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(New Europe)   Tymoshenko: It's time to kill those damned Russians   (neurope.eu ) divider line
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2014-03-25 07:43:05 AM  
They really farked her up, didn't they?  Yulia Tymoshenko meeting Angela Merkel just 3 years ago:

upload.wikimedia.org

And from the farkin' article (recent, post prison release picture):

assets2.neurope.eu
 
2014-03-25 07:53:40 AM  
This will end well, I can feel it...

dittybopper: They really farked her up, didn't they?  Yulia Tymoshenko meeting Angela Merkel just 3 years ago:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 599x480]

And from the farkin' article (recent, post prison release picture):

[assets2.neurope.eu image 775x542]


holy crap. Is she recovering and just in the wheel chair for the time being or did they really fark up her spine?
 
2014-03-25 08:00:38 AM  

somedude210: This will end well, I can feel it...

dittybopper: They really farked her up, didn't they?  Yulia Tymoshenko meeting Angela Merkel just 3 years ago:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 599x480]

And from the farkin' article (recent, post prison release picture):

[assets2.neurope.eu image 775x542]

holy crap. Is she recovering and just in the wheel chair for the time being or did they really fark up her spine?


She said she was beaten badly and her back got messed up. I didn't think it was THAT messed up.

/I'd still hit it
 
2014-03-25 08:01:48 AM  

dr_blasto: She said she was beaten badly and her back got messed up. I didn't think it was THAT messed up.

/I'd still hit it


So did her jailers.
 
2014-03-25 08:05:27 AM  

somedude210: holy crap. Is she recovering and just in the wheel chair for the time being or did they really fark up her spine?


Consider this:  She was jailed in late 2011, and released last month.  That's something like 2.5-ish years in jail.  And she is in a wheelchair.
 
2014-03-25 08:15:28 AM  

dr_blasto: She said she was beaten badly and her back got messed up. I didn't think it was THAT messed up.


dittybopper: Consider this: She was jailed in late 2011, and released last month. That's something like 2.5-ish years in jail. And she is in a wheelchair.


fair point. I didn't realize they beat political prisoners, not realizing that they'd get out one day and vow vengeance
 
2014-03-25 08:32:48 AM  

somedude210: I didn't realize they beat political prisoners, not realizing that they'd get out one day and vow vengeance


They probably didn't figure that either.  Or, at least, they didn't figure on it happening quite so soon.

And I don't blame her, not one bit.  The Ukraine might eventually lose, *BUT* if they make it expensive enough for the Russians, they might win anyway.  But it will be a very expensive, perhaps even pyrrhic win.

So you have to balance the "OK, do we take up arms and do what we can" and "Wait it out and see what we can do non-violently" ideas and see which seems the best way forward.  Both have potentially devastating costs.

But if I were the Ukrainians, I'd foment some deniable violence in Crimea.
 
2014-03-25 08:47:04 AM  

dittybopper: I'd foment some deniable violence in Crimea.


I don't think that's possible. If anything were to happen in Crimea, the Russians would either know or guess it was the Ukrainians and use it as a pretext for war.
 
2014-03-25 09:06:44 AM  

somedude210: dittybopper: I'd foment some deniable violence in Crimea.

I don't think that's possible. If anything were to happen in Crimea, the Russians would either know or guess it was the Ukrainians and use it as a pretext for war.


Could be Crimeans.

Nobody is that naive, not even the Russians, to believe that everybody in Crimea is happy about the situation:

In addition to Crimean Tatars, who make up about 12 percent of the population and generally oppose becoming part of Russia, many young Crimeans, born after Ukrainian independence, have come out strongly against the referendum, putting them in conflict with their parents and grandparents, some of whom have fond memories of the Soviet Union.

So they could help the Tartars and Fine Young Crimeans in covert ways.

Either way, though, it seems like Russia is gearing up for war with the Ukraine anyway, so they probably don't lose anything.  And if it makes the Russians more of a pariah on the World stage, that can only help.
 
2014-03-25 09:07:47 AM  
I'd also point out that unattached young people are precisely the sort of people who resort to violent protest.
 
2014-03-25 09:23:26 AM  

dittybopper: So they could help the Tartars and Fine Young Crimeans in covert ways.

Either way, though, it seems like Russia is gearing up for war with the Ukraine anyway, so they probably don't lose anything. And if it makes the Russians more of a pariah on the World stage, that can only help.


Russia is probably doing less "gearing up for war" and more "hey, look how many dudes we got here on the other side of the border, with their swanky guns and armor and shiat. We don't really want to go in there but we just wanted to show you all our cool new shiat that we can use if you do something stupid. love you"
 
2014-03-25 09:25:58 AM  
Just you two, here, today?
 
2014-03-25 09:28:56 AM  

vudukungfu: Just you two, here, today?


we have interesting conversations together
 
2014-03-25 09:36:39 AM  

somedude210: vudukungfu: Just you two, here, today?

we have interesting conversations together


are you barry or other barry
 
2014-03-25 09:46:15 AM  
blog.syracuse.com
"There'd be no war!"
 
2014-03-25 09:51:07 AM  

sprawl15: are you barry or other barry


?
 
2014-03-25 09:53:24 AM  
Time to send the US Army to Ukraine for "training exercises."

/Bring out some Russian scalps.
 
2014-03-25 09:58:46 AM  

s2s2s2: "There'd be no war!"


To be fair, after killing all the Russians with nuclear weapons, there wouldn't be much left to war over.
 
2014-03-25 10:01:44 AM  

dr_blasto: somedude210: This will end well, I can feel it...

dittybopper: They really farked her up, didn't they?  Yulia Tymoshenko meeting Angela Merkel just 3 years ago:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 599x480]

And from the farkin' article (recent, post prison release picture):

[assets2.neurope.eu image 775x542]

holy crap. Is she recovering and just in the wheel chair for the time being or did they really fark up her spine?

She said she was beaten badly and her back got messed up. I didn't think it was THAT messed up.

/I'd still hit it


AFAIK it was the prison staff refusing to provide her any kind of treatment that aggravated the injury. From what i understand, she's just about on the edge of being a paraplegic now.
 
2014-03-25 11:02:53 AM  

s2s2s2: [blog.syracuse.com image 424x648]
"There'd be no war!"


But Tymoshenko sounds manly and decisive.  I thought you guys liked that.
 
2014-03-25 11:57:41 AM  

somedude210: vudukungfu: Just you two, here, today?

we have interesting conversations together


Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.
 
2014-03-25 12:02:21 PM  

dittybopper: Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.


no one would believe us if we show up in a gun thread :P
 
2014-03-25 12:22:50 PM  

dittybopper: Could be Crimeans.

Nobody is that naive, not even the Russians, to believe that everybody in Crimea is happy about the situation:

In addition to Crimean Tatars, who make up about 12 percent of the population and generally oppose becoming part of Russia, many young Crimeans, born after Ukrainian independence, have come out strongly against the referendum, putting them in conflict with their parents and grandparents, some of whom have fond memories of the Soviet Union.

So they could help the Tartars and Fine Young Crimeans in covert ways.

Either way, though, it seems like Russia is gearing up for war with the Ukraine anyway, so they probably don't lose anything. And if it makes the Russians more of a pariah on the World stage, that can only help.


If Russia starts shiatting on the Tartars again, Turkey will go bullshiat on them.  Turkey's president would LOVE that, give him a good distraction from domestic troubles.
 
2014-03-25 12:47:45 PM  

Smoking GNU: dr_blasto: somedude210: This will end well, I can feel it...

dittybopper: They really farked her up, didn't they?  Yulia Tymoshenko meeting Angela Merkel just 3 years ago:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 599x480]

And from the farkin' article (recent, post prison release picture):

[assets2.neurope.eu image 775x542]

holy crap. Is she recovering and just in the wheel chair for the time being or did they really fark up her spine?

She said she was beaten badly and her back got messed up. I didn't think it was THAT messed up.

/I'd still hit it

AFAIK it was the prison staff refusing to provide her any kind of treatment that aggravated the injury. From what i understand, she's just about on the edge of being a paraplegic now.


That's awful. I had read that, at some point, they moved her to a hospital. I thought, at the time, perhaps she was just smacked around, not beat into a wheelchair. The pictures didn't look so bad. I can understand her anger, though.
 
2014-03-25 12:59:10 PM  

somedude210: dittybopper: Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.

no one would believe us if we show up in a gun thread :P


Heh.

I once had an argument with one of my alts, and had people really believing it.  It was hilarious, but it actually became hard to come up with good sounding arguments on both sides, so I let the cat out of the bag.
 
2014-03-25 01:01:27 PM  

dittybopper: somedude210: dittybopper: Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.

no one would believe us if we show up in a gun thread :P

Heh.

I once had an argument with one of my alts, and had people really believing it.  It was hilarious, but it actually became hard to come up with good sounding arguments on both sides, so I let the cat out of the bag.


I remember that thread.  Pretty weak sauce, actually.  You didn't fool anybody.
 
2014-03-25 01:02:10 PM  

JamesWhitsun: dittybopper: somedude210: dittybopper: Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.

no one would believe us if we show up in a gun thread :P

Heh.

I once had an argument with one of my alts, and had people really believing it.  It was hilarious, but it actually became hard to come up with good sounding arguments on both sides, so I let the cat out of the bag.

I remember that thread.  Pretty weak sauce, actually.  You didn't fool anybody.


Yes I did.
 
2014-03-25 01:04:03 PM  

dittybopper: JamesWhitsun: dittybopper: somedude210: dittybopper: Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.

no one would believe us if we show up in a gun thread :P

Heh.

I once had an argument with one of my alts, and had people really believing it.  It was hilarious, but it actually became hard to come up with good sounding arguments on both sides, so I let the cat out of the bag.

I remember that thread.  Pretty weak sauce, actually.  You didn't fool anybody.

Yes I did.


No, you didn't.
 
2014-03-25 01:41:55 PM  
i.imgbox.com
"I like her, I really like her."
 
2014-03-25 05:17:43 PM  
If I suddenly woke up and found there were Russian military in my country, I'd say the same damned thing.

Then I'd get out and kill me some Russians.

/Russians are fine, when they're in Russia
//Or peacefully traveling/immigrating etc
 
2014-03-25 05:21:47 PM  

JamesWhitsun: dittybopper: JamesWhitsun: dittybopper: somedude210: dittybopper: Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.

no one would believe us if we show up in a gun thread :P

Heh.

I once had an argument with one of my alts, and had people really believing it.  It was hilarious, but it actually became hard to come up with good sounding arguments on both sides, so I let the cat out of the bag.

I remember that thread.  Pretty weak sauce, actually.  You didn't fool anybody.

Yes I did.

No, you didn't.


It would be hilarious if JamesWhitsun turned out to be dittybopper's alt.
 
2014-03-25 05:22:59 PM  

Super Chronic: JamesWhitsun: dittybopper: JamesWhitsun: dittybopper: somedude210: dittybopper: Maybe I should put the effort into convincing people you're my alt.

no one would believe us if we show up in a gun thread :P

Heh.

I once had an argument with one of my alts, and had people really believing it.  It was hilarious, but it actually became hard to come up with good sounding arguments on both sides, so I let the cat out of the bag.

I remember that thread.  Pretty weak sauce, actually.  You didn't fool anybody.

Yes I did.

No, you didn't.

It would be hilarious if JamesWhitsun turned out to be dittybopper's alt.


*clicks on profile*

Well, damn.
 
2014-03-25 05:23:42 PM  

Super Chronic: *clicks on profile*

Well, damn.


Don't feel bad, you still remain my very favorite farker.
 
2014-03-25 06:09:18 PM  
The Obvious Tag was run over by a tank?
 
2014-03-25 06:29:39 PM  

dittybopper: Could be Crimeans.

Nobody is that naive, not even the Russians, to believe that everybody in Crimea is happy about the situation:


Yeah, but nobody is naive enough to believe they set up a legitimate election in a week and actually got 96.77% of people (with 83.1% voter turnout) to vote for Crimea joining Russia either, including the Russians, but the reality is that it doesn't really matter.

Russia is simply creating talking points to give them some thin veneer of justification... it doesn't have to be believable, they just need something to say with a straight face while they act in whatever fashion they wish to anyway.

So no matter how "deniable" the violence in Crimea that some intrepid Ukrainians whipped up was, Russia will simply spin it however they wish to support whatever they want to do - with utter disregard to how believable their spin is or not. Then the Russians will act however the hell they want anyway. Whether it's the right or wrong play for the Ukrainians to do in the final analysis I do not know... I just know that they shouldn't expect the Russians to play along, and not to expect the Russians to abide by any sort of political conventions they don't care to.
 
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