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2014-03-25 12:19:14 PM  
So much anecdotal evidence! Well since we're just going to throw out our own stories here goes: I work around wealthy people all day, every day.  Let me tell you, they are all assholes.  Every single last one of them.  I have proof of this, but I'd rather you all just took my word for it.
 
2014-03-25 12:19:23 PM  

archichris: The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.


Actually, the "real topic here" is that the largest corporation in America, which generated $469 billion in revenue in 2013, and whose board members include 4 of the top 10 wealthiest Americans, intentionally built government public-assistance for their employees into their business model.

The other topic of interest is that uninformed stoops such as yourself leap to defend them as Sacred Job Creators every time the topic comes up.
 
2014-03-25 12:19:52 PM  

dascott: Dwindle: LazyMedia: Fortunately, the vast majority of able-bodied people who get welfare or food stamps wind up eventually getting a job and moving off benefits. The "perpetual welfare" myth today applies only to old and disabled people.

You're hilarious. Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years, most their entire lives. I know people in their 50's who have never had a job.

The two year rule only applies to Federal welfare, the state has to pick it up after that.

The whole point of welfare is to keep people out of the workforce and dependent on government. The Democrats flood every city nationwide with poor people who will vote for them to keep the benefits flowing. That is why they control almost every city in the nation.

More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
That's not even including those on food stamps, disability, and unemployment.

Just when you thought you have found the most ignorant thing said on the internet, someone comes along and sets the bar even higher.


It isn't a unique thought. I listen to right wing radio (Sun Tzu, know your enemy) and that is one of their main thrusts against Democrats.

Social Safety nets aren't pushed but the left because the left wants to help people, it is because the left wants as much of the population dependent on government as possible. Once you are completely dependent on government then the left can control you.

Seriously, they say this regularly and they say it as if it as logical as 2+2=potato
 
2014-03-25 12:20:00 PM  
So if we increase the minimum wage then they shouldn't qualify for as much or any assistance. Do you think they're gonna be cool with that? No. They're gonna want the wage increase AND the food stamps.

/those people
 
2014-03-25 12:20:03 PM  

doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.


Do we love the Armed Services just as well?


Food Stamps: Military Families Redeem $100 Million A Year In SNAP Benefits
 
2014-03-25 12:21:03 PM  
Doesn't mean WalMart is awful (they are for other reasons).  But it does mean you shouldn't listen anytime WalMart or its bought and paid for legislators say shiat about minimum wage, unions, health care, the economy, or pretty much anything.

It also means we should take a hard look at which and how social services are being provided.  If you're working poor, that's still working, which is good.  What the country needs to provide is a social support network that will enable low-wage workers to still live, eat, have residence, health care, and the possibility of having kids that won't starve and die, as well as access to education.
 
2014-03-25 12:21:24 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: firefly212: MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.

I'm not saying everyone should finish at the same point and we should all by communists... I'm saying starting the race should mean that nobody starves to death in the richest country in the world. I'm also saying that if you work 40 hours a week, you should be making enough to provide basic food, healthcare, and shelter to your family... nobody's saying finish the race at the same point, except for you.

The only people who starve to death in the US are children of welfare recipients who use their hand-outs to buy dope rather than food.  Link me to an article where someone who can walk and talk has starved to death here in the past 50 years.  Also, as has been pointed out up-thread, WalMart is like McD', BK, KFC, etc.  It's a starting point for kids, or a way for older people to pick up some walking around money.  I doubt very many people take a job there expecting to make a career out of it.  Don't like their policies, don't take a job there and don't shop there.  Never see so much whiny butt-hurt in any threads (politics tab excepted) than in the weekly "WalMart sucks threads.  For fark's sake, it's nobody's fault but your own that you can't get a better job.  Maybe instead of wasting all that money on a worthless BA in quilting you should have gone to trade school?   But no.  Let's all blame somebody else for our own shortcomings and demand people make $40K/year + Bennies for knowing how to stock shelves, and in which aisle I can find toilet paper.


Do they make bootstraps big enough for you?
 
2014-03-25 12:21:44 PM  

Dwindle: You wouldn't believe how many people who are too disabled to work can still go out to the clubs at night.


You worked for a property management company and you were aware of people's nighttime habits in the properties you managed? You lived on site and followed people when they went out? Did you go into the club to make sure they were dancing vigorously and/or carrying heavy objects rather than just sitting there? I'm not sure what you describe is legal. It borders on an invasion of privacy, wouldn't you say?
 
2014-03-25 12:21:51 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: firefly212: MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.

I'm not saying everyone should finish at the same point and we should all by communists... I'm saying starting the race should mean that nobody starves to death in the richest country in the world. I'm also saying that if you work 40 hours a week, you should be making enough to provide basic food, healthcare, and shelter to your family... nobody's saying finish the race at the same point, except for you.

The only people who starve to death in the US are children of welfare recipients who use their hand-outs to buy dope rather than food.  Link me to an article where someone who can walk and talk has starved to death here in the past 50 years.  Also, as has been pointed out up-thread, WalMart is like McD', BK, KFC, etc.  It's a starting point for kids, or a way for older people to pick up some walking around money.  I doubt very many people take a job there expecting to make a career out of it.  Don't like their policies, don't take a job there and don't shop there.  Never see so much whiny butt-hurt in any threads (politics tab excepted) than in the weekly "WalMart sucks threads.  For fark's sake, it's nobody's fault but your own that you can't get a better job.  Maybe instead of wasting all that money on a worthless BA in quilting you should have gone to trade school?   But no.  Let's all blame somebody else for our own shortcomings and demand people make $40K/year + Bennies for knowing how to stock shelves, and in which aisle I can find toilet paper.


Exactly how many jobs do you think are available with good pay, as a percentage of population?  Guess what, if every last American went out and got an engineering degree tomorrow, you'd have a shiatload of engineers delivering pizzas and running cash registers.
 
2014-03-25 12:21:54 PM  

someonelse: Dwindle: And yes, I know they don't literally get food stamps any more.

You didn't a few minutes ago when you wrote:  "Yeah, in other words, they get a big fat stack of food stamps every month,"

I wonder what percentage of what you've posted was pulled straight from your ass. I'm thinking about 85.


85 seems low, I think he takes 100% straight out of his ass
 
2014-03-25 12:22:00 PM  

meat0918: jst3p: Dwindle: More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

And less than 20% over 5 years.


Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years,

Oh, you are full of shiat. I see.

What I really love is how his anecdotes are gospel truth(while the stats show them to be false), while my anecdotes are suspect to the most extreme levels of suspicion.


Confirmation bias, he has it.

/That and I think he is flat out lying
 
2014-03-25 12:22:43 PM  
That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.
 
2014-03-25 12:23:16 PM  

someonelse: Dwindle: You wouldn't believe how many people who are too disabled to work can still go out to the clubs at night.

You worked for a property management company and you were aware of people's nighttime habits in the properties you managed? You lived on site and followed people when they went out? Did you go into the club to make sure they were dancing vigorously and/or carrying heavy objects rather than just sitting there? I'm not sure what you describe is legal. It borders on an invasion of privacy, wouldn't you say?


He doesn't need facts, he knows what  feels truthy to him. That's good enough.
 
2014-03-25 12:23:29 PM  
So, according to the narrative, you have a healthy local town with it's own locally owned grocers, and then WalMart moves in, and the other stores go out of business, and WalMart becomes the largest employer and then lowers wages so employees can only afford to shop there.

So... why did those people choose to shop at WalMart in the first place and neglect their thriving local businesses? Isn't it sort of their fault for taking short term savings and ruining their local economy?
 
2014-03-25 12:25:10 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: archichris: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Walmarts wages are above minimum. Typically 50 people show up to apply for every position.

The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.

Is this satire?


You have to ask if this is satire? Why, logic like you see just above is always 5/10 or 6/10. By the way archichris, you could have thrown in "4 out of 5 dentist recommend sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum" just to ensure troll was obvious.
 
2014-03-25 12:25:21 PM  

Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years, most their entire lives.


Approximately how many people have you known for 20 years, and have known well enough to know they are on welfare that whole time? Ballpark estimate. And why were you privy to that information, exactly?
 
2014-03-25 12:25:27 PM  

GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.


These guys are union:

www.washingtonpost.com


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.
 
2014-03-25 12:26:46 PM  
meat0918:  Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.

That's why they go to bodegas, which will accept food stamps for all purchases. There is no enforcement, and no paper trail. I have seen it done a hundred times. How do you think people in the hood afford $15 a day in cigarettes?

Why do you think Bodegas never have a POS system? Because if they had one,. it would record what was food and what was booze.

Of course, that doesn't even include the people smply selling them on line (about $750 million a year):
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/03/food-stamp-fraud-beneficia ri es-illegally-sell-ebt-cards-on-craigslist-social-media-sites/

Or the people who simply stand outside the supermarket and sell them as low as 50% on the dollar. They will even push the shopping cart and load them into your car for you, hoping to get a tip on top of the cash.
 
2014-03-25 12:28:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, according to the narrative, you have a healthy local town with it's own locally owned grocers, and then WalMart moves in, and the other stores go out of business, and WalMart becomes the largest employer and then lowers wages so employees can only afford to shop there.

So... why did those people choose to shop at WalMart in the first place and neglect their thriving local businesses? Isn't it sort of their fault for taking short term savings and ruining their local economy?


For the same reason that big box stores, I won't just demonize WalMart here, have used gasoline at their pumps as a loss leader and driven independent gas stations out of business in some small towns.  The competitor can't sell at cost and make it up with sales in the store.
 
2014-03-25 12:28:42 PM  

Dwindle: meat0918:  Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.

That's why they go to bodegas, which will accept food stamps for all purchases. There is no enforcement, and no paper trail. I have seen it done a hundred times. How do you think people in the hood afford $15 a day in cigarettes?

Why do you think Bodegas never have a POS system? Because if they had one,. it would record what was food and what was booze.

Of course, that doesn't even include the people smply selling them on line (about $750 million a year):
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/03/food-stamp-fraud-beneficia ri es-illegally-sell-ebt-cards-on-craigslist-social-media-sites/

Or the people who simply stand outside the supermarket and sell them as low as 50% on the dollar. They will even push the shopping cart and load them into your car for you, hoping to get a tip on top of the cash.


You paint a frighting picture of welfare fraud. On the other hand you have lied repeatedly in this thread and have zero credibility.
 
2014-03-25 12:30:04 PM  
Stop attacking Wal-Mart. Without them, fat and vulgar moms would have no sanctuary to smack their feral offspring upside the head.
 
2014-03-25 12:30:57 PM  

Fissile: Nah, you don't get at all, do you?  Cut food stamps benefits per family and Walmart's earnings go down causing Walmart to reduce the number of employees who will then qualify for food stamps, and the newly impoverished will  shop at Walmart.

Same amount of sales + fewer workers = Profit!


Except that Wal-Mart's employees are already among the ones receiving food stamps and shopping at Wal-Mart in the first place.
 
2014-03-25 12:31:07 PM  

The Holy Mackerel: Stop attacking Wal-Mart. Without them, fat and vulgar moms would have no sanctuary to smack their feral offspring upside the head.


i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-03-25 12:31:18 PM  

jst3p: meat0918: jst3p: Dwindle: More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

And less than 20% over 5 years.


Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years,

Oh, you are full of shiat. I see.

What I really love is how his anecdotes are gospel truth(while the stats show them to be false), while my anecdotes are suspect to the most extreme levels of suspicion.

Confirmation bias, he has it.

/That and I think he is flat out lying


We all have it a bit.

I'll take that SNAP has a fantastic track record of addressing fraud and abuse (only 3.8% in 2011), while the opposition moves the goal posts.

Other highlights from the report I linked.

"The recent growth in SNAP spending is temporary. "

"SNAP payment accuracy is at all-time highs. "

"SNAP Is Not Contributing to the Nation's Long-term Fiscal Problems"

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."


I'll repeat that last one for the "People are selling their food for crack" crowd.

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."
 
2014-03-25 12:31:25 PM  

Rwa2play: Y-you mean the Republicans cunning plan to starve the country is coming back to bite the ass of one of it's bigger benefactors?

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It's a two way street.  Walmart is taking advantage of the welfare state pushed by Democrats in order to pay their employees just enough to get said welfare.  What they seem to be acknowledging is that the reduction in public assistance will affect their bottom line, either by forcing them to increase wages or reducing people's ability to purchase their goods, which would require them to raise wages seeing as the people struggling to buy the food would be the same people working for them.  Basically, they're having a Henry Ford moment.  Maybe something positive will happen(unlikely, but regardless Walmart loses, which is a good thing).

And, on a joking side note, if you've ever been in a Walmart, you would probably agree that the people there could stand to starve a little bit.
 
2014-03-25 12:31:26 PM  

meat0918: LazyMedia: Dwindle: women always get bennies.

No, they don't. Welfare reform in the '90s means you get two years of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, life time, total. Use that up, and you're in the same boat as a single man.

Fortunately, the vast majority of able-bodied people who get welfare or food stamps wind up eventually getting a job and moving off benefits. The "perpetual welfare" myth today applies only to old and disabled people. There's a fair amount of fraud in the disability area, but it's not like you should tell the majority of disabled or old people to just be more boot-strappy, and cut their benefits.

I thought TANF was two continuous years at a time, up to a lifetime total of 5 years?


Yeah, you're right. My mistake. It's still not something that multiple generations can perpetually live on, the way wingers think "welfare" works.
 
2014-03-25 12:31:35 PM  
Nonsense.  Wal-Mart is a Most Sacred and Holy Job Creator (peace be upon it).  If Wal-Mart requires the sacrifice of continuing food stamps, then it cannot, by its nature, be a welfare queen and food stamps cannot, by their nature, be welfare.  Instead what we clearly have is a typical example of government inefficiency, wherein food stamps, instead of going to the Most Sacred and Holy Job Creator (pbui) is first being "fenced" through the useless and terrible poors.

Sadly, a system does not fix in a day, and instead of cutting food stamps immediately we must instead find another temporary measure.  To make certain the Unclean Poors understand their nature and their need for betterment we must find new ways to punish and degrade them, perhaps making them stand in line for hours or write letters of apology to others.

Next farm bill (blessed be the farm bill) we should change the rules, giving a direct subsidy to Wal-Mart, a MSaHJC(pbui) based on the number of Unclean Poors in their economic zone, they will doubtless immediately hire more of these Unclean Poors and guide them to self-betterment, and lower their prices to feed them.
 
2014-03-25 12:31:36 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: No - IIRC base pay is taxed, and Base Allowance for Subsistence (BAS) and Base Allowance for Quarters (BAQ) are not taxed.

And I believe the base pay is not taxed when the servicemember is deployed outside CONUS but I don't recall all the details. (I was never deployed.)

meat0918: Hazardous Duty pay is generally limited to specific geographical areas. Not everyone is eligible.



Base pay is taxed on base inside of the US, but on deployment overseas it is to taxed. Hazardous duty pay is also based on the area of deployment, but they can be pretty liberal with the area just being vaguely dangerous. For example,  by brother got hazardous duty pay when he was deployed in Qatar, which was not an actual war zone, but merely war zone adjacent and actually a pretty nice place to spend your time overseas.
 
2014-03-25 12:31:41 PM  

EWreckedSean: Wal-Mart doesn't have an obligation to keep it's workforce fed and clothed. They make no such agreement when you hire on to take a job with them.


And the taxpayers of the United States shouldn't have an obligation to subsidize Wal-Mart's astonishingly cynical business model of paying substandard wages and directing their employees to local food banks and welfare offices to make up the difference.

But here we are.
 
2014-03-25 12:32:03 PM  

someonelse: Approximately how many people have you known for 20 years, and have known well enough to know they are on welfare that whole time? Ballpark estimate. And why were you privy to that information, exactly?


Because I worked for a property maintenance company for five years and processed all of their paperwork. New Bedford, Ma. is essentially a dumping ground for southern Mass poor people, and almost all were living on the dole (although several of them were legitimately disabled).

More to the point, I grew up in a piss poor town in the middle of the woods, and all of my friends lived off food stamps and welfare. Their fathers grew pot or sold drugs, their mothers gave handjobs at the truck stop for $5. They both worked cash jobs so they wouldn't lose the benefits, mostly construction and waiting tables.

Many of them grew up to be just like them.
 
2014-03-25 12:32:06 PM  

jst3p: someonelse: Dwindle: You wouldn't believe how many people who are too disabled to work can still go out to the clubs at night.

You worked for a property management company and you were aware of people's nighttime habits in the properties you managed? You lived on site and followed people when they went out? Did you go into the club to make sure they were dancing vigorously and/or carrying heavy objects rather than just sitting there? I'm not sure what you describe is legal. It borders on an invasion of privacy, wouldn't you say?

He doesn't need facts, he knows what  feels truthy to him. That's good enough.


He reminds me of a kid in my class, in my small town high school. I'll call him Billy, because that was his name. In junior high he went to Chicago for one weekend. The rest of the year, and long after that, he would act like he had the inside scoop on inner city life and how to avoid being mugged by n-words. Or my racist grandmother (as opposed to the other one who strictly hated the Japanese) who knew exactly one person who had rented an apartment to exactly one poor family for exactly one year, and thought she knew everything about the terrible, slovenly poors.
 
2014-03-25 12:32:35 PM  

jst3p: Dwindle: meat0918:  Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.

That's why they go to bodegas, which will accept food stamps for all purchases. There is no enforcement, and no paper trail. I have seen it done a hundred times. How do you think people in the hood afford $15 a day in cigarettes?

Why do you think Bodegas never have a POS system? Because if they had one,. it would record what was food and what was booze.

Of course, that doesn't even include the people smply selling them on line (about $750 million a year):
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/03/food-stamp-fraud-beneficia ri es-illegally-sell-ebt-cards-on-craigslist-social-media-sites/

Or the people who simply stand outside the supermarket and sell them as low as 50% on the dollar. They will even push the shopping cart and load them into your car for you, hoping to get a tip on top of the cash.

You paint a frighting picture of welfare fraud. On the other hand you have lied repeatedly in this thread and have zero credibility.


Listen for yourself: "it's free. Swipe yo EBT". The first lyrics in the song brag about how to circumvent the rules.

http://youtu.be/xLTTX35LNJo

Welfare was meant to be a safety net, not a hammock. Abre sus ojos señor ciego.
 
2014-03-25 12:32:53 PM  

Dwindle: meat0918:  Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.

That's why they go to bodegas, which will accept food stamps for all purchases. There is no enforcement, and no paper trail. I have seen it done a hundred times. How do you think people in the hood afford $15 a day in cigarettes?

Why do you think Bodegas never have a POS system? Because if they had one,. it would record what was food and what was booze.

Of course, that doesn't even include the people smply selling them on line (about $750 million a year):
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/03/food-stamp-fraud-beneficia ri es-illegally-sell-ebt-cards-on-craigslist-social-media-sites/

Or the people who simply stand outside the supermarket and sell them as low as 50% on the dollar. They will even push the shopping cart and load them into your car for you, hoping to get a tip on top of the cash.


I'll repeat it again for you

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."
 
2014-03-25 12:33:51 PM  
so now that we know food stamps are going to big multi-national corporations, we're good, right Republicans?
 
2014-03-25 12:33:52 PM  

jst3p: Dwindle: More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

And less than 20% over 5 years.


Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years,

Oh, you are full of shiat. I see.


Plus, that website is full of shiat. AFDC hasn't existed for the past 18 years; it was replaced by TANF, and by law you CAN'T be on TANF for more than five years (or more than two years continuously).
 
2014-03-25 12:34:01 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: firefly212: MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.

I'm not saying everyone should finish at the same point and we should all by communists... I'm saying starting the race should mean that nobody starves to death in the richest country in the world. I'm also saying that if you work 40 hours a week, you should be making enough to provide basic food, healthcare, and shelter to your family... nobody's saying finish the race at the same point, except for you.

The only people who starve to death in the US are children of welfare recipients who use their hand-outs to buy dope rather than food.  Link me to an article where someone who can walk and talk has starved to death here in the past 50 years.  Also, as has been pointed out up-thread, WalMart is like McD', BK, KFC, etc.  It's a starting point for kids, or a way for older people to pick up some walking around money.  I doubt very many people take a job there expecting to make a career out of it.  Don't like their policies, don't take a job there and don't shop there.  Never see so much whiny butt-hurt in any threads (politics tab excepted) than in the weekly "WalMart sucks threads.  For fark's sake, it's nobody's fault but your own that you can't get a better job.  Maybe instead of wasting all that money on a worthless BA in quilting you should have gone to trade school?   But no.  Let's all blame somebody else for our own shortcomings and demand people make $40K/year + Bennies for knowing how to stock shelves, and in which aisle I can find toilet paper.


Let me get this straight, people with a lack of education and job experience, are whining about the pay is low? color me shocked! I guess the whole idea of "life choices" is thrown out because we are suppose to have handouts given free. I guess that guy that has a ZERO Gpa in high school because he thought school was a joke, is now suppose to make $40,000 because he's whining about his job at micky d or walmart?

Sorry, but people made their choice to not finish school and pick up a trade, some decided to go to jail rather then be civilized. Why am I suppose to feel bad about it? I graduated early to join the armed service, only because I had no money for college. It wasn't my parents fault, they worked their whole lives and I simply didn't have a hand out. After I left the service I worked by day and went to college by night. Funny thing, I worked at Micky D's for over 2 years until I could find a decent job otherwise, around here I basically had no experience and only a high school diploma.

I still make barely above minimum wage, but at least I have a roof over my head and food, I might not have insurance either, however I can wake up knowing I have tried my best and I am grateful for what I have.
 
2014-03-25 12:34:45 PM  

meat0918: Dwindle: meat0918:  Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.

That's why they go to bodegas, which will accept food stamps for all purchases. There is no enforcement, and no paper trail. I have seen it done a hundred times. How do you think people in the hood afford $15 a day in cigarettes?

Why do you think Bodegas never have a POS system? Because if they had one,. it would record what was food and what was booze.

Of course, that doesn't even include the people smply selling them on line (about $750 million a year):
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/03/food-stamp-fraud-beneficia ri es-illegally-sell-ebt-cards-on-craigslist-social-media-sites/

Or the people who simply stand outside the supermarket and sell them as low as 50% on the dollar. They will even push the shopping cart and load them into your car for you, hoping to get a tip on top of the cash.

I'll repeat it again for you

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."


I see we said the same thing.
 
2014-03-25 12:34:50 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: archichris: The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Actually, the "real topic here" is that the largest corporation in America, which generated $469 billion in revenue in 2013, and whose board members include 4 of the top 10 wealthiest Americans, intentionally built government public-assistance for their employees into their business model.

The other topic of interest is that uninformed stoops such as yourself leap to defend them as Sacred Job Creators every time the topic comes up.


No its just means you're too stupid to realize that Walmart sells groceries
 
2014-03-25 12:35:10 PM  
TheWhoppah:


This image ring any bells?
[www.rfl.com image 219x70]
See also:  http://www.ehow.com/list_6513786_benefits-working-wal_mart.html


I've never seen it nor has my son or niece. Sorry but didn't get a chance to ask her fiance. The link you provided makes Wally World sound like a great place to work. It isn't.
 
2014-03-25 12:36:08 PM  

jst3p: GORDON: That's why I get my groceries at the local places with the unionized workforce.  I can only get 20% of the stuff for the same price, but something something union pride/fair wage.

These guys are union:

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x403]


I might only get 90% of what you could get for the same price at Walmart, but I am OK with that.


Ummm, no.

I loathe walmart and what they represent but that shiathole is not a good example.  The prices are probably +50-100% of walmart and the employees are stereotypical union.  There's a reason they only survive in places where a walmart wont fit.

It may be a regional thing though.

I always try to remind people that Hilary Clinton was on the board of walmart in the "Sam's dead let's turn his company into a vile off-shoring race to the bottom" years.
 
2014-03-25 12:37:16 PM  
I've been working straight for about 45 years. I should be allowed to be rewarded for all my service and taxes paid by at least $200 a month in food stamps and an O'Barner Phone for the rest of my life. I am entitled.
 
2014-03-25 12:37:46 PM  

CivicMindedFive: You want to raise the wages of the working poor and stick it to giant corporations like Walmart, halt all immigration for a while. Not just illegal, but legal immigration as well.

Let this sink in for a minute, 2008-2013, the number of net jobs created:  Aproox 1.2M.  For the same period, the number of legal immigrants:  Approx  2.5M.  That's not counting the millions who immigrated illegally.


Yeah.  Our immigration system needs a serious overhaul.  We don't need to halt all immigration, but we do need to implement a system like most other nations - where proof of employability, and education, language ability, etc.  are required to immigrate.  Even uber-liberal nations do this.  U.S. immigration shoots waaayyy past uber-liberal and into insane free-for-all.

I wish this one issue wasn't so partisan polarized, so that people could look at it with common sense instead of partisan blinders - just honestly admit our immigration system is badly broken.
 
2014-03-25 12:38:06 PM  

archichris: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Walmarts wages are above minimum. Typically 50 people show up to apply for every position.

The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.


Hey look kids, it's a WalMart Public Relations employee! Wave hi!
 
2014-03-25 12:38:11 PM  

meat0918: jst3p: meat0918: jst3p: Dwindle: More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

And less than 20% over 5 years.


Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years,

Oh, you are full of shiat. I see.

What I really love is how his anecdotes are gospel truth(while the stats show them to be false), while my anecdotes are suspect to the most extreme levels of suspicion.

Confirmation bias, he has it.

/That and I think he is flat out lying

We all have it a bit.

I'll take that SNAP has a fantastic track record of addressing fraud and abuse (only 3.8% in 2011), while the opposition moves the goal posts.

Other highlights from the report I linked.

"The recent growth in SNAP spending is temporary. "

"SNAP payment accuracy is at all-time highs. "

"SNAP Is Not Contributing to the Nation's Long-term Fiscal Problems"

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."

I'll repeat that last one for the "People are selling their food for crack" crowd.

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."


And 100% of the people that he made up fall into that 1%.
 
2014-03-25 12:38:37 PM  

meat0918: I'll repeat it again for you

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."


Listen bub, an anecdote is worth a thousand statistics, so technically, all SNAP benefits are trafficked 10 times. That's why SNAP fraud is bankrupting America, because enthusiastic cart-pushers might get a pack of smokes.

Or something like that, anyway.
 
2014-03-25 12:38:44 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: EWreckedSean: Wal-Mart doesn't have an obligation to keep it's workforce fed and clothed. They make no such agreement when you hire on to take a job with them.

And the taxpayers of the United States shouldn't have an obligation to subsidize Wal-Mart's astonishingly cynical business model of paying substandard wages and directing their employees to local food banks and welfare offices to make up the difference.

But here we are.


Cut welfare benefits and don't raise minimum wage.  That'll motivate the poors to stop being farking poor! lol amirite or amirite!?
 
2014-03-25 12:39:20 PM  

svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.


As is mentioned in every single welfare thread, people on food stamps usually get the cheapest food they can find, which generally means heavily processed foods instead of fresh produce and meats. These are also the foods with the least nutritional value and the most likelihood of causing obesity and other health problems.
 
2014-03-25 12:39:22 PM  

bhcompy: Rwa2play: Y-you mean the Republicans cunning plan to starve the country is coming back to bite the ass of one of it's bigger benefactors?

[www.reactiongifs.us image 360x240]

It's a two way street.  Walmart is taking advantage of the welfare state pushed by Democrats in order to pay their employees just enough to get said welfare.  What they seem to be acknowledging is that the reduction in public assistance will affect their bottom line, either by forcing them to increase wages or reducing people's ability to purchase their goods, which would require them to raise wages seeing as the people struggling to buy the food would be the same people working for them.  Basically, they're having a Henry Ford moment.  Maybe something positive will happen(unlikely, but regardless Walmart loses, which is a good thing).

And, on a joking side note, if you've ever been in a Walmart, you would probably agree that the people there could stand to starve a little bit.


If the "welfare state" is a Democrat agenda, then why do Republicans fight minimum wage hikes tooth and nail?
 
Ant
2014-03-25 12:39:42 PM  

LazyMedia: Temp work should be restricted to actual temporary employment. Companies should be prevented from filling three full-time jobs with five people just to dodge paying bennies. This would be an easy fix if Republicans didn't control the House.


Better yet, stop linking healthcare to employers at all! Take Obamacare where it should've gone in the first place: Single payer
 
2014-03-25 12:39:48 PM  

meat0918: meat0918: Dwindle: meat0918:  Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.

That's why they go to bodegas, which will accept food stamps for all purchases. There is no enforcement, and no paper trail. I have seen it done a hundred times. How do you think people in the hood afford $15 a day in cigarettes?

Why do you think Bodegas never have a POS system? Because if they had one,. it would record what was food and what was booze.

Of course, that doesn't even include the people smply selling them on line (about $750 million a year):
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/03/food-stamp-fraud-beneficia ri es-illegally-sell-ebt-cards-on-craigslist-social-media-sites/

Or the people who simply stand outside the supermarket and sell them as low as 50% on the dollar. They will even push the shopping cart and load them into your car for you, hoping to get a tip on top of the cash.

I'll repeat it again for you

"Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked."

I see we said the same thing.


For the record, I am not sorry .02% of the federal budget is taken advantage of by some people while the bulk of the SNAP program does what it is supposed to do
 
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