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(Salon)   The women on the US Supreme Court give Hobby Lobby a three way pounding. Now you're thinking about Ginsburg in a sexual way   (salon.com) divider line 251
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2014-03-25 11:14:39 PM  

EnderX: Passive Aggressive Larry: You're not a church, you're a business, shut the fark up about your religion, treat your employees fairly, and get back to work.

So we should force Chick-Fil-A to open on Sundays then?


Do you really think this a legit question?
 
2014-03-25 11:14:41 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: scottydoesntknow: Wait, was I not supposed to before?


/Ohh yea, you're my baby, Ruth

I prefer Justice Sotomayor, myself.


I prefer myself to Justice Sotomayor.
 
2014-03-25 11:15:09 PM  

Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.


Uh huh, and contraception that is used to treat a medical condition would fall where in your explanation of how it works"?
 
2014-03-25 11:15:11 PM  

PastryChef: Because he doesn't think contraception is good, this asshat wants to control the religious expression of all of his employees instead. Because if he doesn't want you to have contraception, then dang nab it, you shouldn't have access to it!
And family planning is an important part of women's health issues.


THIS!!

Because if your employer doesn't pay for your birth control there is absolutely no other way to get it.
 
2014-03-25 11:17:04 PM  

Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.


I personally tend to view contraceptives as preventative care, but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?
 
2014-03-25 11:18:01 PM  

nucrash: Lee Jackson Beauregard: EnderX: Well that article wasn't slant much Left............NOT!

*Everything* slants left if you think Fox Propaganda is fair and balanced.

I cut off the right legs to my table and according to Fox News, it still slants left.


From my point of view you cut off the left legs.
 
2014-03-25 11:18:07 PM  

tinyarena: Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.

Wow, you're so totally wrong.
"It is well established that oral contraceptives are essential health care because they prevent unintended pregnancies," said study author Rachel K. Jones. "This study shows that there are other important health reasons why oral contraceptives should be readily available to the millions of women who rely on them each year."

Polycystic ovarian syndrome
Endometriosis
Lower ovarian cancer risk
Regulation of irregular menstruation

But you just go on being wrong, mmmkay?


My wife uses it to completely control Catamenial Epilepsy.

/vasectomy

The only assholes that don't see it as medicine are the ones that actually see it as a tool for pussy to escape the control of men.
 
2014-03-25 11:18:17 PM  

EnderX: Passive Aggressive Larry: You're not a church, you're a business, shut the fark up about your religion, treat your employees fairly, and get back to work.

So we should force Chick-Fil-A to open on Sundays then?


So far as I know selecting which hours you will be open for business isn't against the law.
 
2014-03-25 11:21:09 PM  

Callous: nucrash: Lee Jackson Beauregard: EnderX: Well that article wasn't slant much Left............NOT!

*Everything* slants left if you think Fox Propaganda is fair and balanced.

I cut off the right legs to my table and according to Fox News, it still slants left.

From my point of view you cut off the left legs.


Now I have to cut them off too
 
2014-03-25 11:21:41 PM  

physt: So tired of special rights for religion...


I know huh?

It's almost like these people think they have some kind of right to practice religion any way they see fit.
 
2014-03-25 11:23:48 PM  

ciberido: EnderX: Passive Aggressive Larry: You're not a church, you're a business, shut the fark up about your religion, treat your employees fairly, and get back to work.

So we should force Chick-Fil-A to open on Sundays then?

So far as I know selecting which hours you will be open for business isn't against the law.


Actually, there are local laws in a lot of places that specify when some businesses can do business - like so-called "blue" laws, that forbid the sale of alcohol on Sunday, or at certain hours. These laws have not been found unconstitutional.
 
2014-03-25 11:24:03 PM  

debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?


My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?
 
2014-03-25 11:24:19 PM  

Callous: physt: So tired of special rights for religion...

I know huh?

It's almost like these people think they have some kind of right to practice religion any way they see fit.


You do realize that this isn't how it works, right?
 
2014-03-25 11:26:33 PM  

jso2897: ciberido: EnderX: Passive Aggressive Larry: You're not a church, you're a business, shut the fark up about your religion, treat your employees fairly, and get back to work.

So we should force Chick-Fil-A to open on Sundays then?

So far as I know selecting which hours you will be open for business isn't against the law.

Actually, there are local laws in a lot of places that specify when some businesses can do business - like so-called "blue" laws, that forbid the sale of alcohol on Sunday, or at certain hours. These laws have not been found unconstitutional.


They don't just "prevent the sale of alcohol"; here in PA a bar cannot be open on Sunday unless it also serves food.  And until recently, beer distributors could not be open at all on Sunday, even if they conducted other business.

Contra-wise, your boss can't make you work on your sabbath/holy day
 
2014-03-25 11:26:39 PM  
My religious preferences and choices are not at all a part of an application or job interview. In fact, it is not legal for them to ask about it. As an employee, I give precisely zero farks what your religious preferences are, because they are not a part of my job.

My medical records and treatment are also not a part of my responsibility to a potential employer. You aren't asking about my medical history, and I am not providing that information during an interview, nor as a part of my actual work.

What insurance pays for and covers for my medical needs are "not your business" unless there is a reason for it to be, and unless it involves time off for lengthy care, you can be absolutely certain that it will remain none of your business.

You don't get access to my prescription history by being my employer. Whatever your religious beliefs are, as your employee, there is no reason that what I need insurance for and what you believe should cross paths.

Suck it, and stop trying to dictate my health based on your religion that I am not required to be a part of in order to offer my abilities and experience as your employee.
 
2014-03-25 11:28:02 PM  

Callous: physt: So tired of special rights for religion...

I know huh?

It's almost like these people think they have some kind of right to practice religion any way they see fit.


You mean "impose religion as they see fit"

I don't care what puke you throw up as decor, but if you as an employer force me to pray East five times a day, you can get bent. If you fire me because I won't eat Fish on Friday, you can get bent. Pray as you want, practice as you want, just don't force me to endure your simpleminded ness.
 
2014-03-25 11:28:27 PM  

Callous: physt: So tired of special rights for religion...

I know huh?

It's almost like these people think they have some kind of right to practice religion any way they see fit.


People do.  Companies, not so much.

See, people who own a company ARE NOT that company.  That's why the person pays their own taxes AND the company pays it's own, separate, taxes.  They're two separate entities.  So the company, being an inanimate object, does not have a religion and should not be able to discriminate based on religious grounds.
 
2014-03-25 11:31:20 PM  

debug: Callous: physt: So tired of special rights for religion...

I know huh?

It's almost like these people think they have some kind of right to practice religion any way they see fit.

People do.  Companies, not so much.



Actually people don't either.
 
2014-03-25 11:31:36 PM  

kronicfeld: Sweet. Can't wait to found my Sharia-based law firm.


Conversely, my Satanic firm will have the single-most stringent birth control policy: mandatory birth control for all but the best and brightest (upper management).

Verily the Dark Lord's will shall be done. Hail, "Religious Freedom"!
 
2014-03-25 11:31:51 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?


Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.
 
2014-03-25 11:32:26 PM  
The question is unrelated to this law as Kennedy raised it, but what would prevent government from mandating abortion coverage in the future? There would be no constitutional argument against it.
 
2014-03-25 11:32:37 PM  

EnderX: Russ1642: The problem here isn't that Hobby Lobby is complaining about providing health coverage. The problem is a system where your employer has anything whatsoever to do with your general health coverage.

Health coverage IS a benefit that a company's offers you to entice you to except accept their job offer.


I'm guessing that you aren't employed as an editor or copywriter.  His point, which seems to have escaped you, is that health coverage should be universal rather than a benefit for (some of) the employed.  That kind of system seems to work for every other first world country.  And many second and third worlds as well.
 
2014-03-25 11:33:35 PM  
Lot of idiocy in this thread. You people DO know that Hobby Lobby DOES cover the pill--the only thing it doesn't cover are IUDs and the Morning After Pill (both of which they consider abortifacients).  Birth control pills used for hormone regulation and other medical problems are covered by the company. No company, as far as I know is required to pay for abortions. (Although there are plenty of people in this forum who entitledly caterwaul that the government refusing to pay for abortion on demand is some kind of Crime Against Women. ) I say again: idiocy.

Pregnancy is NOT a "dangerous medical condition" It's the natural result of unprotected sex and is an absolute necessity for the continuation of the human race. I would agree that pregnancy COULD be considered a "stupid, civilization-wrecking condition" if it's done by people who don't have the means (or a stable enough relationship) to support a child. Which is why I would encourage private businesses and charities to donate low-maintenance birth control to women at risk. But strong-arming EVERYONE into paying for birth control via the government is a form of tyranny which may come back to bite us in the end.  Birth control and family planning are far too important to be left to the inept social engineering of the government.
 
2014-03-25 11:33:37 PM  

debug: Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.

I personally tend to view contraceptives as preventative care, but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?


Who is really paying though?  Women are more expensive to insure, and the chance of complicated pregnancies scare the beejeesus out of the underwriters, I'm sure.  I'm not an insurance professional, but I'd wager that if anything... a plan that covers (even encourages) all kinds of family planning and contraception results in a lower group premium.  I would like to see the numbers illustrating the actual cost difference in a plan that "covers" birth control pills versus one that doesn't.

But... let us not fool ourselves into thinking this is somehow about cost.  This is purely about Hobby Lobby trying to regulate the behavior of their employees in a way that they just don't have the balls to do in actual policy.  They are bending the ACA to their own puritanical means, which is really kind of evil when you think about it.
 
2014-03-25 11:35:31 PM  

debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.


One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.
 
2014-03-25 11:38:32 PM  

Callous: physt: So tired of special rights for religion...

I know huh?

It's almost like these people think they have some kind of right to practice religion any way they see fit.


The whole point of "religious freedom" as construct in America is to protect us from the rule of the Church, not to compel us into someone else's religious practice.  No one is trying to tell anyone how to practice their religion... except for Hobby Lobby.  That is why there is a such a big dust-up over these ridiculously cheap and useful pills.
 
2014-03-25 11:38:34 PM  

debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.


Please tell me that you're not really that farking stupid.

That's like saying: my insurance covers morphine, so it has to cover aspirin as well.

/if we could make the birth control pill OTC, I would prefer that, but we can't. Hence my point.
 
2014-03-25 11:39:31 PM  

yourmomlovestetris: Lot of idiocy in this thread. You people DO know that Hobby Lobby DOES cover the pill--the only thing it doesn't cover are IUDs and the Morning After Pill (both of which they consider abortifacients). Birth control pills used for hormone regulation and other medical problems are covered by the company. No company, as far as I know is required to pay for abortions. (Although there are plenty of people in this forum who entitledly caterwaul that the government refusing to pay for abortion on demand is some kind of Crime Against Women. ) I say again: idiocy.


Well then it's a good thing that neither the government nor the medical industry considers IUDS or or the morning after pill an abortifacient.
 
2014-03-25 11:39:37 PM  

jst3p: debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.

One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.


I've never had a health insurance plan that paid for anything OTC.  That's how they have always done it - and this guy thinks they should just change it for him, because he has arbitrarily decided it should be about birth control..
 
2014-03-25 11:40:03 PM  

jst3p: debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.

One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.


And can be obtained for free at any family planning clinic (unless that's changed since3 I took my girlfriend there in college).
 
2014-03-25 11:42:01 PM  

EnderX: Well that article wasn't slant much Left............NOT!


Your double negative much confuse me.
 
2014-03-25 11:42:51 PM  

Theaetetus: DamnYankees: Justice Anthony Kennedy seems to believe this is a case about abortion.

Oy. That makes it 5-4.


Well, technically it is about abortion. The only two (or four) types of "comtraception" they are seeking an exemption for are those that act like (I can't think of the correct term) abotiates, like The Morning After Pill. The companies lawyer has a very compelling case.
 
2014-03-25 11:44:24 PM  

Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.


How is contraception not preventative care?
 
2014-03-25 11:44:37 PM  
Solution:  Hobby Lobby employees shall only be allowed to have oral and/or anal sex.  GoPros shall be worn at all times to ensure compliance.  And a new profit stream.
 
2014-03-25 11:45:14 PM  
Dear America, your priorities are messed the Fark up.  I can't believe this is even an issue.
 
2014-03-25 11:46:15 PM  

debug: jst3p: debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.

One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.

And can be obtained for free at any family planning clinic (unless that's changed since3 I took my girlfriend there in college).


My wife's birth control runs $140/mo. without coverage, and it's the only one of four she's been on that doesn't drive her completely mad.  But, go on, tell us how it's free again.

/hint:  a lot of shiat is "free" in college
 
2014-03-25 11:47:27 PM  

debug: Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.

I personally tend to view contraceptives as preventative care, but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?


Because the birth control pill treats other conditions than just preventing pregnancy. Next question?
 
2014-03-25 11:47:46 PM  

trailerpimp: So if the muslim running my 7-Eleven down the street doesn't want to hire a woman clerk coz you know, she's a woman, he's protected on religious grounds, right?  And if he doesn't want his daughter to have a big cummer he has his cleric buddy cut her clit off and then beats her on religious ground, right?  And even if she has a SMOKIN' body he still drapes her in 5 layers in cloth but that's OK on religious grounds, right?
Some things seem to be OK, and others....


wouldnt it be more rational to just ban all religion and be done with it?
treat it like the delusion and brainwashing that it is?

MEH
no worries, it is on the way out in the western world, and even the US is catching up.
too bad that other religion is growing like crazy
 
2014-03-25 11:48:29 PM  

emersonbiggins: debug: jst3p: debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.

One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.

And can be obtained for free at any family planning clinic (unless that's changed since3 I took my girlfriend there in college).

My wife's birth control runs $140/mo. without coverage, and it's the only one of four she's been on that doesn't drive her completely mad.  But, go on, tell us how it's free again.

/hint:  a lot of shiat is "free" in college


STILL???
LOL
so she is pocketing the money ...
:D
 
2014-03-25 11:49:19 PM  

debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.


BCP is available by prescription only. Condoms are available all over the damn place, often for free.
 
2014-03-25 11:49:23 PM  

EnderX: Well that article wasn't slant much Left............NOT!


dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2014-03-25 11:49:49 PM  

yourmomlovestetris: Lot of idiocy in this thread.


Indeed.  You really didn't need to add to it.  We already had enough before you posted.
 
2014-03-25 11:50:09 PM  

emersonbiggins: debug: jst3p: debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.

One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.

And can be obtained for free at any family planning clinic (unless that's changed since3 I took my girlfriend there in college).

My wife's birth control runs $140/mo. without coverage, and it's the only one of four she's been on that doesn't drive her completely mad.  But, go on, tell us how it's free again.

/hint:  a lot of shiat is "free" in college


Mine are currently running $50 a pack, and last year I had to try 3 different packs to get the right dosage. Turns out I don't do well on high estrogen pills.
 
2014-03-25 11:50:19 PM  

SundaesChild: debug: Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.

I personally tend to view contraceptives as preventative care, but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

Because the birth control pill treats other conditions than just preventing pregnancy. Next question?


And condoms prevent a lot of things other than just pregnancy.  Same question.
 
2014-03-25 11:51:26 PM  

namatad: trailerpimp: So if the muslim running my 7-Eleven down the street doesn't want to hire a woman clerk coz you know, she's a woman, he's protected on religious grounds, right?  And if he doesn't want his daughter to have a big cummer he has his cleric buddy cut her clit off and then beats her on religious ground, right?  And even if she has a SMOKIN' body he still drapes her in 5 layers in cloth but that's OK on religious grounds, right?
Some things seem to be OK, and others....

wouldnt it be more rational to just ban all religion and be done with it?
treat it like the delusion and brainwashing that it is?

MEH
no worries, it is on the way out in the western world, and even the US is catching up.
too bad that other religion is growing like crazy


This post gave me euphoria.
 
2014-03-25 11:52:38 PM  

debug: SundaesChild: debug: Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.

I personally tend to view contraceptives as preventative care, but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

Because the birth control pill treats other conditions than just preventing pregnancy. Next question?

And condoms prevent a lot of things other than just pregnancy.  Same question.


Reading isn't hard.
 
2014-03-25 11:52:42 PM  

debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: And can be obtained for free at any family planning clinic (unless that's changed since3 I took my girlfriend there in college).

Condoms are likewise free at those clinics, so what is your point, troll?


That they should either both be covered or neither


One is a drug that requires a doctors prescription. That is the difference. Willfully ignorant is a  type of ignorant.
 
2014-03-25 11:52:58 PM  

emersonbiggins: debug: jst3p: debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.

One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.

And can be obtained for free at any family planning clinic (unless that's changed since3 I took my girlfriend there in college).

My wife's birth control runs $140/mo. without coverage, and it's the only one of four she's been on that doesn't drive her completely mad.  But, go on, tell us how it's free again.

/hint:  a lot of shiat is "free" in college


So by your logic, if someone were to go through $140 worth of condoms a month, then it would be ok if insurance covered them?  I didn't realize there was a price threshold to meet.

It seems like it would be beneficial to cover condoms, since it "should" be a small expense and it helps prevent the spread of so may other diseases that the insurance WILL have to pay to treat.
 
2014-03-25 11:53:10 PM  

namatad: emersonbiggins: debug: jst3p: debug: Dwight_Yeast: debug: but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

My health insurance doesn't cover any OTC medication; why would it cover condoms?

Because you should either cover birth control or not cover birth control.  Pick one.  It's not as if using condoms doesn't prevent a myriad of other health issues, just like the BCP does.

One is a drug that requires a doctor prescribe it. Pretty important difference.

And can be obtained for free at any family planning clinic (unless that's changed since3 I took my girlfriend there in college).

My wife's birth control runs $140/mo. without coverage, and it's the only one of four she's been on that doesn't drive her completely mad.  But, go on, tell us how it's free again.

/hint:  a lot of shiat is "free" in college

STILL???
LOL
so she is pocketing the money ...
:D


now that you mention it... *checks wife's purse*
 
2014-03-25 11:54:09 PM  

debug: SundaesChild: debug: Animatronik: TofuTheAlmighty: DamnYankees: Can someone explain to me how someone can consistently write the majority opinion in  Smith and vote in favor of Hobby Lobby here? Will Scalia have to say he was wrong in Smith? What's the argument?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Here's how it works:

There is no compelling interest for the government in forcing companies to pay for contraception, because it isn't health care or a medical treatment, and it's not related to any kind of traditional concept of health insurance, which is supposed to cover emergency and preventative care, not contraception.

I personally tend to view contraceptives as preventative care, but I don't see anyone providing condoms as part of their helath insurance, so why should they pay for the BCP?

Because the birth control pill treats other conditions than just preventing pregnancy. Next question?

And condoms prevent a lot of things other than just pregnancy.  Same question.


Condoms are available OTC. Pills are not.
 
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