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(WCAX Vermont)   Only weeks into a 40 year sentence for his heinous UFIA of a minor, inmate dies of a seizure in the middle of the night. Of course he did   (wcax.com) divider line 105
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2014-03-26 11:02:28 AM  

anuran: Moodybastard: Sharksfan: From TFA: Turner was serving time for repeatedly raping a 7-year-old girl, recoding the attacks, and then trading the videos online.

I have a 7 year old daughter.  This guy got way, WAY better than he deserved.  I'm all for justice but somebody doing stuff to kids makes me crazy.

If I was ever on a jury for a parent that killed someone who had harmed their kid....well...the verdict might be "guilty of jaywalking".

Littering...

Definitely guilty of littering.
"Fine paid and time served"

Littering and creating a nuisance. Make him sit on the Group W bench for a few minutes


^This

/Father raper approved
//Pencils are fun
///slashies come in threes
 
2014-03-26 11:03:21 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Holy crap I had no idea they caught roman polanski!

oh...this guy actually rape raped.  Not hollywood raped.


You said Rape twice
 
2014-03-26 11:04:07 AM  

Unoriginal_Username: Sharksfan: From TFA: Turner was serving time for repeatedly raping a 7-year-old girl, recoding the attacks, and then trading the videos online.

I have a 7 year old daughter.  This guy got way, WAY better than he deserved.  I'm all for justice but somebody doing stuff to kids makes me crazy.

If I was ever on a jury for a parent that killed someone who had harmed their kid....well...the verdict might be "guilty of jaywalking".

I am in full agreement with you.

If something like that happened to my daughter, I would do my best to make sure the person never made it to jail.


I understand the sentiment, but don't forget that case last year, where Daddy beat the crap out of the neighbor/molester...and then it turned out his sweet little daughter was lying her ass off.

Oops.
 
2014-03-26 11:05:28 AM  

WTFDYW: Was it caused by temporary oxygen deprivation?


That's what I'm wondering.. does death by accidental rear naked choke hold leave evidence?
 
2014-03-26 11:09:41 AM  

Sczi: WTFDYW: Was it caused by temporary oxygen deprivation?

That's what I'm wondering.. does death by accidental rear naked choke hold leave evidence?


Defensive bruising if the person in the choke hold is trying to escape. But that is assuming you can say they got that while you were doing something else... like having private fun time...
 
2014-03-26 11:12:49 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-26 11:13:04 AM  
It was allergy. He had a severe allergic reaction to getting choked out and having his head bashed against the floor.
 
2014-03-26 11:15:02 AM  

Kevin Lomax: So this was justice? His punishment for his heinous acts was a couple weeks in prison, and people are cheering that. Sure, ok.

Life in prison is much worse than 2 weeks in prison before shuffling off this mortal coil. He did less time than people do for any number of less serious crimes. Sorry, I'm not going to get a revenge boner over the fact this guy barely was punished for what he did.


You need a lot more to get your "revenge boner" on, then? How about a few sessions on the rack? Thumbscrews? Maybe finish up with a good old-fashioned hanging, drawing, and quartering?
 
2014-03-26 11:17:18 AM  

Mithiwithi: How about a few sessions on the rack? Thumbscrews? Maybe finish up with a good old-fashioned hanging, drawing, and quartering?


Talk slower....
 
2014-03-26 11:17:36 AM  
I guess I can add another stop to my Fred-Phelps-inspired grave pissing tour this summer. It would be nice if they could bury these two close together and save us all a little gas money.
 
2014-03-26 11:18:13 AM  
Well, the findings from the investigation has come in: Too bad, so sad.  No, further investigatin' has been deemed warranted.
 
2014-03-26 11:21:30 AM  
PunGent:

I understand the sentiment, but don't forget that case last year, where Daddy beat the crap out of the neighbor/molester...and then it turned out his sweet little daughter was lying her ass off.

Oops.


Thing is - this guy video taped it.  We know it happened and we know who did it.  If there was ever any doubt whether it actually happened, or who the perp was it would be different.
 
2014-03-26 11:26:06 AM  
I sort of think it's time we admit that certain criminals (particularly sex-offenders who did things to minors, as this girl was 7 years old), should have no rights anymore.

He died? sad.  he died in prison for raping a 7 year old?  Not sad.  Just grind him into food for the less offensive prisoners.  Don't waste money or time on an investigation when it isn't necessary.  Some good person who raped and killed him is going to have a bad day if you go figuring out who's guilty.
 
2014-03-26 11:29:34 AM  
This is probably legitimate. There are so many cameras in a prison that you can count on being on camera 99% of the time. The john is the 1% you are not. Staff doesn't even know where all of the cameras are. They spy on us more than the inmates. The only way a staff member could have had any involvement is if they were admin and no one saw it. And... some one would see it.
 
2014-03-26 11:36:59 AM  

PunGent: Unoriginal_Username: Sharksfan: From TFA: Turner was serving time for repeatedly raping a 7-year-old girl, recoding the attacks, and then trading the videos online.

I have a 7 year old daughter.  This guy got way, WAY better than he deserved.  I'm all for justice but somebody doing stuff to kids makes me crazy.

If I was ever on a jury for a parent that killed someone who had harmed their kid....well...the verdict might be "guilty of jaywalking".

I am in full agreement with you.

If something like that happened to my daughter, I would do my best to make sure the person never made it to jail.

I understand the sentiment, but don't forget that case last year, where Daddy beat the crap out of the neighbor/molester...and then it turned out his sweet little daughter was lying her ass off.

Oops.


in this situation, where a man, in his late 30's early 40's and your daughter is 7? there is no oops moment
 
2014-03-26 11:41:50 AM  

yves0010: You Are All Sheep: Holy crap I had no idea they caught roman polanski!

oh...this guy actually rape raped.  Not hollywood raped.

You said Rape twice


Not to nitpick, but I count thrice.

/Count thou not two, unless thou procedest unto three.
 
2014-03-26 11:48:00 AM  
The US prison system would work much better if we had prisons that operated like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dolphin_Prison

http://natgeotv.com/asia/inside-russias-toughest-prisons/videos/blac k- dolphin-prison

/that's tight.....
 
2014-03-26 11:54:44 AM  

ferretman: The US prison system would work much better if we had prisons that operated like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dolphin_Prison

http://natgeotv.com/asia/inside-russias-toughest-prisons/videos/blac k- dolphin-prison

/that's tight.....


wow.
 
2014-03-26 11:58:29 AM  

Coconice: yves0010: You Are All Sheep: Holy crap I had no idea they caught roman polanski!

oh...this guy actually rape raped.  Not hollywood raped.

You said Rape twice

Not to nitpick, but I count thrice.

/Count thou not two, unless thou procedest unto three.


four is too far and five is right out.
 
2014-03-26 12:05:15 PM  
Amazing how many seizures are caused by hypoxia or a lack of blood flow to the brain or both.

Just sayin' it's really hard to breath through a wet towel.

abcnews.go.com
 
2014-03-26 12:12:17 PM  

ferretman: The US prison system would work much better if we had prisons that operated like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dolphin_Prison

http://natgeotv.com/asia/inside-russias-toughest-prisons/videos/blac k- dolphin-prison

/that's tight.....


Agreed.  If you're a POS, you should be treated like one.
 
2014-03-26 12:13:09 PM  

Sharksfan: From TFA: Turner was serving time for repeatedly raping a 7-year-old girl, recoding the attacks, and then trading the videos online.

I have a 7 year old daughter.  This guy got way, WAY better than he deserved.  I'm all for justice but somebody doing stuff to kids makes me crazy.

If I was ever on a jury for a parent that killed someone who had harmed their kid....well...the verdict might be "guilty of jaywalking".


They would never let you sit on that jury because of the circumstances and views. I don't envy anyone who had to sit on that jury in fact. The guy was one sick fark.
 
2014-03-26 12:21:36 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-26 12:22:25 PM  
RedfordRenegade:  I hope Fred Phelps is running a train on this guy.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-26 12:26:08 PM  

Carn: Coconice: yves0010: You Are All Sheep: Holy crap I had no idea they caught roman polanski!

oh...this guy actually rape raped.  Not hollywood raped.

You said Rape twice

Not to nitpick, but I count thrice.

/Count thou not two, unless thou procedest unto three.

four is too far and five is right out.


Right then...
one...
two...
five!
 
2014-03-26 12:27:21 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2014-03-26 12:29:06 PM  
ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2014-03-26 12:29:16 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: PunGent: Unoriginal_Username: Sharksfan: From TFA: Turner was serving time for repeatedly raping a 7-year-old girl, recoding the attacks, and then trading the videos online.

I have a 7 year old daughter.  This guy got way, WAY better than he deserved.  I'm all for justice but somebody doing stuff to kids makes me crazy.

If I was ever on a jury for a parent that killed someone who had harmed their kid....well...the verdict might be "guilty of jaywalking".

I am in full agreement with you.

If something like that happened to my daughter, I would do my best to make sure the person never made it to jail.

I understand the sentiment, but don't forget that case last year, where Daddy beat the crap out of the neighbor/molester...and then it turned out his sweet little daughter was lying her ass off.

Oops.

in this situation, where a man, in his late 30's early 40's and your daughter is 7? there is no oops moment


If she was lying and the victim of the beating was innocent, there is a SEVERE oops moment, and daddy dear is now eligible for a few years in PITA/UFIA land courtesy of the state. This is one reason why we have "police" and "investigations". Or is daddy simply to have the shiat beaten out of him in order to give justice to the innocent man he wronged?
 
2014-03-26 12:30:22 PM  
Kind of like that Will Arnett prison movie, I'm guessing the easiest way to kill a bad guy is with fake drugs.
Maybe the person is befriended and given good drugs first, say, a line of cocaine, and then the second line is Comet or whatever.
Seizure time.
 
2014-03-26 12:40:00 PM  

Sharksfan: PunGent:

I understand the sentiment, but don't forget that case last year, where Daddy beat the crap out of the neighbor/molester...and then it turned out his sweet little daughter was lying her ass off.

Oops.

Thing is - this guy video taped it.  We know it happened and we know who did it.  If there was ever any doubt whether it actually happened, or who the perp was it would be different.

what the government and the media told us happened.

Unless you were there while he was taping the stuff, that is.  Yes, he PROBABLY did the crime.  But if you think neither of those two entities ever makes mistakes, or deliberately lies...well, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

We "knew" they'd found that guy's fingerprints at the Madrid bombings, right?

Oops.  Turns out the FBI just really, really, wanted to convict someone.  Who'd never even been to Spain, it turned out.

And we "knew" all those drug defendants were guilty here in Massachusetts...heck, the lab results said so.  Science doesn't lie, right?

Oops...turns out the lab had a "helpful" employee, who'd been helpfully inventing false positives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan

So, yeah...this guy PROBABLY had it coming.

But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.
 
2014-03-26 12:44:47 PM  

PunGent: So, yeah...this guy PROBABLY had it coming.

But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.


Logical calm me don't disagree with a word you said.  However, crazy dad me doesn't care what happens to guys like this.

And yes, I don't trust the cops.  I had an uncle who was a cop and he said "Don't trust the cops".  So I took that advise seriously.
 
2014-03-26 12:46:27 PM  
The worst thing you can do with people like this is to let the machine just grind on by. Give the situation whatever investigations are the standard for inmate deaths, punish the perpetrator in the standard way if the investigation turns up foul play, and move on. No muss, minimal fuss. He deserves no better.
 
2014-03-26 12:49:26 PM  

yves0010: You Are All Sheep: Holy crap I had no idea they caught roman polanski!

oh...this guy actually rape raped.  Not hollywood raped.

You said Rape twice


Two negatives make a positive.
 
2014-03-26 12:58:34 PM  

You Are All Sheep: yves0010: You Are All Sheep: Holy crap I had no idea they caught roman polanski!

oh...this guy actually rape raped.  Not hollywood raped.

You said Rape twice

Two negatives make a positive.


He's positive he likes rape?
 
2014-03-26 01:01:46 PM  
It's A Small, Small World,....... on Ad InFinitium
 
2014-03-26 01:19:54 PM  

yves0010: Carn: Coconice: yves0010: You Are All Sheep: Holy crap I had no idea they caught roman polanski!

oh...this guy actually rape raped.  Not hollywood raped.

You said Rape twice

Not to nitpick, but I count thrice.

/Count thou not two, unless thou procedest unto three.

four is too far and five is right out.

Right then...
one...
two...
five!


three, sir
 
2014-03-26 01:28:06 PM  
Good
 
2014-03-26 01:30:25 PM  

anuran: Moodybastard: Sharksfan: From TFA: Turner was serving time for repeatedly raping a 7-year-old girl, recoding the attacks, and then trading the videos online.

I have a 7 year old daughter.  This guy got way, WAY better than he deserved.  I'm all for justice but somebody doing stuff to kids makes me crazy.

If I was ever on a jury for a parent that killed someone who had harmed their kid....well...the verdict might be "guilty of jaywalking".

Littering...

Definitely guilty of littering.
"Fine paid and time served"

Littering and creating a nuisance. Make him sit on the Group W bench for a few minutes


Littering and...
Littering and...
Littering and...
Littering and...

Having a seizure.
 
2014-03-26 01:32:54 PM  
As a Vermont resident, I am glad that I will not have to pay for food and shelter for this man anymore.
 
2014-03-26 01:35:58 PM  
Wouldn't that be UPIA?
 
2014-03-26 01:54:58 PM  

PunGent: Sharksfan: PunGent:
But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.


How many years did they give ya?
 
2014-03-26 02:02:01 PM  
 Vermont State Police are awaiting autopsy results in an investigation into the death of Shayn Turner, 43, an inmate at the Northwest State Correctional Facility (NSCF) on Tuesday.
According to a statement from police, Turner was spotted having a "medical episode" during a routine check on his cell at 1:40 a.m. The correctional officer and a nurse in the facility responded to the emergency call and began lifesaving procedures, said Vermont State Police.
AmCare Ambulance personnel arrived on the scene and took over treatment of Turner, pronouncing him dead at 2:18 a.m., police report.
A mother of an NSCF inmate spoke with the Messenger today. She said Turner's cellmate raised the alarm about Turner's condition and other inmates joined him, banging on their cell walls to try and get the attention of a corrections officer.
Turner was a high profile inmate, reportedly just returned to Unit A from segregation.
He was sentenced to 40 years to life in February by Judge Michael Kupersmith as part of a plea agreement in which Turner pled guilty to four counts of aggravated sexual assault of a child. His victim was just six years old at the time of the first rape.
Child pornography charges against Turner for recording the rapes and sharing the images online were dropped as part of the plea agreement. Police do not consider the death suspicious.
In 2009 when the facility housed female inmates, the state coroner determined another NSCF prisoner, Ashley Ellis, died after medical personnel at the facility failed to provide her with the potassium she needed to insure her heart functioned properly.
An inquiry into the case determined that Ellis, 23, had an eating disorder. It was shown that prison medical staff was notified by her physician, in advance of her arrival, of her medical needs, but did not provide the potassium despite repeated requests from Ellis, who died within 48 hours of being incarcerated.
 
2014-03-26 02:03:17 PM  
Looks around....

Move on.
 
2014-03-26 02:47:56 PM  
In unrelated new, someone burglarized a vet's office and stole a truck load of Pet meds Rx type the day before.
 
2014-03-26 03:43:02 PM  

Kevin Lomax: Life in prison is much worse than 2 weeks in prison before shuffling off this mortal coil. He did less time than people do for any number of less serious crimes. Sorry, I'm not going to get a revenge boner over the fact this guy barely was punished for what he did.


THIS.

Death is freedom.  Suffering is punishment.
 
2014-03-26 03:54:12 PM  

IAmYourBrainOnDrugs: Death is freedom.  Suffering is punishment.


I don't know what happens when we die, but I know that while he was still alive, he could still cause others to suffer.

Good riddance.

/I do hope his death included plenty of suffering
 
2014-03-26 07:30:27 PM  
Now he can say hello to Fred Phelps.
 
2014-03-26 09:16:26 PM  

Sharksfan: PunGent: So, yeah...this guy PROBABLY had it coming.

But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.

Logical calm me don't disagree with a word you said.  However, crazy dad me doesn't care what happens to guys like this.

And yes, I don't trust the cops.  I had an uncle who was a cop and he said "Don't trust the cops".  So I took that advise seriously.


Oh, I hear you.  No kids myself, but if I caught some guy in the act, diddling one of my nieces?  Yeah...I'd probably be looking at a homicide charge.  That's not ITG, that's just a normal human male reaction, imho...hard-wired deep in the DNA.

Problem is, that's EXACTLY why you've got to be so careful with these charges...they're literally lethal, even if the perp doesn't get an (official) death penalty.

Someone brought up the example the priest here in Mass, Geoghan, or whatever his name was.  Yes, he might've been a scumbag...but the only thing he was ACTUALLY convicted of, was touching the outside of a kid's bathing suit.  Anyone who's ever roughhoused with a kid has probably done the exact same thing.
 
2014-03-26 09:24:16 PM  

The Muthaship: IAmYourBrainOnDrugs: Death is freedom.  Suffering is punishment.

I don't know what happens when we die, but I know that while he was still alive, he could still cause others to suffer.

Good riddance.

/I do hope his death included plenty of suffering


This. The death isn't punishment, it's to permanently protect others and free up resources to protect against other unknown threats. I'm okay with this.
 
2014-03-26 09:41:12 PM  

PunGent: Sharksfan: PunGent: So, yeah...this guy PROBABLY had it coming.

But there's a damn good reason I'm opposed to the death penalty...it's because I'm familiar with the legal system.

Logical calm me don't disagree with a word you said.  However, crazy dad me doesn't care what happens to guys like this.

And yes, I don't trust the cops.  I had an uncle who was a cop and he said "Don't trust the cops".  So I took that advise seriously.

Oh, I hear you.  No kids myself, but if I caught some guy in the act, diddling one of my nieces?  Yeah...I'd probably be looking at a homicide charge.  That's not ITG, that's just a normal human male reaction, imho...hard-wired deep in the DNA.

Problem is, that's EXACTLY why you've got to be so careful with these charges...they're literally lethal, even if the perp doesn't get an (official) death penalty.

Someone brought up the example the priest here in Mass, Geoghan, or whatever his name was.  Yes, he might've been a scumbag...but the only thing he was ACTUALLY convicted of, was touching the outside of a kid's bathing suit.  Anyone who's ever roughhoused with a kid has probably done the exact same thing.


That Geoghan mention led me to this interesting read:

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/geoghan/

Dude was a seriously damaged individual, and the poster child for priestly abusers. He is pretty much the reason the lid was torn off the institutional abuse. I doubt he would get that slap on the wrist today. I hope not, at least.
 
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