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2014-03-25 11:19:04 AM  

drb9: factoryconnection: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Junior enlisted paygrades are low in pay because they're expected to be trainees.  When you enlist with a few kids, or enlist and then knock up the first girl that bats her eyes at you in an off-base bar you're going to struggle.  However, advancement is fairly regular early on and there are always time-in-service pay raises.  Furthermore, military families get free healthcare, subsidized groceries, tax-free housing and subsistence allowances, or they get base housing.  Yes some junior enlisted personnel with kids end up using SNAP, but they are not the general case unlike Wal-Mart.


This is *exactly* the same argument for not raising minimum wage for entry-level employees.


The difference is that military people at all pay grades got a huge pay increase over the past decade. Most of those "troops on food stamps" stories are from the '80s and '90s.
 
2014-03-25 11:19:27 AM  
I can't tell what is satire and what is real in this thread. Somebody hold me.
 
2014-03-25 11:20:16 AM  

meat0918: LazyMedia: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Welcome to America. Pretty much all service member's wives work, like everyone else in the working class, and when they get laid off, they wind up on food stamps. The pay structure is set up for new recruits who are 18 and single; married service members with dependents get some additional bennies like a housing allowance, but it's not enough to make up for the additional expense.

Still, an E-1 makes more than $18,000 a year in base pay alone; that's the equivalent of $9 per hour. Not bad money for an 18-year-old with only a high school diploma, and if you make your expected promotions, you can retire in 20 years when you'll be making over $50k per year in base pay. And if you're married and living, say, in Mobile, AL, you get an extra $1,000 a month as an E-1 for housing. So that's $30k per year, or the equivalent of $15 an hour. The housing allowance goes up with rank, just like pay, and promotion up to E-3 is basically automatic.

America's troops are not underpaid, but some of them have more expenses than they can afford on one fairly decent wage.

I dunno, I think we should pay those guys a bit more than that.  I know they get hazard pay (they do get hazard pay right?!?!?) when deployed, but they should be getting a bit more given the risk they are assumed to be taking.

It might save us money in the long run to pay them more.  The increase in GDP might be worth it all by itself.

I'd take a reduction in forces too, but a guy can dream.


I'd like to see them be able to get actual treatment for any issues they come back from deployment with, as well as knocking down all of the stigma surrounding a diagnosis of PTSD. I'm so tired of the homeless vet meme.
 
2014-03-25 11:21:19 AM  

factoryconnection: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Junior enlisted paygrades are low in pay because they're expected to be trainees.  When you enlist with a few kids, or enlist and then knock up the first girl that bats her eyes at you in an off-base bar you're going to struggle.  However, advancement is fairly regular early on and there are always time-in-service pay raises.  Furthermore, military families get free healthcare, subsidized groceries, tax-free housing and subsistence allowances, or they get base housing.  Yes some junior enlisted personnel with kids end up using SNAP, but they are not the general case unlike Wal-Mart.


This.

I'm sorry whatnow, but you're just out of the ballpark wrong wrong wrong when you compare military compensation to Wal-Mart compensation. Other than a complete void of personal responsibility, there is no reason anyone in the armed services needs to rely on SNAP.

When I was very young, base housing on the army base where I lived sucked ass. When I was 20, I visited my girlfriend in the air force at Fort Walton Beach. She lived in base housing there: it was superior by far to anything most 20 year olds could afford. It's been awhile, but if memory serves, she didn't pay any rent to live there.

I'm of the understanding that base housing at the army base near where I grew up has been upgraded, and is now pretty decent.

Maybe armed forces personnel need a raise. Maybe not. I dunno. I do know that comparing their financial circumstances to those of Wal-Mart workers is just wrong.
 
2014-03-25 11:21:33 AM  

Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.


As someone who's family was on food stamps and government cheese for most of my adolescent life, who's girlfriend throughout highschool was living in subsidized housing with her part-time-work-only mom and 2 siblings, I can say this:  In America, you have to choose to go hungry if you're poor.

That choice might be expressed by spending money on cable and trading benefits for cash to buy lottery tickets, but you have to deliberately make those choices.  As the mexican immigrants say, "In America, even the poor people are fat."

So it makes good copy, but it's not true that the poor people starve.  Not unless they want to.
 
2014-03-25 11:21:37 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: ZAZ: any business accepting food stamps has to pay its workers $15 per hour

Huh.  I'm sure there are many unintended consequences that will be pointed out to me, but at first glance, I'd support that businesses accepting food stamps should pay $10.10.


Why?  This simply overpays people in one part of the country and does nothing to help others.

In my neck of the woods, nobody would even get out of bed for $10.10 an hour, not even the paperboy.

Unemployment should be done at the state level, if not the county level.
 
2014-03-25 11:21:51 AM  

what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.



What? Fark ar you going on about? When I watch those commercials, the kid goes right from some computerized but safe looking battlefield into a corporate boardroom where the same skill set will apparently make him wealthy. The military is just a stepping stone to a better life! I mean...when you're not getting shot at in a hellhole 4,000 miles from your child.
 
2014-03-25 11:22:13 AM  
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2014-03-25 11:22:47 AM  
Slavery is alive and well in America.

Ya know, I hope they do cancel food stamps and every other form of welfare. Cut benefits to veterans, cut funding to police and fire departments, cut any kind of social assistance, fark the healthcare system to hell and back, and deregulate everything.  Do it. DO IT! And then we'll see just how fast you can run motherfarker. Guarantee not all of ya will make it out of the country before the lynch mob gets ahold of ya.
 
2014-03-25 11:26:41 AM  

firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.


People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.
 
2014-03-25 11:27:08 AM  

Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?


Use the money saved to buy anti-personnel rounds.
 
2014-03-25 11:27:37 AM  

TheWhoppah: The issue is MUCH bigger than food stamps. Wal-Mart's labor practices also depend on welfare.  Wal-Mart pioneered the use of in-house social workers to enroll their own employees into government programs like food stamps and rental assistance for the purpose of using the social safety net to pay a portion of the employee's living expenses.  The result is that they have a stable mature workforce for the price of teenagers. Sure, their employees are low-motivation types but do you really think ambitious people will work as store drones for any extended period anyway?  Walmart stuff's employee paychecks with a flyer that has an 800 number for a 24-hour service called Resources for Living. They have a nationwide list of all charities that use enrollment in food stamps as an automatic qualifier to receive services and they can also hook you up with a list of every food bank, including religious ones, within a 50 mile radius of any walmart store.  The worst is when they hire indigent low skill (no skill) types from the state programs that pay half the wages for the first six months of employment... these individuals are typically fired for (imaginary) cause at the beginning of the seventh month.


This is utter and complete bullshiat. Not only does my son work at wally World but so do my niece, her fiance, and my nephew. Not one has ever seen the "flyer" you are on about or heard of "in house" social workers.
 
2014-03-25 11:28:02 AM  

quietwalker: As someone who's family was on food stamps and government cheese for most of my adolescent life, who's girlfriend throughout highschool was living in subsidized housing with her part-time-work-only mom and 2 siblings, I can say this: In America, you have to choose to go hungry if you're poor.

That choice might be expressed by spending money on cable and trading benefits for cash to buy lottery tickets, but you have to deliberately make those choices. As the mexican immigrants say, "In America, even the poor people are fat."

So it makes good copy, but it's not true that the poor people starve. Not unless they want to.


Good point. You know what poverty is like. You were on food stamps. You were on welfare. But did anyone come along and help you out? No. So it makes perfect sense to cut food stamps now.
 
2014-03-25 11:29:07 AM  

MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.


OK, so then you're in favor of a steep inheritance tax, right? And free college? We're just lining up the starting gates here.
 
2014-03-25 11:29:19 AM  

Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.


That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.
 
2014-03-25 11:29:36 AM  

Hobodeluxe: SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.

yeah I mean what kind of problems could 60 million hungry people cause?


You mean solutions?

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2014-03-25 11:30:09 AM  
As the song goes: "It's free. Swipe yo EBT!"

http://youtu.be/xLTTX35LNJo
 
2014-03-25 11:30:32 AM  
quietwalker:

So it makes good copy, but it's not true that the poor people starve.  Not unless they want to.

Hell, even at that, food pantries and churches will give you more food than you can eat anyway. You can't live among the "poor" and feel bad for them.
 
2014-03-25 11:31:00 AM  
You want to raise the wages of the working poor and stick it to giant corporations like Walmart, halt all immigration for a while. Not just illegal, but legal immigration as well.

Let this sink in for a minute, 2008-2013, the number of net jobs created:  Aproox 1.2M.  For the same period, the number of legal immigrants:  Approx  2.5M.  That's not counting the millions who immigrated illegally.
 
2014-03-25 11:31:06 AM  
A third of all bank tellers in this country rely on government assistance.  Of course, the banks own Obama so he will not speak against them, thus there will be no pressure from the left to fix this.


http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-12-04/a-third-of-bank-tell er s-rely-on-government-assistance-study-says
 
2014-03-25 11:31:17 AM  
Is WalMart one of those companies that strictly limits many of their employees to 28 hours a week to avoid paying benefits?  If so, food stamp subsidies is just the beginning.  They are going to be eligible for Obamacare subsidies as well, most likely 100%.  I'm guessing there are already a bunch of WalMart employees on Medicaid.  Seems like just the beginning.
 
2014-03-25 11:32:22 AM  

quietwalker: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

As someone who's family was on food stamps and government cheese for most of my adolescent life, who's girlfriend throughout highschool was living in subsidized housing with her part-time-work-only mom and 2 siblings, I can say this:  In America, you have to choose to go hungry if you're poor.

That choice might be expressed by spending money on cable and trading benefits for cash to buy lottery tickets, but you have to deliberately make those choices.  As the mexican immigrants say, "In America, even the poor people are fat."

So it makes good copy, but it's not true that the poor people starve.  Not unless they want to.


Now subtract the kids, and see what benefits you can get.  Here in VA, that means sleeping on a park bench and hoping some church is running a soup kitchen that week.
 
2014-03-25 11:32:57 AM  

Hobodeluxe: that should be an embarrassment to every American. That our largest corporations and our richest family is on welfare.


What a load. If we are going to pay out billions of welfare dollars a month to keep the Democrats in power, someone besides them better be getting rich in the process.

We're handing out $84B a month in corporate welfare to the banks and Wall St., and you're complaining about food stamps.
 
2014-03-25 11:32:59 AM  

meat0918: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.


The employee discount at wally world is 10% on everything except clearance items and groceries.
 
2014-03-25 11:33:40 AM  

what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.


Look, if you're a 22 year old E3 with four kids and a mom on dialysis, there's only so far that $20K/yr goes, but it's still about 33% higher than minimum wage. I don't know about the other branches, but the Army bends over backwards to make sure soldiers are financially afloat.

That said, during my sergeant days, I had a couple of soldiers with financial difficulties and credit going into death spirals - that I had to counsel as part of my job. In both cases, I started with the fact that they were driving vehicles that cost roughly twice what my own car did. There are unbelievable resources out there for military members, if you have the slightest motivation to fix your financial problems.
 
2014-03-25 11:33:40 AM  

Nemo's Brother: Of course, the banks own Obama so he will not speak against them, thus there will be no pressure from the left to fix this.


The right wing would like to know: Why hasn't Obama fixed a problem we care nothing about?
 
2014-03-25 11:33:56 AM  

Mad_Radhu: factoryconnection: what_now: I love that we're picking on Wal Mart and not that other huge employer who's employees are often on food stamps because the pay is so low: The US Armed Forces.

Junior enlisted paygrades are low in pay because they're expected to be trainees.  When you enlist with a few kids, or enlist and then knock up the first girl that bats her eyes at you in an off-base bar you're going to struggle.  However, advancement is fairly regular early on and there are always time-in-service pay raises.  Furthermore, military families get free healthcare, subsidized groceries, tax-free housing and subsistence allowances, or they get base housing.  Yes some junior enlisted personnel with kids end up using SNAP, but they are not the general case unlike Wal-Mart.

My brother enlisted and got married right out of basic, and he and his wife did fine on his pay and allowances. They weren't living large, but they always had a roof over their heads, they ate well and had medical care provided by the base. I have to wonder if some of the military families just applied for food stamps so they could pocket the food allowance money and spend it on cigarettes and beer, because unless you enlist with a small litter of kids you should be fine with the basic necessities all paid for.

If you know someone in the service there are all sorts of ways to stretch the allowance money. For example, my brother roomed with two other guys after his divorce, and they were all getting a $800 or so housing allowance so they rented a three bedroom house for $1600 a month and pocketed the extra $800 for beer money.


Why do the type of people that enlist in the army feel so compelled to marry right away?  My step brother did the same thing. He joined the army because he was a biatch that got beat up by my petite step-sister and he thought this would make him a man. Of course, he got a divorce too.  Such a boring cliche.
 
2014-03-25 11:33:58 AM  

Nemo's Brother: A third of all bank tellers in this country rely on government assistance.  Of course, the banks own Obama so he will not speak against them, thus there will be no pressure from the left to fix this.


http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-12-04/a-third-of-bank-tell er s-rely-on-government-assistance-study-says


Terrific point. Because libs won't do anything to help bank tellers, nobody should be concerned for the well-being of Wal-Mart's customers and employees.
 
2014-03-25 11:37:05 AM  

Dwindle: quietwalker:

So it makes good copy, but it's not true that the poor people starve.  Not unless they want to.

Hell, even at that, food pantries and churches will give you more food than you can eat anyway. You can't live among the "poor" and feel bad for them.


Not if you're a sociopath lacking all empathy, you can't. I'll give you that one.
 
2014-03-25 11:37:14 AM  

SovietCanuckistan: Is Walmart Black and poor?


Rev. Al, you're a Farker
 
2014-03-25 11:37:32 AM  

clkeagle: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

What welfare program is "designed" to support healthy Americans working full-time for a profitable corporation? There shouldn't be one. If you are a for-profit company and any kind of government benefit adds to your bottom line, you should be mandated to pay your employees above the poverty line for that location.


But that's the thing: they aren't full-time. Walmart intentionally limits hours to prevent having to pay benefits, reducing the employees effective wage to the point that they also, incidentally, qualify for foodstamps.
 
2014-03-25 11:38:02 AM  
Pretty sure it's the employees who are dependant on the food stamps. But hey we should totally be mad at Wal Mart since the people they hire have so few valuable skills they have to work for minimum wage and collect food stamps. Wal Mart should stop hiring people like that so they can all live the dream.
 
2014-03-25 11:38:20 AM  

MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.


I'm not saying everyone should finish at the same point and we should all by communists... I'm saying starting the race should mean that nobody starves to death in the richest country in the world. I'm also saying that if you work 40 hours a week, you should be making enough to provide basic food, healthcare, and shelter to your family... nobody's saying finish the race at the same point, except for you.
 
2014-03-25 11:38:21 AM  

MFAWG: SovietCanuckistan: Is Walmart Black and poor?

Just their employees customers.


FTFY
 
2014-03-25 11:39:13 AM  
Just Modern American Capitalism 101 - socialize the risks and costs, privatize the profits - untaxed, to the degree possible.
 
2014-03-25 11:40:28 AM  
dascott:

Now subtract the kids, and see what benefits you can get.  Here in VA, that means sleeping on a park bench and hoping some church is running a soup kitchen that week.

Sure, that's why people mass produce kids in the first place.

However, women always get bennies. It's not much, but it keeps a roof over their head. Food pantries are plentiful, but you have to be in a central town.

Of course if you're a single guy, you're shiat out of luck. That's why most homeless people are men.
 
2014-03-25 11:41:09 AM  
Become? It has been for a long time. You would be hard pressed to find any corporation or individual that is not receiving some form of government assistance in the United States. The real tragedy is most people don't even understand that they are receiving government assistance in the form of tax brakes, subsidized insurance, etc....
 
2014-03-25 11:41:11 AM  

Kevin Lomax: Pretty sure it's the employees who are dependant on the food stamps. But hey we should totally be mad at Wal Mart since the people they hire have so few valuable skills they have to work for minimum wage and collect food stamps. Wal Mart should stop hiring people like that so they can all live the dream.


And while we're at it, we should pack up jobs they would have filled and send them to other countries, leaving all of those people with limited options.
 
2014-03-25 11:41:13 AM  

CivicMindedFive: You want to raise the wages of the working poor and stick it to giant corporations like Walmart, halt all immigration for a while. Not just illegal, but legal immigration as well.

Let this sink in for a minute, 2008-2013, the number of net jobs created:  Aproox 1.2M.  For the same period, the number of legal immigrants:  Approx  2.5M.  That's not counting the millions who immigrated illegally.


That's the nationalist theory, but it really wouldn't improve anything. Immigrants work harder than lazy-ass American kids, and create more wealth for everyone. Personally, I'd trade Lindsey Lohan for Lupita Nyongo any day.
 
2014-03-25 11:42:08 AM  
15.9 million children lived in food insecure households in 2012.[ii]
20% or more of the child population in 37 states and D.C. lived in food insecure households in 2011, according to the most recent data available. New Mexico (30.6%) and the District of Columbia (30.0%) had the highest rates of children in households without consistent access to food.[iii]
In 2011, the top five states with the highest rate of food insecure children under 18 are New Mexico, the District of Columbia, Arizona, Oregon, and Georgia.[iv]

Dwindle: You can't live among the "poor" and feel bad for them.


Wow.
 
2014-03-25 11:42:30 AM  

Kevin Lomax: Pretty sure it's the employees who are dependant on the food stamps. But hey we should totally be mad at Wal Mart since the people they hire have so few valuable skills they have to work for minimum wage and collect food stamps. Wal Mart should stop hiring people like that so they can all live the dream.


i18.photobucket.com
That'll get you a few.
 
2014-03-25 11:43:35 AM  

Kevin Lomax: Pretty sure it's the employees who are dependant on the food stamps. But hey we should totally be mad at Wal Mart since the people they hire have so few valuable skills they have to work for minimum wage and collect food stamps. Wal Mart should stop hiring people like that so they can all live the dream.


Stop blaming the workers.
 
2014-03-25 11:45:25 AM  

Yellow Beard: TheWhoppah: The issue is MUCH bigger than food stamps. Wal-Mart's labor practices also depend on welfare.  Wal-Mart pioneered the use of in-house social workers to enroll their own employees into government programs like food stamps and rental assistance for the purpose of using the social safety net to pay a portion of the employee's living expenses.  The result is that they have a stable mature workforce for the price of teenagers. Sure, their employees are low-motivation types but do you really think ambitious people will work as store drones for any extended period anyway?  Walmart stuff's employee paychecks with a flyer that has an 800 number for a 24-hour service called Resources for Living. They have a nationwide list of all charities that use enrollment in food stamps as an automatic qualifier to receive services and they can also hook you up with a list of every food bank, including religious ones, within a 50 mile radius of any walmart store.  The worst is when they hire indigent low skill (no skill) types from the state programs that pay half the wages for the first six months of employment... these individuals are typically fired for (imaginary) cause at the beginning of the seventh month.

This is utter and complete bullshiat. Not only does my son work at wally World but so do my niece, her fiance, and my nephew. Not one has ever seen the "flyer" you are on about or heard of "in house" social workers.



This image ring any bells?
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See also:  http://www.ehow.com/list_6513786_benefits-working-wal_mart.html
 
2014-03-25 11:45:40 AM  

Yellow Beard: meat0918: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

That's what I figured it was about.

What is often left unsaid is many WalMart regular employees are also food stamp recipients, and unless they've changed the policy, WalMart offers a discount on goods purchased by employees, so guess where those employees do the majority of their grocery shopping?

Good old WalMart.

WalMart directly benefits from food stamps in more ways than one.

The employee discount at wally world is 10% on everything except clearance items and groceries.


Thank you.  I was told by an employee it was on everything.  Granted, this was over a decade ago.
 
2014-03-25 11:45:43 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Walmart and the US Military: A match made in heaven.


Keep the economy down causing kids no choice but to join the military and shop at Walmart.
 
2014-03-25 11:46:04 AM  

MechaPyx: Slavery is alive and well in America.

Ya know, I hope they do cancel food stamps and every other form of welfare. Cut benefits to veterans, cut funding to police and fire departments, cut any kind of social assistance, fark the healthcare system to hell and back, and deregulate everything.  Do it. DO IT! And then we'll see just how fast you can run motherfarker. Guarantee not all of ya will make it out of the country before the lynch mob gets ahold of ya.


It is indeed. And it's not for the hourly worker. Allow me to copy/paste something from months back I read that highlights where the real slavery is: retail management.

Be careful gonna get a lot of those "well change jobs" "get out of retail". Retail management is almost like a black hole, you start doing it in your mid 20's while your trying to figure out what you want to do or trying to get a job in your field of study, being a hard worker you are good at your job and you move up, the money is decent as you are single and heck the job is fun, lot of cute girls, go out with your co-workers or fellow mall workers after work. depending on where you work, a store discount and some great stuff. then you move up to store manager and the money becomes a bit better and now your married with a kid well the hours suck but you have bills to pay and your spouse is taking classes for her/his career.
10-15 years later you are pushing 40, the company you work for has been sold twice, the store business hours have gone from 76 hours open a week to 95 hours open and instead of having a salaried assistant manager they are now limited to 50 hours a week due to some class action lawsuits where the DM were working their assistance 6 days a week and 70 hours doing mainly non-managerial duties. So instead of your 50 hours a week you are now working 60 hours a week except during the Christmas holidays were you are now working 95 hours a week and hey you even have to work thanksgiving.
You want to get out but hard to find a job since so many people think retail workers are idiots (we look at a lot of folks who work non retail jobs as slackers since we are used to getting a lot done on a daily basis). or not sure whatelse you can do after so many years stuck in the retail grind. Moving up out of the store. sure no store to go to but now with wonderful cell phones and laptops you are pretty much working 24/7 and due to a prior DM and or regional boss who feels its best to replace the a lot of the older managers with some young talent (most of who suck and don't want the hours) you are now taking stupid calls at 9 pm. on "what do i do i'm $5 short in the drawer or how do I correct the incorrect voided ticket"...really?
 
2014-03-25 11:47:00 AM  

Dwindle: dascott:

Now subtract the kids, and see what benefits you can get.  Here in VA, that means sleeping on a park bench and hoping some church is running a soup kitchen that week.

Sure, that's why people mass produce kids in the first place.

However, women always get bennies. It's not much, but it keeps a roof over their head. Food pantries are plentiful, but you have to be in a central town.

Of course if you're a single guy, you're shiat out of luck. That's why most homeless people are men.


Wouldn't it be nice if we weren't encouraging people to poop out kids they can't afford, and instead extended benefits to all poor people and possibly save money in the long run?  Food stamps and condoms for all.
 
2014-03-25 11:47:26 AM  

MemeSlave: firefly212: BMFPitt: Hey, it's this thread again. Always interesting to see the people who most strongly support these programs get butthurt because they are working as designed.

To be clear, I support food stamps because nobody should go hungry. I support a reasonable minimum wage because nobody who works 40 hours a week should need food stamps.

People need to start the race at the same point, not finish it at the same point.


Yes, because people on food stamps finish at the same point as their multi-billionaire employers.

Meanwhile, in reality, such programs only barely get most of these people to the starting line, and the people who've already finished are biatching about giving them even that.
 
2014-03-25 11:47:28 AM  

quietwalker: Dog Welder: Since it appears nobody bothered to read the actual article, what is actually being stated by WalMart is that their revenues are influenced by the amount of SNAP benefits being spent at its stores, and that if the SNAP programs are cut then WalMart will likely see a drop in revenue as spending decreases.

The GOP's plan to bring about a good economy fails when they take away spending power, and poor people get to starve as a side effect.

As someone who's family was on food stamps and government cheese for most of my adolescent life, who's girlfriend throughout highschool was living in subsidized housing with her part-time-work-only mom and 2 siblings, I can say this:  In America, you have to choose to go hungry if you're poor.

That choice might be expressed by spending money on cable and trading benefits for cash to buy lottery tickets, but you have to deliberately make those choices.  As the mexican immigrants say, "In America, even the poor people are fat."

So it makes good copy, but it's not true that the poor people starve.  Not unless they want to.


Having been poor, even homeless at one point... you're full of shiat. Ya, you had a bit of a rough go, but no, you weren't at rock bottom for what America has to offer. You don't know what it is to cut a doughnut in half so it can be both breakfast and dinner. When I finally managed to land a job (which is hard when you have no phone and no address), my boss bought me breakfast on my first day... an egg mcmuffin thing from dunkin donuts (I don't know what they call them). I ate three bites, and I couldn't eat any more, because I was so full... I just couldn't finish that little frickin thing for the life of me because I'd been undereating for so long. At 5'9, I was 112 lbs. In America, the truly poor are invisible, not fat.
 
2014-03-25 11:48:25 AM  

SevenizGud: Eliminate food stamps.

Problem solved.


Go back to commodities and force people to have to pick them up in person.  You damned well know that shiat will change in a hurry.  Between businesses no longer having the government tit to suck on and the torches and pitchfork crowd demanding things change something will happen.

My bet is a lot of people that are living high on the hog with welfare will turn to crime because they lack the work ethic to get a job like decent people.
 
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