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(Chicago Trib)   Has Wal-Mart become a welfare queen after revealing it is dependent on food stamps?   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 512
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2014-03-25 11:48:46 AM

Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?


You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.
 
2014-03-25 11:50:37 AM

DecemberNitro: It's spelled Walmart, not Wal-Mart. It's right there in the f*cking picture.


It used to be Wal-Mart, so the confusion is understandable.

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2014-03-25 11:50:51 AM

meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.


$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.
 
2014-03-25 11:51:33 AM

Smeggy Smurf: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

Go back to commodities and force people to have to pick them up in person.  You damned well know that shiat will change in a hurry.  Between businesses no longer having the government tit to suck on and the torches and pitchfork crowd demanding things change something will happen.

My bet is a lot of people that are living high on the hog with welfare will turn to crime because they lack the work ethic to get a job like decent people.


Stop making sense. You'll get laughed right out of this thread.
 
2014-03-25 11:52:59 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: archichris: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Walmarts wages are above minimum. Typically 50 people show up to apply for every position.

The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.

Is this satire?


I don't think so. I think he wrote it while riding on the short bus on the way to school.
 
2014-03-25 11:53:26 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Hasn't that always been true?  Even if you take away the many SNAP customers, Wal-Mart's low wages are largely supported by the fact that their employees get extra help from the government to afford food.

Wal-Mart has been one of the nation's biggest welfare queen for a long, long time.


This. Not paying local taxes helps too.
 
2014-03-25 11:53:32 AM

Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare,  free food and free housing.  When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.


Tax free, right?
 
2014-03-25 11:54:13 AM

Dwindle: women always get bennies.


No, they don't. Welfare reform in the '90s means you get two years of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, life time, total. Use that up, and you're in the same boat as a single man.

Fortunately, the vast majority of able-bodied people who get welfare or food stamps wind up eventually getting a job and moving off benefits. The "perpetual welfare" myth today applies only to old and disabled people. There's a fair amount of fraud in the disability area, but it's not like you should tell the majority of disabled or old people to just be more boot-strappy, and cut their benefits.
 
2014-03-25 11:54:27 AM

mike_d85: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You mean solutions?

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2014-03-25 11:54:38 AM

what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.


Yeah, but most other companies don't have there food stamp employees turn around and spend all the food stamp money at their own business. It's pure profit for them, the food stamps are actually subsidizing the employee's pay on both ends.
 
2014-03-25 11:54:50 AM
Living high on the hog on welfare, that's a good one.

Those people might exist, and we have a word for them: Criminals.
 
2014-03-25 11:56:09 AM

MemeSlave: Hobodeluxe: that should be an embarrassment to every American. That our largest corporations and our richest family is on welfare.

Abolish Earned Income Credit, it's just a taxpayer subsidy of minimum wage.


you really don't know how this works do you?
 
2014-03-25 11:56:47 AM

Nemo's Brother: Why do the type of people that enlist in the army feel so compelled to marry right away?  My step brother did the same thing. He joined the army because he was a biatch that got beat up by my petite step-sister and he thought this would make him a man. Of course, he got a divorce too.  Such a boring cliche.


In their case, he enlisted and then about two months before he shipped out to Basic he met her and they fell in love. She was worried that he'd leave her while he was away, so she talked him into marrying her as soon as he graduated basic so they could get married housing.

Unfortunately, she was a bit of an implosive flake, so she wound up cheating on him. Luckily for him, he was able to get divorced without owing her a dime, and she left before they had kids so in the end it all worked out about as well as a starter marriage can.
 
2014-03-25 11:57:49 AM

Smeggy Smurf: living high on the hog with welfare


Drink!
 
2014-03-25 11:58:24 AM

dascott: Living high on the hog on welfare, that's a good one.

Those people might exist, and we have a word for them: Criminals.


And here I thought we called them the WalMart Board of Directors.
 
2014-03-25 11:58:30 AM

Nemo's Brother: A third of all bank tellers in this country rely on government assistance.  Of course, the banks own Obama so he will not speak against them, thus there will be no pressure from the left to fix this.


http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-12-04/a-third-of-bank-tell er s-rely-on-government-assistance-study-says


Did you read the first paragraph of the article you linked?
 
2014-03-25 11:58:54 AM

Soup4Bonnie: 15.9 million children lived in food insecure households in 2012.


Yeah, in other words, they get a big fat stack of food stamps every month, that they use at Bodegas to buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets.

Or they sell them on Craigslist.

Again, you live among these people, you don't feel a shred of pity for them, except their children.
Of course, they all grow up to be exactly the same.
 
2014-03-25 11:59:18 AM
No surprise there. It's their demographic.

http://peopleofwalmart.com/
 
2014-03-25 11:59:56 AM

Galius_Persnickety: I'm curious who the 'shareholders' getting all this profit are.
It certainly isn't those of use who have stock holding in our retirement accounts--Walmart's dividend yield is 2.5%, which would give you just enough to live on if you invested $1 million.


The plan is you supplement that with food stamps and medicare. Walmart depends on govt support.
 
2014-03-25 12:00:05 PM

LazyMedia: Dwindle: women always get bennies.

No, they don't. Welfare reform in the '90s means you get two years of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, life time, total. Use that up, and you're in the same boat as a single man.

Fortunately, the vast majority of able-bodied people who get welfare or food stamps wind up eventually getting a job and moving off benefits. The "perpetual welfare" myth today applies only to old and disabled people. There's a fair amount of fraud in the disability area, but it's not like you should tell the majority of disabled or old people to just be more boot-strappy, and cut their benefits.


I thought TANF was two continuous years at a time, up to a lifetime total of 5 years?
 
2014-03-25 12:00:27 PM

dascott: Living high on the hog on welfare, that's a good one.

Those people might exist, and we have a word for them: Criminals.


They are actually jealous of people living at the bottom off the barrel in squalor because they get to eat.
/and they probably have refrigerators to keep all that free lobster and tenderloin in too.
 
2014-03-25 12:00:46 PM

svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.


soda costs less than water in some instances. and processed food that's bad for you is more expensive than fresh fruit and vegetables.
 
2014-03-25 12:01:49 PM

ShadowKamui: People spend food stamps at one of the largest supermarket chain in the nation, what's next Ric is water wet or is fire hot?


Leave it to you to complete miss the entire point.
 
2014-03-25 12:02:50 PM

Hobodeluxe: svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.

soda costs less than water in some instances. and processed food that's bad for you is more less expensive than fresh fruit and vegetables.


ftfm
 
2014-03-25 12:05:21 PM

Yellow Beard: TheWhoppah: The issue is MUCH bigger than food stamps. Wal-Mart's labor practices also depend on welfare.  Wal-Mart pioneered the use of in-house social workers to enroll their own employees into government programs like food stamps and rental assistance for the purpose of using the social safety net to pay a portion of the employee's living expenses.  The result is that they have a stable mature workforce for the price of teenagers. Sure, their employees are low-motivation types but do you really think ambitious people will work as store drones for any extended period anyway?  Walmart stuff's employee paychecks with a flyer that has an 800 number for a 24-hour service called Resources for Living. They have a nationwide list of all charities that use enrollment in food stamps as an automatic qualifier to receive services and they can also hook you up with a list of every food bank, including religious ones, within a 50 mile radius of any walmart store.  The worst is when they hire indigent low skill (no skill) types from the state programs that pay half the wages for the first six months of employment... these individuals are typically fired for (imaginary) cause at the beginning of the seventh month.

This is utter and complete bullshiat. Not only does my son work at wally World but so do my niece, her fiance, and my nephew. Not one has ever seen the "flyer" you are on about or heard of "in house" social workers.


Did you just now talk to your son, your niece, her fiance, and your nephew to ask them? Or have you looked at the paychecks of your son, your niece, her fiance, and your nephew?
 
2014-03-25 12:06:43 PM

Dwindle: Yeah, in other words, they get a big fat stack of food stamps every month,


You don't actually know how SNAP works, do you.
 
2014-03-25 12:07:32 PM

Hobodeluxe: that should be an embarrassment to every American. That our largest corporations and our richest family is on welfare.


It works for England...
 
2014-03-25 12:07:38 PM
Wal-Mart doesn't have an obligation to keep it's workforce fed and clothed. They make no such agreement when you hire on to take a job with them. They agree to pay you a fair wage for bottom rung unskilled labor. The issue is people making careers out of jobs that aren't met to be careers.
 
2014-03-25 12:07:48 PM

Hobodeluxe: that should be an embarrassment to every American. That our largest corporations and our richest family is on welfare.


We should drug test all of their executives and managers monthly until they get their act together
 
2014-03-25 12:08:03 PM
Headline lede worded wrong ..

'Obama, King Of Welfare. Obey Or Don't Eat.'
 
2014-03-25 12:08:15 PM

LazyMedia: Fortunately, the vast majority of able-bodied people who get welfare or food stamps wind up eventually getting a job and moving off benefits. The "perpetual welfare" myth today applies only to old and disabled people.


You're hilarious. Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years, most their entire lives. I know people in their 50's who have never had a job.

The two year rule only applies to Federal welfare, the state has to pick it up after that.

The whole point of welfare is to keep people out of the workforce and dependent on government. The Democrats flood every city nationwide with poor people who will vote for them to keep the benefits flowing. That is why they control almost every city in the nation.

More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
That's not even including those on food stamps, disability, and unemployment.
 
2014-03-25 12:10:04 PM

firefly212: MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.

I'm not saying everyone should finish at the same point and we should all by communists... I'm saying starting the race should mean that nobody starves to death in the richest country in the world. I'm also saying that if you work 40 hours a week, you should be making enough to provide basic food, healthcare, and shelter to your family... nobody's saying finish the race at the same point, except for you.


The only people who starve to death in the US are children of welfare recipients who use their hand-outs to buy dope rather than food.  Link me to an article where someone who can walk and talk has starved to death here in the past 50 years.  Also, as has been pointed out up-thread, WalMart is like McD', BK, KFC, etc.  It's a starting point for kids, or a way for older people to pick up some walking around money.  I doubt very many people take a job there expecting to make a career out of it.  Don't like their policies, don't take a job there and don't shop there.  Never see so much whiny butt-hurt in any threads (politics tab excepted) than in the weekly "WalMart sucks threads.  For fark's sake, it's nobody's fault but your own that you can't get a better job.  Maybe instead of wasting all that money on a worthless BA in quilting you should have gone to trade school?   But no.  Let's all blame somebody else for our own shortcomings and demand people make $40K/year + Bennies for knowing how to stock shelves, and in which aisle I can find toilet paper.
 
2014-03-25 12:10:10 PM

jayphat: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

My other love is that the mention of "walmart is often the largest private employer with the most employees on government assistance" in these articles. What's usually left out, state employees are number 1 in many cases. But, state employees make too much, right?


It's almost like it wouldn't give any useful information to talk about statistics for gov't/military employees that are paid with taxes when also talking about welfare benefits that are also paid with taxes. If you want to pay them more that's fine, but you can't act like it'll be a huge savings to taxpayers.
 
2014-03-25 12:11:14 PM

EWreckedSean: Wal-Mart doesn't have an obligation to keep it's workforce fed and clothed. They make no such agreement when you hire on to take a job with them. They agree to pay you a fair wage for bottom rung unskilled labor. The issue is people making careers out of jobs that aren't met to be careers.


Exactly.  We need the majority of people to be the so called "biatch" while our wealthy benefactors tell us what to do and how to do it. We live to serve them.
 
2014-03-25 12:11:44 PM

jst3p


Alonjar: meat0918: I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that. I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

$18,000 is their paycheck... they also get free healthcare, free food and free housing. When you factor in the benefits, it ends up being way more than just the base pay.

Tax free, right?


No - IIRC base pay is taxed, and Base Allowance for Subsistence (BAS) and Base Allowance for Quarters (BAQ) are not taxed.

And I believe the base pay is not taxed when the servicemember is deployed outside CONUS but I don't recall all the details. (I was never deployed.)

meat0918: Hazardous Duty pay is generally limited to specific geographical areas. Not everyone is eligible.
 
2014-03-25 12:13:00 PM

Dwindle: Soup4Bonnie: 15.9 million children lived in food insecure households in 2012.

Yeah, in other words, they get a big fat stack of food stamps every month, that they use at Bodegas to buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets.

Or they sell them on Craigslist.

Again, you live among these people, you don't feel a shred of pity for them, except their children.
Of course, they all grow up to be exactly the same.


As someone that lived among them and as one of them for a long time before finally finding lucrative work, go fark yourself.

I never, never witnessed this among my peers at the time.  They regularly busted their asses at work just to barely make ends meet.  There was also no such thing as a "big fat stack of food stamps".  It was rarely enough to make it through the month for a family of four.

Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.

The worst I regularly saw was friends "splurging" (and I use the term loosely) a little for a kid's birthday, because god forbid a poor child has any fun, right?

The real worst I saw was this lily white* princess friend of my wife's from high school, a woman so put upon that she actually had to have food stamps after she left her husband because he wanted kids and she didn't.

She was putting on airs and keeping up appearances, getting $80 hair cuts and mani-pedis to "treat herself".  I think it was so she didn't look poor.  She was also a trainwreck of a human being, but that is beside the point.

*I chose that phrase very precisely
 
2014-03-25 12:13:20 PM

Hobodeluxe: svanmeter: Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?

You ever notice that the same demographic that they say are 'hungry' they then claim are victims of 'obesity'.

First they want to give them free soda, then they want to eliminate soda because it makes them fat.

soda costs less than water in some instances. and processed food that's bad for you is more expensive than fresh fruit and vegetables.


Yeay for missing the point. Let me spell it out for you: You want us to pay for them to freeload, then you want us to care when they become fat and lazy. ¡Carajo que hay brutos en esta página!
 
2014-03-25 12:13:40 PM

Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years, most their entire lives. I know people in their 50's who have never had a job.


The ones getting "giant stacks of food stamps"? Actual, literal, stacks of food stamps. lulz.
 
2014-03-25 12:14:31 PM

someonelse: Dwindle: Yeah, in other words, they get a big fat stack of food stamps every month,

You don't actually know how SNAP works, do you.


I used to work for a property management company, whose apartments were rented out almost exclusively to HUD recipients.

We had to fill out their paperwork for their welfare, disability, food stamps, unemployment, and immigration for every single family, every time they moved.

You wouldn't believe how many people who are too disabled to work can still go out to the clubs at night.

And yes, I know they don't literally get food stamps any more. They get a classy looking credit card because leaching off taxpayers shouldn't by undignified.
 
2014-03-25 12:14:33 PM

meat0918: Plus you stupid asshole, food stamps cannot buy liquor, smokes, and lottery tickets; and most definitely cannot be withdrawn at an ATM.


That's the policy, the reality is usually a lot different...
 
2014-03-25 12:14:50 PM

m1ke: Linux_Yes: Brilliant!   throw the baby out with the bathwater.  as long as its not your baby.   i smell a republican again.  well done!

Do people still throw out bath water?  I mean, isn't easier just to let it go down the drain?  Babies don't go down drains very well...


Yeah, but try telling THEM that. Those little bastards are terrified of getting sucked down.
 
2014-03-25 12:16:07 PM

Dwindle: More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/


And less than 20% over 5 years.


Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years,


Oh, you are full of shiat. I see.
 
2014-03-25 12:16:11 PM

Dwindle: LazyMedia: Fortunately, the vast majority of able-bodied people who get welfare or food stamps wind up eventually getting a job and moving off benefits. The "perpetual welfare" myth today applies only to old and disabled people.

You're hilarious. Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years, most their entire lives. I know people in their 50's who have never had a job.

The two year rule only applies to Federal welfare, the state has to pick it up after that.

The whole point of welfare is to keep people out of the workforce and dependent on government. The Democrats flood every city nationwide with poor people who will vote for them to keep the benefits flowing. That is why they control almost every city in the nation.

More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
That's not even including those on food stamps, disability, and unemployment.


Just when you thought you have found the most ignorant thing said on the internet, someone comes along and sets the bar even higher.
 
2014-03-25 12:16:25 PM
Lotta angry, selfish little men, fussing and fuming on Fark this morning.
 
2014-03-25 12:18:06 PM

jst3p: Dwindle: More than 45% of people on welfare have been for over 2 years.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

And less than 20% over 5 years.


Dwindle: Most of the people I know on welfare have been on welfare for over 20 years,

Oh, you are full of shiat. I see.


What I really love is how his anecdotes are gospel truth(while the stats show them to be false), while my anecdotes are suspect to the most extreme levels of suspicion.
 
2014-03-25 12:18:06 PM

Headso: factoryconnection: Never mind that our $15T+ GDP is being held back by a factor of 240% by regulations... it all seems airtight.

If companies could just dump toxic waste directly into the soil it would make poor people 20 billion dollars a year, study it out libs.


Why not feed the toxic waste to the poor? Then they get free food, and die quickly. Double win!
 
2014-03-25 12:18:10 PM

Dwindle: And yes, I know they don't literally get food stamps any more.


You didn't a few minutes ago when you wrote:  "Yeah, in other words, they get a big fat stack of food stamps every month,"

I wonder what percentage of what you've posted was pulled straight from your ass. I'm thinking about 85.
 
2014-03-25 12:18:23 PM
I love it when these issue make the main page. The conservative derp is just glorious! Predictable....but glorious.
 
2014-03-25 12:18:48 PM

archichris: doublesecretprobation: 1) drive wages so low your employees qualify for food stamps
2) profit

/welcome to wal-mart, i love you.

Walmarts wages are above minimum. Typically 50 people show up to apply for every position.

The Other thing is that if that money were not being taxed or borrowed out of the economy, it would still exist....and it would still create economic activity. The fact that Obama is trying to funnel as much of the economy through the Government as possible to create dependence is the real topic here.

Perhaps some of those people could find jobs if we didnt have 38 Trillion dollars per year in Economic activity being prevented by regulation. Wages for the bottom 30% of Americas workforce represent something like a Trillion dollars of the GDP....so merely reducing targeted regulation by 3% could double those workers wages through normal economic forces like supply and demand.

But liberals wont do that because it is more important for them to have control than it is for the lower class to double its wealth.


You do realize that all the tax dollars that you are talking about are injected right back into the economy when the government purchases things with them. Right?

The dollars don't evaporate or get sent to an incinerator.
 
2014-03-25 12:19:09 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: jayphat: What's usually left out, state employees are number 1 in many cases. But, state employees make too much, right?

WTF are you talking about?

/Citations required, otherwise you're just spewing ass juice.


Ass juice, aisle 9.
 
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