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2014-03-26 12:18:30 AM

rockforever: If you use that shait as much as you did cigarettes you'll have other problems.


Because you say so, eh? The thing about long-term e-cig usage data is that it doesn't exist. What you say is possible but is hardly a forgone conclusion at this time. What research backs up your position?
 
2014-03-26 12:19:42 AM

433: e-cigs are a gateway to cigarettes.  Kids are going to puff on an e-cig or a vaporizer and get curious about the real deal.  All it needs is big tobacco getting their shiat in gear to have their hands in all the pockets again.  A marlboro man made by vaporizing is as good as one made through conventional cigarettes.


You are either a troll or so stupid you should just go run to your nearest highway and play in traffic, idiot.
 
2014-03-26 12:20:58 AM
I said before I quit, and I'll say it again after 2 years being nicotine free...sometimes you just need that nicotine pickme up. The world.is a safer place because of it. I'm just happy ri see people have "safer" alternatives. Combustion is bad.
 
2014-03-26 12:22:53 AM
It's sad to think the ALA would rather have me die of lung cancer. This pathetic organization needs to go.
 
2014-03-26 12:23:39 AM
The kids in my neighborhood agree - sucking down nicotine with fruit flavors is waaaay cooler. Sure, some folks use them to quit smoking, but as everyone in my neighborhood is marketing them to teens and young adults (who aren't actually taking up smoking), it's clear that what we're seeing is a push by nicotine producers to aggressively open a new market for their addictive substance. Sure, it's more socially acceptable than smoking, but so is just about every addictive drug in pill form, too.

"Improved delivery vehicle for nicotine", not "nicotine cessation device." Not when more folks are getting hooked on nicotine. It's not fooling anyone.
 
2014-03-26 12:23:57 AM

433: Is this where I talk about my e-cigarette as if people give a shiat?


no. this is where you go to act like you don't give a shiat , and think people give a shiat that you don't give a shiat, even though you gave enough of a shiat to post.
 
2014-03-26 12:27:59 AM

untaken_name: rockforever: If you use that shait as much as you did cigarettes you'll have other problems.

Because you say so, eh? The thing about long-term e-cig usage data is that it doesn't exist. What you say is possible but is hardly a forgone conclusion at this time. What research backs up your position?


Scroll up the page.
 
2014-03-26 12:28:37 AM
Is E-Cigs just vaping tobacco?  That would be better than smoking it.

No I do not want to do any research. I have my own crap to deal with.
 
2014-03-26 12:30:49 AM

hardinparamedic: The profit motive doesn't make any sense here. Members of the American Lung Association, primarily Physicians and their practice employees, stand to make BILLIONS from people from the harm caused by cigarette smoking, tobacco use, second-hand smoke, and even e-cigarettes.

COPD alone cost 49.9 billion dollars in direct and indirect healthcare costs from patients in 2010. In addition, these are patients who will be spending that money for the rest of their natural life, not just for even a few years with smoking cessation aids.

This is nothing but a rehashing of the "Pharma Profit Gambit" that clogs up the intertubes.


"Doesn't make any sense"

"stand to make BILLIONS from people"

Welcome to 2014
 
2014-03-26 12:31:26 AM

rbuzby: Is E-Cigs just vaping tobacco?  That would be better than smoking it.

No I do not want to do any research. I have my own crap to deal with.


no tobacco. just nicotine.
 
2014-03-26 12:31:34 AM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: "Do you understand the absurdity in what you're saying? The people who are switching to e-cigarettes are people who are no longer smoking."

Except when you watch the black and white ads with puffs of vapor, you get the funny feeling that maybe they are trying to target new smokers.

Still, if they can prove there is no risk of second hand smoke, I say let them have them- but they should fall under the same rules for advertising, except maybe let cigarette companies put adds on cigarette packages to get people to switch.
 
2014-03-26 12:31:50 AM
ECigs still needs more research and studies on their effects to users and those around them.

That's all I'm saying on the subject, the usual group of deniers can pound sand.
 
2014-03-26 12:33:26 AM

log_jammin: rbuzby: Is E-Cigs just vaping tobacco?  That would be better than smoking it.

No I do not want to do any research. I have my own crap to deal with.

no tobacco. just nicotine.


well, nicotine, and other stuff.
 
2014-03-26 12:34:18 AM
I honestly don't give a fark what other people put in their own bodies.  But, as a PSA, the vast majority of smoking-related illness/death isn't lung cancer/emphysema/etc.  It's heart disease caused from years of stimulant use (nicotine).  e-cigs won't prevent your heart attack.  On the other hand, as a non-smoker, I love e-cigs, since I don't have to breathe other people's smoke - I really appreciate the courtesy.  So, yeah, good luck with that.
 
2014-03-26 12:34:26 AM
Tried this out about two years ago and a month later I put it in a drawer and forgot about it.

Not as good as an actual cigarette (even if it is better for you. Forget about smoking them indoors, unless you are a big fan of dirty looks. Oh, and did I mention that I looked like a bozo puffing on a plastic tube.

Not for me. Although I'm sure I'll try them again someday.
 
2014-03-26 12:34:28 AM
PFFT I quit cold turkey 1st try. The rest of you are pussies with no will power.
 
2014-03-26 12:34:44 AM

log_jammin: rbuzby: Is E-Cigs just vaping tobacco?  That would be better than smoking it.

No I do not want to do any research. I have my own crap to deal with.

no tobacco. just nicotine.


Thanks.
 
2014-03-26 12:36:29 AM

HoratioGates: Adolf Oliver Nipples: "Do you understand the absurdity in what you're saying? The people who are switching to e-cigarettes are people who are no longer smoking."

Except when you watch the black and white ads with puffs of vapor, you get the funny feeling that maybe they are trying to target new smokers.


That's what I think too. In fact, the only two people that I know who vape were not smokers before they started vaping. They both went to work for vape stores/kiosks and then picked up the product and habit. Obviously two is not a huge information sample, and I don't know a lot of smokers, so it could be that I'm not hanging out with the right people to make a call on this one. But I do know for a fact that at least some people are going about it that way, from non-smoker to full time vaping, instead of using them to quit cigarettes.
 
2014-03-26 12:38:18 AM
Very interesting revelation, considering the high number of Farkers who mistakenly believe the e-cig to be a smoking cessation device.
 
2014-03-26 12:38:21 AM

devildog123: My FIL used to cough constantly when he had his 2 pack a day habit.  6 months into his e-cig, no more coughing.  He actually has started running, and is doing a 5K next month.  fark you ALA, e-cigs are awesome.


E-cigs are bettter than regular cigarettes, but they still will increase your risk of heart attack and stroke by a crapload. Nicotine is what does the cardiac damage in cigarettes, and as many smokers die from heart disease and stroke as lung cancer. So, if you're a nicotine addict, e-cigs are better than tobacco, but they're still not "awesome." Completely quitting, that's awesome.
 
2014-03-26 12:39:15 AM
I hope the vaporization thing from the tobacco companies doesn't confuse and mal-affect the marijuana legalization effort.
 
2014-03-26 12:39:54 AM

rockforever: Eddy Gurge: [CSB]
Smoked 1-2 packs a day for 35 years.  Had my last Marlboro on January 30'th of this year after a scare with pneumonia from some strange bacterial infection.   I love(d) smoking and knew I'd never quit.  While in the hospital (for a week) I had my wife bring me a couple of the Blu cigs from 7-11 (used them in the bathroom in my room).  I was pleased enough with them that I had her get me a Halo starter kit for my return home. There's been no looking back.  Currently puffing on an iTaste 134 mini with a Kanger Aero Tank.  I'm not going back, and I don't hack and cough any more.  Oh, and I can breath, smell and taste.  Screw the ALA.
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From Lung disease to a new disease. If you use that shait as much as you did cigarettes you'll have other problems. I know the article is about the ALA and Lung Cancer, but you are niave if you think this is some magic cure. You won't get the effects but those kids starting at 18 will.

/I know, who cares about them amiright!


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2014-03-26 12:40:54 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Very interesting revelation, considering the high number of Farkers who mistakenly believe the e-cig to be a smoking cessation device.


And you consider it a ____?
 
2014-03-26 12:44:51 AM
Typical smoker conspiracy theories.

The ALA doesn't like smoking OR e-cigs. Personally, I don't care, but I really don't like vapers puffing on public transit (i.e. BART in San Francisco). They need to be regulated. I would rejoice if they destroy big tobacco. I just don't want my kids to get hooked on easy nicotine.
 
2014-03-26 12:45:11 AM

433: I don't know how wise it is to be inhaling vegetable oil


The bolded portion should have prevented the rest.
 
2014-03-26 12:46:13 AM
All I know it has got to be some nefarious reason like this. It can't possibly be because they're bad for you in ways not fully understood yet. Nope, it must be some sort of conspiracy involving the highest levels of government, money laundering, the greys, and possibly Elvis.
 
2014-03-26 12:46:39 AM

Kuta: Typical smoker conspiracy theories.

The ALA doesn't like smoking OR e-cigs. Personally, I don't care, but I really don't like vapers puffing on public transit (i.e. BART in San Francisco). They need to be regulated. I would rejoice if they destroy big tobacco. I just don't want my kids to get hooked on easy nicotine.


Most vapers I speak or interact with on the web want regulation, so long as it is about age restrictions, and quality control.
 
2014-03-26 12:46:52 AM

nyseattitude: The My Little Pony Killer: Very interesting revelation, considering the high number of Farkers who mistakenly believe the e-cig to be a smoking cessation device.

And you consider it a ____?


It's an alternative nicotine delivery mechanism, one that satisfies a lot of the psychological cravings of cigarette smokers. Instead of quitting smoking completely because it's becoming socially unacceptable, you can switch to vaping and continue to double or quadruple your risk of heart attack and stroke. Also, as smoking is becoming uncool with the kidz, vaping nicotine fills that essential hook-them-young niche. It even comes in bubble gum flavor!
 
2014-03-26 12:46:58 AM

Eddy Gurge: [CSB]
Smoked 1-2 packs a day for 35 years.  Had my last Marlboro on January 30'th of this year after a scare with pneumonia from some strange bacterial infection.   I love(d) smoking and knew I'd never quit.  While in the hospital (for a week) I had my wife bring me a couple of the Blu cigs from 7-11 (used them in the bathroom in my room).  I was pleased enough with them that I had her get me a Halo starter kit for my return home. There's been no looking back.  Currently puffing on an iTaste 134 mini with a Kanger Aero Tank.  I'm not going back, and I don't hack and cough any more.  Oh, and I can breath, smell and taste.  Screw the ALA.
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Eddy, I wish you all the best. Keep going! Keep on accomplishing goals. Your story is inspiring.
 
2014-03-26 12:48:10 AM

Kevin Lomax: All I know it has got to be some nefarious reason like this. It can't possibly be because they're bad for you in ways not fully understood yet. Nope, it must be some sort of conspiracy involving the highest levels of government, money laundering, the greys, and possibly Elvis.


If they keep looking, they might find a reason that they are "bad". So far, they don't have much but FUD.
 
2014-03-26 12:48:12 AM

AirForceVet: I don't see many electronic cigarette users quitting nicotine. Rather they use the e-cigs in places where they can't smoke.

So they're still hooked to a harmful drug and not quitting.


While nicotine is harmfull in certain dosages, regular cigarettes and e-cigarettes have similar amounts of nicotine.

When I started using e-cigarettes regularly, I used juice with a nicotine level similar to full flavored tobacco. I have, since, gone to a juice that has a nicotine level equivalent to a light cigarette. But the overall experience i.e. throat hit, volume of vapor, etc... is the same as the full flavored cigarettes.

I plan to go to juice with an even lower nicotine level. I hope to get to a product with zero nicotine within the next 11-16 months.

But, regardless of any of that, I'm happy to have gone beyond all of the other crap found in regular cigarettes and only be dealing with the nicotine content as a serious health concern.
 
2014-03-26 12:48:16 AM

vygramul: ......... The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.


THANK YOU.
 
2014-03-26 12:50:40 AM
I quit smoking by moving to snus and dip because theybare less harmful than cigs...even though they have their own risks

Tried a blu cig. Nevervwent back to dip OR cigs. The coffee and tobacco flavored blu cigs are farking good..no reason to ever go back to tobacco.
 
2014-03-26 12:52:47 AM

LazyMedia: It even comes in bubble gum flavor!


Because only children like "sweet". Sugar is more addictive and destructive. Better ban it.
 
2014-03-26 12:53:07 AM

hardinparamedic: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The controversy about e-cigarettes exists not because they are harmful, but because of control.

Some people might disagree with you on that.


Yeah..ONE harmful chemical vs 4,000,harmful ones.

Gee...lemme think which is better....
 
2014-03-26 12:55:33 AM
At least they ate cutting back on the discredited secondhand smoke bs campaign that makes anti-vacc seem credible.
I hate smokers too, but without them who will subsidize our houses? Fat people nearly rioted in NY when told to slow it down.
 
2014-03-26 12:55:57 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: hardinparamedic: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The controversy about e-cigarettes exists not because they are harmful, but because of control.

Some people might disagree with you on that.

Yeah..ONE harmful chemical vs 4,000,harmful ones.

Gee...lemme think which is better....


NO NEW FIX OLD!
 
2014-03-26 01:06:19 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: I quit smoking by moving to snus and dip because theybare less harmful than cigs...even though they have their own risks

Tried a blu cig. Nevervwent back to dip OR cigs. The coffee and tobacco flavored blu cigs are farking good..no reason to ever go back to tobacco.


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2014-03-26 01:07:48 AM
Your blog sucks.
 
2014-03-26 01:08:15 AM

vygramul: Eddy Gurge: [CSB]
Smoked 1-2 packs a day for 35 years.  Had my last Marlboro on January 30'th of this year after a scare with pneumonia from some strange bacterial infection.   I love(d) smoking and knew I'd never quit.  While in the hospital (for a week) I had my wife bring me a couple of the Blu cigs from 7-11 (used them in the bathroom in my room).  I was pleased enough with them that I had her get me a Halo starter kit for my return home. There's been no looking back.  Currently puffing on an iTaste 134 mini with a Kanger Aero Tank.  I'm not going back, and I don't hack and cough any more.  Oh, and I can breath, smell and taste.  Screw the ALA.
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I'd be fine if eCigs would let people know what chemicals they're using. DEG causes kidney failure and was found in some eCigs. I'm all for people putting things in their bodies... so long as they know what they're putting in their bodies. The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.


The free market says if you're so concerned about what's in them and other people share your concern, you've got a hell of a business opportunity selling lab analyses of various ecig formulas. Just a thought.
 
2014-03-26 01:12:08 AM
When e cigs finally caught up to being worth it - i thru away my ashtray! (20 YEAR smoker) started with disposables and then switched to  INNOKIN it has been 9 months and have NO reason nor inclination to got back to being the smelly smoker.

 The only drawback that I can see is... when you smoke a cig It goes OUT - which lets you know you are done for one cig - with vaping NO such thing. And I FEEL so much better!!!!!
one more
http://ecigarettereviewed.com/top-20-rebuttals-to-win-an-e-cigarette -d ebate

I know that teens that vape that have NEVER smoked... which I find disturbing... what is that about??
 
2014-03-26 01:14:41 AM

nyseattitude: hardinparamedic: The profit motive doesn't make any sense here. Members of the American Lung Association, primarily Physicians and their practice employees, stand to make BILLIONS from people from the harm caused by cigarette smoking, tobacco use, second-hand smoke, and even e-cigarettes.

COPD alone cost 49.9 billion dollars in direct and indirect healthcare costs from patients in 2010. In addition, these are patients who will be spending that money for the rest of their natural life, not just for even a few years with smoking cessation aids.

This is nothing but a rehashing of the "Pharma Profit Gambit" that clogs up the intertubes.

"Doesn't make any sense"

"stand to make BILLIONS from people"

Welcome to 2014


Hello folks. Posts like this happen every day on FARK.com. Sadly, they are all too common examples of people who failed reading comprehension. But you can be part of the solution, not the problem. For only five bucks a month, you can supply basic reading material to these poor posters to improve their ability to understand complex messages being conveyed.

Won't you please help?
 
2014-03-26 01:20:28 AM

Cagey B: vygramul: I'd be fine if eCigs would let people know what chemicals they're using. DEG causes kidney failure and was found in some eCigs. I'm all for people putting things in their bodies... so long as they know what they're putting in their bodies. The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.

Yep. Go and e-cig it up. Just do it with the understanding that nicotine is toxic and that there is no meaningful regulation of what goes in these things. And don't make bullshiat claims like those in TFA that e-cigs "save lives".

Also, the fact that an advocacy group feels the need to put out a horseshiat-laden press release on the subject should probably raise a couple of red flags for people.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/is-nicotine-really-any-diffe re nt-than-caffeine-20130620
 
2014-03-26 01:21:34 AM

hjy6: I know that teens that vape that have NEVER smoked... which I find disturbing... what is that about??


Kids trying something that looks like smoking, but it's not going to kill them.
 
2014-03-26 01:26:40 AM

s2s2s2: ... Sugar is more addictive and destructive.


FWIW, your LGT an advertisement, not a peer-reviewed paper in a scientific journal.

And sugar is found everywhere in nature.  Not just in fruits and dairy, but also most species of wild lollipop.
 
2014-03-26 01:28:06 AM

s2s2s2: hjy6: I know that teens that vape that have NEVER smoked... which I find disturbing... what is that about??

Kids trying something that looks like smoking, but it's not going to kill them.


EXACTLY
 
2014-03-26 01:28:53 AM

vygramul: Eddy Gurge: [CSB]
Smoked 1-2 packs a day for 35 years.  Had my last Marlboro on January 30'th of this year after a scare with pneumonia from some strange bacterial infection.   I love(d) smoking and knew I'd never quit.  While in the hospital (for a week) I had my wife bring me a couple of the Blu cigs from 7-11 (used them in the bathroom in my room).  I was pleased enough with them that I had her get me a Halo starter kit for my return home. There's been no looking back.  Currently puffing on an iTaste 134 mini with a Kanger Aero Tank.  I'm not going back, and I don't hack and cough any more.  Oh, and I can breath, smell and taste.  Screw the ALA.
[/CSB]

I'd be fine if eCigs would let people know what chemicals they're using. DEG causes kidney failure and was found in some eCigs. I'm all for people putting things in their bodies... so long as they know what they're putting in their bodies. The Free Market can only work with information available to everyone in the transaction.


I know what's in my e-liquid. DEG was found, as a trace impurity, in ONE prefilled cartridge out of 100 sampled in an early FDA study.

The main ingredient in e-cig liquid is propylene glycol, which is GRAS. When inhaled, it is converted by the body to lactic acid and excreted as urine. It has been studied extensively.

The only reasons for any backlashes or bans are that e-cigs do closely resemble a product that has been proven to kill people (cigarettes) and legislation is easier than education -- especially when several large companies stand to lose the cut they've been taking by perpetuating a public health problem.
 
2014-03-26 01:30:45 AM
Contrary to popular belief, nicotine is not the cancer-causing agent in cigarettes. A two year study on lab mice found there to be   when given in its pure form by inhalation. If nicotine were the culprit in cigarettes, we're pretty sure the FDA would never have approved any NRT gums, patches or inhalers. It is still poisonous when ingested in large quantities so make sure your e-liquids are used properly and kept out of reach of children.
 
2014-03-26 01:32:07 AM

hardinparamedic: Oh, also? Those e-Cigs? They're not as grand as you claim they are:

From the Journal of the American Medical Association


I can has Link to full article?
 
2014-03-26 01:34:08 AM

autopsybeverage: I can has Link to full article?


I can't even get access, and I have a SpringerLink account at work. :(
 
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