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(Chicago Trib)   Has Wal-Mart become a welfare queen after revealing it is dependent on food stamps?   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 512
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2014-03-25 01:04:19 PM  

archichris: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Walmarts wages are above minimum. Typically 50 people show up to apply for every position.

The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.


constitutionalley.us


\tard
 
2014-03-25 01:05:07 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Born_Again_Bavarian: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Enough of this.  Those in the lower military pay grades aren't poor because they aren't paid enough.  They are poor because they suck at managing their money.

An 18 year old E-1 with more than 4 months in makes over $18,000 per year.  That might not be a lot in the civilian world, but when your job training, medical insurance, housing, utilities, food and work clothes don't have to be paid out of that money it suddenly because a signifigant amount.  Of course few people remain an E-1 for long.  In 3 years you will most likely be an E-4 pulling in almost $27k per year.

There was a time when people in the military weren't paid very well.  That time is long gone.  Mid career enlisted make about $40k.  Mid career officers make $80k.


$27,000/yr hasn't been good money in the DC area since the early 2000's, and even then you couldn't buy a house and support a family of four comfortably. What happens to those military families who get shipped from shiat Hill, Oklahoma to Andrews AFB in Maryland? Does their pay increase?


Yes, there's a Basic Allowance for Housing that goes on top of the $27k base pay. For an E-4 with dependents, that's $990 per month in shiat Hill, OK (assuming that's near Tinker AFB), which increases to $2,034 per month in the Andrews AFB zip code. Effectively, that E-4 is making $51,000 per year if he's in the DC area and living off base. And BAH isn't rent-dependent; if you find somewhere cheaper to live, you pocket the difference.
 
2014-03-25 01:07:43 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Yellow Beard: meat0918: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.

The employee discount at wally world is 10% on everything except clearance items and groceries.

Down from the 15% from when I was working there, huh?


apparently. My wife and I use his discount card all the time. It is 10% now
 
2014-03-25 01:08:48 PM  

Bazzlex001: Has anyone mentioned that this has allowed Wal-Mart to externalize one of its largest costs, which has allowed it to compete at an unnatural level in the marketplace, allowing it to become as large as it is today by swallowing up entire communities worth of other establishments?


Some of its other costs are also externalized. How many Supercenters do you think open without some kind of tax break?

Small town Fox News viewers: "Wal-Mart is interested in our town? Our economy will explode! Do anything they want to get them here!"

(2 years later)

Small town Fox News viewers: "All the small business in our town are gone, and Wal-Mart is our biggest employer. Most of Wal-Mart's employees are on food stamps. This is the liberals' fault!"
 
2014-03-25 01:09:51 PM  

LazyMedia: svanmeter: buckler: svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.

As is mentioned in every single welfare thread, people on food stamps usually get the cheapest food they can find, which generally means heavily processed foods instead of fresh produce and meats. These are also the foods with the least nutritional value and the most likelihood of causing obesity and other health problems.

Amazing how you too missed the point. Let me spell it out for you. First you want us to pay for freeloaders, then you want us to care if they get fat and lazy. Welfare was meant as a safety net, not a hammock.¡Carajo que hay brutos en esta página!

Food stamps aren't welfare. Food stamps are meant as a safety net against hunger for people, many of whom WORK FULL TIME, who don't make enough money to feed their kids properly. The solution to underfed kids whose parents pick lettuce and dig ditches is not to STOP FEEDING THE KIDS, and biatch at the parents to go get a better job. Somebody's got to pick the farking lettuce, and hungry kids don't grow up to pay as much of the Social Security taxes that will support your lazy ass once you're retired.


"Lazy ass once you're retired"? How can you work for a living, earn a retirement, then be called lazy? Sad logic there.

Why do we keep hearing that Social Security will run out of money but we never hear that Welfare will run out of money?
 
2014-03-25 01:10:11 PM  

LazyMedia: Welcome to America. Pretty much all service member's wives work, like everyone else in the working class, and when they get laid off, they wind up on food stamps. The pay structure is set up for new recruits who are 18 and single; married service members with dependents get some additional bennies like a housing allowance, but it's not enough to make up for the additional expense.

Still, an E-1 makes more than $18,000 a year in base pay alone; that's the equivalent of $9 per hour. Not bad money for an 18-year-old with only a high school diploma, and if you make your expected promotions, you can retire in 20 years when you'll be making over $50k per year in base pay. And if you're married and living, say, in Mobile, AL, you get an extra $1,000 a month as an E-1 for housing. So that's $30k per year, or the equivalent of $15 an hour. The housing allowance goes up with rank, just like pay, and promotion up to E-3 is basically automatic.

America's troops are not underpaid, but some of them have more expenses than they can afford on one fairly decent wage.


Since you seem to be familiar with this stuff, perhaps you could answer a few questions:

1) How much are they expected to pay for their uniforms and equipment?

2) If they are living in barracks and eating in the mess hall, does room and board come out their paycheck?

2) Is medical care completely "free" for service people, or is there a deduction out of the pay numbers you quoted to cover it?

3) If a service gets medical coverage for their family, does it come out of their paycheck?  Does it cover pretty much everything?

4) If you come down with something expensive, long lasting and not combat related--say, cancer--that gets you medically discharged, are you able to continue the coverage you had as a member of the service?
 
2014-03-25 01:11:24 PM  
Whatnow, either you're a magnificent troll, or you're wholly uninformed about how well our military personnel are compensated. I like you, but wow you're wrong about this one.

In all of this talk about military compensation, and their various free or subsidized amenities, nobody has even mentioned the ample college benefits. That's on top of everything else mentioned in the thread.
 
2014-03-25 01:11:40 PM  
They're laughing at us:
http://youtu.be/xLTTX35LNJo
 
2014-03-25 01:11:59 PM  

svanmeter: Why do we keep hearing that Social Security will run out of money


I was first told that when I was in high school.


In 1989.
 
2014-03-25 01:13:18 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Mad_Radhu: factoryconnection: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Junior enlisted paygrades are low in pay because they're expected to be trainees.  When you enlist with a few kids, or enlist and then knock up the first girl that bats her eyes at you in an off-base bar you're going to struggle.  However, advancement is fairly regular early on and there are always time-in-service pay raises.  Furthermore, military families get free healthcare, subsidized groceries, tax-free housing and subsistence allowances, or they get base housing.  Yes some junior enlisted personnel with kids end up using SNAP, but they are not the general case unlike Wal-Mart.

My brother enlisted and got married right out of basic, and he and his wife did fine on his pay and allowances. They weren't living large, but they always had a roof over their heads, they ate well and had medical care provided by the base. I have to wonder if some of the military families just applied for food stamps so they could pocket the food allowance money and spend it on cigarettes and beer, because unless you enlist with a small litter of kids you should be fine with the basic necessities all paid for.

If you know someone in the service there are all sorts of ways to stretch the allowance money. For example, my brother roomed with two other guys after his divorce, and they were all getting a $800 or so housing allowance so they rented a three bedroom house for $1600 a month and pocketed the extra $800 for beer money.

Why do the type of people that enlist in the army feel so compelled to marry right away?  My step brother did the same thing. He joined the army because he was a biatch that got beat up by my petite step-sister and he thought this would make him a man. Of course, he got a divorce too.  Such a boring cliche.


Because you get paid more if you're married.  If you are single and living in the barracks you are missing out on your food and housing allowance.  The soldiers all know this as do all the lower class girls in town.  We used to call them "dorm sluts" because they would screw everyone hoping to get knocked up.  Once you got the baby you got him by the balls.

It goes like this:

1.  Screw around until you get pregnant
2.  Get married
3.  Profit!
4.  ?????
5.  Start sleeping around, get divorced
6.  Get pregnant again
7.  Profit!

That is why the whole debate over the "sanctity of marriage" was so amusing to current and former military people (whether they cared to admit it or not)................everyone in the military knows someone in a sham marriage.  Everyone.
 
2014-03-25 01:13:19 PM  

clkeagle: Bazzlex001: Has anyone mentioned that this has allowed Wal-Mart to externalize one of its largest costs, which has allowed it to compete at an unnatural level in the marketplace, allowing it to become as large as it is today by swallowing up entire communities worth of other establishments?

Some of its other costs are also externalized. How many Supercenters do you think open without some kind of tax break?

Small town Fox News viewers: "Wal-Mart is interested in our town? Our economy will explode! Do anything they want to get them here!"

(2 years later)

Small town Fox News viewers: "All the small business in our town are gone, and Wal-Mart is our biggest employer. Most of Wal-Mart's employees are on food stamps. This is the liberals' fault!"


Oh absolutely. I just loved how TFA had absolutely no analysis of this.
 
2014-03-25 01:14:42 PM  
Thanks for all of the informative answers. I actually used to work at Walter Reed for a short time between accounting jobs at the beginning of the war. The department that I was in provided temporary housing for veterans and their families when they were visiting the hospital. I was not there long enough to learn all of the ins and outs but what i do remember is the absolute nickel squeezing poverty of the soldiers. There wasn't a lot of affordable 9or inhabitable) housing in that area so many of them ended up staying in a block of rooms that we had at the local Motel 6. The soldiers, male and female, always seemed miserable and I don't recall speaking to one of them who was happy about their decision to join...and this was BEFORE the war (Summer 2002).
 
2014-03-25 01:14:48 PM  

flondrix: Since you seem to be familiar with this stuff, perhaps you could answer a few questions:

1) How much are they expected to pay for their uniforms and equipment?

2) If they are living in barracks and eating in the mess hall, does room and board come out their paycheck?

2) Is medical care completely "free" for service people, or is there a deduction out of the pay numbers you quoted to cover it?

3) If a service gets medical coverage for their family, does it come out of their paycheck? Does it cover pretty much everything?

4) If you come down with something expensive, long lasting and not combat related--say, cancer--that gets you medically discharged, are you able to continue the coverage you had as a member of the service?


1)Every year you get a uniform allowance it's $290
2)Nope
3)free
4)I don't think but I have never researched it.
 
2014-03-25 01:16:03 PM  

Dwindle: someonelse: Approximately how many people have you known for 20 years, and have known well enough to know they are on welfare that whole time? Ballpark estimate. And why were you privy to that information, exactly?

Because I worked for a property maintenance company for five years and processed all of their paperwork. New Bedford, Ma. is essentially a dumping ground for southern Mass poor people, and almost all were living on the dole (although several of them were legitimately disabled).

More to the point, I grew up in a piss poor town in the middle of the woods, and all of my friends lived off food stamps and welfare. Their fathers grew pot or sold drugs, their mothers gave handjobs at the truck stop for $5. They both worked cash jobs so they wouldn't lose the benefits, mostly construction and waiting tables.

Many of them grew up to be just like them.


1. Ballpark estimate. 2. How did you know?

You addressed neither one.
 
2014-03-25 01:16:27 PM  

archichris: Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.


Right. Because the lower class had things so much better before corporate regulations. Our venerated employer-class will definitely pass the savings of reduced regulations on to their employees.

The wealth will "trickle-down" in a sense. Where have I heard that before?

Do you people actually believe this garbage?
 
2014-03-25 01:16:48 PM  
My brother is 28 and got sick when he was 17. He goes to the hospital every other week or so for blood transfusions. He visits the hospital constantly for various appointments with various doctors.

He will need a liver transplant at some point.

Since most employers frown on their employees shiatting blood in the company bathroom, and for a litany of other reasons, he cannot work and is on disability.

If any of you GOP "welfare queens is the devil" assholes would care to visit with my brother and myself, perhaps you will see the light.

If you do not, I will be happy to beat whatever light you may have right the hell out of you.

You are misinformed ignorant hate mongers, you have no place in this country, please do us all a favor and eat a bullet, but only after shooting and killing any breeding stock in your clan.

I dare you to crawl out from behind your monitors and take me up on my offer.
 
2014-03-25 01:18:09 PM  

svanmeter: They're laughing at us:
http://youtu.be/xLTTX35LNJo


As fascinating as that documentary is I will go with these numbers:

meat0918: I'll take that SNAP has a fantastic track record of addressing fraud and abuse (only 3.8% in 2011), while the opposition moves the goal posts.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3239
 
2014-03-25 01:19:18 PM  

jst3p: Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.

Tax free, right?


Sub $20k wage earners aren't pay much if anything in federal taxes.  They do pay payroll taxes, of course.  All of their allowances (BAH, BAS, etc) are tax free.  The healthcare expense isn't even seen by the military member.  If you enlisted from a state where they pay state income taxes, change your home residence state..  You can pick any state you want.
 
2014-03-25 01:20:45 PM  
Wal-Mart has always been a welfare queen.  However, it is only the 2nd largest welfare queen behind Israel.
 
2014-03-25 01:21:02 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: That is why the whole debate over the "sanctity of marriage" was so amusing to current and former military people (whether they cared to admit it or not)................everyone in the military knows someone in a sham marriage. Everyone.



Before DODT was repealed a buddy of mine, who was flamboyantly gay, routed a request chit to get married to another sailor, a female, who was also a lesbian. The CMC had a chat with him and he withdrew his request, but I was interested to see what kind of legal grounds they would've had to deny the chit. None, as far as I saw it.
 
2014-03-25 01:24:41 PM  

LazyMedia: Dwindle: women always get bennies.

No, they don't. Welfare reform in the '90s means you get two years of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, life time, total. Use that up, and you're in the same boat as a single man.

Fortunately, the vast majority of able-bodied people who get welfare or food stamps wind up eventually getting a job and moving off benefits. The "perpetual welfare" myth today applies only to old and disabled people. There's a fair amount of fraud in the disability area, but it's not like you should tell the majority of disabled or old people to just be more boot-strappy, and cut their benefits.




I wonder if increasing requirements to qualify for disability actually increases the amount of fraud. As someone very disabled who has needed to be on SSI for years, I haven't applied yet because I barely handle getting out for one doctor's appointment a month. Until my health is better, or I get a fairy godmother, I can't work through the logistics of applying for SSI. I've always been very bright and good at making plans, but now I reschedule doctor's appointments regularly because I can't get my thoughts organized enough to know what I need to do during the visit, or the energy to get ready and look presentable.

Thank god Kentucky's Medicaid expansion and application made it super easy to get insurance once I hit 26.
 
2014-03-25 01:24:45 PM  

Linux_Yes: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

Brilliant!   throw the baby out with the bathwater.  as long as its not your baby.   i smell a republican again.  well done!


Actually, it might be a good short term idea. Eliminate food stamps and say: 'Well, if your employer actually paid you a living wage, you and your kids wouldn't starve.'

Sit back and enjoy the riots.
 
2014-03-25 01:25:03 PM  

flondrix: LazyMedia: Welcome to America. Pretty much all service member's wives work, like everyone else in the working class, and when they get laid off, they wind up on food stamps. The pay structure is set up for new recruits who are 18 and single; married service members with dependents get some additional bennies like a housing allowance, but it's not enough to make up for the additional expense.

Still, an E-1 makes more than $18,000 a year in base pay alone; that's the equivalent of $9 per hour. Not bad money for an 18-year-old with only a high school diploma, and if you make your expected promotions, you can retire in 20 years when you'll be making over $50k per year in base pay. And if you're married and living, say, in Mobile, AL, you get an extra $1,000 a month as an E-1 for housing. So that's $30k per year, or the equivalent of $15 an hour. The housing allowance goes up with rank, just like pay, and promotion up to E-3 is basically automatic.

America's troops are not underpaid, but some of them have more expenses than they can afford on one fairly decent wage.

Since you seem to be familiar with this stuff, perhaps you could answer a few questions:

1) How much are they expected to pay for their uniforms and equipment?


They're issued a full set of uniforms, and they get a monthly stipend to replace them as they wear out, but they actually wind up out of pocket on this to some extent. All equipment is owned by the government, as are "organizational uniforms" like the cammies they wear in Afghanistan.

2) If they are living in barracks and eating in the mess hall, does room and board come out their paycheck?

No, not if they're enlisted. Officers pay for their own food and uniforms, but they make a lot more money.

2) Is medical care completely "free" for service people, or is there a deduction out of the pay numbers you quoted to cover it?

It is completely free. They pay Medicare taxes like everyone else, but military health care is completely free. Outside civilian doctors are reimbursed through Tricare, with no co-pay.

3) If a service gets medical coverage for their family, does it come out of their paycheck?  Does it cover pretty much everything?

Dependents are automatically covered under active-duty Tricare.

4) If you come down with something expensive, long lasting and not combat related--say, cancer--that gets you medically discharged, are you able to continue the coverage you had as a member of the service?

Yes. You transition from Tricare to VA coverage, which pays out depending on the percentage of your disability.

Other major benefits are the post-9/11 GI bill, which pays 100 percent of the cost of a public university education (including a housing allowance) and can be transferred to your kids.

The U.S. military is an extremely stable and financially sound career choice. You might get shot, but you will be taken care of financially.
 
2014-03-25 01:25:22 PM  

Headso: archichris: But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.

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That looks like a great lifestyle, but how am I supposed to learn about it??
 
2014-03-25 01:26:41 PM  

Pick: I've been working straight for about 45 years. I should be allowed to be rewarded for all my service and taxes paid by at least $200 a month in food stamps and an O'Barner Phone for the rest of my life. I am entitled.


you mean a Ronniephone. The program was created by your Savior the Lord God Ronald Reagan. But hey, you look cute with Lipton bags hanging off you cheap Chinese made pirate hat.
 
2014-03-25 01:28:30 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: jst3p: Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.

Tax free, right?

Sub $20k wage earners aren't pay much if anything in federal taxes.  They do pay payroll taxes, of course.  All of their allowances (BAH, BAS, etc) are tax free.  The healthcare expense isn't even seen by the military member.  If you enlisted from a state where they pay state income taxes, change your home residence state..  You can pick any state you want.


It is shameful how little my son in the Army is paid. It is even more shameful that the government just CUT the military's pay even further. ¡Que vergüenza señor Obama!
 
2014-03-25 01:28:39 PM  

LazyMedia: They're issued a full set of uniforms, and they get a monthly stipend to replace them as they wear out


It's not monthly, it's every two years. And you're right that it usually doesn't cover the costs, with tailoring (patches) factored in.
 
2014-03-25 01:28:54 PM  
archichris:
Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.


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2014-03-25 01:29:45 PM  

Mathematics of Wonton Burrito Meals: Hobodeluxe: yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

60 million people to get a job and not be bums?


Hey, everyone!  Look at this idiot who thinks people on food stamps don't have jobs!  Even though the whole point of the article we're discussing is that there are so many people with jobs who still can't afford food!  Pointing and laughing is free, but if you want a tomato to throw that'll cost you (food stamps accepted).
 
2014-03-25 01:29:53 PM  

TheNewJesus: My brother is 28 and got sick when he was 17. He goes to the hospital every other week or so for blood transfusions. He visits the hospital constantly for various appointments with various doctors.

He will need a liver transplant at some point.

Since most employers frown on their employees shiatting blood in the company bathroom, and for a litany of other reasons, he cannot work and is on disability.

If any of you GOP "welfare queens is the devil" assholes would care to visit with my brother and myself, perhaps you will see the light.

If you do not, I will be happy to beat whatever light you may have right the hell out of you.

You are misinformed ignorant hate mongers, you have no place in this country, please do us all a favor and eat a bullet, but only after shooting and killing any breeding stock in your clan.

I dare you to crawl out from behind your monitors and take me up on my offer.


Well said, and I feel for your brother. Such a young man to be that ill, poor dude. Best wishes to him.

It really is amazing how the "Christian" conservatives are so incensed by any type of food to the hungry, any healing for the sick, or basically everything I was always taught is... Christian. These conservatives go on and on and on about mythical "welfare queens" while having no problem with us spending nearly as much as the entire rest of the planet combined on "defense" (read: killing machines), corporate welfare and all the rest. The one big issue that really gets them going is aid to the poor. It's a magical hot-button issue that gets almost all of them all riled up, the very possibility that someone is enjoying comfort they didn't earn. Not that people are enduring suffering they don't deserve; nope, that's not their problem. How Christian of them.
 
2014-03-25 01:32:22 PM  
LazyMedia: Flondrix: 3) If a service gets medical coverage for their family, does it come out of their paycheck?  Does it cover pretty much everything?
Dependents are automatically covered under active-duty Tricare.


There are still noticeable co-pays for dependent care (especially specialized care like mental health services), but it's still dirt cheap compared to most private insurers.

When it comes down to it, the military has really good pay and benefits compared to the majority of the private sector, and has enjoyed fairly robust pay increases in the post-Dot-Com-bubble US. The real question... are troops overcompensated, or has the rest of America been undercompensated? I believe the latter to be completely true.
 
2014-03-25 01:32:55 PM  

menschenfresser: TheNewJesus: My brother is 28 and got sick when he was 17. He goes to the hospital every other week or so for blood transfusions. He visits the hospital constantly for various appointments with various doctors.

He will need a liver transplant at some point.

Since most employers frown on their employees shiatting blood in the company bathroom, and for a litany of other reasons, he cannot work and is on disability.

If any of you GOP "welfare queens is the devil" assholes would care to visit with my brother and myself, perhaps you will see the light.

If you do not, I will be happy to beat whatever light you may have right the hell out of you.

You are misinformed ignorant hate mongers, you have no place in this country, please do us all a favor and eat a bullet, but only after shooting and killing any breeding stock in your clan.

I dare you to crawl out from behind your monitors and take me up on my offer.

Well said, and I feel for your brother. Such a young man to be that ill, poor dude. Best wishes to him.

It really is amazing how the "Christian" conservatives are so incensed by any type of food to the hungry, any healing for the sick, or basically everything I was always taught is... Christian. These conservatives go on and on and on about mythical "welfare queens" while having no problem with us spending nearly as much as the entire rest of the planet combined on "defense" (read: killing machines), corporate welfare and all the rest. The one big issue that really gets them going is aid to the poor. It's a magical hot-button issue that gets almost all of them all riled up, the very possibility that someone is enjoying comfort they didn't earn. Not that people are enduring suffering they don't deserve; nope, that's not their problem. How Christian of them.


Religious extremists don't need a god, they just need a devil.
 
2014-03-25 01:33:07 PM  

meat0918: DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.

The staples are similar in price, but I go to WinCo in Oregon because the food (and beer) IS cheaper than Walmart.

I've gotten strange looks from some of our new social peers about grocery habits on the rare occasion they come up. They can't understand why my wife and I are still shopping at WinCo instead of Market of Choice (think Whole Foods) or at least Safeway or Albertson's or Fred Meyers, since we can afford it now.  Politeness dictates we doesn't answer rudely of course, but I really want to say something crude, along the lines of "Because I'm a farking cheapskate and don't want to pay more than I have to just to gain some stupid farking social status over food."

Don't even bring up Walmart among this group.  You might as well have shot a puppy.


and because Winco is employee owned
 
2014-03-25 01:33:58 PM  

menschenfresser: Clearly, the solution is to give the super-rich tax cuts.

The Waltons could then continue with their job creation duties. They won't do that, though, unless we cut their taxes even more, because we're hostage to their whims or something.


a137.idata.over-blog.com
 
2014-03-25 01:34:37 PM  

dascott: Living high on the hog on welfare, that's a good one.

Those people might exist, and we have a word for them: Criminals.


===========

Yup.  In 2010 I worked for the Census.  I worked in several AAs from very wealthy to very poor.  I saw these welfare people "living high on the hog".   God help you if you ever end up on welfare with nothing else.
 
2014-03-25 01:35:05 PM  

GnomePaladin: Mathematics of Wonton Burrito Meals: Hobodeluxe: yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

60 million people to get a job and not be bums?

Hey, everyone!  Look at this idiot who thinks people on food stamps don't have jobs!  Even though the whole point of the article we're discussing is that there are so many people with jobs who still can't afford food!  Pointing and laughing is free, but if you want a tomato to throw that'll cost you (food stamps accepted).


Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

http://youtu.be/xLTTX35LNJo

No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver.
 
2014-03-25 01:35:07 PM  

svanmeter: Born_Again_Bavarian: jst3p: Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.

Tax free, right?

Sub $20k wage earners aren't pay much if anything in federal taxes.  They do pay payroll taxes, of course.  All of their allowances (BAH, BAS, etc) are tax free.  The healthcare expense isn't even seen by the military member.  If you enlisted from a state where they pay state income taxes, change your home residence state..  You can pick any state you want.

It is shameful how little my son in the Army is paid. It is even more shameful that the government just CUT the military's pay even further. ¡Que vergüenza señor Obama!


What the crap are you talking about? We just got a 1.8 percent pay raise. Your son is lying to you so he doesn't have to send as much money home, the little puta.
 
2014-03-25 01:36:22 PM  

anuran: meat0918: DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.

The staples are similar in price, but I go to WinCo in Oregon because the food (and beer) IS cheaper than Walmart.

I've gotten strange looks from some of our new social peers about grocery habits on the rare occasion they come up. They can't understand why my wife and I are still shopping at WinCo instead of Market of Choice (think Whole Foods) or at least Safeway or Albertson's or Fred Meyers, since we can afford it now.  Politeness dictates we doesn't answer rudely of course, but I really want to say something crude, along the lines of "Because I'm a farking cheapskate and don't want to pay more than I have to just to gain some stupid farking social status over food."

Don't even bring up Walmart among this group.  You might as well have shot a puppy.

and because Winco is employee owned


I like WinCo a lot.
 
2014-03-25 01:37:20 PM  
The U.S. military is an extremely stable and financially sound career choice. You might get shot, but you will be taken care of financially.

I tell people that if they want the stability of being in the military but don't want to get shot at, pick a service and job that accomidates that.  Coast Guard?  Yep.  The USCG has some dangerous jobs but those are all voluntary positions.  I have a friend in the USCG who spend a portion of his career patroling a lake in Vermont that sits on the border.  I'm sure they run into some unsavory characters on occasion but its nothing like walking a beat in Afghanistan.  You can also pick a clerical job in any of the services.  It might not be right but E-4 pay is the same everywhere............doesn't matter if you are making copies in a air conditioned office at a AF base in Oklahoma or clearing a house of suspected terrorists in Afghanistan.
 
2014-03-25 01:37:21 PM  

Pangea: archichris: Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.

Right. Because the lower class had things so much better before corporate regulations. Our venerated employer-class will definitely pass the savings of reduced regulations on to their employees.

The wealth will "trickle-down" in a sense. Where have I heard that before?

Do you people actually believe this garbage?


Because they've forgotten why unions rose to power in the first place.  Lets dump all the regulations that placate the public enough that they don't feel the need to form angry mobs and go on organized mass strikes.  Lets see what happens to corporate profits when their workers are rioting in the streets.  Want to see America fully embrace socialism?  Just let the Tea Party run the country for a few years.
 
2014-03-25 01:37:44 PM  

archichris: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Walmarts wages are above minimum. Typically 50 people show up to apply for every position.

The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.


i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-25 01:37:47 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Carn: If you're in favor of large corporations paying sub-standard wages


Let us know what a standard wage is.  Thx.


Living Wage Calculator.

I live in Fairfax County VA, and according to this site, the minimum living wage is $13.22 an hour, which even though I know you probably know this, I'll explain anyway, is the minimum wage that a person in my county (on average) needs to earn in order to be able to afford food, shelter (heat) and transportation.

Your counter to this will be "well people aren't supposed to live off of minimum wage jobs".  And that's fine as long as you accept that the price for this is your tax dollars making up the $6 shortfall in wages.
 
2014-03-25 01:37:53 PM  

SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.


Because what this country needs is millions of starving, desperate people with unchecked access to guns.
 
2014-03-25 01:38:49 PM  

LazyMedia: svanmeter: Born_Again_Bavarian: jst3p: Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.

Tax free, right?

Sub $20k wage earners aren't pay much if anything in federal taxes.  They do pay payroll taxes, of course.  All of their allowances (BAH, BAS, etc) are tax free.  The healthcare expense isn't even seen by the military member.  If you enlisted from a state where they pay state income taxes, change your home residence state..  You can pick any state you want.

It is shameful how little my son in the Army is paid. It is even more shameful that the government just CUT the military's pay even further. ¡Que vergüenza señor Obama!

What the crap are you talking about? We just got a 1.8 percent pay raise. Your son is lying to you so he doesn't have to send as much money home, the little puta.


Yeah, read the news:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/24/pentagon-budget- s equestration-army-size/5775291/

(And learn correct Spanish)
 
2014-03-25 01:38:55 PM  

svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

http://youtu.be/xLTTX35LNJo

No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver.


rrriiigghht, people on welfare are making decisions based on sound financial sense.

¿dónde está el baño?
 
2014-03-25 01:39:24 PM  

svanmeter: Born_Again_Bavarian: jst3p: Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.

Tax free, right?

Sub $20k wage earners aren't pay much if anything in federal taxes.  They do pay payroll taxes, of course.  All of their allowances (BAH, BAS, etc) are tax free.  The healthcare expense isn't even seen by the military member.  If you enlisted from a state where they pay state income taxes, change your home residence state..  You can pick any state you want.

It is shameful how little my son in the Army is paid. It is even more shameful that the government just CUT the military's pay even further. ¡Que vergüenza señor Obama!


Oh stop it.  Cutting retirement COLA by 1% is reasonable given home much military pay has grown since 2000.  It is also something that was wanted by the Pentagon.
 
2014-03-25 01:39:29 PM  

svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment


You don't get unemployment when you quit you ignorant chud. When you have to lie to make your point it says a lot about your point.
 
2014-03-25 01:40:24 PM  

Isitoveryet: svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers because it makes more financial sense for them to get obamacare and unemployment. As the song goes, "it's free. Swipe your EBT".

http://youtu.be/xLTTX35LNJo

No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver.

rrriiigghht, people on welfare are making decisions based on sound financial sense.

¿dónde está el baño?


Here it is

i612.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-25 01:40:37 PM  

svanmeter: Those people you claim have jobs are quiting in high numbers


those people are quitting in high number

unemployment figures have been dropping

no se puede explicar eso!
 
2014-03-25 01:41:27 PM  

GnomePaladin: Headso: archichris: But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]

That looks like a great lifestyle, but how am I supposed to learn about it??


oh it is your lucky day my friend, for just 17 easy installments of 99.95 you can have all the secrets to double your wealth on 6 vhs tapes.
 
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