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2014-03-26 08:26:17 AM
A stopped clock
 
2014-03-26 08:47:03 AM

Chris Ween: A stopped clock


You mistakenly inserted an "l" there.
 
2014-03-26 08:56:37 AM
Look we just want to stop the poor people from having any fun at all.  They haven't earned the right, that's why when I have sex with the maid, I make sure she never orgasms, it wouldn't be right.
 
2014-03-26 09:25:40 AM

Diogenes: Chris Ween: A stopped clock

You mistakenly inserted an "l" there.


That too.
 
2014-03-26 09:51:03 AM
I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.  For the humans who care about other humans, birth control pills have a lot of useful health benefits for women beyond preventing pregnancy.

These damn republicans have NO valid reason to oppose this.
 
2014-03-26 09:51:47 AM
So Barbara Boxer thinks the government should mandate that your employer buy you a penis pump?

// Don't know if that is currently a requirement or not, no way I'm googling that.
 
2014-03-26 09:51:56 AM

Diogenes: Chris Ween: A stopped clock

You mistakenly inserted an "l" there.


Also an 's', 't', 'o', 'p', and a 'd'.

....

I just wanted to spell Ape Cock :(
 
2014-03-26 09:54:37 AM

HMS_Blinkin: I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.  For the humans who care about other humans, birth control pills have a lot of useful health benefits for women beyond preventing pregnancy.

These damn republicans have NO valid reason to oppose this.


This isn't about reducing abortions.  It's about preventing women from having recreational sex.
 
2014-03-26 09:55:04 AM

BMFPitt: So Barbara Boxer thinks the government should mandate that your employer buy you a penis pump?

// Don't know if that is currently a requirement or not, no way I'm googling that.


The problem is that most health insurance already covers penis pumps.  But no one is complaining about THAT.  They're mad that they're paying for stuff that is good for women (both sexually and non-sexually), but they're totally fine paying for stuff that has no purpose other than to help men get boners.

It's blatantly sexist.
 
2014-03-26 09:55:43 AM

Philip J. Fry: This isn't about reducing abortions. It's about preventing women from having recreational sex.

 
2014-03-26 09:56:05 AM

Philip J. Fry: This isn't about reducing abortions.  It's about preventing women from having recreational sex.


Obviously.  That's why I said "NO valid reason."  Because that's really not a valid reason, and they know it.  If they thought it was legitimate, they'd just come out and say that.  Instead, they make up a bunch of excuses about "religious freedom."
 
2014-03-26 09:56:43 AM

HMS_Blinkin: It's blatantly sexist.


I hear that *chest bump*
 
2014-03-26 09:56:47 AM

HMS_Blinkin: I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.  For the humans who care about other humans, birth control pills have a lot of useful health benefits for women beyond preventing pregnancy.

These damn republicans have NO valid reason to oppose this.


Their positions on birth control and abortion have never been about reducing unwanted pregnancies, they're about stopping people from having sex without consequences. Why else do you think they stop giving a damn about the fetus once it's born? It's the only lens through which their positions make any sense.
 
2014-03-26 09:57:35 AM

Philip J. Fry: This isn't about reducing abortions. It's about preventing women from having recreational sex.


And more importantly, punishing them if they do.
 
2014-03-26 09:58:48 AM
Gotta know if the old pistol still has a few bullets left in it, you know what I'm saying?
 
2014-03-26 09:58:53 AM

HMS_Blinkin: I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.  For the humans who care about other humans, birth control pills have a lot of useful health benefits for women beyond preventing pregnancy.

These damn republicans have NO valid reason to oppose this.


Facts do not matter to these folks... This is about pushing their outdated religious dogma onto others.
 
2014-03-26 09:59:05 AM

HMS_Blinkin: I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.


Probably because the media has done its job to misrepresent the case.  Neither Hobby Lobby nor the other company involved, Conetoga Wood Specialities, oppose providing birth control in general.  Out of the 20 or so FDA approved birth control/sterilization methods, they only oppose the 4 they believe are abortiofacients: Ella, Plan B, and the two types of hormonal IUDs.
 
2014-03-26 10:01:45 AM

EvilEgg: Look we just want to stop the poor people from having any fun at all.  They haven't earned the right, that's why when I have sex with the maid, I make sure she never orgasms, it wouldn't be right.


They give away condoms free all over the place...

That said, forcing people to pay for services they think is a sin seems to be a crossover of religious freedom. Most places that offer insurance also offer an "opt-out" pay off annually. Seems the solution here is if you don't like the insurance your employer is providing, opt-out and get your own through an exchange, or go work for somebody with similar values as you.
 
2014-03-26 10:02:21 AM

houginator: Out of the 20 or so FDA approved birth control/sterilization methods, they only oppose the 4 they believe are abortiofacients: Ella, Plan B, and the two types of hormonal IUDs.


They can believe whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they're right.  Are they scientists who study human reproduction?   NO.  They're farking hobby lobby.  They can get off their high horse and buy the same damn insurance the rest of us use.
 
2014-03-26 10:02:43 AM

HMS_Blinkin: I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.  For the humans who care about other humans, birth control pills have a lot of useful health benefits for women beyond preventing pregnancy.

These damn republicans have NO valid reason to oppose this.


See, that's the problem.  They think birth control IS an abortion.

Suggest that we can lower the abortion rate to be in line with other first world countries, and you get called a socialist baby killer.

Seriously, free birth control and universal healthcare.  Lower the rate of pregnancy and then you take away some of the financial fears of "How the hell am I going to pay for a pregnancy and all the visits I need, let alone after the baby is born"?

We're also missing the different attitude towards sex in general some of those other countries with lower abortion rates have.  I have no idea how to address that.
 
2014-03-26 10:03:17 AM
Hobby Lobby is only asking to block 2 out of the 20 ACA approved forms of contraception. 1. The morning after pill 2. abortion. They're okay with the other 18.
 
2014-03-26 10:04:07 AM

xalres: Their positions on birth control and abortion have never been about reducing unwanted pregnancies, they're about stopping people from having sex without consequences.


Exactly.  So they can fark off.  I'd at least respect them if they just came out and admitted that was their goal.  But this weaseling around and pretending it's about something other than controlling women (and especially poor women) is absolutely infuriating.
 
2014-03-26 10:04:23 AM

HMS_Blinkin: but that doesn't mean they're right.


Until Scalia and the other SCOTUS assclowns get to it.
 
2014-03-26 10:05:28 AM

Philip J. Fry: HMS_Blinkin: I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.  For the humans who care about other humans, birth control pills have a lot of useful health benefits for women beyond preventing pregnancy.

These damn republicans have NO valid reason to oppose this.

This isn't about reducing abortions.  It's about preventing women from having recreational sex.


...but without a commensurate reduction in men having recreational sex, wouldn't that then theoretically increase gay sex, and/or rapes?

/It's as if everything Republicans do to stop one of their supposed sins results in the increase of one or more of their other supposed sins.
 
2014-03-26 10:05:51 AM
HMS_Blinkin:The problem is that most health insurance already covers penis pumps.  But no one is complaining about THAT.  They're mad that they're paying for stuff that is good for women (both sexually and non-sexually), but they're totally fine paying for stuff that has no purpose other than to help men get boners.

I'll take your word for it on the prevalence of penis pump prescription coverage.   But basically every policy you can get unless you pay extra to not have it offers birth control, so I don't see how that's relevant.

So really the question is why you think employers should be involved in any way in buying healthcare?  It seems like the single least efficient method of doing so imaginable, and without that, none of these questions would ever come up.
 
2014-03-26 10:08:03 AM

EWreckedSean: EvilEgg: Look we just want to stop the poor people from having any fun at all.  They haven't earned the right, that's why when I have sex with the maid, I make sure she never orgasms, it wouldn't be right.

They give away condoms free all over the place...

That said, forcing people to pay for services they think is a sin seems to be a crossover of religious freedom. Most places that offer insurance also offer an "opt-out" pay off annually. Seems the solution here is if you don't like the insurance your employer is providing, opt-out and get your own through an exchange, or go work for somebody with similar values as you.


What, you mean, like, at the planned parenthoods and free clinics and such that the right is desperately trying to put an end to?

No, sorry, your employer doesn't get to make moral choices for you. No, sorry, your employer doesn't get to impose religious restrictions on you. Do you think Al Jazeera America gets to tell it's key grip he can't have a bacon cheeseburger? Would that be legal? fark no it wouldn't.

Stopping abortions by stopping unwanted pregnancy = trampling on religious freedom
men getting viagra and penis pumps = religious freedom

No. Just no. Every time an old man pops a blue pill and gets a boner, you are destroying America. No boners for old men.
 
2014-03-26 10:08:25 AM
The focus on birth control is such a waste.  When it comes down to it, dollar for dollar, we spend more money on reactionary treatments for Obesity, a lifestyle that is a choice and has tons of other complications related to it than the cost of birth control pills.

I don't want to any of my money going to fat asses when I spend my own damn money taking care of my fitness.  Stop being fat, plug that pie hole up, maybe use a mouth condom so that you can trick yourself that you did eat that glorious Kripsy Creme but in realty you didn't.  (Mouth Condom, is a trademarked creation)

In all seriousness, we really do spend way to much money in reactionary treatment for fatasses when simple education or actual food regulation could save ALL OF US tons of cash.
 
2014-03-26 10:09:25 AM

Philip J. Fry: This isn't about reducing abortions.  It's about preventing women from having recreational sex.


i.imgur.com

Not really. You could still stick it in her pooper.
 
2014-03-26 10:10:21 AM

BMFPitt: I'll take your word for it on the prevalence of penis pump prescription coverage.   But basically every policy you can get unless you pay extra to not have it offers birth control, so I don't see how that's relevant.


It's relevant because this particular employer is trying to stop their female employees from having access to birth control, while having no problem covering the penis pumps and the viagra or the cialis.

BMFPitt: So really the question is why you think employers should be involved in any way in buying healthcare?  It seems like the single least efficient method of doing so imaginable, and without that, none of these questions would ever come up.


Where the hell did I say that employers "should" be buying health insurance?  Or that it's efficient?  It's a relentlessly inefficient system.  Single-payer universal coverage is by far the best and most efficient system.  But that's a farking fantasy, and you know it.  I'm concerned with making the best of the crappy system we have now.
 
2014-03-26 10:10:30 AM

houginator: Out of the 20 or so FDA approved birth control/sterilization methods, they only oppose the 4 they believe are abortiofacients: Ella, Plan B, and the two types of hormonal IUDs.


I hope SCOTUS looks at the science and says "Legal;;ly speaking, abortifacients are those drugs that expel a gestating zygote/fetus. Any drug that prevents implantation cannot also be an abortifacient" (the same way I cannot leave a room I never entered).

Problem solved, other than religion "believing" that up is down. I know the court is loathe to jump into "sincerity", but if I have a religious belief that paying taxes which fungibly fund the military is equivalent to human murder, I can't very well expect the courts to fall all over themselves to accommodate that belief in law. You can believe something all you want, but when the facts say otherwise, it shouldn't be this difficult.

And no, I don't expect this to happen.
 
2014-03-26 10:10:55 AM

HMS_Blinkin: xalres: Their positions on birth control and abortion have never been about reducing unwanted pregnancies, they're about stopping people from having sex without consequences.

Exactly.  So they can fark off.  I'd at least respect them if they just came out and admitted that was their goal.  But this weaseling around and pretending it's about something other than controlling women (and especially poor women) is absolutely infuriating.


Well they  would but everybody's so damn sensitive nowadays. Why, they can't even treat the homogheys like shiat anymore, per their sincerely held religious beliefs, without you anti-christian bigots getting in the way and infringing on their first amendment rights to say and do whatever they want without consequences because Jesus.
 
2014-03-26 10:12:34 AM
Don't see Hobby Lobby all up in arms over vasectomies either, do we?
This is pure, unadulterated medical discrimination by an employer, to any employee, who happens to have been born female.
 
2014-03-26 10:13:10 AM

Phoenix_M: Hobby Lobby is only asking to block 2 out of the 20 ACA approved forms of contraception. 1. The morning after pill 2. abortion. They're okay with the other 18.


Abortion is not contraception, nor is it "approved" by the ACA as a form of contraception.

The ACA did not approve any sort of contraception.  That's the jurisdiction of the FDA.  All the ACA does is mandate insurance companies pay for FDA approved methods of contraception.  Again, abortion is not contraception.
 
2014-03-26 10:13:13 AM
When they shut down the abortion providers, I said nothing.

When they came for my girlfriend's birth control  I said, "meh."

When insurance wouldn't pay for my Viagra I said, "AW HELL NO!"
 
2014-03-26 10:15:13 AM
The problem is, their religion, that they CHOOSE, makes it a sin for a woman, to fark who they want when when want it.

This bullshiat is simply another attempt to force me to conform to their religious ideals.  Religious freedom my farking ass.

Fortunately, I can fark without the baby consequences.  However, I will continue to fight for my sisters right to fark whenever, whoever they want.
 
2014-03-26 10:15:29 AM

meat0918: Phoenix_M: Hobby Lobby is only asking to block 2 out of the 20 ACA approved forms of contraception. 1. The morning after pill 2. abortion. They're okay with the other 18.

Abortion is not contraception, nor is it "approved" by the ACA as a form of contraception.

The ACA did not approve any sort of contraception.  That's the jurisdiction of the FDA.  All the ACA does is mandate insurance companies pay for FDA approved methods of contraception.  Again, abortion is not contraception.


Furthermore "The Kaiser Family Foundation noted that while the mandate requires coverage for FDA-approved contraceptives, abortion coverage is specifically banned from the requirement: "
 
2014-03-26 10:16:28 AM

houginator: Neither Hobby Lobby nor the other company involved, Conetoga Wood Specialities, oppose providing birth control in general.  Out of the 20 or so FDA approved birth control/sterilization methods, they only oppose the 4 they believe are abortiofacients: Ella, Plan B, and the two types of hormonal IUDs.


Its not being misrepresentated. Those businesses claim a for-profit corporation can have religious views that give them a right to reject science-based public policy and substitute their own claims at will. If this is the case, then anyone can have an exemption for anything since religion is legally (and Protestantly) defined as "belief" in American law and culture.
 
2014-03-26 10:16:33 AM

meat0918: The ACA did not approve any sort of contraception.  That's the jurisdiction of the FDA.  All the ACA does is mandate insurance companies pay for FDA approved methods of contraception.  Again, abortion is not contraception.


Exactly.  And just because some morons who run a company think that they know the "real" difference between abortion and contraception, or they "believe" something is abortion contrary to what the FDA says, doesn't make it real.  That's just their shiatty opinion.

Hobby lobby doesn't get to decide what is or isn't an abortion or contraception based on their beliefs.  The FDA does, and they have decided.
 
2014-03-26 10:18:42 AM

HMS_Blinkin: birth control pills have a lot of useful health benefits for women beyond preventing pregnancy.


i know that, and you know that, but there are moron conservatives who seem to think that sluts have to take birth control each and every time they have the sex.  You get 30 little pills a month, must mean you are slutting it up 30 times a month.  maybe if they just shut their legs, they wouldn't get pregnant.  Never mind regulating their cycle, and preventing a whole host of issues with their lady parts.  Women on birth control are just filthy whores.
 
2014-03-26 10:19:28 AM

Dr Dreidel: houginator: Out of the 20 or so FDA approved birth control/sterilization methods, they only oppose the 4 they believe are abortiofacients: Ella, Plan B, and the two types of hormonal IUDs.

I hope SCOTUS looks at the science and says "Legal;;ly speaking, abortifacients are those drugs that expel a gestating zygote/fetus. Any drug that prevents implantation cannot also be an abortifacient" (the same way I cannot leave a room I never entered).

Problem solved, other than religion "believing" that up is down. I know the court is loathe to jump into "sincerity", but if I have a religious belief that paying taxes which fungibly fund the military is equivalent to human murder, I can't very well expect the courts to fall all over themselves to accommodate that belief in law. You can believe something all you want, but when the facts say otherwise, it shouldn't be this difficult.

And no, I don't expect this to happen.


The problem that remains, and Kennedy alluded to in the oral arguments, is what happens if the government does mandate insurance cover conventional abortions?  Does the same issue wind its way though the courts again, or does SCOTUS resolve it now?
 
2014-03-26 10:19:43 AM
Since when does a corporation have a religion? It's the CEO, and probably some of the executives, who have a problem with it, not the corporation itself. The corporation is incapable of having morals of any sort.

That, and these people really need to start actually reading their bibles. Life begins at first breath, according to the book of Job, and then there's Exodus, where causing a woman to have a miscarriage is treated solely as an assault against her, not murder. And Leviticus places no value on a child less than one month old. Hosea actually has people asking God to cause women to have miscarriages. Numbers has God causing abortions to unfaithful wives. Then you've got Genesis, where a pregnant woman is burned alive as punishment for being a prostitute.

But apparently actually reading the bible is not something Christians are expected to do.
 
2014-03-26 10:19:47 AM
How is this not a violation of the Non-Descrimination Act?  Companies are already legally mandated to violate their religious beliefs by forcing them to allow women to work outside the home and even be able to attain positions higher than their male coworkers.  If you're not allowed to say "I can't promote you because my religion states a woman can never hold power over a man", why should you be allowed to say "I can't provide you with healthcare because my religion... actually doesn't say anything about this, but dammit, I BELIEVE you shouldn't get it!"
 
2014-03-26 10:21:07 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Hobby lobby doesn't get to decide what is or isn't an abortion or contraception based on their beliefs. The FDA does, and they have decided.


It was interesting hearing the transcripts from yesterday... Especially the way the Court seemed to be dividing along gender lines on some of the issues. Also seems like there was a good deal of healthy skepticism from the court regarding Hobby Lobby's case.
 
2014-03-26 10:21:21 AM

houginator: HMS_Blinkin: I really don't get why this is such a big issue.  For the religious people, birth control pills reduce abortions.

Probably because the media has done its job to misrepresent the case.  Neither Hobby Lobby nor the other company involved, Conetoga Wood Specialities, oppose providing birth control in general.  Out of the 20 or so FDA approved birth control/sterilization methods, they only oppose the 4 they believe are abortiofacients: Ella, Plan B, and the two types of hormonal IUDs.


That's irrelevant.  Hobby Lobby wants to dictate what their employees are allowed to spend their money* on, and no matter how you look at it that's a farking awful precedent to set.  If Hobby Lobby were trying to say that their employees weren't allowed to buy alcohol, or caffeinated beverages, or ham, they'd have practically nobody supporting their position.

The religious beliefs of an employer cannot be infringed upon by how their employees choose to spend their money, or what services they choose to use, outside of the workplace.

*Insurance is part of an employee's compensation package and the money spent on it is no more Hobby Lobby's money than the employee's paycheck is.
 
2014-03-26 10:22:00 AM
Serious question, are penis covered or is this a welfare queenesque boogeyman?
 
2014-03-26 10:23:16 AM

HMS_Blinkin: It's relevant because this particular employer is trying to stop their female employees from having access to birth control, while having no problem covering the penis pumps and the viagra or the cialis.


My employer does not buy me all kinds of things.  That doesn't mean I don't have access to them.  If I really wanted to have my employer buy me a pennies pump and they wouldn't, then I would be free to find one that would.

Where the hell did I say that employers "should" be buying health insurance?  Or that it's efficient?  It's a relentlessly inefficient system.  Single-payer universal coverage is by far the best and most efficient system.  But that's a farking fantasy, and you know it.  I'm concerned with making the best of the crappy system we have now.

It is inevitable, and you should know it.  The ACA was designed to guarantee that.  But in the meantime, if you want to increase the availability of birth control, then lobby to have it be made OTC like it is in civilized countries.  It'll be cheaper and easier to get.

Which isn't to say that there should be any exemptions of any kind from the law, of course.  If the law says that permits pumps must be covered, then everyone must be forced to cover penis pumps.  No special rules because Jeebus.
 
2014-03-26 10:24:21 AM
Unless the minimum requirements for health policies under the ACA require coverage for Viagra and penis pumps, Boxer is full of shiat.
 
2014-03-26 10:24:30 AM

LectertheChef: Since when does a corporation have a religion? It's the CEO, and probably some of the executives, who have a problem with it, not the corporation itself. The corporation is incapable of having morals of any sort.

That, and these people really need to start actually reading their bibles. Life begins at first breath, according to the book of Job, and then there's Exodus, where causing a woman to have a miscarriage is treated solely as an assault against her, not murder. And Leviticus places no value on a child less than one month old. Hosea actually has people asking God to cause women to have miscarriages. Numbers has God causing abortions to unfaithful wives. Then you've got Genesis, where a pregnant woman is burned alive as punishment for being a prostitute.

But apparently actually reading the bible is not something Christians are expected to do.


They make extra sure to avoid the red text too.

"Christianity" is just a blunt force tool to these people. Fire up nationalism, fire up the colonialist ideals. Herp and derp because Jesus hates anyone not white, male and on viagra to these people.
 
2014-03-26 10:26:55 AM

houginator: The problem that remains, and Kennedy alluded to in the oral arguments, is what happens if the government does mandate insurance cover conventional abortions? Does the same issue wind its way though the courts again, or does SCOTUS resolve it now?


I'm no lawyer, but for that to happen wouldn't Congress have to stop passing the Hyde Amendment first? I mean, there's nothing to stop private insurers from voluntarily covering abortions now, but wouldn't the Hyde Amendment prevent a mandate on abortion coverage for insurance listed on the exchanges?

And I'd be happy if they at least mandated that "medically-recommended abortions" (those prescribed by a doctor) were covered (as well as prescribed BC) - you know, keep it between patients and doctors - but apparently, government needs to be small enough to fit in your doctor's office (and/or vagina).
 
2014-03-26 10:28:04 AM
So stop buying health insurance for your employees, pay the penalty, save yourself some money, and let your employees get proper coverage on the Exchange.
 
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