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(NBC Connecticut)   Hybrid wolf-dogs threaten people and animals in southeastern Connecticut, get great gas mileage   (nbcconnecticut.com) divider line 70
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2014-03-26 08:04:52 AM  
LLAUGHTER OL THAT A GOOD ONE SUBMITTER OF THIS
 
2014-03-26 08:12:35 AM  
Oh, sure, they get great city mileage, but if you get them out on the highway, they aren't much better than a regular wolf-dog.
 
2014-03-26 08:15:13 AM  
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2014-03-26 09:07:59 AM  
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2014-03-26 09:43:31 AM  
What kind of wolf/dog hybrid? Cuz a wolf-chihuahua hybrid wouldn't pose much of a threat I'm thinking...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-26 09:44:37 AM  
According to USDA, inability to vaccinate wolf-dogs against rabies is a paperwork problem not a medical problem: "Although it is likely that current rabies vaccines are as efficacious in the hybrid as they are in the dog, Federal regulations require that any vaccine be tested in a species before it can be approved for use in that species." http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm
 
2014-03-26 09:47:21 AM  
Is Gerald Ford OK?
 
2014-03-26 09:51:39 AM  

ZAZ: According to USDA, inability to vaccinate wolf-dogs against rabies is a paperwork problem not a medical problem: "Although it is likely that current rabies vaccines are as efficacious in the hybrid as they are in the dog, Federal regulations require that any vaccine be tested in a species before it can be approved for use in that species." http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm


I was going to ask about that, because I didn't understand how that could be.  Naturally, anything that could be used for the greater good will be held up for years, while drugs that cause heart attack/stroke/cancer/death etc. get waved on through the system.
 
2014-03-26 09:52:16 AM  
Sure, these WolfDogs are a concern, but they can't even compare to the horror that is ManBearPig.fc07.deviantart.net
 
2014-03-26 09:52:46 AM  
Was it a dog that farked a wolf? I'd like to see, from a generous distance, the dog who could pull that off.
 
2014-03-26 09:53:10 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Is Gerald Ford OK?


More than just OK... I heard he was delicious.
 
2014-03-26 09:53:48 AM  
There's an animal shelter that I volunteered at in my Americorps days. A guy had malamutes that had at some point mated with wolves and he would bring in the puppies to be adopted out. They were abso-farking-lutely adorable but when I saw one of the older offspring, it was clear that they were not malamutes. People adopted them like crazy. I feel bad for them, they are definitely not dogs that play or do dog things.
 
2014-03-26 09:55:28 AM  
We've got some really big coyotes out on the family farm that we suspect may be coywolves. Although that hybrid isn't supposed to currently exist in Colorado. The heaviest coyote on record was 74 pounds and the ones we see would give that a record a run for its money.
 
2014-03-26 09:57:53 AM  
Replace wolf-hybrid with mutt and here in NC there are roaming packs that do the same thing.  They have killed many family pets in the area.  Its a dog/wolf thing.  They hunt, it is in their DNA.  Same for the packs of chihuahuas that have recently made the news.
 
2014-03-26 09:58:42 AM  
 cannot be vaccinated against rabies.

I have an AR-15 that does.
 
2014-03-26 09:59:50 AM  
Aren't all dogs wolf-hybrids of some type?
 
2014-03-26 10:02:06 AM  

RexTalionis: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x294]


Over in 3.
 
2014-03-26 10:03:33 AM  
Wolves avoid people, and those that did not became dogs.  It's the blend here that makes it a bit scary, since the dog component would be more aggressive.

Knew some people in New Mexico who were authorized to keep a pair of wolves in a large enclosure.  When I went to check them out, they slinked away and tried to hide, although they had been raised from pups and not mistreated.  German shepherds?  That would have been another behavior altogether.
 
2014-03-26 10:08:35 AM  
i4.cdnds.net

Have the Authorities checked to see if the circus was in town?
 
2014-03-26 10:09:48 AM  

StrikitRich: Aren't all dogs wolf-hybrids of some type?


No. A hybrid requires a second species to crossbreed with. Dogs are wolves that are inbred rather than crossbred. The inbreeding promoted positive traits that benefit humans. And really, the dogs did it to themselves at first when they capitalized on the advantages of hanging around human midden heaps. The ones that didn't growl and snap at people got more calories and a reproductive advantage. Eventually, friendliness became a dominant trait of those early dogs and they moved into our homes and became partners in hunting.

Some say the domestication of dogs is what helped modern humans out-compete neanderthals.
 
2014-03-26 10:14:40 AM  
How can two animals of the same species create a hybrid? A dog and a wolf are already the same thing. The only reason they don't already interbreed widely is because of the lack of opportunity, not because they can't.
 
2014-03-26 10:21:28 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Is Gerald Ford OK?

More than just OK... I heard he was delicious.


Lulz
 
2014-03-26 10:22:11 AM  
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2014-03-26 10:27:37 AM  
I live in western CT near the NY state border and I have to say that the wolf and coyote population has been getting noticeably more bold in the past couple of years.  Up until 5 years ago, I had seen maybe one or two wild dogs in my whole life, but this year alone I've seen a couple coyotes and a small pack of wolves.  I couldn't tell you if it was because of overdevelopment, a population boom because the deer population exploded, or some other reason I can't think of.  I carry a small baton when I hike now on the outside chance I have to chase something off.  It's not really dangerous or a problem, it's just different than it used to be.

TL;DR: I live in CT and there are more wolves and coyotes now than there used to be.
 
2014-03-26 10:43:01 AM  
My dog growing up was a wolf hybrid. He was awesome, and the sweetest thing in the world. Unless you were the mailman. My dog legitimately hated the mailman.
 
2014-03-26 10:45:07 AM  

Chabash: There's an animal shelter that I volunteered at in my Americorps days. A guy had malamutes that had at some point mated with wolves and he would bring in the puppies to be adopted out. They were abso-farking-lutely adorable but when I saw one of the older offspring, it was clear that they were not malamutes. People adopted them like crazy. I feel bad for them, they are definitely not dogs that play or do dog things.


That's not really fair to them.  I used to have a husky/wolf cross and she was very playful.  You just had to watch yourself when playing with her because she didn't hold back as much as dogs usually do (The neighbor's dog got into our yard one time and attacked her; she drove it off in about 5 minutes, and I don't think she realized the whole time that the other dog wasn't playing).  You do have to keep on top of them, though.  You neverwant to let a wolf dog think for even a second they've won a dominance contest with you.
 
2014-03-26 10:46:16 AM  
Wolves and coyote are dangerous rodents, too many people give them a pass because they look like Fido or Spot, when in reality they should be shot on sight
 
2014-03-26 10:49:57 AM  

gopher321: What kind of wolf/dog hybrid? Cuz a wolf-chihuahua hybrid wouldn't pose much of a threat I'm thinking...


Says a man who has never been attacked by a chihuahua
 
2014-03-26 10:52:00 AM  

SoupJohnB: Wolves avoid people, and those that did not became dogs.  It's the blend here that makes it a bit scary, since the dog component would be more aggressive.

Knew some people in New Mexico who were authorized to keep a pair of wolves in a large enclosure.  When I went to check them out, they slinked away and tried to hide, although they had been raised from pups and not mistreated.  German shepherds?  That would have been another behavior altogether.


Maybe it's because they didn't know you in particular, and I've known plenty of dogs who react adversely to strangers, including slinking.
 
2014-03-26 11:00:02 AM  
Dogs that react badly to strangers (mailmen or otherwise) are scared and/or think they are the pack leader. These are poorly trained and dangerous animals.

In my area I have noticed a huge increase in large foxes and coyotes. Neither of which I had ever seen in the last 30+ years.
 
2014-03-26 11:15:01 AM  

LoneWolf343: SoupJohnB: Wolves avoid people, and those that did not became dogs.  It's the blend here that makes it a bit scary, since the dog component would be more aggressive.

Knew some people in New Mexico who were authorized to keep a pair of wolves in a large enclosure.  When I went to check them out, they slinked away and tried to hide, although they had been raised from pups and not mistreated.  German shepherds?  That would have been another behavior altogether.

Maybe it's because they didn't know you in particular, and I've known plenty of dogs who react adversely to strangers, including slinking.


That's probably true.  Are you part wolf, too?  :)
 
2014-03-26 11:20:44 AM  
There is no genetic difference between wolves and dogs.
 
2014-03-26 11:26:38 AM  

tetsoushima: I live in western CT near the NY state border and I have to say that the wolf and coyote population has been getting noticeably more bold in the past couple of years.  Up until 5 years ago, I had seen maybe one or two wild dogs in my whole life, but this year alone I've seen a couple coyotes and a small pack of wolves.  I couldn't tell you if it was because of overdevelopment, a population boom because the deer population exploded, or some other reason I can't think of.  I carry a small baton when I hike now on the outside chance I have to chase something off.  It's not really dangerous or a problem, it's just different than it used to be.

TL;DR: I live in CT and there are more wolves and coyotes now than there used to be.


How do you know that they were wolves, never having seen many wild dogs?
 
2014-03-26 11:31:17 AM  

meow said the dog: LLAUGHTER OL THAT A GOOD ONE SUBMITTER OF THIS


And as a hybrid cat-dog, she would know!
 
2014-03-26 11:37:25 AM  
I'll see if I can dig up the exact reference I read, but there was a guy who thought his wolf-dog was tame, until he (the man) went into the yard walking oddly (bandaged ankle). The wolf-dog sensed his weakness and went after him in a dominance move - just like a wolf that has decided to challenge the alpha. The guy barely got away from his own wolf-dog.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-26 11:39:11 AM  
MemeSlave

Dogs often hold their tails curled up. Wolves hold their tails down, or (according to one web page) sometimes up but not curled.
 
2014-03-26 11:41:29 AM  

duffblue: Wolves and coyote are dangerous rodents, too many people give them a pass because they look like Fido or Spot, when in reality they should be shot on sight


John Dunbar disagrees with you.

RIP Two Sox
 
2014-03-26 11:48:35 AM  

Virtue: There is no genetic difference between wolves and dogs.


Can you back that up?

http://genome.cshlp.org/content/15/12/1706.full
 
2014-03-26 11:48:41 AM  

Mark Ratner: duffblue: Wolves and coyote are dangerous rodents, too many people give them a pass because they look like Fido or Spot, when in reality they should be shot on sight

John Dunbar disagrees with you.

RIP Two Sox


But in the end the spirit of the wolf lives on.
 
2014-03-26 11:49:33 AM  

gopher321: What kind of wolf/dog hybrid? Cuz a wolf-chihuahua hybrid wouldn't pose much of a threat I'm thinking...


Are you kidding me?  have you even been around a chihuahua?
 
2014-03-26 11:55:29 AM  

bikerbob59: gopher321: What kind of wolf/dog hybrid? Cuz a wolf-chihuahua hybrid wouldn't pose much of a threat I'm thinking...

Are you kidding me?  have you even been around a chihuahua?


Pondering his next victim...

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2014-03-26 11:58:25 AM  

ZAZ: MemeSlave

Dogs often hold their tails curled up. Wolves hold their tails down, or (according to one web page) sometimes up but not curled.


My dog's tail does not curl up.
 
2014-03-26 12:03:20 PM  

gopher321: What kind of wolf/dog hybrid? Cuz a wolf-chihuahua hybrid wouldn't pose much of a threat I'm thinking...


BS.  A chihuahua will eat you and everyone you love.  Mix it with a wolf?  That's asking for trouble.  The only thing more terrifying would be if you mixed it with a dachshund.
 
2014-03-26 12:05:00 PM  

Eskaminagaga: Sure, these WolfDogs are a concern, but they can't even compare to the horror that is ManBearPig.[fc07.deviantart.net image 786x738]


I'm sorry.  He's MantisBearPig, as of the 1st c o m m e n t in yesterday's thread.

Stick with the tour, please.
 
2014-03-26 12:05:29 PM  

LoneWolf343: SoupJohnB: Wolves avoid people, and those that did not became dogs.  It's the blend here that makes it a bit scary, since the dog component would be more aggressive.

Knew some people in New Mexico who were authorized to keep a pair of wolves in a large enclosure.  When I went to check them out, they slinked away and tried to hide, although they had been raised from pups and not mistreated.  German shepherds?  That would have been another behavior altogether.

Maybe it's because they didn't know you in particular, and I've known plenty of dogs who react adversely to strangers, including slinking.


That's pretty much wolf behavior. Don't know someone, they slink away and try to break contact. Fear-biting was developed in dogs to allow them to guard better.

Generally it is impossible to characterize a specific animal, they notably act in different ways.  One wolf or wolf-dog avoiding and mistrusting all people but their owner, another demanding to wriggle up and lay on the feet of and excessively lick anyone new.

Wolves would have made perfectly suitable companion animals for people when dog breeds, large communities, other domestic animals that came after, and chains and metal cages did yet not exist. Some wolves want to leave their packs, and find a mate and breed themselves or die trying, and this is probably the worst problem with them as pets now because they can no longer do that.

It seems likely to me that dogs are the result of all the alpha wolves leaving to do that, and only the ones that did not want to run things staying with people, the ones that never would have bred in the wild. Being dominant no longer was a reproductive advantage.
 
2014-03-26 12:06:55 PM  

MemeSlave: tetsoushima: I live in western CT near the NY state border and I have to say that the wolf and coyote population has been getting noticeably more bold in the past couple of years.  Up until 5 years ago, I had seen maybe one or two wild dogs in my whole life, but this year alone I've seen a couple coyotes and a small pack of wolves.  I couldn't tell you if it was because of overdevelopment, a population boom because the deer population exploded, or some other reason I can't think of.  I carry a small baton when I hike now on the outside chance I have to chase something off.  It's not really dangerous or a problem, it's just different than it used to be.

TL;DR: I live in CT and there are more wolves and coyotes now than there used to be.

How do you know that they were wolves, never having seen many wild dogs?


Well, I guess I technically can't be sure enough to prove it in a court of law.  When I started noticing random dogs around I started checking it out on the internet and the descriptions seemed to match.http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?a=2723&q=325992  The DEP doesn't seem to think that there are too many grey wolves in CT, so I guess I can't be 100% sure on that one, but there was one time I saw what appeared to be 4 wolves or wolf-dog hybrids running through a field in Newtown near an old state hospital.  The thing that made me think they were probably wolves or at least hybrids was the fact that they were freakishly large.  
But I'm not a canine expert (internet or otherwise) so don't feel the need to take my word for it.
 
2014-03-26 12:08:03 PM  
Hey, hometown news!
 
2014-03-26 12:08:14 PM  
Here is a cool thingy about wolves, and their positive influence on the topography of Yellowstone, since their re-introduction to the park.  Fascinating.

http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/how-wolves-change-rivers/
 
2014-03-26 12:19:58 PM  
Ruh Roh
 
2014-03-26 12:26:34 PM  
 

duffblue: Wolves and coyote are dangerous rodents, too many people give them a pass because they look like Fido or Spot, when in reality they should be shot on sight


ro·dent
ˈrōdnt/
noun
plural noun:  rodents
1
.
a gnawing mammal of an order that includes rats, mice, squirrels, hamsters, porcupines, and their relatives, distinguished by strong constantly growing incisors and no canine teeth. They constitute the largest order of mammals.

Recommended reading and/or viewing for folks like you:   Never Cry Wolf
 
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