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(Chicago Trib)   Has Wal-Mart become a welfare queen after revealing it is dependent on food stamps?   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 512
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2014-03-25 05:18:40 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: LazyMedia: The American dream part is the "start out with a menial, low-paying job, living in impoverished circumstances, then see your pay and responsibility increase over the years until you're a manager with a house in the suburbs."

I would agree that social upward mobility is a component of the American Dream.  I don't think serving in the military is an aspect of the American Dream.  I want to work hard in the profession of my choosing and have a level and equal playing field against those in that profession so that I may advance.  Serving 20 years following the orders of superiors with no guarantee that I will get an education, that I will get ahead or that I won't get killed doesn't even enter that picture.

LazyMedia: Not every duty station or MOS, but in the normal course of the last 70 years (aside from '03-'10, that is), the vast majority of career military people wound up with the opportunity to get a degree while serving.

I disagree with that.  It ignores the Korean and Viet Nam wars as well as those stationed overseas and remotely during other times such as the Cold War.  Also, you say vast majority of career people had the opportunity, but how many actually did achieve that?  I would be interesting in seeing figures around that.


Most people in the military were in Korea or Vietnam for a year or less. In a 20-year career, that wouldn't preclude going to college. Most of the Cold War Army and Air Force were stateside or in Germany, Korea or Japan, where college courses were available on base. Iraq was different because the Army was so much smaller and units deployed over and over again, missing out on normal stateside rotations when they could go to school.

The education levels in the military have risen dramatically since the end of the draft, but that tracks the general population; jobs (including jobs inside the military) are requiring more education. It's very rare for someone to make Colonel, for instance, without a master's degree.

Today people in the military are much better educated on average than people outside. A lot of those enlisted people's degrees are from on-line colleges, but that's still better than most people who go to work right out of high school have.
 
2014-03-25 05:19:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.


Based on the kind of people that shop in Walmart,  I would not trust their judgement on anything. People might think it's cheaper. Walmart goes to great efforts to portray themselves as the cheapest option. On the other hand, there is TCO to consider. Cheap crap breaks more and needs to be replaced. So buying the cheapest thing you can find might not work out the way you expect it.
 
2014-03-25 05:22:49 PM  

It's Me Bender: LazyMedia: Immigrants work harder than lazy-ass American kids, and create more wealth for everyone greedy-ass employers.

Fixed that for you.

I'll agree that immigrants are willing to work for less pay than Americans are, while collecting welfare, food stamps, section 8, ripping off ERs for their healthcare, and getting free education for their kids, all paid for by Americans.

However, our immigration policy should be geared towards benefiting all Americans, not subsidizing wealth creation for the 1%.


If you just let the immigrants become Americans, problem solved. Americans in large numbers benefit, and it turns out it was the ones in the worst fix to start with. Yay, America!
 
2014-03-25 05:24:32 PM  

jst3p: jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.

Math, how does it work? I never said they were "as cheap". I clearly said they are about 10% more expensive, although that is a guesstimate. Here is a comparison done by local news here:

[localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com image 396x307]

http://kdvr.com/2013/05/02/grocery-store-price-challenge/

Forgot to add:

The crux of my point wasn't "I can get groceries just as cheap somewhere else", it was "I will gladly pay a little more for groceries if I am paying a union shop who pays their employees more than Walmart."

But I understand some families aren't as fortunate as I am and making the same choice would force them into some tough decisions.


I too am willing to spend a little bit more in order to avoid feeling like a French aristocrat just before the revolution.
 
2014-03-25 05:25:15 PM  

LazyMedia: If you're a 21-year-old with a laid-off spouse, three kids and are paying for an elderly dependent's health care, you SHOULD get public assistance; you're who it's for.


At one time a 21-year old high school graduate (or dropout) with a stay-at-home wife and three kids didn't need public assistance.  Because entry level jobs paid enough.

What's changed since then?
 
2014-03-25 05:32:14 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: I would agree that social upward mobility is a component of the American Dream.  I don't think serving in the military is an aspect of the American Dream.  I want to work hard in the profession of my choosing and have a level and equal playing field against those in that profession so that I may advance.  Serving 20 years following the orders of superiors with no guarantee that I will get an education, that I will get ahead or that I won't get killed doesn't even enter that picture.


Most people don't have any ambition to work in a profession. They just want a job. The military is an attractive option for those people, because it rubs all the jagged edges off of the competitive marketplace. It's like Uncle Sam is your actual uncle. "Hey, Uncle Sam, I need a job." "Here you go, son, and here's some free clothes, food and housing to go along with it." "Hey, Uncle Sam, I want a raise and a chance at a more responsible job." "Here you go, son, take this written test, and there's a very good chance you'll get both of them." I don't know about you, but the job market has been a seriously unwelcoming place my whole life. I couldn't get a job when I was 16 in the nearest town, despite going door to door to every business there. Every job I've ever applied for, it seems like there were at least a dozen applicants, and I didn't get most of them. The military, by contrast, has been about as tough to advance in as World of Warcraft, and I've been killed FAR less.
 
2014-03-25 05:33:13 PM  

MechTard: clkeagle: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

What welfare program is "designed" to support healthy Americans working full-time for a profitable corporation? There shouldn't be one. If you are a for-profit company and any kind of government benefit adds to your bottom line, you should be mandated to pay your employees above the poverty line for that location.

But that's the thing: they aren't full-time. Walmart intentionally limits hours to prevent having to pay benefits, reducing the employees effective wage to the point that they also, incidentally, qualify for foodstamps.


Figure out the typical call for part time workers.  There will always be people who only want part time jobs, e.g. full time students, moms, retired, etc.  Double that percentage.  So if there's a 10% requirement for part time, allow for 20%.  Any large corporation exceeding this amount gets fined $100,000 per part time employee every year.  Not just the ones in excess of the limit.  That's for each and every part time worker.  The only way you can prevent some corporations from farking people over is to make it not cost effective to do it.

Note, I'm very pro-capitalist.  I'm also very anti-corporation.
 
2014-03-25 05:33:26 PM  

Goimir: svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment

You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.

Yeah, I don't know how unemployment works because I've never quit a job. I guess you're the authority on that. Our local welfare office had to set up an additional desk for all the people who quit their jobs because they found it easier to get Obama care and other handouts. Keep that head in the sand there amigo. Algún día dirás...¿Qué pasó? ¿Porqué se calló el gobierno?

You've never quit a job? That's hilarious!


Yeah but not technically true. I have left jobs when I found something better. The American dream still exists if you are will in to work for it.
 
2014-03-25 05:35:41 PM  

It's Me Bender: LazyMedia: If you're a 21-year-old with a laid-off spouse, three kids and are paying for an elderly dependent's health care, you SHOULD get public assistance; you're who it's for.

At one time a 21-year old high school graduate (or dropout) with a stay-at-home wife and three kids didn't need public assistance.  Because entry level jobs paid enough.

What's changed since then?


Automation, immigration and global competition. That guy's whole career is mostly being done by robots now. Also, we cut taxes on rich people to the point where that guy can't get a public sector job, either.
 
2014-03-25 05:37:09 PM  

Goimir: svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment

You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.

Yeah, I don't know how unemployment works because I've never quit a job. I guess you're the authority on that. Our local welfare office had to set up an additional desk for all the people who quit their jobs because they found it easier to get Obama care and other handouts. Keep that head in the sand there amigo. Algún día dirás...¿Qué pasó? ¿Porqué se calló el gobierno?

You've never quit a job? That's hilarious!


Keep in mind, he is a liar.
 
2014-03-25 05:39:03 PM  

Fissile: rewind2846: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Not that these corporations don't deserve our ire, but you're right about the armed forces. Being former military myself back in the 80's, the enlisted pay rates are still at a level where it would be unfeasable to even think about getting married or having children until you're at least an E-6 or above, which usually takes 10 years or more. If you're rank is lower than that, you're expected to be single, living and eating on base/ship, and wearing the same clothing you brought with you to boot camp when not in uniform.

Considering that at least for the Navy you're working 12 hour (or more) shifts 7 days a week when out at sea for 6 or 7 months at a time, an E-4 with 4 year's $27,936 salary comes out to less than $6.50 an hour while at sea (180 days, 2160 hours, half year @$13,968). Living in a Navy town I see this all the time, and there isn't a single military family in my apartment complex that I know who doesn't have an EBT card or other assistance. That they should need this is a crime.

Yup.  Armies in other countries mutiny of shiat like this.  Here we just keep taking up the poop chute.


That's silly. Other countries are much more socialist. There's much more dole to go around and they aren't ashamed to use it either. I don't think anyone would even make note of this kind of situation anywhere else.
 
2014-03-25 05:39:51 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Yes.

//apologies if this answer already has been given.  I'm not reading through 8 pages of comments


You should work your ignore list better... I've only got 3 pages :D
 
2014-03-25 05:42:48 PM  

LazyMedia: Soup4Bonnie: I would agree that social upward mobility is a component of the American Dream.  I don't think serving in the military is an aspect of the American Dream.  I want to work hard in the profession of my choosing and have a level and equal playing field against those in that profession so that I may advance.  Serving 20 years following the orders of superiors with no guarantee that I will get an education, that I will get ahead or that I won't get killed doesn't even enter that picture.


Oh, and I agree with you that the military's not just ice cream and puppies. I couldn't have done 20 years active duty, either; I'm not suited to that level of conformity. I did two years active, and have been in the Reserves ever since (it'll be 30 years total in July), other than being mobilized for the Gulf War and for Iraq. I can't tell you how many people I know who got a leg up with a single four-year hitch, though. You can make and save a lot of money from 18 to 22 if you're smart and single, and come out with college fully funded. And state college girls REALLY like 22-year-old veterans.
 
2014-03-25 05:44:23 PM  

skippysteak: Raoul Eaton: Yes.

//apologies if this answer already has been given.  I'm not reading through 8 pages of comments

You should work your ignore list better... I've only got 3 pages :D


Keep up the good work... soon, your posts will be the only ones you see anymore and Fark will be all snuggly warm and safe for you.

/opinions that challenge mine are teh bad!!!
 
2014-03-25 05:47:49 PM  
Ahhh another fark the poor thread. Always so fun to read the various FYGM assholes stating the same bullshiat,including linking to the same farking song twice. Since my nearly blind mother with a myriad of other health problems and my nearly blind,epileptic fiance are suuuuuch a burden on you guys I guess I should sacrifice them so the mighty job creators will stop sniffling.
/Would strangulation via bootstraps satisfy the almighty Job Creators?
 
2014-03-25 05:48:32 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: LazyMedia: The best thing about the military life is that it actually allows the American dream to happen routinely. You start out working a physically hard job for low pay, but you get regular raises and promotions until 15 years later you're earning a substantial living, have a formal education and are mostly doing desk work.

Not every MOS/duty station allows you to attend college classes.  I can think of a few American Dreams that don't have you dying in defense of your country or worse, dying for no good reason at all.


It's no free ride for sure. However, it's also no less brutal than some of the alternatives. Not everyone is in a position to take advantage of the "safer" options. In those cases, just having the ambition by itself is a considerable degree of progress.
 
2014-03-25 06:01:51 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: The U.S. military is an extremely stable and financially sound career choice. You might get shot, but you will be taken care of financially.

I tell people that if they want the stability of being in the military but don't want to get shot at, pick a service and job that accomidates that.  Coast Guard?  Yep.  The USCG has some dangerous jobs but those are all voluntary positions.  I have a friend in the USCG who spend a portion of his career patroling a lake in Vermont that sits on the border.  I'm sure they run into some unsavory characters on occasion but its nothing like walking a beat in Afghanistan.  You can also pick a clerical job in any of the services.  It might not be right but E-4 pay is the same everywhere............doesn't matter if you are making copies in a air conditioned office at a AF base in Oklahoma or clearing a house of suspected terrorists in Afghanistan.


This is a misconception everyone believes, less than 3% of the entire armed forces gets shot at. I was 0321, I spent my time defending patriot missile batteries and never even heard a shot in 6 years, 2002-2008. Problem is people think they are going to get shot at in the service, because after all its the "military" and the military tends to go to war. Fact is I spent my 6 years sitting on my ass doing nothing, I was in Iraq and Afghanistan, but stuck on the logistics side.

Fact is the only ones who do get shot at, are either Cops in training or assholes who think they are rambo. Meanwhile the rest of us just want to do our time and get a discharge.
 
2014-03-25 06:03:28 PM  

jst3p: Goimir: svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment

You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.

Yeah, I don't know how unemployment works because I've never quit a job. I guess you're the authority on that. Our local welfare office had to set up an additional desk for all the people who quit their jobs because they found it easier to get Obama care and other handouts. Keep that head in the sand there amigo. Algún día dirás...¿Qué pasó? ¿Porqué se calló el gobierno?

You've never quit a job? That's hilarious!

Keep in mind, he is a liar.


Wow such anger. I've left jobs for better jobs. Maybe you would find this video helpful to improve your mood. "The path of love":

http://youtu.be/KdqSFWJJi94
 
2014-03-25 06:13:28 PM  

svanmeter: jst3p: Goimir: svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment

You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.

Yeah, I don't know how unemployment works because I've never quit a job. I guess you're the authority on that. Our local welfare office had to set up an additional desk for all the people who quit their jobs because they found it easier to get Obama care and other handouts. Keep that head in the sand there amigo. Algún día dirás...¿Qué pasó? ¿Porqué se calló el gobierno?

You've never quit a job? That's hilarious!

Keep in mind, he is a liar.


Wow such anger


No anger. None at all. Just pointing out to others in this thread who may not know you that you lie.
 
2014-03-25 06:25:22 PM  

archichris: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Walmarts wages are above minimum. Typically 50 people show up to apply for every position.

The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.


Government spends money like any business. Except it can spend money that doesn't exist yet as well.

How is food stamps not an economic activity? How is that any better or worse than someone using a normal debit card at the same store?

This "it doesn't count because government" is a plainly stupid argument. Money goes into one account after another with the lion's share going to buy food at the end.
 
2014-03-25 06:30:33 PM  

jst3p: svanmeter: jst3p: Goimir: svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment

You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.

Yeah, I don't know how unemployment works because I've never quit a job. I guess you're the authority on that. Our local welfare office had to set up an additional desk for all the people who quit their jobs because they found it easier to get Obama care and other handouts. Keep that head in the sand there amigo. Algún día dirás...¿Qué pasó? ¿Porqué se calló el gobierno?

You've never quit a job? That's hilarious!

Keep in mind, he is a liar.


Wow such anger

No anger. None at all. Just pointing out to others in this thread who may not know you that you lie.


Such a puerile response. I regret the nice things I said to you before. (Won't make that mistake again) Manus lavo
 
2014-03-25 06:33:16 PM  

svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: jst3p: Goimir: svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment

You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.

Yeah, I don't know how unemployment works because I've never quit a job. I guess you're the authority on that. Our local welfare office had to set up an additional desk for all the people who quit their jobs because they found it easier to get Obama care and other handouts. Keep that head in the sand there amigo. Algún día dirás...¿Qué pasó? ¿Porqué se calló el gobierno?

You've never quit a job? That's hilarious!

Keep in mind, he is a liar.


Wow such anger

No anger. None at all. Just pointing out to others in this thread who may not know you that you lie.

Such a puerile response. I regret the nice things I said to you before. (Won't make that mistake again) Manus lavo


www.reactiongifs.us
 
2014-03-25 06:42:29 PM  

svanmeter: Goimir: svanmeter: jst3p: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment

You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.

Yeah, I don't know how unemployment works because I've never quit a job. I guess you're the authority on that. Our local welfare office had to set up an additional desk for all the people who quit their jobs because they found it easier to get Obama care and other handouts. Keep that head in the sand there amigo. Algún día dirás...¿Qué pasó? ¿Porqué se calló el gobierno?

You've never quit a job? That's hilarious!

Yeah but not technically true. I have left jobs when I found something better. The American dream still exists if you are will in to work for it.


Which is why I've managed to fight my way across 400 miles in 15 years for an extra buck or two an hour, and left a wife and kids on the other side of the state to live alone in a 3rd floor efficiency with a shared bathroom?

Some american dream!
 
2014-03-25 06:45:41 PM  

svanmeter: DeaH: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

You cannot get unemployment if you quit your job. You cannot get unemployment if you turn down paying offers.

The most people on food stamps are working. Many of our on-shore troops and their families are on food stamps.  Shame on you.

No, shame on a liberal government who pays soldiers so little that they have to rely on food stamps.


No, shame on you for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment.

Yes, soldiers should be paid more, but the government, unlike the Walton family, is not making a profit off their low wages. Also, our troops' food stamps go a lot further than the food stamps of someone who works at Walmart because the BX really does discount food, unlike Walmart. Troops and their families also get excellent housing allowances, including free housing on base. These are not options for the person working at Walmart. Also, the military is cutting the number of troops needed now, so some of these troops and their family members will be returning to situations exactly like those of the Walmart employees.

So, shame on you, again, for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment. Shame on you more for not addressing it. Shame on you even more for only caring about active duty troops at the expense of our veterans. That is, if you have any shame.
 
2014-03-25 06:49:31 PM  

jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


How did that work out for them in Chicago?
 
2014-03-25 06:51:41 PM  

DeaH: svanmeter: DeaH: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

You cannot get unemployment if you quit your job. You cannot get unemployment if you turn down paying offers.

The most people on food stamps are working. Many of our on-shore troops and their families are on food stamps.  Shame on you.

No, shame on a liberal government who pays soldiers so little that they have to rely on food stamps.

No, shame on you for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment.

Yes, soldiers should be paid more, but the government, unlike the Walton family, is not making a profit off their low wages. Also, our troops' food stamps go a lot further than the food stamps of someone who works at Walmart because the BX really does discount food, unlike Walmart. Troops and their families also get excellent housing allowances, including free housing on base. These are not options for the person working at Walmart. Also, the military is cutting the number of troops needed now, so some of these troops and their family members will be returning to situations exactly like those of the Walmart employees.

So, shame on you, again, for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment. Shame on you more for not addressing it. Shame on you even more for only caring about active duty troops at the expense of our veterans. That is, if you have any shame.


Pretty much this.
 
2014-03-25 06:56:21 PM  

Yellow Beard: The My Little Pony Killer: Yellow Beard: meat0918: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.

The employee discount at wally world is 10% on everything except clearance items and groceries.

Down from the 15% from when I was working there, huh?

apparently. My wife and I use his discount card all the time. It is 10% now


That really blows.
 
2014-03-25 07:03:34 PM  
I've been lurking on this thread, and I wanted to thank whoever it was that suggested "A Place at the Table". I just finished watching it on Netflix. It should be required viewing for every asshole in this country (and this thread) that think people choose to be poor.

We grew up rather poor (deadbeat dad who rarely helped mom, a low level civil servant, out financially, thrift store clothes, old broken furniture, crappy car, etc) but one thing we never were was hungry. My grandmother had a huge garden and brought sacks of fresh vegetable over all the time. As an adult I realize how big a help she was.

The military gave me a leg up and got me educated, and opened the door for the good job I have now. Seeing this documentary brought back some memories of how my mom struggled, and had to tell us "no" for things other kids took for granted.
 
2014-03-25 07:11:02 PM  

freetomato: I've been lurking on this thread, and I wanted to thank whoever it was that suggested "A Place at the Table". I just finished watching it on Netflix. It should be required viewing for every asshole in this country (and this thread) that think people choose to be poor.


Saw this on another cable channel. Pissed me off, especially since I've volunteered at food banks. You can actually walk downtown here and in the shadow of the brand new million $+ condos, literally right across the street, are entire families of homeless people.
Within 20 yards of each other are the most impoverished and the most privileged, living side by side. This in the wealthiest nation on the planet that has ever existed in human history.
 
2014-03-25 07:14:03 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Yellow Beard: The My Little Pony Killer: Yellow Beard: meat0918: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.

The employee discount at wally world is 10% on everything except clearance items and groceries.

Down from the 15% from when I was working there, huh?

apparently. My wife and I use his discount card all the time. It is 10% now

That really blows.


Not really. He has a job so he can earn his own spending money and learn the value of a dollar and how to manage his money. The discount is just a little bennie. We didn't even know part timers got it.
 
2014-03-25 07:24:06 PM  

Yellow Beard: The My Little Pony Killer: Yellow Beard: The My Little Pony Killer: Yellow Beard: meat0918: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.

The employee discount at wally world is 10% on everything except clearance items and groceries.

Down from the 15% from when I was working there, huh?

apparently. My wife and I use his discount card all the time. It is 10% now

That really blows.

Not really. He has a job so he can earn his own spending money and learn the value of a dollar and how to manage his money. The discount is just a little bennie. We didn't even know part timers got it.


No, it really blows that the discount has gone down by 5% in the decade or so since I've been there, but just take a guess as to how much their profits have increased. They can afford to keep giving even their part-timers at least that 15% that I had when I was there. They *should* be getting at least that much. Walmart can afford it!
 
2014-03-25 07:37:15 PM  

DeaH: svanmeter: DeaH: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

You cannot get unemployment if you quit your job. You cannot get unemployment if you turn down paying offers.

The most people on food stamps are working. Many of our on-shore troops and their families are on food stamps.  Shame on you.

No, shame on a liberal government who pays soldiers so little that they have to rely on food stamps.

No, shame on you for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment.

Yes, soldiers should be paid more, but the government, unlike the Walton family, is not making a profit off their low wages. Also, our troops' food stamps go a lot further than the food stamps of someone who works at Walmart because the BX really does discount food, unlike Walmart. Troops and their families also get excellent housing allowances, including free housing on base. These are not options for the person working at Walmart. Also, the military is cutting the number of troops needed now, so some of these troops and their family members will be returning to situations exactly like those of the Walmart employees.

So, shame on you, again, for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment. Shame on you more for not addressing it. Shame on you even more for only caring about active duty troops at the expense of our veterans. That is, if you have any shame.


I am a veteran myself and I have a son on active duty. I have seen the additional desks set up to accommodate the throngs who have shown up to sign up for the freebies that obamacare provides. You don't say YOU are a veteran nor do I see you mention a family member in the military, so it seems you are just spewing hot air from the Socialist talking points. Shame on YOU for not serving your country. Ay, que estas mentes huecos aquí me enervan.
 
2014-03-25 08:09:29 PM  

archichris: Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation.


www.hemroidharry.com

That's a really big number to pull out of your ass. You might need this.
 
2014-03-25 08:10:53 PM  
This thread has been helpful in knowing who to farkie in piss yellow.

Green for those I like.
 
2014-03-25 08:13:06 PM  

svanmeter: DeaH: svanmeter: DeaH: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

You cannot get unemployment if you quit your job. You cannot get unemployment if you turn down paying offers.

The most people on food stamps are working. Many of our on-shore troops and their families are on food stamps.  Shame on you.

No, shame on a liberal government who pays soldiers so little that they have to rely on food stamps.

No, shame on you for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment.

Yes, soldiers should be paid more, but the government, unlike the Walton family, is not making a profit off their low wages. Also, our troops' food stamps go a lot further than the food stamps of someone who works at Walmart because the BX really does discount food, unlike Walmart. Troops and their families also get excellent housing allowances, including free housing on base. These are not options for the person working at Walmart. Also, the military is cutting the number of troops needed now, so some of these troops and their family members will be returning to situations exactly like those of the Walmart employees.

So, shame on you, again, for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment. Shame on you more for not addressing it. Shame on you even more for only caring about active duty troops at the expense of our veterans. That is, if you have any shame.

I am a veteran myself and I have a son on active duty. I have seen the additional desks set up to accommodate the throngs who have shown up to sign up for the freebies that obamacare provides. You don't say YOU are a veteran nor do I see you mention a family member in the military, so it seems you are just spewing hot air from the Socialist talking points. Shame on YOU for not serving your country. Ay, que estas mentes huecos aquí me enervan.


There is no reason for me to believe you ever served when you are so obviously lying about tables for ACA freebies and people quitting their jobs to get unemployment. You have more than proven your bonifides as a shameless liar who would stoop to lying about service. I do not have to brag about military service. I am the one who brought up food stamps for the military. I am the one who explained to you about the BX and housing allowances. You continue to lie. You are beneath contempt, and I will say nothing further to something as low and vile as you.
 
2014-03-25 08:26:01 PM  
IN this thread: lots of people saying that other people should pay their workers more.

NOT in this thread: people starting businesses and paying their employees those same wages


Put your money where your mouths are, people- start a business and pay your employees $15, $20, $50, or even $100 dollars an hour.

What? It wouldn't be profitable? You don't say...
 
2014-03-25 08:49:33 PM  

DeaH: svanmeter: DeaH: svanmeter: DeaH: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

You cannot get unemployment if you quit your job. You cannot get unemployment if you turn down paying offers.

The most people on food stamps are working. Many of our on-shore troops and their families are on food stamps.  Shame on you.

No, shame on a liberal government who pays soldiers so little that they have to rely on food stamps.

No, shame on you for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment.

Yes, soldiers should be paid more, but the government, unlike the Walton family, is not making a profit off their low wages. Also, our troops' food stamps go a lot further than the food stamps of someone who works at Walmart because the BX really does discount food, unlike Walmart. Troops and their families also get excellent housing allowances, including free housing on base. These are not options for the person working at Walmart. Also, the military is cutting the number of troops needed now, so some of these troops and their family members will be returning to situations exactly like those of the Walmart employees.

So, shame on you, again, for making up stuff about people quitting their jobs to go on unemployment. Shame on you more for not addressing it. Shame on you even more for only caring about active duty troops at the expense of our veterans. That is, if you have any shame.

I am a veteran myself and I have a son on active duty. I have seen the additional desks set up to accommodate the throngs who have shown up to sign up for the freebies that obamacare provides. You don't say YOU are a veteran nor do I see you mention a family member in the military, so it seems you are just spewing hot air from the Socialist talking points. Shame on YOU for not serving your country. Ay, que estas mentes huecos aquí me enervan.

There is no reason for me to believe you ever served when you are so obviously lying about tables for ACA freebies and people quitting their jobs to get unemployment. You have more than proven your bonifides as a shameless liar who would stoop to lying about service. I do not have to brag about military service. I am the one who brought up food stamps for the military. I am the one who explained to you about the BX and housing allowances. You continue to lie. You are beneath contempt, and I will say nothing further to something as low and vile as you.


Let's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.
 
2014-03-25 08:51:49 PM  
Newsflash. ALL MAJOR AND MINOR FOOD RETAILERS are dependent on foodstamps. If poor people can't afford food, those retailers pull out of those neighborhoods. Which means they lose out on all the business that those neighborhoods provided.
 
2014-03-25 09:04:49 PM  

vharshyde: Newsflash. ALL MAJOR AND MINOR FOOD RETAILERS are dependent on foodstamps. If poor people can't afford food, those retailers pull out of those neighborhoods. Which means they lose out on all the business that those neighborhoods provided.


It can cost more to run a supermarket in a poor neighborhood because of much higher shrinkage (theft).  I wonder if the types of food items purchased makes any measurable difference.  I would think stores in more well to do areas would sell more higher end items.  Insurance rates in poor areas can also be substantially higher.  Basic maintenance will also be higher (cleaning gang graffiti, etc).  I'm guessing (you can translate that to "pulling out of my ass") that the poorer neighborhood stores are going to be struggling a lot more because of all those factors, so profits from foodstamps have a steep hill to get past to make the store worth running.
 
2014-03-25 09:11:33 PM  
svanmeter:mLet's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.

I do have one. 26 years, just retired in January, thank you very much. What you don't get is that fark isn't like Fox or Free Republic, where you can state any outrageous grievance without citation. You have made claims of people quitting their jobs with the sole intent of living off government largesse, yet have not provided one factual citation to support your assertion. Of course you will be called on it. Of course you will be mocked when you fail to back it up. You are relatively new here. A tip. Have your sources at the ready. It makes for a more convincing argument.

You seem like an intelligent guy. I am sure you can find the supporting data that will clear matters right up. I look forward to seeing it.
 
2014-03-25 09:38:45 PM  
Just work there and in a few years you can work your way up the ranks.
So their commercials claim.
Real word is if becoming a manager was that easy, everyone would be one. Just hard work isn't going to do it.

Few win the lotto, few military people become generals, and few actors become famous.
 
2014-03-25 09:47:47 PM  

fredklein: IN this thread: lots of people saying that other people should pay their workers more.

NOT in this thread: people starting businesses and paying their employees those same wages


Put your money where your mouths are, people- start a business and pay your employees $15, $20, $50, or even $100 dollars an hour.

What? It wouldn't be profitable? You don't say...


You seem to be cherry picking information.  You apparently have ignored the many people saying Walmart is essentially taking advantage of welfare benefits subsidizing employee pay.

And furthermore taking in those same government dollars in sales.

It's not just any business that people are saying should pay employees more.  Its Walmart being discussed because of how they specifically take advantage of the system in two ways.
 
2014-03-25 10:02:05 PM  

freetomato: svanmeter:mLet's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.

I do have one. 26 years, just retired in January, thank you very much. What you don't get is that fark isn't like Fox or Free Republic, where you can state any outrageous grievance without citation. You have made claims of people quitting their jobs with the sole intent of living off government largesse, yet have not provided one factual citation to support your assertion. Of course you will be called on it. Of course you will be mocked when you fail to back it up. You are relatively new here. A tip. Have your sources at the ready. It makes for a more convincing argument.

You seem like an intelligent guy. I am sure you can find the supporting data that will clear matters right up. I look forward to seeing it.


It just occurred to me what seems far fetched to you, and so self evident to me may be a result of your not living in California. I'm pretty sure there is much information out there which shows how California compares with hand-outs in relation to other states, but I'm not interested enough to research it, nor am I interested in proving anything to you. You strike me as a close minded person who quickly resorts to ad homonym attacks when someone has an opinion that does not fit your world view. If you did in fact serve our country as you say, then I owe you an apology for saying "shame on you" for not serving. I stand by my opinion that our government pays our troops too little and is to generous with "entitlements" for those who are NOT entitled.
 
2014-03-25 10:17:35 PM  

svanmeter: freetomato: svanmeter:mLet's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.

I do have one. 26 years, just retired in January, thank you very much. What you don't get is that fark isn't like Fox or Free Republic, where you can state any outrageous grievance without citation. You have made claims of people quitting their jobs with the sole intent of living off government largesse, yet have not provided one factual citation to support your assertion. Of course you will be called on it. Of course you will be mocked when you fail to back it up. You are relatively new here. A tip. Have your sources at the ready. It makes for a more convincing argument.

You seem like an intelligent guy. I am sure you can find the supporting data that will clear matters right up. I look forward to seeing it.

It just occurred to me what seems far fetched to you, and so self evident to me may be a result of your not living in California. I'm pretty sure there is much information out there which shows how California compares with hand-outs in relation to other states, but I'm not interested enough to research it, nor am I interested in proving anything to you. You strike me as a close minded person who quickly resorts to ad homonym attacks when someone has an opinion that does not fit your world view. If you did in fact serve our country as you say, then I owe you an apology for saying "shame on you" for not serving. I stand by my opinion that our government pays our troops too little and is to generous with "entitlements" for those who are NOT entitled.


I think what he finds disagreeable in you isn't the differences of opinion, rather the blatant lies you have told.
 
2014-03-25 10:20:54 PM  

svanmeter: Let's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.


Look dude, you've already gotten busted lying in the thread, and I didn't even see anyone point out that you don't get unemployment if you quit... so that's just another lie. Throwing out your imaginary DD-214 isn't going to help you, it's the internet, nobody believes your fake credentials, especially not when you've already gotten busted lying in the same thread. Move on, troll another thread, best of luck to you in your endeavours and all that. If you do have a real DD-214, thank you for your service, but please don't bust out military credentials right after you get caught lying, it does a disservice to us all.
 
2014-03-25 10:24:49 PM  

jst3p: svanmeter: freetomato: svanmeter:mLet's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.

I do have one. 26 years, just retired in January, thank you very much. What you don't get is that fark isn't like Fox or Free Republic, where you can state any outrageous grievance without citation. You have made claims of people quitting their jobs with the sole intent of living off government largesse, yet have not provided one factual citation to support your assertion. Of course you will be called on it. Of course you will be mocked when you fail to back it up. You are relatively new here. A tip. Have your sources at the ready. It makes for a more convincing argument.

You seem like an intelligent guy. I am sure you can find the supporting data that will clear matters right up. I look forward to seeing it.

It just occurred to me what seems far fetched to you, and so self evident to me may be a result of your not living in California. I'm pretty sure there is much information out there which shows how California compares with hand-outs in relation to other states, but I'm not interested enough to research it, nor am I interested in proving anything to you. You strike me as a close minded person who quickly resorts to ad homonym attacks when someone has an opinion that does not fit your world view. If you did in fact serve our country as you say, then I owe you an apology for saying "shame on you" for not serving. I stand by my opinion that our government pays our troops too little and is to generous with "entitlements" for those who are NOT entitled.

I think what he finds disagreeable in you isn't the differences of opinion, rather the blatant lies you have told.


Jst3p: did you learn propaganda techniques from Goebels? You repeat the same lie over and over. Maybe the Germans were gullible enough to believe repeated lies, but I suspect the FARK community may be a little less gullible. Get a life girl.
 
2014-03-25 10:27:46 PM  

svanmeter: freetomato: svanmeter:mLet's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.

I do have one. 26 years, just retired in January, thank you very much. What you don't get is that fark isn't like Fox or Free Republic, where you can state any outrageous grievance without citation. You have made claims of people quitting their jobs with the sole intent of living off government largesse, yet have not provided one factual citation to support your assertion. Of course you will be called on it. Of course you will be mocked when you fail to back it up. You are relatively new here. A tip. Have your sources at the ready. It makes for a more convincing argument.

You seem like an intelligent guy. I am sure you can find the supporting data that will clear matters right up. I look forward to seeing it.

It just occurred to me what seems far fetched to you, and so self evident to me may be a result of your not living in California. I'm pretty sure there is much information out there which shows how California compares with hand-outs in relation to other states, but I'm not interested enough to research it, nor am I interested in proving anything to you. You strike me as a close minded person who quickly resorts to ad homonym attacks when someone has an opinion that does not fit your world view. If you did in fact serve our country as you say, then I owe you an apology for saying "shame on you" for not serving. I stand by my opinion that our government pays our troops too little and is to generous with "entitlements" for those who are NOT entitled.


I grew up in Citrus Heights, CA, a suburb of Sacramento. My family resides across the narrow neck of CA, from Tahoe to San Francisco. I know Northern California like the back of my hand. My working poor sisters have health insurance for the first time in their lives, and they are thrilled by it. Many of us who have had insurance for years don't get how big a deal that is. I have Tricare, and once my active duty husband retires, Tricare for Life at a reasonable fee. You as a vet have the same VA coverage, right?

Kind of socialist, isn't it? I'm grateful for it. If I get a weird growth or start crapping blood, I can see a doc rather than get admitted in the ER.
 
2014-03-25 10:36:28 PM  

svanmeter: I've had many jobs but I always left one job for another


svanmeter: I've never quit a job.



One of these two statements you made must be a lie, they can not both be true.


svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment.


Lie. You never demonstrated that people were quitting their jobs in high numbers nor their motivation for them doing so. In fact your claim is impossible because it isn't possible to quit your job because you want want to go on the dole and collect unemployment.

svanmeter:

Jst3p: did you learn propaganda techniques from Goebels? You repeat the same lie over and over. Maybe the Germans were gullible enough to believe repeated lies, but I suspect the FARK community may be a little less gullible. Get a life girl.


Do tell about the lies you don't tell...
 
2014-03-25 10:42:29 PM  

freetomato: svanmeter: freetomato: svanmeter:mLet's compare DD-214's scumbag. Oh wait, you don't have one.

I do have one. 26 years, just retired in January, thank you very much. What you don't get is that fark isn't like Fox or Free Republic, where you can state any outrageous grievance without citation. You have made claims of people quitting their jobs with the sole intent of living off government largesse, yet have not provided one factual citation to support your assertion. Of course you will be called on it. Of course you will be mocked when you fail to back it up. You are relatively new here. A tip. Have your sources at the ready. It makes for a more convincing argument.

You seem like an intelligent guy. I am sure you can find the supporting data that will clear matters right up. I look forward to seeing it.

It just occurred to me what seems far fetched to you, and so self evident to me may be a result of your not living in California. I'm pretty sure there is much information out there which shows how California compares with hand-outs in relation to other states, but I'm not interested enough to research it, nor am I interested in proving anything to you. You strike me as a close minded person who quickly resorts to ad homonym attacks when someone has an opinion that does not fit your world view. If you did in fact serve our country as you say, then I owe you an apology for saying "shame on you" for not serving. I stand by my opinion that our government pays our troops too little and is to generous with "entitlements" for those who are NOT entitled.

I grew up in Citrus Heights, CA, a suburb of Sacramento. My family resides across the narrow neck of CA, from Tahoe to San Francisco. I know Northern California like the back of my hand. My working poor sisters have health insurance for the first time in their lives, and they are thrilled by it. Many of us who have had insurance for years don't get how big a deal that is. I have Tricare, and once my active duty husband retires, Tricare for Life at a reasonable fee. You as a vet have the same VA coverage, right?

Kind of socialist, isn't it? I'm grateful for it. If I get a weird growth or start crapping blood, I can see a doc rather than get admitted in the ER.


I don't begrudge you or your husband. I take issue with welfare cheats and people who use the "safety net" as a hammock. BTW, my issue is with Stockton. You will no doubt be familiar. (Enough said). It is quite easy to have a jaded view of society with that example as a point of reference. I believe I may have misjudged you. You seem like a reasonable person.
 
2014-03-25 10:43:33 PM  
Let me clarify. I am former active duty/ retired Air National Guard. My husband is AGR Air Guard. We have Tricare, which is mostly awesome. We both will have access to Tricare and VA here on out, and frankly I won't apologize for that. However, in this great country, people should not die for lack of basic healthcare.

"A Place at the Table" stuck with me. BILLIONS in corporate welfare and many don't blink an eye as working families decide daily whether to pay a bill or buy milk. Obscene.
 
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