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(International Business Times)   In loving memory of Yellowstone Supervolcano. 2.1 million years BC - 2014. You destroyed Earth like no other. RIP   (ibtimes.co.uk ) divider line
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2014-03-25 01:28:09 PM  
Dying =/= Dead...

AND...there's not reason to assume it will die peacefully.

lindsayrgwatt.com
 
2014-03-25 01:29:16 PM  
unpossible... something something only 6000 years old something something.
 
2014-03-25 01:29:33 PM  
Of course the IBT has to misconstrue the science so that fracking in the region can go on unabated. Meanwhile, those who actually monitor the volcano have noted an uptick in seismic activity over the last ten years and the lava dome under it has been swelling and moving closer to the surface. This indicates that the volcano is becoming more active and could erupt. When? No one can say. But it will erupt again one day. It isn't becoming extinct anytime soon.
 
2014-03-25 01:32:20 PM  
It's not dead... *sniff* It's a strong super-volcano! It wants to live! Now quickly, start fracking here, here, and here! Live, damn it... LIVE!!! Show us many debris!!! We know you can do it!!!
 
2014-03-25 01:33:11 PM  
It's because of the brain-cloud, isn't it?
 
2014-03-25 01:33:38 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Cyberluddite: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

I wish the article would let us know exactly how many debris Mount St. Helens sent in the air in 1980, so we would have some basis for comparison.

ALOT!

I remember it blowing, I was in Portland at the time.


I was at the Johnston Observatory a few years back.  It's a sobering, amazing place.

I was completely awed by the size of the trees that are uniformly sheared off.  This landscape goes for miles:
ec.pond5.com
 
2014-03-25 01:34:54 PM  

whistleridge: gopher321: reported: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

... and that's a lot of debris!

2000 what? 2000 trees? 2000 1977 Ford LTDs? 2000 Harry Trumans?

Rhode Islands. The unit of measure for large terrestrial comparisons is always Rhode Island.


We're talkung about debris, doesn't that usually get converted into New Jerseys?
 
2014-03-25 01:40:12 PM  

menschenfresser: Wellon Dowd: Yellowstone is the most recent system along the hot spot. There are older volcanic systems that march their way up the plains, and as they got older and older, all of those systems eventually cooled. The ground subsided, and Hawaiian-type lava covered them up.

So which way is the plate moving over the hot spot? Are Denver or Cheyenne next?

I want to say that the North American plate is moving west to southwest. So, look out Fargo?


You can follow the path of the Yellowstone Caldera as it moved over time, through southern Oregon and Idaho.   Lots of old lava beds, extinct volcanoes, The Caldera is stationary and the plate moves past it.
 
2014-03-25 01:41:27 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I like the expanded access to information that the internet gives me, but the lack of editors in general these days is jarring.  Sooooo many articles who's only editing is a pass through spell check, if that.


I like the expanded access to information that the internet gives me; but, the lack of editors in general these days is jarring.  So many articles whose only editing is a pass through spell check, if that.

FTFY
 
2014-03-25 01:43:01 PM  

Lydia_C: meat0918: JoieD'Zen: TFA  says it's dying and it's going to blow - which is it?

It could explode next Tuesday, give or take 70,000 years.

Btw, TFA is off by an order of magnitude here. Yellowstone last erupted 640,000 years ago. That's an extra zero in there.

The bong-smoking editor decided to uniformly clip a zero off the correct ballpark number. Probably had his mind blown thinking about the vastness of time.

/whoa


The whole damn article is a masterpiece of editorial/ authorial stupidity.
 
2014-03-25 01:49:51 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Can a conservatard please explain how this now means we don't need to worry about greenhouse gas?


Pffft.  Global warming.  Something something libtard something something Obamaphone something something welfare queens.
 
2014-03-25 01:50:13 PM  

Cyberluddite: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

I wish the article would let us know exactly how many debris Mount St. Helens sent in the air in 1980, so we would have some basis for comparison.


Bill Bryson put it best:

"Imagine a pile of TNT about the size of an English county and reaching 13 kilometers into the sky, to about the height of the highest cirrus clouds, and you have some idea of what visitors to Yellowstone are shuffling around on top of."

from A Short History of Nearly Everything.

Terrific book btw, for more than just supervolcanoes.
 
2014-03-25 01:51:21 PM  
another, more telling pic:
inapcache.boston.com
 
2014-03-25 01:51:28 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I like the expanded access to information that the internet gives me, but the lack of editors in general these days is jarring.  Sooooo many articles who's whose only editing is a pass through spell check, if that.


Glass houses, throwing stones, etc.  And anyway, "who" (or who's or whose, for that matter) should only be used in reference to persons, not in reference to inanimate objects (in this case, "articles").
 
2014-03-25 01:53:21 PM  
Copyediting is also, apparently, on its molten deathbead.

/morans
 
2014-03-25 01:54:35 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Yellowstone is the most recent system along the hot spot. There are older volcanic systems that march their way up the plains, and as they got older and older, all of those systems eventually cooled. The ground subsided, and Hawaiian-type lava covered them up.

So which way is the plate moving over the hot spot? Are Denver or Cheyenne next?


Find Yellowstone on Google Maps. Switch to satellite view. Zoom up until you can see all the Rockies. You'll see the path to the SW, then curving to NW. Just follow the Snake River.

That implies that the hot spot is moving toward the NE, relative to the plate.
 
2014-03-25 01:55:58 PM  

gopher321: reported: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

... and that's a lot of debris!

2000 what? 2000 trees? 2000 1977 Ford LTDs? 2000 Harry Trumans?


I see I'm not the only one that caught that.
 
2014-03-25 01:58:10 PM  
FTFA: "It looks like it's boiling. But it is actually from steam or CO2."

Looks like everyone jumped on the debris bandwagon and missed this gem.
 
2014-03-25 01:58:42 PM  
mainsite.dancemania.netdna-cdn.com
 
2014-03-25 01:59:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-25 01:59:47 PM  

JoieD'Zen: TFA  says it's dying and it's going to blow - which is it?


I would also like to know if it's Volcano Warming or Volcano Cooling. C'mon scienticians, make up your mind.
 
2014-03-25 02:00:51 PM  

whistleridge: gopher321: reported: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

... and that's a lot of debris!

2000 what? 2000 trees? 2000 1977 Ford LTDs? 2000 Harry Trumans?

Rhode Islands. The unit of measure for large terrestrial comparisons is always Rhode Island.


Debris. It says it in the article. 2000 MORE DEBRIS than before.
 
2014-03-25 02:01:09 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: watch it go off tomorrow

thanks for jinxing us!


Yeah, this'll seem pretty funny if somebody uncovers a copy of this article from some town that gets Pompeii'd.
 
2014-03-25 02:01:13 PM  

Lydia_C: meat0918: JoieD'Zen: TFA  says it's dying and it's going to blow - which is it?

It could explode next Tuesday, give or take 70,000 years.

Btw, TFA is off by an order of magnitude here. Yellowstone last erupted 640,000 years ago. That's an extra zero in there.

The bong-smoking editor decided to uniformly clip a zero off the correct ballpark number. Probably had his mind blown thinking about the vastness of time.

/whoa


Actually it's not off at all.  The last major eruption happened 640,000 years ago, but Yellowstone has smaller eruptions much more frequently.  The most recent was indeed 70,000 years ago.  That one was more a matter of some lava bubbling to the surface rather then anything particularly apocalyptic, but it still qualifies as an eruption.

Anyways, Yellowstone becoming extinct might actually be a bad thing in the long run.  What it essentially means is that the crust has shifted far enough since it's original formation that it's essentially being cut off from it's heat source.  A new super-volcano could form further to the east, which would be closer to major population centers and where we aren't as prepared to deal with it.
 
2014-03-25 02:04:52 PM  

reported: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

... and that's a lot of debris!


only 2,000 more so not that much

/apparently the first thing we did was kill all the copy editors
 
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2014-03-25 02:08:21 PM  

unlikely: whistleridge: gopher321: reported: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

... and that's a lot of debris!

2000 what? 2000 trees? 2000 1977 Ford LTDs? 2000 Harry Trumans?

Rhode Islands. The unit of measure for large terrestrial comparisons is always Rhode Island.

Debris. It says it in the article. 2000 MORE DEBRIS than before.


Is that like a brazillion???
 
2014-03-25 02:13:19 PM  

MooseBayou: JoieD'Zen: Cyberluddite: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

I wish the article would let us know exactly how many debris Mount St. Helens sent in the air in 1980, so we would have some basis for comparison.

ALOT!

I remember it blowing, I was in Portland at the time.

I was at the Johnston Observatory a few years back.  It's a sobering, amazing place.

I was completely awed by the size of the trees that are uniformly sheared off.  This landscape goes for miles:
[ec.pond5.com image 850x478]


I've been up there, beautiful pic.
I feel that Rainier will blow before Yellowstone but hopefully I am wrong. Rainier will cause more death and destruction due to it's location.
 
2014-03-25 02:13:34 PM  
images.ghostbusters.net

"Is it too warm in here for debris?"
 
2014-03-25 02:13:44 PM  
so if one debris = one cat, and one intertube = a brazillian cats, then it really is a series of tubes in which we can fit 2000 brazillian debreeses with room for six cats?  And if so, whar is the caldera that obviously ate the plane while dog?
 
2014-03-25 02:14:10 PM  

Carousel Beast: FTFA: "It looks like it's boiling. But it is actually from steam or CO2."

Looks like everyone jumped on the debris bandwagon and missed this gem.


what can I say we like counting units

/I said Unit hehehe...
 
2014-03-25 02:16:39 PM  

Ambivalence: JoieD'Zen: TFA  says it's dying and it's going to blow - which is it?

It's gonna blow, but not with the same vigor as in it's youth.  Thankfully they don't make volcano viagra.


Hmm, something to think about.
img.fark.net

Too obscure?
 
2014-03-25 02:17:02 PM  

Carousel Beast: FTFA: "It looks like it's boiling. But it is actually from steam or CO2."

Looks like everyone jumped on the debris bandwagon and missed this gem.


I suspect he may mean that the water itself on the surface isn't boiling: The steam is coming from somewher emuch, much deeper, and then bubbling to the surface.
 
2014-03-25 02:19:20 PM  

MooseBayou: another, more telling pic:
[inapcache.boston.com image 850x589]


So I realize that I am totally ignorant on the subject, but could we not be using all those trees for lumber rather than killing live trees?  Is the wood bad or what?
 
2014-03-25 02:20:44 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I thought it was "Jellystone".

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 399x300]


Looks like Escher drew that!
 
2014-03-25 02:22:22 PM  
If you are seeing smaller measurements in the indicators that you use for standard volcanoes it may indicate change, but not one that you can interpret the same way.  This is no ordinary volcano.  This is a plume from the earth's mantle burning holes in the tectonic plate.  If it goes quiet it most likely means that pressure is building at a level you are unequipped to measure, not that the force that created mass extinction events has suddenly gone quiet.

But, people gotta publish papers...
 
2014-03-25 02:22:23 PM  

Nightjars: Superjew: ZAZ: If it becomes an extinct volcano, it will never erupt again.

Seems backwards to me. If it never erupts again, then it is extinct.

If that was the definition, we couldn't label any volcano as extinct until the end of time.

That's kind of the problem of trying to invent classifications for things that we have no control over.  The best you can say is that if it appears that a volcano is no longer capable of erupting, it is extinct; since, clearly, declaring a volcano as being extinct does not prevent it from ever erupting again.  We humans are simply observing and classifying the best we know how, given our present knowledge of how things work.


It's almost like we make shiat up as we go along.
 
2014-03-25 02:24:02 PM  

menschenfresser: Wellon Dowd: Yellowstone is the most recent system along the hot spot. There are older volcanic systems that march their way up the plains, and as they got older and older, all of those systems eventually cooled. The ground subsided, and Hawaiian-type lava covered them up.

So which way is the plate moving over the hot spot? Are Denver or Cheyenne next?

I want to say that the North American plate is moving west to southwest. So, look out Fargo?


Based on this map, it looks like Billings, Montana.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-25 02:24:45 PM  

Non-evil Monkey: Lydia_C: meat0918: JoieD'Zen: TFA  says it's dying and it's going to blow - which is it?

It could explode next Tuesday, give or take 70,000 years.

Btw, TFA is off by an order of magnitude here. Yellowstone last erupted 640,000 years ago. That's an extra zero in there.

The bong-smoking editor decided to uniformly clip a zero off the correct ballpark number. Probably had his mind blown thinking about the vastness of time.

/whoa

Actually it's not off at all.  The last major eruption happened 640,000 years ago, but Yellowstone has smaller eruptions much more frequently.  The most recent was indeed 70,000 years ago.  That one was more a matter of some lava bubbling to the surface rather then anything particularly apocalyptic, but it still qualifies as an eruption.

Anyways, Yellowstone becoming extinct might actually be a bad thing in the long run.  What it essentially means is that the crust has shifted far enough since it's original formation that it's essentially being cut off from it's heat source.  A new super-volcano could form further to the east, which would be closer to major population centers and where we aren't as prepared to deal with it.


The "dying down" part the article could be that the vents are clogging up and we could have an eruption on its way. Probably not the next VEI 8 eruption, but a smaller one.
 
2014-03-25 02:27:17 PM  
Everything I know about Yellowstone, I read in A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson.  I cite this as an excellent example because his research was top-notch for that book.  This, in short, is what he says...

Yellowstone explodes spectacularly roughly every 650,000 years.  The last time this happened, was a little over 650,000 years ago.  So it's probably due.  To that end, he went and spoke with one of the park geologists.  His take on the matter was, "most of the warning signs of an eruption already exist to some extent at Yellowstone.  Although right now, it appears to be releasing it's volitiles."  But even he couldn't say that it wouldn't simply explode tomorrow.  "Volcanoes are strange things.  We really don't understand them at all."

And if that thing decided to blow up as it had in the past, it would seriously wreck the entire biosphere of the planet for many thousands of years.
 
2014-03-25 02:34:45 PM  

gopher321: reported: Many researchers have hypothesised what would happen if Yellowstone was to erupt now, with scientists predicting it would send 2,000 more debris into the air than Mount Saint Helens did when it blew in 1980.

... and that's a lot of debris!

2000 what? 2000 trees? 2000 1977 Ford LTDs? 2000 Harry Trumans?


Rhode Islands, that is the standard unit of measurement.
 
2014-03-25 02:37:37 PM  

menschenfresser: Wellon Dowd: Yellowstone is the most recent system along the hot spot. There are older volcanic systems that march their way up the plains, and as they got older and older, all of those systems eventually cooled. The ground subsided, and Hawaiian-type lava covered them up.

So which way is the plate moving over the hot spot? Are Denver or Cheyenne next?

I want to say that the North American plate is moving west to southwest. So, look out Fargo?


I don't think it moves that fast, more like Billings MT Has a real bad day in it's future.
 
2014-03-25 02:37:49 PM  

crzybtch: MooseBayou: another, more telling pic:
[inapcache.boston.com image 850x589]

So I realize that I am totally ignorant on the subject, but could we not be using all those trees for lumber rather than killing live trees?  Is the wood bad or what?


I don't know.  It might be a difficult place to get the harvesting machinery into.  These are NOT small trees, either.  They're big ol' Pacific firs and spruces.

The pictures just make them look like matchsticks.

I highly recommend a trip there.  Go to the Ape Caves and the Climber's Bivouac, too.  You will see moose.  No bayou.
 
2014-03-25 02:43:08 PM  
Well THANKS!  Now they've all but guaranteed it'll blow.
 
2014-03-25 02:44:14 PM  
It's dying. That's why the ground west of Yellowstone Lake has risen ten inches. Riiight.
 
2014-03-25 02:45:58 PM  

crzybtch: MooseBayou: another, more telling pic:
[inapcache.boston.com image 850x589]

So I realize that I am totally ignorant on the subject, but could we not be using all those trees for lumber rather than killing live trees?  Is the wood bad or what?


It's a National Forest, plus a giant research area to see exactly what happens after such a cataclysmic event.
 
2014-03-25 02:47:37 PM  

schnee: I lived 300 miles downwind of St Helens when it blew. Town got a couple of inches of ash.

Hate to think that translates to 4000 inches of ash

/csb
// don't know how much debris


Don't worry. If you live 300 miles away from the Yellowstone supervolcano when it erupts, the ash will be the least of your problems. Or, possibly, the last.
 
2014-03-25 02:48:23 PM  
Harry Turtledove said to be despondent upon hearing the news.
 
2014-03-25 02:50:54 PM  

Alfunk: menschenfresser: Wellon Dowd: Yellowstone is the most recent system along the hot spot. There are older volcanic systems that march their way up the plains, and as they got older and older, all of those systems eventually cooled. The ground subsided, and Hawaiian-type lava covered them up.

So which way is the plate moving over the hot spot? Are Denver or Cheyenne next?

I want to say that the North American plate is moving west to southwest. So, look out Fargo?

I don't think it moves that fast, more like Billings MT Has a real bad day in it's future.


That's too bad. Fargo needs to be boiled away in a lake of lava.
 
2014-03-25 02:51:48 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I thought it was "Jellystone".

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 399x300]


That's some terrible perspective on that sign lol
 
2014-03-25 02:51:58 PM  

menschenfresser: Alfunk: menschenfresser: Wellon Dowd: Yellowstone is the most recent system along the hot spot. There are older volcanic systems that march their way up the plains, and as they got older and older, all of those systems eventually cooled. The ground subsided, and Hawaiian-type lava covered them up.

So which way is the plate moving over the hot spot? Are Denver or Cheyenne next?

I want to say that the North American plate is moving west to southwest. So, look out Fargo?

I don't think it moves that fast, more like Billings MT Has a real bad day in it's future.

That's too bad. Fargo needs to be boiled away in a lake of lava.


Love ya Margie
 
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