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(WCAX Vermont)   Only weeks into a 40 year sentence for his heinous UFIA of a minor, inmate dies of a seizure in the middle of the night. Of course he did   (wcax.com) divider line 105
    More: Unlikely, UFIA, South Burlington, child sexual abuse  
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2014-03-26 10:20:18 PM  

RedfordRenegade: PunGent: Sharksfan: PunGent:
But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.

How many years did they give ya?


15 years for passing the Bar...so far :)
 
2014-03-26 10:24:57 PM  

freetomato: PunGent: Sharksfan: PunGent: So, yeah...this guy PROBABLY had it coming.

But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.

Logical calm me don't disagree with a word you said.  However, crazy dad me doesn't care what happens to guys like this.

And yes, I don't trust the cops.  I had an uncle who was a cop and he said "Don't trust the cops".  So I took that advise seriously.

Oh, I hear you.  No kids myself, but if I caught some guy in the act, diddling one of my nieces?  Yeah...I'd probably be looking at a homicide charge.  That's not ITG, that's just a normal human male reaction, imho...hard-wired deep in the DNA.

Problem is, that's EXACTLY why you've got to be so careful with these charges...they're literally lethal, even if the perp doesn't get an (official) death penalty.

Someone brought up the example the priest here in Mass, Geoghan, or whatever his name was.  Yes, he might've been a scumbag...but the only thing he was ACTUALLY convicted of, was touching the outside of a kid's bathing suit.  Anyone who's ever roughhoused with a kid has probably done the exact same thing.

That Geoghan mention led me to this interesting read:

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/geoghan/

Dude was a seriously damaged individual, and the poster child for priestly abusers. He is pretty much the reason the lid was torn off the institutional abuse. I doubt he would get that slap on the wrist today. I hope not, at least.


Yeah...problem was, some of the higher-ups got diplomatic immunity from the Vatican, so...no further prosecution was possible.

It's a big part of the reason I'm reserving judgment on the new Pope.  Sure, he sounds like a nice guy, but his institution has done some very dark shiat over the years.

Pinning a medal on Alfred Krupp after working all those Jews and POWs to death was...an interesting statement of institutional ethics.  I'll leave it at that.
 
2014-03-27 12:25:27 AM  

PunGent: freetomato: PunGent: Sharksfan: PunGent: So, yeah...this guy PROBABLY had it coming.

But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.

Logical calm me don't disagree with a word you said.  However, crazy dad me doesn't care what happens to guys like this.

And yes, I don't trust the cops.  I had an uncle who was a cop and he said "Don't trust the cops".  So I took that advise seriously.

Oh, I hear you.  No kids myself, but if I caught some guy in the act, diddling one of my nieces?  Yeah...I'd probably be looking at a homicide charge.  That's not ITG, that's just a normal human male reaction, imho...hard-wired deep in the DNA.

Problem is, that's EXACTLY why you've got to be so careful with these charges...they're literally lethal, even if the perp doesn't get an (official) death penalty.

Someone brought up the example the priest here in Mass, Geoghan, or whatever his name was.  Yes, he might've been a scumbag...but the only thing he was ACTUALLY convicted of, was touching the outside of a kid's bathing suit.  Anyone who's ever roughhoused with a kid has probably done the exact same thing.

That Geoghan mention led me to this interesting read:

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/geoghan/

Dude was a seriously damaged individual, and the poster child for priestly abusers. He is pretty much the reason the lid was torn off the institutional abuse. I doubt he would get that slap on the wrist today. I hope not, at least.

Yeah...problem was, some of the higher-ups got diplomatic immunity from the Vatican, so...no further prosecution was possible.

It's a big part of the reason I'm reserving judgment on the new Pope.  Sure, he sounds like a nice guy, but his institution has done some very dark shiat over the years.

Pinning a medal on Alfred Krupp after working all those Jews and POWs to death was...an interesting statement of institutional ethics.  I'll leave it at that.


Hey, it's a start. Frances is as responsible for Catholic sanctioned villainy as I am for my Depression-era Texas grandmother's racism. I am willing to give some respect for how he walks the walk, exposing un-Christ-like hypocrisy in the modern, selfish church as he goes.

Sarah farking Palin insulted him for being too socialist. Just wait till she meets the über hippie Christ, if she goes up after death and not down. Stupid woman.

Frances is ok in my book. He is attentive and progressive and sees the evolving world, and thinks how one can remain spiritual and generous of spirit in a changing world.

Of course, I am a little buzzed right now, so I could be extrapolating.
 
2014-03-27 02:10:38 AM  
Is this the same FARK that opposes the death penalty so strongly?!

Funny how quick views change to fit the situation.  You seem to oppose the death penalty in theory... but cheer it's application when performed by inmates rather than when it occurs through legitimate processes (and due appeals).

Hell I support the death penalty (although believe it needs reforms), so it wouldn't be so hypocritical of me if I supported this sort of thing.  But I am not so keen on the vigilante "justice" as you all are.  There are certain people who definitely deserve to die - but this is not the way it should happen in a remotely civilized society.  Putting aside what the guy may or may not have done (and even the strength/validity of the evidence against him), vigilante justice is not justice and has no place in modern civilized society - not even in prison.  I also think any guards/other prison officials that allow this sort of thing should absolutely be charged as accessories to murder.  Neither police officers nor prison guards should be above the law.

You let raw emotion blind you from even basic reason, and turn into frenzied pack animals.  It is hard to see people like you as much above frenzied mobs in other countries that stone people (such as homosexuals/girls who where raped/etc) to death all while trying to out-cheer each other as the gory ritual carries on.  I'm glad you are proud to be barbarian animals rather than men.

And no I am not defending this man, nor defending what he allegedly did.  Who he is and what he did is well beyond the point.  It would not matter if this man was Hitler himself.  I stand by my words.  I believe in the concept of justice.  This is not justice by any rational definition.
 
2014-03-27 09:39:40 AM  

freetomato: PunGent: freetomato: PunGent: Sharksfan: PunGent: So, yeah...this guy PROBABLY had it coming.

But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.

Logical calm me don't disagree with a word you said.  However, crazy dad me doesn't care what happens to guys like this.

And yes, I don't trust the cops.  I had an uncle who was a cop and he said "Don't trust the cops".  So I took that advise seriously.

Oh, I hear you.  No kids myself, but if I caught some guy in the act, diddling one of my nieces?  Yeah...I'd probably be looking at a homicide charge.  That's not ITG, that's just a normal human male reaction, imho...hard-wired deep in the DNA.

Problem is, that's EXACTLY why you've got to be so careful with these charges...they're literally lethal, even if the perp doesn't get an (official) death penalty.

Someone brought up the example the priest here in Mass, Geoghan, or whatever his name was.  Yes, he might've been a scumbag...but the only thing he was ACTUALLY convicted of, was touching the outside of a kid's bathing suit.  Anyone who's ever roughhoused with a kid has probably done the exact same thing.

That Geoghan mention led me to this interesting read:

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/geoghan/

Dude was a seriously damaged individual, and the poster child for priestly abusers. He is pretty much the reason the lid was torn off the institutional abuse. I doubt he would get that slap on the wrist today. I hope not, at least.

Yeah...problem was, some of the higher-ups got diplomatic immunity from the Vatican, so...no further prosecution was possible.

It's a big part of the reason I'm reserving judgment on the new Pope.  Sure, he sounds like a nice guy, but his institution has done some very dark shiat over the years.

Pinning a medal on Alfred Krupp after working all those Jews and POWs to death was...an interesting statement of institutional ethics.  I'll leave it at that.

Hey, it's a start. Fr ...


Oh, I agree Francis SOUNDS good.  But there IS an ongoing issue he IS responsible for:  diplomatic immunity for molester enablers.
 
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