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2014-03-26 04:34:41 AM  
I used one to quit after 18 pack-years. Haven't touched an e-cig in over a year. Haven't cheated with a real cig in over two years. I have at least 5 friends that can tell the same story. Don't tell me it's a poor cessation product.
 
2014-03-26 04:36:35 AM  
 
2014-03-26 04:36:50 AM  
sjcousins:

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2014-03-26 04:38:01 AM  

sjcousins: Notsureifserious.jpg
You might want to look that word up again champ.


Irregardless of your pedantry, you're still wrong about the "lack of risk" from Nicotine to your cardiovascular system.

Incredibly, unabashedly, Heartland Foundation bought and paid for by Phillip Morris level Bullshiat wrong.
 
2014-03-26 04:47:20 AM  

hardinparamedic: sjcousins: Notsureifserious.jpg
You might want to look that word up again champ.

Irregardless of your pedantry, you're still wrong about the "lack of risk" from Nicotine to your cardiovascular system.

Incredibly, unabashedly, Heartland Foundation bought and paid for by Phillip Morris level Bullshiat wrong.


Calm down I'm getting to you, I'm looking at the studies you linked slash preparing some crow.
 
2014-03-26 04:51:59 AM  

hardinparamedic: Sorry. Let me retry linking this.

Impact of Smokeless Tobacco Products on Cardiovascular Disease: Implications for Policy, Prevention, and Treatment
A Policy Statement From the American Heart Association

https://circ.ahajournals.org/content/122/15/1520.full

Although evidence is consistent with the suggestion that the cardiovascular risks are lower with ST products compared with cigarette smoking, ST products are not without harm. As reviewed in this statement, there is evidence that long-term ST product use may be associated with a modest risk of fatal myocardial infarction (MI) and fatal stroke, suggesting that ST product use may complicate or reduce the chance for survival after a MI or stroke. In addition, there is inadequate evidence to support the use of ST products as a smoking cessation strategy. Based on the findings reviewed in this statement, clinicians should continue to discourage use of all tobacco products and emphasize prevention of smoking initiation and smoking cessation as primary goals for tobacco control


Because abstinence only works so well.
 
2014-03-26 04:55:26 AM  

doglover: Because abstinence only works so well.


Careful lighting those strawmen on fire. It's been dry this year.
 
2014-03-26 05:00:31 AM  
Wow. Wavion. Perfect birthday present. Thought you were long gone!
 
2014-03-26 05:02:53 AM  

hardinparamedic: doglover: Because abstinence only works so well.

Careful lighting those strawmen on fire. It's been dry this year.


Sex is a vice. Smoking is a vice. People don't want to give up vices.

Tobacco is bad, vaping is less bad.

It's simple math.
 
2014-03-26 05:06:39 AM  

hardinparamedic: sjcousins: Notsureifserious.jpg
You might want to look that word up again champ.

Irregardless of your pedantry, you're still wrong about the "lack of risk" from Nicotine to your cardiovascular system.

Incredibly, unabashedly, Heartland Foundation bought and paid for by Phillip Morris level Bullshiat wrong.


E-cigs helped me kick a 35-year cigarette habit. Take that and stick it up your "irregardless pedantry." :)
 
2014-03-26 05:13:40 AM  

SuperTramp: E-cigs helped me kick a 35-year cigarette habit. Take that and stick it up your "irregardless pedantry." :)


Congratulations. You traded one form of nicotine delivery for another. One phallic shaped object for another. :)

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Because, in the end, that's what it is. If you're not using nicotine-containing fills anymore, you're just satiating an oral fixation that you could use anything for. That's like saying I replaced my nicotine gum with a pacifier.

On the other hand, the only benefit that is seen is not in cessation of smoking, but in ceasing the use of smoking tobacco products. The nicotine and the long term cardiovascular risk is still there.
 
2014-03-26 05:15:16 AM  

davidw001: Wow. Wavion. Perfect birthday present. Thought you were long gone!


shhhh. I actually am!  I made a 'shop yesterday, though. No one noticed.
 
2014-03-26 05:16:21 AM  

wavion: smugcondescendingtwat.gif


No offense dude, but I'm pretty sure you lose the right to be smug and condescending in a thread where you claimed that the vast majority of smoking related deaths are caused by heart disease from nicotine.

I mean; that's some anti-vacc level nonsense right there.
 
2014-03-26 05:22:35 AM  

Gunther: wavion: smugcondescendingtwat.gif

No offense dude, but I'm pretty sure you lose the right to be smug and condescending in a thread where you claimed that the vast majority of smoking related deaths are caused by heart disease from nicotine.

I mean; that's some anti-vacc level nonsense right there.


The only word I would change about that is "vast." More people die from heart disease than cancer, and smoking is one of the main causes.
 
2014-03-26 05:26:25 AM  

hardinparamedic: SuperTramp: E-cigs helped me kick a 35-year cigarette habit. Take that and stick it up your "irregardless pedantry." :)

Congratulations. You traded one form of nicotine delivery for another. One phallic shaped object for another. :)

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Because, in the end, that's what it is. If you're not using nicotine-containing fills anymore, you're just satiating an oral fixation that you could use anything for. That's like saying I replaced my nicotine gum with a pacifier.

On the other hand, the only benefit that is seen is not in cessation of smoking, but in ceasing the use of smoking tobacco products. The nicotine and the long term cardiovascular risk is still there.


Thank you for your vast wisdom, Dr. blowhardin.
 
2014-03-26 05:26:36 AM  

Gunther: No offense dude, but I'm pretty sure you lose the right to be smug and condescending in a thread where you claimed that the vast majority of smoking related deaths are caused by heart disease from nicotine.

I mean; that's some anti-vacc level nonsense right there.


Except that smokeless tobacco products majorly increase cardiovascular, heart attack, heart disease, and stroke risks.

"Vast majority" ARE caused by smoking tobacco. Pretending that smokeless tobacco or nicotine delivery systems are safe, and not just less dangerous, is the anti-vaxx level of nonsense.

Cardiovascular disease is a 149 Billion Dollar annual burden on the American People (and that's just cost to State and Federal programs) - with diet and tobacco product use being two of the most readily modifiable risk factors.
 
2014-03-26 05:27:57 AM  

SuperTramp: Thank you for your vast wisdom, Dr. blowhardin.


You're welcome, my good man.

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I'll get you a towel.
 
2014-03-26 05:29:26 AM  

hardinparamedic: sjcousins: Yet if it doesn't show up in epidemiology you can pretty much call bs on it... And I agree, what you describe is incredibly basic science. Science works on observation, not 'common sense'.

Yeah, about that.

From the British Medical Journal, 2009:  An association was detected between use of smokeless tobacco products and risk of fatal myocardial infarction and stroke, which does not seem to be explained by chance.

From the Journal of the American Heart and Stroke Association: Circulation, 2010: As reviewed in this statement, there is evidence that long-term ST product use may be associated with a modest risk of fatal myocardial infarction (MI) and fatal stroke, suggesting that ST product use may complicate or reduce the chance for survival after a MI or stroke.

From Epidemiology (Your source you demanded), 2008: Snuff use may elevate the risk of fatal stroke, and particularly of fatal ischemic stroke.

And from Sweeden.....

So please. Do go on. And tell us more about how nicotine alone isn't linked with cardiovascular disease.


Ok. There are studies linking nicotine use with increased risk of stroke and mi. I shouldn't be surprised.
I still don't think that's completely settled however since a number of studies have found no increased risk.
Not that it matters, but I was talking about the science of, not journal of epidemiology but you came through on both accounts, so good for you.
 
2014-03-26 05:30:35 AM  

Great Justice: Adolf Oliver Nipples: There's simply no legitimate objection to adults using e-smokes. There just isn't.

I'm not saying e-cigs or even regular cigs should be illegal, but there are certainly legitimate objections to their recreational use.

Firstly, nicotine itself is harmful.  The shape of the molecule causes damage to the circulatory system, and just about everything that increases the heart rate except exercise is bad for the heart.  I realize that alcohol also has the potential to cause harm, as does sitting around all day, and eating junk food.  Again, I'm not saying people shouldn't do these things, but I think discouraging the use of nicotine in the same ways we discourage the excessive use of alcohol and eating too much junk food is something we should encourage.  I have no qualms about people who want to use e-cigs as a smoking cessation method, but I wouldn't encourage people to take up e-cigs for recreational purposes any more than I would to take up the patch or nicotine gum for recreational purposes.  Just because they are not as harmful as normal cigarettes doesn't mean regular use won't still harm you.

Secondly, nicotine is highly addictive.  Anyone who smokes or has quit smoking can tell you how difficult it is to give up.  Any addictive drug tends to cause the addicts to divert funds from other things to their addiction, and many an ex-smoker has lamented the money wasted on cigarettes.  Becoming addicted to a drug which will influence a person's decision making is a bad thing, regardless of what drug the addiction is for.  As a society, we should be discouraging the use of nicotine in any form, except as a method for quitting nicotine.


I used to suck dick for nicotine. It's bad stuff.
 
2014-03-26 05:30:38 AM  

SuperTramp: Thank you for your vast wisdom, Dr. blowhardin.


As a side note, I'm not so much making fun of your personal experience - in which, I'd say great for you - and thank you for FINALLY letting me use a The Whitest Kids you Know sketch on FARK, but rather the attitude of "It worked for me so it must work for everyone else equally"
 
2014-03-26 05:33:06 AM  

hardinparamedic: SuperTramp: E-cigs helped me kick a 35-year cigarette habit. Take that and stick it up your "irregardless pedantry." :)

Congratulations. You traded one form of nicotine delivery for another. One phallic shaped object for another. :)





Because, in the end, that's what it is. If you're not using nicotine-containing fills anymore, you're just satiating an oral fixation that you could use anything for. That's like saying I replaced my nicotine gum with a pacifier.

On the other hand, the only benefit that is seen is not in cessation of smoking, but in ceasing the use of smoking tobacco products. The nicotine and the long term cardiovascular risk is still there.


Geez. Did nicotine kill your family or steal your girlfriend or something?
 
2014-03-26 05:33:47 AM  

sjcousins: I still don't think that's completely settled however since a number of studies have found no increased risk.


All snark aside, can you link to those studies? I'd be genuinely interested in their quality, impact, and source publication.
 
2014-03-26 05:35:54 AM  

hardinparamedic: sjcousins: I still don't think that's completely settled however since a number of studies have found no increased risk.

All snark aside, can you link to those studies? I'd be genuinely interested in their quality, impact, and source publication.


That's a pain in the ass since I'm on my phone now but I'll give it a shot.
 
2014-03-26 05:37:32 AM  
I'm guessing half of them are from MN Vapers.
 
2014-03-26 05:49:32 AM  

wavion: More people die from heart disease than cancer, and smoking is one of the main causes.


hardinparamedic: Except that smokeless tobacco products majorly increase cardiovascular, heart attack, heart disease, and stroke risks.


I'm not saying nicotine is harmless, I'm saying for wavion to claim that, and this is a direct quote; "the vast majority of smoking-related illness/death isn't lung cancer/emphysema/etc.  It's heart disease caused from years of stimulant use (nicotine)." is farking nonsense.

Now yes; nicotine by itself increases the risk of heart disease by a significant amount. The deaths caused by that don't even compare to the amount of people dying from smoking-caused cancers, even though heart disease kills more people overall than cancer. Pretending it does to attack e-cigs really is anti-vacc level bullshiat.
 
2014-03-26 05:53:49 AM  

hardinparamedic: SuperTramp: Thank you for your vast wisdom, Dr. blowhardin.

As a side note, I'm not so much making fun of your personal experience - in which, I'd say great for you - and thank you for FINALLY letting me use a The Whitest Kids you Know sketch on FARK, but rather the attitude of "It worked for me so it must work for everyone else equally"


How can you have not found a chance for WKUK?

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2014-03-26 06:06:32 AM  

wavion: davidw001: Wow. Wavion. Perfect birthday present. Thought you were long gone!

shhhh. I actually am!  I made a 'shop yesterday, though. No one noticed.


Lol l

wavion: davidw001: Wow. Wavion. Perfect birthday present. Thought you were long gone!

shhhh. I actually am!  I made a 'shop yesterday, though. No one noticed.


Your secret is safe with me. Ive been long gone for a long time. Nice job as always.
 
2014-03-26 06:07:26 AM  

hjy6: Contrary to popular belief, nicotine is not the cancer-causing agent in cigarettes. A two year study on lab mice found there to be   when given in its pure form by inhalation. If nicotine were the culprit in cigarettes, we're pretty sure the FDA would never have approved any NRT gums, patches or inhalers. It is still poisonous when ingested in large quantities so make sure your e-liquids are used properly and kept out of reach of children.


As far as I can remember my organic chemistry, which is admittedly not very far, the main carcinogen in ciggarettes are PAHs (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) which are created when any organic material burns or chars.  Grill marks on a steak contain PAHs.  Arsenic results from pesticide use and not every brand has a high arsenic content.  Cigarettes are terrible for you but only in the sense that the typical smoker uses them to extreme excess.  If a smoker enjoyed a smoke once a day or a couple times a week instead of 12-15 of them a day they probably won't be a significant cause of illness. So in a way the nicotine is what makes them so damn bad for you because the addictive behavior is what causes the abuse but you are correct in that it's not a really sensible reason to ban e-cigs.  I'd be more concerned about the other stuff in the fluid rather than the nicotine.
 
2014-03-26 06:09:45 AM  
Yes, the American Lung Association is nothing but pure scam, nothing but pure money-making scam, pure greed, it all makes sense now.
 
2014-03-26 06:11:23 AM  

Gunther: wavion: More people die from heart disease than cancer, and smoking is one of the main causes.

hardinparamedic: Except that smokeless tobacco products majorly increase cardiovascular, heart attack, heart disease, and stroke risks.

I'm not saying nicotine is harmless, I'm saying for wavion to claim that, and this is a direct quote; "the vast majority of smoking-related illness/death isn't lung cancer/emphysema/etc.  It's heart disease caused from years of stimulant use (nicotine)." is farking nonsense.

Now yes; nicotine by itself increases the risk of heart disease by a significant amount. The deaths caused by that don't even compare to the amount of people dying from smoking-caused cancers, even though heart disease kills more people overall than cancer. Pretending it does to attack e-cigs really is anti-vacc level bullshiat.


American annual deaths from lung cancer: ~150,000. Source: American Cancer Society.
American annual deaths from heart disease: ~600,000. Source: CDC.
Main causes of heart disease (also from CDC): high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and smoking.
If you say 1/3 of heart disease is influenced by smoking, that's still more than lung cancer.

I already said that I shouldn't have used the word "vast", which you blatantly ignored. But even if saying the "majority" of smoking-related deaths is from heart disease is an exaggeration, it's not nearly as distorted as you claim.
 
2014-03-26 06:11:45 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I hate to break this to you (considering your career choice), but the AMA is just a paid shill in some cases as well. It depends on who is at the helm... at one time in our nations history Doctors promoted certain brands of Cigarettes as therapeutic. I do not lend any more credence to organizations like the AMA (who may have a hidden agenda) than any other organization. There are two rules of thumb to determine if someone is full of BS:



Okay. And before you protest, I've cut out the second part because it's truly irrelevant at this point.

Let me condense what you have just said: "I don't like the results of the study, so it must not be true!"

The Journal of the American Medical Association is a high impact, peer reviewed journal which has been known for decades as a source of high quality science and guiding information for both policy makers and practitioners in a clinical setting.

If you have evidence the study is "BS" as you claim,   please present it as such. At the current time, the only evidence we have otherwise is the word of   HindiDiscoMonster, which I'm not sure of your peer review, your journalistic impact, or your renown as a reliable source of health or health policy information.

HindiDiscoMonster: do you really have no concept of history or are you being purposely obtuse?


Please provide, with a link to the full text source, the quote of the person who is saying e-cigs are outright just as dangerous as cigarettes, or should be entirely banned.
 
2014-03-26 06:17:43 AM  
hardinparamedic:  and thank you for FINALLY letting me use a The Whitest Kids you Know sketch on FARK, but rather the attitude of "It worked for me so it must work for everyone else equally"

Slow Jerking is applicable to any and all discussions on Fark or elsewhere, sir.
 
2014-03-26 06:19:37 AM  
hardinparamedic

Please provide, with a link to the full text source, the quote of the person who is saying e-cigs are outright just as dangerous as cigarettes, or should be entirely banned.

Unless I've been only dreaming that I read this thread, YOU have been arguing BUT NICOTINE!!!!1111!!
 
2014-03-26 06:21:10 AM  

SuperTramp: Unless I've been only dreaming that I read this thread, YOU have been arguing BUT NICOTINE!!!!1111!!


I've been arguing against people who think nicotine is safe or harmless.

Sorry. No sell.

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Plus, it makes you look gay.
 
2014-03-26 06:23:02 AM  
Dad always said: "follow the money".
 
2014-03-26 06:27:39 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: the AMA is just a paid shill in some cases as well. It depends on who is at the helm...


hmm...I wonder how you're going to back this statement up...


HindiDiscoMonster: at one time in our nations history Doctors promoted certain brands of Cigarettes as therapeutic.


hahahahhaha!!!! oh wow!!
 
2014-03-26 06:29:13 AM  

hardinparamedic: SuperTramp: Unless I've been only dreaming that I read this thread, YOU have been arguing BUT NICOTINE!!!!1111!!

I've been arguing against people who think nicotine is safe or harmless.

Sorry. No sell.

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Plus, it makes you look gay.



I normally enjoy your fact filled posts, but here you're just being a jerk.
 
2014-03-26 06:32:11 AM  

log_jammin: HindiDiscoMonster: at one time in our nations history Doctors promoted certain brands of Cigarettes as therapeutic.

hahahahhaha!!!! oh wow!!


That one is actually true.
 
2014-03-26 06:34:43 AM  

log_jammin: HindiDiscoMonster: the AMA is just a paid shill in some cases as well. It depends on who is at the helm...

hmm...I wonder how you're going to back this statement up...


HindiDiscoMonster: at one time in our nations history Doctors promoted certain brands of Cigarettes as therapeutic.

hahahahhaha!!!! oh wow!!


....tobacco companies regularly hosted "hospitality booths" at otolaryngology conventions from which they gave out free cigarettes, sometimes with packs embossed with the doctors' names. In major cities all over America, throat specialists were taken out to elegant dinners at which they were implored to "prescribe" their brand of cigarettes to patients with sore throats or coughs.
 
2014-03-26 06:35:59 AM  

log_jammin: hardinparamedic: SuperTramp: Unless I've been only dreaming that I read this thread, YOU have been arguing BUT NICOTINE!!!!1111!!

I've been arguing against people who think nicotine is safe or harmless.

Sorry. No sell.

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Plus, it makes you look gay.


I normally enjoy your fact filled posts, but here you're just being a jerk.


brony withdrawal?
 
2014-03-26 06:38:59 AM  

hardinparamedic: <strong><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8194100/89957245#c89957245" target="_blank">SuperTramp</a>:</strong> <em>Unless I've been only dreaming that I read this thread, YOU have been arguing BUT NICOTINE!!!!1111!!</em>

I've been arguing against people who think nicotine is safe or harmless.

Sorry. No sell.

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/HD5QoWs.jpg" width="640" height="360">

Plus, it makes you look gay.

 
2014-03-26 06:40:49 AM  

wavion: log_jammin: HindiDiscoMonster: at one time in our nations history Doctors promoted certain brands of Cigarettes as therapeutic.

hahahahhaha!!!! oh wow!!

That one is actually true.


SuperTramp: log_jammin: HindiDiscoMonster: the AMA is just a paid shill in some cases as well. It depends on who is at the helm...

hmm...I wonder how you're going to back this statement up...


HindiDiscoMonster: at one time in our nations history Doctors promoted certain brands of Cigarettes as therapeutic.

hahahahhaha!!!! oh wow!!

....tobacco companies regularly hosted "hospitality booths" at otolaryngology conventions from which they gave out free cigarettes, sometimes with packs embossed with the doctors' names. In major cities all over America, throat specialists were taken out to elegant dinners at which they were implored to "prescribe" their brand of cigarettes to patients with sore throats or coughs.


Yes, I am aware of those things. My point is that they are not evidence that the AMA is "a paid shill".

Is the american dental association a paid shill because 4 out of 5 dentists agree that using a certain toothpaste is really awesome?

If the claim is that the AMA is "a paid shill" then he needs to show a case where the AMA was paid to shill something, a doctor in the 20's saying that Pall Malls are relaxing, is a completely different thing.
 
2014-03-26 06:41:06 AM  
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2014-03-26 06:42:09 AM  

SuperTramp: brony withdrawal?


we all have our addictions
 
2014-03-26 06:45:11 AM  

wavion: log_jammin: HindiDiscoMonster: at one time in our nations history Doctors promoted certain brands of Cigarettes as therapeutic.

hahahahhaha!!!! oh wow!!

That one is actually true.


Not really. Outside of ad campaigns and doctors paid for by the cigarette companies, there was a quite large push against smoking by medical advocacy groups and researchers.

People think what the Heritage Foundation was founded for was a new idea in the 70s. It had been going on far before.
 
2014-03-26 06:46:40 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Farkingwhatever: devildog123: My FIL used to cough constantly when he had his 2 pack a day habit.  6 months into his e-cig, no more coughing.  He actually has started running, and is doing a 5K next month.  fark you ALA, e-cigs are awesome.

Same with me. I previously smoked 2 packs a day (insane). I usually coughed like the devil clearing out shiat... now, never.
The negative effects with smoking are due to TOBACCO, NOT NICOTINE. Research this, I dare you farkers.
Same reason why chewing tobacco sucks!

I used to smoke almost 2 packs of these a day (for about 25yrs):

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I tried e-cigs, not for me, so I just quit... but then again, I have always been able to do that (which is unusual)... most people can't simply quit.


I was the same way. I finished my last pack one day and decided I didn't want to buy another. I argued with my wife about how to cook the eggs for breakfast the next morning, told my brother off that afternoon. I woke up the next morning, apologized to both of them, and that was that.  Two temper tantrums from me in a single day was pretty damn significant so I have great sympathy for people who have a harder time.  It is remarkably addictive.
 
2014-03-26 06:48:11 AM  
Ok, I'm back and paying attention. Here you go. These refer to smokeless tobacco which is not just nicotine but still. I could dig deeper but I honestly don't want to. Most reviews of smoking and public health concede that nicotine plays a minuscule role in health complications compared to the chemicals produced by smoking and that are found in tobacco.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-012-9704-8#page-1
"Current snus use was not associated with risk of AMI (pooled multivariable hazard ratio 1.04, 95 % confidence interval 0.93 to 1.17). The short-term case fatality rate appeared increased in snus users (odds ratio 1.28, 95 % confidence interval 0.99 to 1.68). This study does not support any association between use of snus and development of AMI."

http://www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b3060
This is your own source but I want to point out that the author found no significant difference between smokeless tobacco users and non users (heart attack RR = 0.99, CI of 0.89 to 1.10, Stroke RR= 1.19 CI = 0.97 - 1.47). He split the groups into non fatal and fatal subgroups and then found an elevated risk of fatal heart attack and stroke in smokeless users. Why focus on the second finding and barely mention the first?
 
2014-03-26 06:57:35 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: /don't bother hitting me with a clever plastic dick picture - I don't smoke.


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2014-03-26 07:03:26 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Irrelevant.



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So take that!
 
2014-03-26 07:04:41 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I see my initial instinct was correct.... adios

You are an extremist.


No. I'm giving you the exact level of seriousness you deserve to garner after your i nitial comment in this thread to me.
 
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