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(9 News)   School won't let 11-year-old girl back to school because she violated the school's dress code policy by: A) wearing a t-shirt with a bad word, B) wearing shorts that revealed her underwear or C) shaving her head to support her friend with cancer   (9news.com) divider line 130
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2014-03-25 10:22:36 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: redmid17: GrizzlyPouch: Jonnya and Redmid17, not a distraction?

10 and 11 year olds lose their minds when something is out of the ordinary. Then by next week their forming little groups half with shaved heads half with wigs down to their feet.

There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

Adults can barely handle it when something is off. Don't believe me? Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it

They "lose their mind" for about 10 minutes. I remember being 11 and it was probably less time ago than you. This should not even be an issue. The teacher could have taken 5 minutes to let her explain why she shaved her head. If shaved heads were a big deal, the school wouldn't let boys have them. They do, because it's not a big deal.

The school blew this way out of proportion and look like idiots for doing so.

Yeah that was my original idea which u seemed to disagree with

I had thought you were saying no big deal, just ignore it. Which I think is a terrible idea


I do disagree with your original idea. You don't need a frickin' school assembly to explain it, and suspending the girl is far worse than ignoring it.
 
2014-03-25 10:27:24 AM  
I guess this ad wouldn't play well with these school administrators!

(Trivia: it was directed by the director of Dallas Buyer's Club)
 
2014-03-25 10:29:43 AM  
I'm starting to lose your process here Grizzly. Are you really saying that suspending her is a better scenario than respecting, accepting, and moving on from her choice to cut her hair?  How is getting over her baldness in 10 minutes in any way akin to burying heads in the sand? Hoping what goes away? I don't want her or her shaved head to go away. Quite the opposite....

Anyway as pointed out above, the school came to their senses and She's allowed in today. Seems like they got over it too. Took a little more than 10 minutes, but I'm glad that common sense and compassion prevailed.
 
2014-03-25 10:41:51 AM  

mike_d85: GrizzlyPouch: There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

... Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it

1 - The high school thing wasn't an organized event.  It wasn't even a support group.  I paid attention because it was in a neighborhood I used to live in in MA.  Turns out that schools with crappy sex ed programs and loose teen girls have high populations of knocked up chicks.  Also, they didn't all have the same father.  They did blood testing and found different daddies because of the stupid rumors floating around.  The girls just didn't want to rat out the fathers.

2 - Your gas cap is covered for several reasons.  Aerodynamics, aesthetics, protecting the vehicle's parts and even safety.  They are telling you for your own good.  Like when your shoes are untied.  You might trip or possibly lose a shoe.


1. You wanna tell me not even 1 of those kids intentionally got pregnant because other kids were doing it? I didn't have a point about that specific situation, just about kids in general

2. Agreed. But is the possibility of that worth driving up next to the car with it open flapping your arms, pulling in front of them slowing down and waving your arms etc. My point wasn't that it isn't a valid reason to have a reaction, but that the level of reaction can be inappropriate
 
2014-03-25 10:46:33 AM  

limeyfellow: It always surprises me how few schools in the US seem to have uniforms. When I went in the UK, we had to wear black trousers, a white shirt, black shoes, the school tie, a black sweater was permissible when it was cold and a blazer. During sports it was red for winter sports, with white shorts, or all white for summer sports. No makeup was allowed, no perfume, haircut had to be fairly decent, all the way from age 6-16 when we finish school.


I also went to school in the UK. Foolishly, as a 16-year old in 1987, I had hair extensions put in. I was of course made fun of, and was the major gossiping point for a while. The school administration simply had no idea how to deal with this. No boy ever had "unnatural, synthetic hair" added. It just didn't happen in that part of the world back then. The simplest thing for the school to do was, of course, ban this activity. It took them 6 weeks to implement a rule but they did it.

/am now bald
 
2014-03-25 10:52:15 AM  

jonnya: I'm starting to lose your process here Grizzly. Are you really saying that suspending her is a better scenario than respecting, accepting, and moving on from her choice to cut her hair?  How is getting over her baldness in 10 minutes in any way akin to burying heads in the sand? Hoping what goes away? I don't want her or her shaved head to go away. Quite the opposite....

Anyway as pointed out above, the school came to their senses and She's allowed in today. Seems like they got over it too. Took a little more than 10 minutes, but I'm glad that common sense and compassion prevailed.


No. Just saying address the situation and be done with it. Don't ignore it and let it become a bigger distraction

Obviously suspending her was a bad decision also if they were trying to prevent distractions

I don't agree with the schools decision at all. I don't agree with the people who have posted its a non issue either.
 
2014-03-25 11:23:21 AM  
just have everybody else shave their head....problem solved
 
2014-03-25 11:31:58 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: I can understand the rule because it's a school, the kids are there to learn and a little girl with a shaved head would be a huge distraction.



I never liked that mealy mouthed lawyer phrase, when it comes to school policy for students.

Friggen Pokemon is a distraction. Friggen football homecoming is a distraction. The week before Xmas is a time where students didn't want to do dick-all. Last night's teen T.V. drama llama show is a distraction.

Gang symbols are a huge distraction, because people actually get hurt. Letting little lisa dress like a sorority freshmen is a huge distraction because wieners and wieners-like behavior.
What possibly distraction could a shaved head cause?

"Hey, did you see lisa? she shaved her head."
"Wierd."
OMFG, the teacher can blame a little girl instead of One Tree Hill or whatever crap kids are gossiping about instead of learning math.
 
2014-03-25 12:33:25 PM  
"Zero Tolerance" shows it's ugly shaved head.
 
2014-03-25 01:26:40 PM  
How about we put people with good decision making skills in charge of our schools instead?
 
2014-03-25 01:38:34 PM  

BullBearMS: How about we put people with good decision making skills in charge of our schools instead?


People with good decision making skills have mostly made the good decision of not wnating that job.

Snark, aside, I'm sure there are plenty of school principals and teachers who do have enough working neurons, but like in all other professions, we don't hear about those, we only hear about the weapons-grade stupid ones.
 
2014-03-25 01:49:50 PM  

waterrockets: Sass-O-Rev: Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta

Hm, I wonder if you've ever treated head lice.


Yes, I have, about twenty years ago when my kids were young.
 
2014-03-25 01:53:21 PM  

Flab: Snark, aside, I'm sure there are plenty of school principals and teachers who do have enough working neurons, but like in all other professions, we don't hear about those, we only hear about the weapons-grade stupid ones


That's exactly the point.  The other point is why would a teacher that makes $70k a year and get the entire summer off move to a job that pays $85k a year and you have to work all summer, all snow days, don't get nearly as much time off on holidays, etc....
 
2014-03-25 02:58:33 PM  
Am I the only one that GIS'd the Chairman of the Board of Directors for the school?

Catherine Norton Breman
 
2014-03-25 02:59:59 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-25 03:36:30 PM  
and this is why i hate school dress codes as they almost always go beyond common sense and end up causing messes like this  that would otherwise be a non issue.
 
2014-03-25 03:43:39 PM  

GDubDub: GDubDub: Again subby, and for everyone else who keeps submitting these "I broke a policy to show solidarity with a sick friend" stories and shouldn't have to face the consequences:  PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Non-story.

Oops, someone above posted that it was a publicly funded charter school.  That said, still a non-story.


Fortunately your presience allowed you to be a coont without having to change your opinion once you laid hold of some facts. Nicely done!
 
2014-03-25 04:03:29 PM  
Come on Farkers!  No pics of young girls with short, shorts and underwear showing???
 
2014-03-25 04:09:49 PM  

ehahn: Come on Farkers!  No pics of young girls with short, shorts and underwear showing???


bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2014-03-25 04:23:41 PM  
Shiat...I live in Grand Junction (Aka Jesusfreakistan, where pot is bad and liquor stores, meth heads and churches are cool)
 
2014-03-25 04:42:15 PM  
I'm curious, does the 'no shaved heads' pertain to the boys too?
 
2014-03-25 05:37:25 PM  

ReapTheChaos: At the start of every school year they send home a packet of information and forms you need to read, fill out and sign. One of those will be the schools official code of conduct. Those rules apply to your little snowflake just as much as all the other kids in that school, and nowhere in there does it say those rules can be broken if you think you have a spiffy reason to do so.


Pretty much this.  Especially when its an optional/private school.
 
2014-03-25 05:38:49 PM  

bratface: I'm curious, does the 'no shaved heads' pertain to the boys too?


I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say that the policy was probably written with boys in mind.
 
2014-03-25 05:42:28 PM  

derpy: The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.


Hmmm:

"Gentlemen's Hair: ..., but no shaved heads "

I guess that could be taken to mean gentlemen are allowed shaved heads?
 
2014-03-25 06:32:51 PM  

IRQ12: derpy: The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.

Hmmm:

"Gentlemen's Hair: ..., but no shaved heads "

I guess that could be taken to mean gentlemen are allowed shaved heads?


So then your response to me is wrong? Tried to access the link, the site is 'farked'.
 
2014-03-25 06:47:35 PM  

bratface: IRQ12: derpy: The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.

Hmmm:

"Gentlemen's Hair: ..., but no shaved heads "

I guess that could be taken to mean gentlemen are allowed shaved heads?

So then your response to me is wrong? Tried to access the link, the site is 'farked'.


No it clearly states they are not allowed for both.  I don't know why 'derpy' would take the time to find the actual rules and then directly contradict them.
 
2014-03-25 06:49:42 PM  

Syrrh: Rules are rules, and yeah she should have checked the school code and/or spoken to an administrator about it first. So the kid learns about following rules, even if they're BS.

There's another lesson to be learned here though, about the court of public opinion. How you can get your way even if you're in the wrong, but first you have to get punished a little. Throw a good enough public backlash at the school, and they'll change their tune and amend those rules to say 'unless approved by faculty' so everyone can save face.


Rules are rules, huh?  Try this one on for size, then:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How about that one?  I'd say the school broke that one with their "school code" and therefore the school's stupid little rule is illegal.  And no, it's NOT a private school.  It's a public school, it receives federal money.  And what does the SCOTUS say about that?

"It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."

And before you try to claim a haircut isn't speech, that line from Tinker v. Des Moines is referring to students wearing armbands.  If an armband can be speech, a haircut can be speech.
 
2014-03-25 07:47:22 PM  

suburbanguy: SpectroBoy: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

That is true. But the policy also allows for special cases and the teacher who didn't IMMEDIATELY understand that this was a special case is a shiatty teacher.

*Sigh*

WHAT IS CAPROCK?
CAPROCK ACADEMY IS A PUBLIC, TUITION-FREE CHARTER SCHOOL.  CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ONE OF THE OPTIONS COLORADO OFFERS FAMILIEES UNDER THE SCHOOLS OF CHOICE STATUES.


It is not a public school.  Caprock Academy does not have to accept neighborhood children like a public school does.  Students apply to go there.  If someone does not agree with their rules they may go instead to a public school or different charter school that does not have such rules.

The difference that matters in this case is the matter of choice.  This student chose that school and the rules that go with it over another school.  The student was not compelled to attend that school and adhere to its rules.
 
2014-03-25 09:18:46 PM  

Frederick: suburbanguy: SpectroBoy: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

That is true. But the policy also allows for special cases and the teacher who didn't IMMEDIATELY understand that this was a special case is a shiatty teacher.

*Sigh*

WHAT IS CAPROCK?
CAPROCK ACADEMY IS A PUBLIC, TUITION-FREE CHARTER SCHOOL.  CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ONE OF THE OPTIONS COLORADO OFFERS FAMILIEES UNDER THE SCHOOLS OF CHOICE STATUES.

It is not a public school.  Caprock Academy does not have to accept neighborhood children like a public school does.  Students apply to go there.  If someone does not agree with their rules they may go instead to a public school or different charter school that does not have such rules.

The difference that matters in this case is the matter of choice.  This student chose that school and the rules that go with it over another school.  The student was not compelled to attend that school and adhere to its rules.


The public funding does make a difference. Just because a contract states X doesn't mean its enforceable if it violates rights.
 
2014-03-26 06:57:20 AM  

Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.


So the school easily has room to not be dicks here, but they're going the dick route gotcha.
 
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