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(Chicago Trib)   Has Wal-Mart become a welfare queen after revealing it is dependent on food stamps?   (chicagotribune.com ) divider line
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2014-03-25 12:40:05 PM  

LazyMedia: Wal-Mart's pay scale isn't really the problem. The real problem is the explosion of "temporary" and part-time jobs, which are identical to full-time jobs except managers carefully monitor the number of hours you work to keep it low enough that they're not required to pay benefits. Most Wal-Mart workers could live on their paychecks if they could get 40 hours per week.

Temp work should be restricted to actual temporary employment. Companies should be prevented from filling three full-time jobs with five people just to dodge paying bennies. This would be an easy fix if Republicans didn't control the House.


Good idea, those high school students should just suck it. And those college students should do their part by taking out more loans instead of working to help pay for their education.

The issue is that people are trying to live off of no-skill jobs. Why is that?

/casts out lure
Unions have forced manufacturing off shore
Productivity is too high
Too many people
 
2014-03-25 12:40:06 PM  

someonelse: jst3p: someonelse: Dwindle: You wouldn't believe how many people who are too disabled to work can still go out to the clubs at night.

You worked for a property management company and you were aware of people's nighttime habits in the properties you managed? You lived on site and followed people when they went out? Did you go into the club to make sure they were dancing vigorously and/or carrying heavy objects rather than just sitting there? I'm not sure what you describe is legal. It borders on an invasion of privacy, wouldn't you say?

He doesn't need facts, he knows what  feels truthy to him. That's good enough.

He reminds me of a kid in my class, in my small town high school. I'll call him Billy, because that was his name. In junior high he went to Chicago for one weekend. The rest of the year, and long after that, he would act like he had the inside scoop on inner city life and how to avoid being mugged by n-words. Or my racist grandmother (as opposed to the other one who strictly hated the Japanese) who knew exactly one person who had rented an apartment to exactly one poor family for exactly one year, and thought she knew everything about the terrible, slovenly poors.


I have a guy in my office who is similar. Our HQ is in San Jose and after a trip out there he bolstered his usual rhetoric with a new anecdote: The welfare queen that pulled to 7-11 up in an Escalade in one of the worst parts of San Jose same time he did and he saw her pay for junk food with a SNAP card. It was pretty funny when I called him on his bullshiat as he told the story one time.

"Chris, I grew up in the bay area. No way your lily white ass stopped ANYWHERE in the 'worst' parts of San Jose."
 
2014-03-25 12:41:23 PM  

jst3p: Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.

Tax free, right?


Negative. Taxes are withheld on every military paycheck. I was kind of shocked when I saw that on my first paycheck as a trainee. I was wondering why in the hell I was paying my own paycheck.
 
2014-03-25 12:41:37 PM  
A study showed that in Wisconsin where I live, each Super WalMart(assuming 300 employees) will cost the taxpayer between $900,000 and $1.73 million per year in welfare and social programs to support their low wages.
 
2014-03-25 12:41:53 PM  

Hobodeluxe: MemeSlave: Hobodeluxe: that should be an embarrassment to every American. That our largest corporations and our richest family is on welfare.

Abolish Earned Income Credit, it's just a taxpayer subsidy of minimum wage.

you really don't know how this works do you?


I know exactly how it works - people who (arguably) don't make enough to live on are given $ by the taxpayer.   The issue is that it artificially lowers wage demand which allows employers to pay less.  Elimination of the subsidy would place the burden back on the employer.
 
2014-03-25 12:42:23 PM  

Pincy: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: firefly212: MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.

I'm not saying everyone should finish at the same point and we should all by communists... I'm saying starting the race should mean that nobody starves to death in the richest country in the world. I'm also saying that if you work 40 hours a week, you should be making enough to provide basic food, healthcare, and shelter to your family... nobody's saying finish the race at the same point, except for you.

The only people who starve to death in the US are children of welfare recipients who use their hand-outs to buy dope rather than food.  Link me to an article where someone who can walk and talk has starved to death here in the past 50 years.  Also, as has been pointed out up-thread, WalMart is like McD', BK, KFC, etc.  It's a starting point for kids, or a way for older people to pick up some walking around money.  I doubt very many people take a job there expecting to make a career out of it.  Don't like their policies, don't take a job there and don't shop there.  Never see so much whiny butt-hurt in any threads (politics tab excepted) than in the weekly "WalMart sucks threads.  For fark's sake, it's nobody's fault but your own that you can't get a better job.  Maybe instead of wasting all that money on a worthless BA in quilting you should have gone to trade school?   But no.  Let's all blame somebody else for our own shortcomings and demand people make $40K/year + Bennies for knowing how to stock shelves, and in which aisle I can find toilet paper.

Do they make bootstraps big enough for ...


Typical.  Have nothing intelligent to say, go to the ad-hom.
 
2014-03-25 12:42:55 PM  

IRQ12: I loathe walmart and what they represent but that shiathole is not a good example.  The prices are probably +50-100% of walmart and the employees are stereotypical union.  There's a reason they only survive in places where a walmart wont fit.


I used to shop at Safeway in DC all the time. Prices are almost exactly comparable to Wal-Mart. Grocery stores operate on only about a 1 percent margin; they CAN'T mark up prices for the same thing and stay in business. Where I live, I can get groceries at Kroger, Publix or Wal-Mart. The prices are the same, but Kroger and Publix pay better (I assume; Wal-Mart may be forced to pay more because this is an urban area where employees can go elsewhere).

Unionized grocery workers don't get paid that much more than non-union, they're just protected from the sort of worker abuse that Wal-Mart is so infamous for (forced, unpaid overtime, understaffing, trimming hours to keep people part time).
 
2014-03-25 12:42:58 PM  

someonelse: Yellow Beard: TheWhoppah: The issue is MUCH bigger than food stamps. Wal-Mart's labor practices also depend on welfare.  Wal-Mart pioneered the use of in-house social workers to enroll their own employees into government programs like food stamps and rental assistance for the purpose of using the social safety net to pay a portion of the employee's living expenses.  The result is that they have a stable mature workforce for the price of teenagers. Sure, their employees are low-motivation types but do you really think ambitious people will work as store drones for any extended period anyway?  Walmart stuff's employee paychecks with a flyer that has an 800 number for a 24-hour service called Resources for Living. They have a nationwide list of all charities that use enrollment in food stamps as an automatic qualifier to receive services and they can also hook you up with a list of every food bank, including religious ones, within a 50 mile radius of any walmart store.  The worst is when they hire indigent low skill (no skill) types from the state programs that pay half the wages for the first six months of employment... these individuals are typically fired for (imaginary) cause at the beginning of the seventh month.

This is utter and complete bullshiat. Not only does my son work at wally World but so do my niece, her fiance, and my nephew. Not one has ever seen the "flyer" you are on about or heard of "in house" social workers.

Did you just now talk to your son, your niece, her fiance, and your nephew to ask them? Or have you looked at the paychecks of your son, your niece, her fiance, and your nephew?


I see my son's paycheck every 2 weeks as I deposit it for him. Honestly, I've only asked my niece and her fiance about the whole food stamp counseling thing and have not asked to see their paychecks.
 
2014-03-25 12:43:43 PM  

dascott: If the "welfare state" is a Democrat agenda, then why do Republicans fight minimum wage hikes Tooth and Nail?


Because having a job isn't welfare, I presume.  I don't know.  I support a localized living wage over a federal and state minimum wages, because the cost of living in San Francisco is much different than the cost of living in Barstow.
 
2014-03-25 12:44:04 PM  

jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.



Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.
 
2014-03-25 12:44:12 PM  
The basic problem is wal mart thinks that since $8/hr was good money back when they set thier pay rate there when min wage was like $4.35 /hr its still good money now that min wage is $7.25/hr, and it just isnt.
 
2014-03-25 12:44:25 PM  

Carn: If you're in favor of large corporations paying sub-standard wages



Let us know what a standard wage is.  Thx.
 
2014-03-25 12:44:33 PM  

IRQ12: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Ummm, no.

I loathe walmart and what they represent but that shiathole is not a good example.  The prices are probably +50-100% of walmart and the employees are stereotypical union.  There's a reason they only survive in places where a walmart wont fit.


 There are a ton of Safeways around here and more than a couple Super Walmarts. I am a pretty thrifty shopper and Safeway's prices aren't all that much more than WalMarts in my experience. I haven't grocery shopped at Walmart in years but when I first moved out with the kids I did a LOT of comparison.

Not saying you are wrong, like you said maybe it is regional.

Then again I picked Safeway because I believe they are more well known. I do shop there sometimes (depending on what other errands I am doing when I shop) but mostly it is these guys (who are also union):

douglasselementarypto.org
 
2014-03-25 12:44:54 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: where proof of employability, and education, language ability, etc.  are required to immigrate.


We already have that. It's very hard to immigrate legally into the United States. Virtually impossible if you're a low-skill worker, which is why so many Latinos come in illegally -- there IS no legal avenue for most of them.
 
2014-03-25 12:45:07 PM  

Yellow Beard: I see my son's paycheck every 2 weeks as I deposit it for him. Honestly, I've only asked my niece and her fiance about the whole food stamp counseling thing and have not asked to see their paychecks.


Your son has a nice gig going for him, having a personal secretary and all
 
2014-03-25 12:45:51 PM  

what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.


Enough of this.  Those in the lower military pay grades aren't poor because they aren't paid enough.  They are poor because they suck at managing their money.

An 18 year old E-1 with more than 4 months in makes over $18,000 per year.  That might not be a lot in the civilian world, but when your job training, medical insurance, housing, utilities, food and work clothes don't have to be paid out of that money it suddenly because a signifigant amount.  Of course few people remain an E-1 for long.  In 3 years you will most likely be an E-4 pulling in almost $27k per year.

There was a time when people in the military weren't paid very well.  That time is long gone.  Mid career enlisted make about $40k.  Mid career officers make $80k.
 
2014-03-25 12:45:58 PM  
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2014-03-25 12:46:49 PM  
"I got laid off and can't find another job in my field."

"Slacker! You should just get a job, any job! Its better than living off the UE teat, you parasite."

"Err ok. Walmart's the only other local place hiring that doesn't require years of further education. But they don't pay so good and I have a family to feed."

"Idiot! Jobs like Walmart weren't meant to support you. Go get a different job and get off the foodstamp teat, you parasite."

"Err ok. But now after going back to college and getting a new degree, I'm buried in debt and can't possibly hope to climb out of this financial hole."

"You should have gotten a degree in Job Creationism then, parasite!"
 
2014-03-25 12:47:21 PM  

ShadowKamui: No its just means you're too stupid to realize that Walmart sells groceries


I'm having difficulty understanding how this is the big "Oh SNAP!" moment you clearly thought it was. Can you enlighten me?
 
2014-03-25 12:47:38 PM  

MemeSlave: Hobodeluxe: MemeSlave: Hobodeluxe: that should be an embarrassment to every American. That our largest corporations and our richest family is on welfare.

Abolish Earned Income Credit, it's just a taxpayer subsidy of minimum wage.

you really don't know how this works do you?

I know exactly how it works - people who (arguably) don't make enough to live on are given $ by the taxpayer.   The issue is that it artificially lowers wage demand which allows employers to pay less.  Elimination of the subsidy would place the burden back on the employer already overburdened worker since there would be NO incentive for the employer to raise wages.



You think that Walmart bases their payscale on what their employees can afford?

"Uh oh, the cost of living increased. We need to give everyone a raise to match it so that they can maintain their standard of living".


/doesn't happen
 
2014-03-25 12:47:59 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.


Math, how does it work? I never said they were "as cheap". I clearly said they are about 10% more expensive, although that is a guesstimate. Here is a comparison done by local news here:

localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com

http://kdvr.com/2013/05/02/grocery-store-price-challenge/
 
2014-03-25 12:48:30 PM  

pdee: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Do we love the Armed Services just as well?


Food Stamps: Military Families Redeem $100 Million A Year In SNAP Benefits



Again, I'd love to see how many of them REALLY running into situations where the food allowances are falling short for those families. I just know from talking to my brother that the people in the military are good a working the system with their allowances, so I have to wonder if some people have figured out that their base pay will qualify them for food stamps so they are using those to buy food with FIRST and then using their food allowance money. The food alliance isn't limited on what you can spend it on, so they could very well be using the SNAP program to put some extra money in their pockets.

Granted, most low-level enlisted aren't paid nearly what they should to be risking their lives like they are, but based on my conversations with my brother, they cover food allowances well enough that no one should have starving kids if they are budgeting reasonably well with their food purchases. I just wonder if anyone has ever looked into it to see if some less honest members of the military are working the system to their advantage because their pay is artificially low because of food and board being covered separately.
 
2014-03-25 12:50:01 PM  

buckler: svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.

As is mentioned in every single welfare thread, people on food stamps usually get the cheapest food they can find, which generally means heavily processed foods instead of fresh produce and meats. These are also the foods with the least nutritional value and the most likelihood of causing obesity and other health problems.


Amazing how you too missed the point. Let me spell it out for you. First you want us to pay for freeloaders, then you want us to care if they get fat and lazy. Welfare was meant as a safety net, not a hammock.¡Carajo que hay brutos en esta página!
 
2014-03-25 12:52:52 PM  

dascott: meat0918: jst3p: meat0918: jst3p: Dwindle: More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

And less than 20% over 5 years.


Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years,

Oh, you are full of shiat. I see.

What I really love is how his anecdotes are gospel truth(while the stats show them to be false), while my anecdotes are suspect to the most extreme levels of suspicion.

Confirmation bias, he has it.

/That and I think he is flat out lying

We all have it a bit.

I'll take that SNAP has a fantastic track record of addressing fraud and abuse (only 3.8% in 2011), while the opposition moves the goal posts.

Other highlights from the report I linked.

"The recent growth in SNAP spending is temporary. "

"SNAP payment accuracy is at all-time highs. "

"SNAP Is Not Contributing to the Nation's Long-term Fiscal Problems"

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."

I'll repeat that last one for the "People are selling their food for crack" crowd.

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."

And 100% of the people that he made up fall into that 1%.


31.media.tumblr.com

/the first?
//really??
 
2014-03-25 12:53:04 PM  

EWreckedSean: Wal-Mart doesn't have an obligation to keep it's workforce fed and clothed. They make no such agreement when you hire on to take a job with them. They agree to pay you a fair wage for bottom rung unskilled labor. The issue is people making careers out of jobs that aren't met to be careers.


The more I hear that argument the less I like it.  It used to be that there would be an employee or two at a retail location and they were the same as any other full time employee.  It wasn't all that long ago either.  In the 60s or 70s is when retail started being kid stuff rather than a place to start a career.  And fast food and chain restaurants took a giant swipe at food and bev.

These places used to have life-long employees as well as the weekend workers and people who were starting there.  Abraham Lincoln worked through law school as a grocer.  I believe working as a grocer actually PAID for his law school AND fed and clothed him, not that he survived just barely while he collected a lottery benefit or a scholarship.  Our entire economic structure is all farked because of killing manufacturing without picking back up the service industry.

Hotels, retail, restaurants, bars, and other "low end" jobs need to pay more because there aren't any more manual labor jobs to support everything else.  Working full time at Walmart (or any other retailer) needs to be about like working unskilled construction.  Enough for someone to get an apartment with a roommate and have a little spending money.  It's just what the current job market needs to be out of necessity for the economy.
 
2014-03-25 12:54:11 PM  

jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.

Math, how does it work? I never said they were "as cheap". I clearly said they are about 10% more expensive, although that is a guesstimate. Here is a comparison done by local news here:

[localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com image 396x307]

http://kdvr.com/2013/05/02/grocery-store-price-challenge/


Forgot to add:

The crux of my point wasn't "I can get groceries just as cheap somewhere else", it was "I will gladly pay a little more for groceries if I am paying a union shop who pays their employees more than Walmart."

But I understand some families aren't as fortunate as I am and making the same choice would force them into some tough decisions.
 
2014-03-25 12:54:15 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Enough of this.  Those in the lower military pay grades aren't poor because they aren't paid enough.  They are poor because they suck at managing their money.

An 18 year old E-1 with more than 4 months in makes over $18,000 per year.  That might not be a lot in the civilian world, but when your job training, medical insurance, housing, utilities, food and work clothes don't have to be paid out of that money it suddenly because a signifigant amount.  Of course few people remain an E-1 for long.  In 3 years you will most likely be an E-4 pulling in almost $27k per year.

There was a time when people in the military weren't paid very well.  That time is long gone.  Mid career enlisted make about $40k.  Mid career officers make $80k.



$27,000/yr hasn't been good money in the DC area since the early 2000's, and even then you couldn't buy a house and support a family of four comfortably. What happens to those military families who get shipped from shiat Hill, Oklahoma to Andrews AFB in Maryland? Does their pay increase?
 
2014-03-25 12:54:21 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Safeway is as cheap as Walmart? Bullshiat.

I'm not a Walmart/big corporation guy but you're not going to tell me that millions of consumers have it wrong and you have it right. People shop at Walmart because its cheaper. Now, we can debate the reasons why its cheaper, but the fact that it is cheaper is not disputable, even with your 90% qualifier.


The staples are similar in price, but I go to WinCo in Oregon because the food (and beer) IS cheaper than Walmart.

I've gotten strange looks from some of our new social peers about grocery habits on the rare occasion they come up. They can't understand why my wife and I are still shopping at WinCo instead of Market of Choice (think Whole Foods) or at least Safeway or Albertson's or Fred Meyers, since we can afford it now.  Politeness dictates we doesn't answer rudely of course, but I really want to say something crude, along the lines of "Because I'm a farking cheapskate and don't want to pay more than I have to just to gain some stupid farking social status over food."

Don't even bring up Walmart among this group.  You might as well have shot a puppy.
 
2014-03-25 12:54:35 PM  

what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.


The US Armed Forces doesn't accept food stamps.  This isn't about employees on assistance programs, it's about a giant corporate grocer that has acknowledged that SNAP benefit decreases is an external influence. It's not that their employees will have less to rely on, it's all the non-employees that get their groceries at Walmart; when they have less to spend, they'll spend less at Walmart, thus reducing their sales figures.

Every grocer is going to be affected by SNAP reductions, Walmart's just huge and also a retailer, so they're focused more.  Other retailers look better, and all other grocers are screwed without spinning this to be the grasping at straws against Walmart that it is.

That's not to say that Walmart isn't a black hole of poverty.  They drove so many people out of business, became the only option for smaller towns, sell cheap crap to people who then can't afford to save up for better quality product because they're always paying to replace the cheap crap.  

 Of course, remember folks, we should be looking at how we can change our society to not have any need for assistance programs, not just looking to change how we can eliminate the existence or degree of these programs.
 
2014-03-25 12:54:44 PM  

jayphat: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

My other love is that the mention of "walmart is often the largest private employer with the most employees on government assistance" in these articles. What's usually left out, state employees are number 1 in many cases. But, state employees make too much, right?


It is also irrelevant.  It doesn't matter because they have the most employees.  Would it make everyone feel better if they were 20 companies, instead of 1,  and everyone was still on food stamps.

They employ people who have little to no skills.   If you have no skills, and no education/knowledge, you just aren't going to be able to make that much.

Yes, it means you might not be able to buy your own house right after dropping out of 8th grade.

You might have to live in an efficiency, or sublet or have a roommate(or 3).

Guess what, if you are dumb enough, you might have to work two jobs, too.

Think about it before dropping out of school.
 
2014-03-25 12:55:23 PM  

Dwindle: More to the point, I grew up in a piss poor town in the middle of the woods, and all of my friends lived off food stamps and welfare. Their fathers grew pot or sold drugs, their mothers gave handjobs at the truck stop for $5. They both worked cash jobs so they wouldn't lose the benefits, mostly construction and waiting tables.


All of them! Every single one!

Ah, conservatives. You're such comically bad liars. Thanks for my morning chuckle.

Look, just because yo' momma gave you handjobs for five dollars, doesn't mean everyone else's mothers let them go for such a low price.
 
2014-03-25 12:55:37 PM  
So people on both sides are happy then?
 
2014-03-25 12:56:28 PM  
It's only the inner city walmarts that have that problem.  they don't have a culture of work.  the rural walmarts are all PhDs and put themselves through technical college while buying products at hobby lobby.
 
2014-03-25 12:56:33 PM  

Yellow Beard: meat0918: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.

The employee discount at wally world is 10% on everything except clearance items and groceries.


Down from the 15% from when I was working there, huh?
 
2014-03-25 12:56:41 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: $27,000/yr hasn't been good money in the DC area since the early 2000's, and even then you couldn't buy a house and support a family of four comfortably. What happens to those military families who get shipped from shiat Hill, Oklahoma to Andrews AFB in Maryland? Does their pay increase?


You'll either be provided housing or an allowance for housing based on average rents in the area of your duty station. So effectively, yes, their pay increases.
 
2014-03-25 12:57:26 PM  

jst3p: The Holy Mackerel: Stop attacking Wal-Mart. Without them, fat and vulgar moms would have no sanctuary to smack their feral offspring upside the head.

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/Palace not General.
 
2014-03-25 12:57:33 PM  

Baz744: Dwindle: More to the point, I grew up in a piss poor town in the middle of the woods, and all of my friends lived off food stamps and welfare. Their fathers grew pot or sold drugs, their mothers gave handjobs at the truck stop for $5. They both worked cash jobs so they wouldn't lose the benefits, mostly construction and waiting tables.

All of them! Every single one!

Ah, conservatives. You're such comically bad liars. Thanks for my morning chuckle.

Look, just because yo' momma gave you handjobs for five dollars, doesn't mean everyone else's mothers let them go for such a low price.


Didn't you know anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence?
 
2014-03-25 12:58:32 PM  

wyltoknow: "I got laid off and can't find another job in my field."

"Slacker! You should just get a job, any job! Its better than living off the UE teat, you parasite."

"Err ok. Walmart's the only other local place hiring that doesn't require years of further education. But they don't pay so good and I have a family to feed."

"Idiot! Jobs like Walmart weren't meant to support you. Go get a different job and get off the foodstamp teat, you parasite."

"Err ok. But now after going back to college and getting a new degree, I'm buried in debt and can't possibly hope to climb out of this financial hole."

"You should have gotten a degree in Job Creationism then, parasite!"


You give them too much credit.  They'd have just called you a freeloader looking for a handout after your very first argument.
 
2014-03-25 12:58:40 PM  

what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.


Free food, free housing, free electric, free heat, free A/C, free clothing, etc .... yeah sure I'm concerned.  Low E1-E3s get paid crap but they have everything paid for for them already.
 
2014-03-25 12:59:23 PM  
Well I guess it trickled down...
 
2014-03-25 12:59:30 PM  

svanmeter: buckler: svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.

As is mentioned in every single welfare thread, people on food stamps usually get the cheapest food they can find, which generally means heavily processed foods instead of fresh produce and meats. These are also the foods with the least nutritional value and the most likelihood of causing obesity and other health problems.

Amazing how you too missed the point. Let me spell it out for you. First you want us to pay for freeloaders, then you want us to care if they get fat and lazy. Welfare was meant as a safety net, not a hammock.¡Carajo que hay brutos en esta página!


I'm guessing compassion and sense aren't your strong suits. People should be prevented from starving, whether it's from lack of work. or because of a student status that doesn't allow them to earn a wage while they prepare for a new or better career, disability or medical issues, etc. There is not a single person on welfare I know who doesn't want to get off that treadmill and into a productive, well-paying job. Ensuring they eat only the shiattiest food leads to diabetes, obesity and worse, which makes it that much harder to find work.

Hang up the "welfare queen" schtick. It's gotten old.
 
2014-03-25 12:59:34 PM  

svanmeter: buckler: svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.

As is mentioned in every single welfare thread, people on food stamps usually get the cheapest food they can find, which generally means heavily processed foods instead of fresh produce and meats. These are also the foods with the least nutritional value and the most likelihood of causing obesity and other health problems.

Amazing how you too missed the point. Let me spell it out for you. First you want us to pay for freeloaders, then you want us to care if they get fat and lazy. Welfare was meant as a safety net, not a hammock.¡Carajo que hay brutos en esta página!


Food stamps aren't welfare. Food stamps are meant as a safety net against hunger for people, many of whom WORK FULL TIME, who don't make enough money to feed their kids properly. The solution to underfed kids whose parents pick lettuce and dig ditches is not to STOP FEEDING THE KIDS, and biatch at the parents to go get a better job. Somebody's got to pick the farking lettuce, and hungry kids don't grow up to pay as much of the Social Security taxes that will support your lazy ass once you're retired.
 
2014-03-25 12:59:49 PM  

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Didn't you know anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence?


Well, that's what my friend told me, anyway.
 
2014-03-25 01:00:35 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that this has allowed Wal-Mart to externalize one of its largest costs, which has allowed it to compete at an unnatural level in the marketplace, allowing it to become as large as it is today by swallowing up entire communities worth of other establishments?
 
2014-03-25 01:01:43 PM  
Many ways to solve this problem. Why not go with the easiest one. Tally up every cent of SNAP used by wal mart employees. And then send wal mart the bill.
 
2014-03-25 01:02:05 PM  

bhcompy: Yellow Beard: I see my son's paycheck every 2 weeks as I deposit it for him. Honestly, I've only asked my niece and her fiance about the whole food stamp counseling thing and have not asked to see their paychecks.

Your son has a nice gig going for him, having a personal secretary and all


That's what I keep telling him.
 
2014-03-25 01:02:57 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: jayphat: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

My other love is that the mention of "walmart is often the largest private employer with the most employees on government assistance" in these articles. What's usually left out, state employees are number 1 in many cases. But, state employees make too much, right?

It is also irrelevant.  It doesn't matter because they have the most employees.  Would it make everyone feel better if they were 20 companies, instead of 1,  and everyone was still on food stamps.

They employ people who have little to no skills.   If you have no skills, and no education/knowledge, you just aren't going to be able to make that much.

Yes, it means you might not be able to buy your own house right after dropping out of 8th grade.

You might have to live in an efficiency, or sublet or have a roommate(or 3).

Guess what, if you are dumb enough, you might have to work two jobs, too.

Think about it before dropping out of school.



About 48 percent of employed U.S. college graduates are in jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) suggests requires less than a four-year college education. Eleven percent of employed college graduates are in occupations requiring more than a high-school diploma but less than a bachelor's, and 37 percent are in occupations requiring no more than a high-school diploma;
 
2014-03-25 01:03:04 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: $27,000/yr hasn't been good money in the DC area since the early 2000's, and even then you couldn't buy a house and support a family of four comfortably.


What about $27,000 plus free job training, health insurance, utilities, housing, food, and work clothes? Next sentence, bud. Read it. Where he said:

That might not be a lot in the civilian world, but when your job training, medical insurance, housing, utilities, food and work clothes don't have to be paid out of that money it suddenly because a signifigant amount.

If you're in the military, basically all of your actual paycheck is or can be disposable income.
 
2014-03-25 01:03:18 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: What happens to those military families who get shipped from shiat Hill, Oklahoma to Andrews AFB in Maryland? Does their pay increase?


yes.
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2014-03-25 01:03:35 PM  

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You win this thread.
 
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