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2014-03-25 05:56:16 PM
Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.
 
2014-03-25 06:13:39 PM

nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.


No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.
 
2014-03-25 06:16:05 PM
now let's remove their veto powers at the UN and let's see if they're still happy-go-lucky
 
2014-03-25 07:33:16 PM
"It is up to Russia to act responsibly and show itself once again to be willing to abide by international norms and ... if it fails to do so, there will be some costs," he told a news conference at the end of a nuclear security summit in The Hague."

Ha. The USSR/Russia never abided by international norms. I'd bet anything Russia will see how much territory it can reclaim without triggering a harsher international response.
 
2014-03-25 07:36:10 PM

nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.


Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?
 
2014-03-25 07:38:12 PM
How about if Russia goes and farks itself instead?
 
2014-03-25 07:38:37 PM
Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.
 
2014-03-25 07:39:55 PM

RogermcAllen: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?


I was under the assumption Cubans went to Miami because they didn't want to be in Cuba, not because they wanted to annex it.
 
2014-03-25 07:40:50 PM

Rapmaster2000: Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.


Mining Free Republic for quotes again?
 
2014-03-25 07:41:17 PM

StatelyGreekAutomaton: RogermcAllen: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?

I was under the assumption Cubans went to Miami because they didn't want to be in Cuba, not because they wanted to annex it.


But there are a lot of Cubans in Miami, so it wouldn't really be a big deal if Cuba wanted to annex Miami to keep them safe.
 
2014-03-25 07:42:12 PM

Rapmaster2000: Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.


Like Sarah Palin, am I rite?
 
2014-03-25 07:48:58 PM

RogermcAllen: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?


Mexico can have all of Texas it wants.
 
2014-03-25 07:53:02 PM

nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.


'Full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.'

[Unbiased non-state-funded 3rd party citation needed.]

(Yeah, RT doesn't count.)
 
2014-03-25 07:53:07 PM

timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.


Russia fought 3 or 4 wars in a hundred years to get the Crimea and be able to be the dominant force in the Black Sea.

Did you really think they were just going to lay down and let it be allied with Europe?
 
2014-03-25 07:57:20 PM

unlikely: now let's remove their veto powers at the UN and let's see if they're still happy-go-lucky


Sure, let's just have the Security Counc... oh.  Well, fark.

Russia acting like Nazi Germany and wanting to still be a member of the G8 is (at least superficially) like Quebec wanting to oppress Muslims and Natives and be "independent" but still use Canada's currency and army.  In both cases, you can't have it both ways, assholes.

Rapmaster2000: Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.


Obama is so devious, he has a scheme to be a vacuous teleprompter-puppet devoid of any substance, and still be an evil mastermind bent on subjugating America to the HomoMuslims and Very Tall Black Panthers.  Remarkable, but one could expect no different from a man capable of being a Nazi and a Marxist at the same time.
 
2014-03-25 07:57:27 PM

RogermcAllen: Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?


More like if the US annexed Texas from Mexico...
 
2014-03-25 08:02:45 PM

MFAWG: timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

Russia fought 3 or 4 wars in a hundred years to get the Crimea and be able to be the dominant force in the Black Sea.

Did you really think they were just going to lay down and let it be allied with Europe?


Nope, but that doesn't have anything to do with my comment.
 
2014-03-25 08:05:54 PM

timujin: MFAWG: timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

Russia fought 3 or 4 wars in a hundred years to get the Crimea and be able to be the dominant force in the Black Sea.

Did you really think they were just going to lay down and let it be allied with Europe?

Nope, but that doesn't have anything to do with my comment.


Oh, FFS. Please elaborate and educate my stupid ass.
 
2014-03-25 08:06:47 PM

nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?


Yes.
 
2014-03-25 08:08:27 PM

timujin: No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.


1975 was the year when Socialist Vietnam used conventional (non-guerilla) military forces to march into and declare NonSocialist Vietnam as part of their land. Indeed things went awry on a rather massive scale for the refugees.
 
2014-03-25 08:08:53 PM

MFAWG: timujin: MFAWG: timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

Russia fought 3 or 4 wars in a hundred years to get the Crimea and be able to be the dominant force in the Black Sea.

Did you really think they were just going to lay down and let it be allied with Europe?

Nope, but that doesn't have anything to do with my comment.

Oh, FFS. Please elaborate and educate my stupid ass.


alright... nekom suggested this is normal, I countered that is isn't.  You piped in with "do you expect something different?".  No, I don't expect something different, but that doesn't make it normal.  Your statement, while valid, didn't have anything really to do with those that preceded it and would have been better written on it's own rather than as a reply.

Is your ass feeling better now?
 
2014-03-25 08:09:27 PM

MFAWG: timujin: MFAWG: timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

Russia fought 3 or 4 wars in a hundred years to get the Crimea and be able to be the dominant force in the Black Sea.

Did you really think they were just going to lay down and let it be allied with Europe?

Nope, but that doesn't have anything to do with my comment.

Oh, FFS. Please elaborate and educate my stupid ass.


Russia rolled into Georgia in 2008, and various and sundry wayward satellite states numerous times after WWII, unless I missed something.
 
2014-03-25 08:12:08 PM

ErsatzImitater: timujin: No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

1975 was the year when Socialist Vietnam used conventional (non-guerilla) military forces to march into and declare NonSocialist Vietnam as part of their land. Indeed things went awry on a rather massive scale for the refugees.


I was careful to couch my response by including "that part of the world", but your example is also valid.  With the way things are in this particular situation, though, I don't know that we're looking at a protracted military engagement.  More likely, it seems, there will be long term political ramifications, things like the existing economic efforts along with continues cutting off of diplomatic relations between the west and Russia.

The response seems to basically be, "That's how you want it? Fine, no one wants to play with you anymore then."

/okay, yes, that might be a slight oversimplification
 
2014-03-25 08:14:24 PM

MFAWG: MFAWG: timujin: MFAWG: timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

Russia fought 3 or 4 wars in a hundred years to get the Crimea and be able to be the dominant force in the Black Sea.

Did you really think they were just going to lay down and let it be allied with Europe?

Nope, but that doesn't have anything to do with my comment.

Oh, FFS. Please elaborate and educate my stupid ass.

Russia rolled into Georgia in 2008, and various and sundry wayward satellite states numerous times after WWII, unless I missed something.


True, though that's Asia and not Europe... it's the whole "backyard of the EU" thing that seems to be the big difference here.  As I wrote above, though, I don't really think this is going to have the outcome that say, Germany rolling into Poland did, but only that in this part of the world taking over part of another country by military force is no longer the norm.
 
2014-03-25 08:18:22 PM

timujin: MFAWG: MFAWG: timujin: MFAWG: timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

Russia fought 3 or 4 wars in a hundred years to get the Crimea and be able to be the dominant force in the Black Sea.

Did you really think they were just going to lay down and let it be allied with Europe?

Nope, but that doesn't have anything to do with my comment.

Oh, FFS. Please elaborate and educate my stupid ass.

Russia rolled into Georgia in 2008, and various and sundry wayward satellite states numerous times after WWII, unless I missed something.

True, though that's Asia and not Europe... it's the whole "backyard of the EU" thing that seems to be the big difference here.  As I wrote above, though, I don't really think this is going to have the outcome that say, Germany rolling into Poland did, but only that in this part of the world taking over part of another country by military force is no longer the norm.


Other than when it happened 4 years ago.
 
2014-03-25 08:23:33 PM

unlikely: now let's remove their veto powers at the UN and let's see if they're still happy-go-lucky


Its probably best not to tell Russia when the vote takes place.
 
2014-03-25 08:25:44 PM

timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.


You mean Prague in 1968?
 
2014-03-25 09:04:42 PM

anuran: timujin: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

No, this doesn't happen "all the time", it's rather uncommon in that part of the world these days for an armed force to march into another country and then declare that land to be theirs.  The last time it happened, things went awry on a rather massive scale.

You mean Prague in 1968?


Kuwait in 1991?
 
2014-03-25 09:11:36 PM

No Such Agency: unlikely: now let's remove their veto powers at the UN and let's see if they're still happy-go-lucky

Sure, let's just have the Security Counc... oh.  Well, fark.

Russia acting like Nazi Germany and wanting to still be a member of the G8 is (at least superficially) like Quebec wanting to oppress Muslims and Natives and be "independent" but still use Canada's currency and army.  In both cases, you can't have it both ways, assholes.

Rapmaster2000: Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.

Obama is so devious, he has a scheme to be a vacuous teleprompter-puppet devoid of any substance, and still be an evil mastermind bent on subjugating America to the HomoMuslims and Very Tall Black Panthers.  Remarkable, but one could expect no different from a man capable of being a Nazi and a Marxist at the same time.


Who are these Very Tall Black Panthers of whom you speak?
Do they have something to do with March Madness?
 
2014-03-25 09:23:00 PM

lindalouwho: No Such Agency: unlikely: now let's remove their veto powers at the UN and let's see if they're still happy-go-lucky

Sure, let's just have the Security Counc... oh.  Well, fark.

Russia acting like Nazi Germany and wanting to still be a member of the G8 is (at least superficially) like Quebec wanting to oppress Muslims and Natives and be "independent" but still use Canada's currency and army.  In both cases, you can't have it both ways, assholes.

Rapmaster2000: Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.

Obama is so devious, he has a scheme to be a vacuous teleprompter-puppet devoid of any substance, and still be an evil mastermind bent on subjugating America to the HomoMuslims and Very Tall Black Panthers.  Remarkable, but one could expect no different from a man capable of being a Nazi and a Marxist at the same time.

Who are these Very Tall Black Panthers of whom you speak?
Do they have something to do with March Madness?


Its the March of Madness with Homobama and his Queer Marxist Army. Its up to brave patriots like Sarah Palin to save our country from history's greatest monster!!!!!!
 
2014-03-25 09:27:16 PM

TommyDeuce: Kuwait in 1991?


Kuwait isn't "this part of the world"

anuran: You mean Prague in 1968?


1968 isn't "these days"
 
2014-03-25 09:28:23 PM

lindalouwho: Who are these Very Tall Black Panthers of whom you speak?
Do they have something to do with March Madness?


You don't remember these guys?

mije.org
 
2014-03-25 09:41:53 PM

TV's Vinnie: RogermcAllen: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?

Mexico can have all of Texas it wants.


Didn't Texas used to be a part of Mexico?
 
2014-03-25 09:47:15 PM

kg2095: TV's Vinnie: RogermcAllen: nekom: Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as a big deal?  They annexed a piece of land that's going to be a total money pit for them full of people who seem to have overwhelmingly wanted just that to happen.  Borders change all the time, they aren't sacred.

Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?

Mexico can have all of Texas it wants.

Didn't Texas used to be a part of Mexico?


and parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming:
www.drtinfo.org
 
2014-03-25 10:32:37 PM

timujin: TommyDeuce: Kuwait in 1991?

Kuwait isn't "this part of the world"


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com


Not really that far - less then a 1000 miles - wouldn't want to walk it, but as far as "part of the world" goes, not that far.
 
2014-03-25 10:38:53 PM

Rapmaster2000: Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.


You forgot to mention Benghazi
 
2014-03-25 11:05:59 PM

Software2: RogermcAllen: Would it be a big deal to you if Cuba annexed Miami?  Would it be a big deal to you if Poland annexed Chicago?

More like if the US annexed Texas from Mexico...


That led to the Mexican-American War...

"The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war.  Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions.  We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times."  Ulysses S. Grant
 
2014-03-25 11:19:48 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Rapmaster2000: Once again, Putin The Global Chessmaster, runs circles around Homobama.  While 0bozo plays Go Fish, Putin plays some type of futuristic, inter-dimensional chess game with lasers and stuff.  Make no mistake, this has only happened because of the weak and feckless leadership of the incompetent, empty-suit.  This would never have happened if America had REAL leadership.

You forgot to mention Benghazi


Obviously, Rapmaster2000 is an Emptychair O'Commie agent planted here to distract us from the events unfolding in the Boeinghazi scandal
 
2014-03-25 11:51:01 PM

Mega Steve: Obviously, Rapmaster2000 is an Emptychair O'Commie agent planted here to distract us from the events unfolding in the Boeinghazi scandal


to be fair it did work

// stay the fark out of it USA the rest of the world does NOT consider you the world police anymore, that kinda ran out when you fled vietnam like the fleas you are... you turned from fleas into ticks after that, give it the fark up you do not have the power you think you do... you lost that when you ran like the red white and blue people you accuse of being those willing to surrender back in 1812 you pillocks.
 
2014-03-26 12:05:11 AM
 
2014-03-26 12:57:11 AM

No Such Agency: lindalouwho: Who are these Very Tall Black Panthers of whom you speak?
Do they have something to do with March Madness?

You don't remember these guys?


It's a stretch.
 
2014-03-26 04:08:35 AM

unlikely: now let's remove their veto powers at the UN and let's see if they're still happy-go-lucky


Should have done that to the US after you bastards invaded Iraq. But I guess killing kiddies with drones is cool bro.
 
2014-03-26 06:43:19 AM

narkor: unlikely: now let's remove their veto powers at the UN and let's see if they're still happy-go-lucky

Should have done that to the US after you bastards invaded Iraq. But I guess killing kiddies with drones is cool bro.


As much as I agree with you with the U.S. going overboard ob many different subjects (though this Russia one really has left me on the sidelines, mostly due to the energy setup Russia will/does have from this whole thing; especially IF they do invade Ukraine in full).

But, to actually suggest removing the U.S. from the U.N., hey, I'm all for it.  But, be very much prepared for the organization known as the "U.N." to basically fall apart over the course of a decade or so.  Not too mention the fact they will lose most of their fighting force output (equipment and supplies, besides personal), money, and let us not forget the kicker...it's headquarters...  So, to be honest I'm not sure where you are going with that idea other than to show that you have some issues with how the United States operates, which is fine; but, perhaps pull back on the hyperbole...

Or at the least I see it as that much.  Same as realistically kicking Russia out of the U.N. at this time.  They STILL have a lot of support and I HIGHLY doubt China would vote yes...
 
2014-03-26 07:41:50 AM
If you kick russia out of the UN, you can dissolve the UN. The purpose of its existence was to centralize the world powers into one organization.
 
2014-03-26 12:20:47 PM

Yogimus: If you kick russia out of the UN, you can dissolve the UN. The purpose of its existence was to centralize the world powers into one organization.


Um, sure, removing one country out of the 192 in there just makes the whole thing pointless.
 
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