they should stop doing that for everyone's sake.

When you're numb from the neck up, you're not expected to feel any "burn".
 
2014-03-26 04:40:04 PM  

jshine: Giving anyone a reason to hate us is a bad idea.


Like, say, invading other people's countries and then routinely murdering innocent women and children?

As reported in the New York Times last week, a significant number of innocent Afghans continue to be killed by US and NATO forces despite new rules issued by Gen. Stanley McChrystal meant to help reduce civilian casualties. Indeed, the number of Afghans who have been killed or hurt by troop shootings at convoys and military checkpoints has basically remained the same since McChrystal announced his directives.

"We have shot an amazing number of people, but to my knowledge, none has ever proven to be a threat," said McChrystal during a recent video-conference with troops, the Times reported.


Or, heck, just routinely murdering innocent women and children without bothering to invade their country first.

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I'm sure that if some other country invaded the United States and started routinely murdering innocent women and children nobody here would go all WOLVERINES! or anything.
 
2014-03-26 06:09:13 PM  
You're all overlooking the most important fact...

The anchorwoman in that video is HOT!
 
2014-03-26 07:03:34 PM  

zimbomba63: Ned Stark: zimbomba63: Ned Stark: zimbomba63: JohnBigBootay: TheShavingofOccam123: JohnBigBootay: kindms: Um. I think the biggest question is why on a single day there are over 100 people on some kind of HOT LIST passing in and out of JFK airport. So many it seems that a real threat was able to pass by simply because there were so many.

Who and what are on that list ? that is a busy airport sure but a single day and there are 99+ more nasty people or whatever on the list ?

You can thank the US intelligence communities 'let's make a list and throw money at it' management style. They have over 20k people on the no-fly list and a half million on the terrorism watch list... rendering both lists largely useless.


Including the names of US combat veterans who have converted to Islam. Fighting for the country is okay, worshiping in a different faith is a problem.

It's maddening. What we have is a target rich environment. We set up this leviathan idiotic infrastructure around air travel so the next target will be a barge into a bridge at rush hour, an oil platform, gasoline tanker, or a suicide moron at the mall. We're doing it the wrong way. And ineffectively at that.

Obviously, you've studied this out, so, the solution is.....?

Dismantle the ineffective and invasive security state and just make peace with taking one one the chin now and again.

So attempting to protect your self causes criminal activity and being assaulted, robbed, etc. should be considered just "life in the big city", is that what you're saying?  And then, eventually, they will get tired of occasionally punching us in the face or it just won't be fun anymore for them, huh?  This is novel idea!

Were talking about the day to day operation of a state comprised of many millions of individuals not a "self", this particular branch of the conversation is about responses not causes, street crime is not at all of the same character as political violence, and no one claimed that anything would stop be it fr ...


You're the only one who has brought up interpol, but enjoy kicking around that straw.
 
2014-03-26 07:48:31 PM  
Another win for the Obama administration.
 
2014-03-26 08:08:25 PM  

zimbomba63: No kidding, I've looked at the casualty figures for the Afghan war and it's 2,315 dead to date.  How many people died on 9/11? I'll let you look that one up.


Gee, that's a bit one-sided, don't you think?  How about the 100,000+ who died in Iraq because we just had to indulge your "Get your war on!" impulse?
 
2014-03-26 09:09:16 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: zimbomba63: No kidding, I've looked at the casualty figures for the Afghan war and it's 2,315 dead to date.  How many people died on 9/11? I'll let you look that one up.

Gee, that's a bit one-sided, don't you think?  How about the 100,000+ who died in Iraq because we just had to indulge your "Get your war on!" impulse?


"Hey look, there go the goalposts!"

Anyway, by "your....impulse?"  Wow, didn't know I had such power as a lowly GS-13.  Dammit, what the hell did I sign off on?  And I should have gotten "higher graded duties" pay, too.
 
2014-03-26 09:21:38 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Flakeloaf: Is there a problem with spelling the name in its original alphabet? A stupid person could learn Cryillic inside of a week, and Indic/Perso-Arabic/Southeast Asian scripts can just become a game of "Match the pictures" for a TSA agent.

Esn: The best thing to do would be to just use the original Cyrillic spellings.

Esn: But really, just using the original Cyrillic spellings would be safest. Many of the Cyrillic letters are the same as the Latin ones, anyway.

Next up on Fox and Friends: President Obama!  We've always known he has Marxist sympathies, but now... he's forcing Homeland Security to read and write in Russian!  And now there are hints that he's going to do the same with Arabic!  Last I heard, English was the official language of America.  But not in Obama's America! Have the terrorists won the culture war?  More on this, right after the break...


Haha! Gold Jerry, Gold!

It should have ended with "And here's Tom with the weather!" though. 9.9/10 sir.
 
2014-03-26 09:25:11 PM  

jshine: jshine: walkerhound: jshine: Invading fewer countries is a nice place to start (e.g., Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.).  The tens/hundreds of thousands of locals who died in those wars have relatives and children, and some fraction of those will end up hating America -- and for good reason.

Pop quiz: why don't we have an onslaught of Vietnamese terrorists?  Or are they opening all those nail salons as a cover?  Also, where was the uptick in German, Italian, and Japanese-based terrorism after WWII?  You'd think dropping a couple of atomic bombs on the general populace would encourage hatred towards the dropper.  Perhaps, just maybe, some farking ethnicities are prone to hatred and blowing themselves up.  Quit being an apologist.


It's not an either-or question.  You're probably right that there are significant cultural issues at play that make terrorism more likely in some countries than others.  We don't have control over that.  What we do have control over is how we act towards other countries.  Giving anyone a reason to hate us is a bad idea.  The fact that some people/countries/cultures may not actually feel that hatred, or may not act on it, is sheer dumb luck on our part.  You're right -- it's very fortunate that there aren't Vietnamese terrorists blowing up buildings (or there weren't in the 60's & 70's when it was more current).

Or, to quote an old saying:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.


I'm stuck on step one still.
 
2014-03-27 01:40:45 AM  

zimbomba63: "Hey look, there go the goalposts!"


Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
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