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(MN Vapers)   Why is the American Lung Assn against e-cigs? Because one of their major donors makes money from smoking cessation drugs   (mnvapers.com) divider line 17
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2014-03-25 07:50:19 PM
5 votes:
Okay, if "Minnesota Vapers Advocacy" says so.
433 [TotalFark]
2014-03-25 08:20:39 PM
3 votes:
Is this where I talk about my e-cigarette as if people give a shiat?
2014-03-26 11:19:54 PM
1 votes:
Hey hardinparamedic, let's review some of your recent posting history:

You telling someone they failed at reading comprehension

You patronizingly using "do go on" and "tell us more"

You telling someone they are "Incredibly, unabashedly, Heartland Foundation bought and paid for by Phillip Morris level Bullshiat wrong."

You posting semi-NSFW dildo and simulated cum shot inline

You posting another inline dildo

You posting long blocks of Latin, aka "shiatposting"

You posting your mom joke directed at another user

You posting another inline dildo

And now then there's this:

The only reason I called Elegy an idiot was because I was accused of enjoying keeping people sick. I was outright told that I enjoy watching people die of cancer.

People who don't even know me personally have accused me of being on a power trip where I enjoy abusing and harming my patients for attention.


Presumably because I cracked this:

Also not surprised hardinparamedic wants people to keep smoking. If he doesn't have sick people to help, where will his smug sense of self-importance and superiority come from?

Which obviously went way over your head because it so obviously a sarcastic crack on your behavior not your professional competence.

Well this is what I say to that:
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Suck it up, buttercup. It's time to put on your big boy pants and get onto the internet. You give as you get, and you get no sympathy for whining about how others treat you when you treat others as you have treated them.

As a bonus, you're flat out wrong and fighting on the wrong side. E-cigarettes have the potential to vastly reduce the harm from smoking. If you are serious about not wanting people to die of cancer, then read the links I posted.

Better yet, come into a thread and ask those of us who have experience with and who have researched the technology. Do you think any of us made the transition on a whim? I build my own coils from scratch and am just starting to mix my own juice - do you honestly think I haven't heavily researched what I am doing? There are numerous people here on Fark that taught me about the technology for the price of asking, and I would be happy to teach you what you obviously don't know (cooking oil for farks sake!). It's ridiculously simple.

But until you quit being a dick, you can suck it up and you can either prove your skepticism is warranted with the science you demand of everyone else or you can tuck your tail between your farking legs and slink out of here in defeat.

Be safe driving.
2014-03-26 03:35:23 PM
1 votes:

WTFDYW: Elegy: Also not surprised hardinparamedic wants people to keep smoking. If he doesn't have sick people to help, where will his smug sense of self-importance and superiority come from?

It runs naturally with his type. Have an ex sister in law and her husband who do what Hardonparamedic does. You can't farking stand to be around them for more than a few minutes. The smugness, the superiority and general disdain for us unwashed masses make you want to punch them both right in the mouth.


Ha! I thought I was the only one.

His Captain, and the State EMS Chief are pretty cool. I rattled their cage whilst doing an article about public employees wasting time.

After having to explain what a 'Brony' was, I had to wait about five minutes until the gal could catch her breath. "That explains a few things", was her eventual response.

What I found out about BronyMedic/Hardin/others is; He's not a bad kid, just extremely socially awkward, and only one brick shy of a load. He is actually well liked, and they will go out of their way to defend him.
2014-03-26 09:57:02 AM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Because, in the end, that's what it is


You are so focused on sucking cock that you can't have a conversation without bringing up your love of sucking cock.

hardinparamedic: All snark aside, can you link to those studies? I'd be genuinely interested in their quality, impact, and source publication.


No, you wouldn't.  You're a lying asshole.  You have no interest in actual facts.  You just like sucking dick and biatching.
2014-03-26 09:54:08 AM
1 votes:

Elegy: Ecigs are just another way for big tobacco to hook you


Just the opposite. Big Tobacco is what's keeping e-cigs being banned for obvious reasons.

/doesn't smoke anything
//annoyed that co-workers get to go on smoke breaks every 20 minutes
///try to go on vodka breaks and they get all pissed off
2014-03-26 07:28:35 AM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: sjcousins: He's more of a fedora-wearing, brony, nurse but yeah, probably the best course of action.

I'm not your mother last night.

Men have been murdered for less horrendous accusations, Sir. The Holocaust was established on less offensive pretenses.


Sounds like something this guy would say.
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2014-03-26 04:08:30 AM
1 votes:

wavion: sjcousins: wavion: I honestly don't give a fark what other people put in their own bodies.  But, as a PSA, the vast majority of smoking-related illness/death isn't lung cancer/emphysema/etc.  It's heart disease caused from years of stimulant use (nicotine).  e-cigs won't prevent your heart attack.  On the other hand, as a non-smoker, I love e-cigs, since I don't have to breathe other people's smoke - I really appreciate the courtesy.  So, yeah, good luck with that.

The studies that claim nicotine damages the heart do so based on observation of a symptom linked to a disease. E.g. nicotine causes increased blood pressure which is linked to cardiovascular damage therefore nicotine use over long periods could increase risk of heart disease. Meanwhile, long term studies on users of nrt, snus, snuff etc have found no difference in cardiovascular problems between users and non users. Your ecig may not prevent your heart attack, but I'll bet it won't contribute to it.

Overworking your heart over a long period of time by whatever means (obesity, stimulants, etc) leads to premature heart failure/heart attacks/etc.  This is basic science and common sense.


Yet if it doesn't show up in epidemiology you can pretty much call bs on it... And I agree, what you describe is incredibly basic science. Science works on observation, not 'common sense'.
2014-03-26 02:35:58 AM
1 votes:

hjy6: Enigmamf: hjy6: That "oil" (which is used in hospitals) is FDA approved so there's that

FDA approved for nebulized inhalation?

yes and used in smoke machines at the Disco


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2014-03-26 02:15:58 AM
1 votes:

vygramul: Eddy Gurge: [CSB]
Smoked 1-2 packs a day for 35 years.  Had my last Marlboro on January 30'th of this year after a scare with pneumonia from some strange bacterial infection.   I love(d) smoking and knew I'd never quit.  While in the hospital (for a week) I had my wife bring me a couple of the Blu cigs from 7-11 (used them in the bathroom in my room).  I was pleased enough with them that I had her get me a Halo starter kit for my return home. There's been no looking back.  Currently puffing on an iTaste 134 mini with a Kanger Aero Tank.  I'm not going back, and I don't hack and cough any more.  Oh, and I can breath, smell and taste.  Screw the ALA.
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I'd be fine if eCigs would let people know what chemicals they're using. DEG causes kidney failure and was found in some eCigs. I'm all for people putting things in their bodies... so long as they know what they're putting in their bodies. The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.


The PV variety that use e-juice generally list the ingredients in the juice. The label on mine says the following: Propylene glycol (USP grade), vegetable glycerine (USP grade), flavors, water, nicotine.

The flavors in mine are apple and cinnamon red hot. Not too hard to research precisely what ingredients make up those flavors.

Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine are in a great many foods and almost every medication on the market.

Incidentally, that is why almost no one recommends e-cigs like blu (owned by a cigarette company) or the ones you get at 7-11 and Wal-Mart--no one knows WTF the Chinese and/or the cigarette companies are putting in them. With actual personal vaporators that use a tank and juice, you know exactly what's in it.
2014-03-26 02:02:02 AM
1 votes:

hjy6: That "oil" (which is used in hospitals) is FDA approved so there's that


FDA approved for nebulized inhalation?
2014-03-26 12:33:26 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: rbuzby: Is E-Cigs just vaping tobacco?  That would be better than smoking it.

No I do not want to do any research. I have my own crap to deal with.

no tobacco. just nicotine.


well, nicotine, and other stuff.
433 [TotalFark]
2014-03-26 12:08:52 AM
1 votes:
e-cigs are a gateway to cigarettes.  Kids are going to puff on an e-cig or a vaporizer and get curious about the real deal.  All it needs is big tobacco getting their shiat in gear to have their hands in all the pockets again.  A marlboro man made by vaporizing is as good as one made through conventional cigarettes.
2014-03-25 10:42:55 PM
1 votes:
I don't see many electronic cigarette users quitting nicotine. Rather they use the e-cigs in places where they can't smoke.

So they're still hooked to a harmful drug and not quitting.
2014-03-25 09:37:25 PM
1 votes:

Cagey B: Adolf Oliver Nipples: So I guess we should just ban them.

I like how anyone saying anything negative about Our Sainted e-Cigs is in favor of banning them, even though no one has said that. You're one of those people who think being criticized is a violation of your right to free speech, aren't you?


No, I'm not. But that's the endgame, isn't it? Set the stage by creating an atmosphere of doubt, intimate that they are just as hazardous as that which they are replacing, and then regulate them out of existence. The product may be different but the playbook is the same.
2014-03-25 08:20:17 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: I'd be fine if eCigs would let people know what chemicals they're using. DEG causes kidney failure and was found in some eCigs. I'm all for people putting things in their bodies... so long as they know what they're putting in their bodies. The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.


Yep. Go and e-cig it up. Just do it with the understanding that nicotine is toxic and that there is no meaningful regulation of what goes in these things. And don't make bullshiat claims like those in TFA that e-cigs "save lives".

Also, the fact that an advocacy group feels the need to put out a horseshiat-laden press release on the subject should probably raise a couple of red flags for people.
2014-03-25 08:07:07 PM
1 votes:
But e-cigs isn't about quitting smoking; it's about taking our freedom back.  That dwarf Doorf said so.
 
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