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(9 News)   School won't let 11-year-old girl back to school because she violated the school's dress code policy by: A) wearing a t-shirt with a bad word, B) wearing shorts that revealed her underwear or C) shaving her head to support her friend with cancer   (9news.com) divider line 130
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2014-03-25 01:58:24 AM  
It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.
 
2014-03-25 07:40:01 AM  
Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta
 
2014-03-25 07:41:36 AM  
There's only so many jobs out there for school administrators in the country. Seems the rest of the personality type become serial killers and child-abductors.
 
2014-03-25 07:41:42 AM  
We are used to colored hair and weird styles, but this should not be a problem.  The whole staff at that school need to be sent to roll around in lice infested hay.
 
2014-03-25 07:43:22 AM  
Really need to make it legal to dick-punch idiots.
 
2014-03-25 07:43:45 AM  

Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.


As it turns out, not so much.  100% public-funded charter school.  Which makes me find their crap a lot more in the wrong.
 
2014-03-25 07:44:04 AM  
At the start of every school year they send home a packet of information and forms you need to read, fill out and sign. One of those will be the schools official code of conduct. Those rules apply to your little snowflake just as much as all the other kids in that school, and nowhere in there does it say those rules can be broken if you think you have a spiffy reason to do so.
 
2014-03-25 07:45:39 AM  

Lawnchair: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

As it turns out, not so much.  100% public-funded charter school.  Which makes me find their crap a lot more in the wrong.


Well there's yer problem. They get to pretend they're private while we fund them.
 
2014-03-25 07:45:59 AM  
They'd best not have any staff with bald heads.
 
2014-03-25 07:49:54 AM  

namegoeshere: They'd best not have any staff with bald heads.


Or balding. That's an infraction waiting to happen.
 
2014-03-25 07:51:25 AM  

ReapTheChaos: At the start of every school year they send home a packet of information and forms you need to read, fill out and sign. One of those will be the schools official code of conduct. Those rules apply to your little snowflake just as much as all the other kids in that school, and nowhere in there does it say those rules can be broken if you think you have a spiffy reason to do so.


7/10
 
2014-03-25 07:52:04 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: namegoeshere: They'd best not have any staff with bald heads.

Or balding. That's an infraction waiting to happen.



Or undergoing chemo
 
2014-03-25 07:52:07 AM  
nice life lesson for the kid.

Thare's no way in hell that this kind of utter stupidity sould be allowed to happen imean that the school has rules, and your supposed to follow the rules, it's like life; the rules for adults are called LAWS, which means that you can go to JAIL if you break the rules.

Little shiatstain just done got learned a lesson (in school, to, how ironic!!)

/let are kids walk
 
2014-03-25 07:53:17 AM  
Considering what the school seems to be about from a quick google search. It does not surprise me that there was a dress code that included hair requirements.

I think that perhaps if the mother called ahead and explained the situation, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

The problem is this girl walked into school with a shaved head, teachers are going to think she's trying to be rebellious and distracting (which is usually why kids in school shave their head or wear shirts they have to turn inside out because of whats printed on them).

If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?
 
2014-03-25 07:53:52 AM  

kertus: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: namegoeshere: They'd best not have any staff with bald heads.

Or balding. That's an infraction waiting to happen.


Or undergoing chemo


Well technically none of this involves shaving. The policy is against shaved heads, not bald ones.
 
2014-03-25 07:54:31 AM  

TV's Vinnie: There's only so many jobs out there for school administrators in the country. Seems the rest of the personality type become serial killers and child-abductors.


You do realize that a good 90% of school administrators were teachers correct.  It goes Teaching- Vice Principal - Principal - Assistant Super - Superintendant.  Now you can skip a few of those steps if you are good or you know people but that is the normal progression.

Plus like said above this is a charter school which is the largest scam in the US right now.  They get public funding but are not held to the same standards and can pay people crap wages and pocket the rest for the people in charge.
 
2014-03-25 07:54:35 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta


Now that you say it, that might be part of the problem. If she can't come in, she can't spead head lice.

However, every time you hear a story like this you can rest assured that somewhere, some time, someone did something stupid to ruin this for everyone. Like Nazis.
 
2014-03-25 07:54:35 AM  
answers should be a) wearing b) wearing c) shaving
 
2014-03-25 07:54:36 AM  
This is a good lesson for the kid. Her life is going to be full of petty tyrants, best she learns how to deal with them now.
 
2014-03-25 07:54:51 AM  
I wonder what would happen if EVERY kid in the school shaved their head?

At the very least... It would make for another 'dead poet society' movie.
 
2014-03-25 07:55:29 AM  
That's what you get for having friends.
 
2014-03-25 07:58:14 AM  

fluffy2097: Considering what the school seems to be about from a quick google search. It does not surprise me that there was a dress code that included hair requirements.

I think that perhaps if the mother called ahead and explained the situation, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

The problem is this girl walked into school with a shaved head, teachers are going to think she's trying to be rebellious and distracting (which is usually why kids in school shave their head or wear shirts they have to turn inside out because of whats printed on them).

If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?


Considering how fussy girls are about their hair, I would assume she was the one with cancer.
 
2014-03-25 07:59:42 AM  

fluffy2097: If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?


Actually, at that age, I'd probably assume that this girl has cancer, or had it.
 
2014-03-25 08:02:04 AM  

ReapTheChaos: At the start of every school year they send home a packet of information and forms you need to read, fill out and sign. One of those will be the schools official code of conduct. Those rules apply to your little snowflake just as much as all the other kids in that school, and nowhere in there does it say those rules can be broken if you think you have a spiffy reason to do so.


Is that sort of like the TOS for a website or a EULA when you install software that nobody reads (except maybe a few lawyers) and just check "Okay"?  (and may or may not be legally enforceable).

If the kids can get used to the missing hair from the cancer patient they can get used to someone expressing their empathy for her by shaving off her hair.

This is stupid.  And Grand Junction is closer to Utah than it is to Colorado even if it technically might be in Colorado.

Disapproves:

dejareviewer.files.wordpress.com

Also disapproves:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-25 08:02:53 AM  

fluffy2097: Considering what the school seems to be about from a quick google search. It does not surprise me that there was a dress code that included hair requirements.

I think that perhaps if the mother called ahead and explained the situation, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

The problem is this girl walked into school with a shaved head, teachers are going to think she's trying to be rebellious and distracting (which is usually why kids in school shave their head or wear shirts they have to turn inside out because of whats printed on them).

If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?


I'd assume that before an 11 year old girl wants to be a skin head, esp. given the cancer kid is in the same school.
 
2014-03-25 08:03:16 AM  

mike_d85: Sass-O-Rev: Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta

Now that you say it, that might be part of the problem. If she can't come in, she can't spead head lice.

However, every time you hear a story like this you can rest assured that somewhere, some time, someone did something stupid to ruin this for everyone. Like Nazis.


Aaaannd Godwin.

Though, I would love to see parents all shave their heads in solidarity.

/not snark, I would actually be impressed
 
2014-03-25 08:03:18 AM  

fluffy2097: If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?


If one of the other pupils, who is her friend, actually has cancer, maybe I'd question the girl as to her, y'know, motives behind the headshave.

Questions gett answers. Y'know: 'enquire before you fire', and all that jazz.

You do like jazz, right?
 
2014-03-25 08:03:24 AM  
Delaney and her mom are hoping the school will change its mind and make an exception

You already made the correct first step contacting the media, now call a lawyer.
 
2014-03-25 08:07:42 AM  
Bend those petty little school administrators to your will.
 
2014-03-25 08:09:10 AM  
BTW, the guide book I see online doesn't give any clear definition of 'shaved' (1/4" or whatever), or that female hair has to be over X inches.  So, I'd let it grow to 1 day's worth of peach-fuzz then say, pffth.  I think my own 'f the man' parents would have enjoyed that fight.

/ thanks God I was well out of school before Columbine, NCLB, charter-scams, and really the whole last 15 years of education.
 
2014-03-25 08:10:35 AM  
I can understand the rule because it's a school, the kids are there to learn and a little girl with a shaved head would be a huge distraction.

But there's a good way to handle it:
Let her shave her head (awesome little girl)
Have an assembly in the gym
Let her explain why she did it
Take question
Back to class
Learning lesson for everybody, and now it's much less distracting
 
2014-03-25 08:11:20 AM  

kertus: I wonder what would happen if EVERY kid in the school shaved their head?

At the very least... It would make for another 'dead poet society' movie.


/Was thinking the same thing. If every kid (or most of them) shaved their head, what would they do? Kick everyone out? Hard to collect revenue that way. Nice gesture btw. Good kid.
 
2014-03-25 08:12:55 AM  

gfid: Is that sort of like the TOS for a website or a EULA when you install software that nobody reads (except maybe a few lawyers) and just check "Okay"?  (and may or may not be legally enforceable).


No, it's not. It's a pamphlet usually a dozen or so pages long written in plain language describing the rules. Pretty simple to read.
 
2014-03-25 08:13:10 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Learning lesson for everybody, and now it's much less distracting


Then EVERYBODY will shave their heads.

Except that one kid with pig tails.
SHE's now a distraction.

To the Dunking stool!
Burn Her!

Seriously. Kids do stuff.
Sounds like the school needs a new shopvac to pull the sand out of all the "nooks and crannies"
 
2014-03-25 08:15:38 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: I can understand the rule because it's a school, the kids are there to learn and a little girl with a shaved head would be a huge distraction.

But there's a good way to handle it:
Let her shave her head (awesome little girl)
Have an assembly in the gym
Let her explain why she did it
Take question
Back to class
Learning lesson for everybody, and now it's much less distracting


She's 11, not 5. This is such a non-issue.
 
2014-03-25 08:15:51 AM  
And as an addendum to my earlier post in this thread, here are a couple of lines from the first song on the Hair soundtrack

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding


(does not apply on the Western Slope)
 
2014-03-25 08:17:11 AM  

fluffy2097: Considering what the school seems to be about from a quick google search. It does not surprise me that there was a dress code that included hair requirements.

I think that perhaps if the mother called ahead and explained the situation, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

The problem is this girl walked into school with a shaved head, teachers are going to think she's trying to be rebellious and distracting (which is usually why kids in school shave their head or wear shirts they have to turn inside out because of whats printed on them).

If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?


No, I'd reflexively think she's becoming a skinhead and is planning to get ahold of a bunch of guns and pipe bombs to conduct an all-out war on the school and reach a triple digit body count.

/sarcasm
 
2014-03-25 08:17:43 AM  
You Americans are a bunch of retards that wouldn't recognize common sense nor compassion if it farked you in the ass.
 
2014-03-25 08:18:28 AM  
I sort of question that a dress code violation merits suspension, and suspect that this was the last straw in a long line of probably well-documented behavior TFA's choosing to ignore in favor of trying to milk the outrage or whatever.

The usual solution to a student violating the dress code via hair is "here's your ball cap, kid" in the same way they'll just make you wear an ugly tee-shirt from the counselor's file cabinet if you show up with a bare midriff or whatever.
 
2014-03-25 08:19:36 AM  

Orion5k: mike_d85: Sass-O-Rev: Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta

Now that you say it, that might be part of the problem. If she can't come in, she can't spead head lice.

However, every time you hear a story like this you can rest assured that somewhere, some time, someone did something stupid to ruin this for everyone. Like Nazis.

Aaaannd Godwin.

Though, I would love to see parents all shave their heads in solidarity.

/not snark, I would actually be impressed


I agree on the solidarity.

But come on, a school dress code involving shaving heads?  the skinhead connection was bound to be made, plus tyranny.  It was gonna happen.
 
2014-03-25 08:21:37 AM  

pippi longstocking: You Americans are a bunch of retards that wouldn't recognize common sense nor compassion if it farked you in the ass.


We still run the planet though.
 
2014-03-25 08:21:52 AM  
Conformity is more important than empathy. How else will children learn to become good worker drones?
 
2014-03-25 08:22:04 AM  

Lawnchair: BTW, the guide book I see online doesn't give any clear definition of 'shaved' (1/4" or whatever), or that female hair has to be over X inches.  So, I'd let it grow to 1 day's worth of peach-fuzz then say, pffth.  I think my own 'f the man' parents would have enjoyed that fight.

/ thanks God I was well out of school before Columbine, NCLB, charter-scams, and really the whole last 15 years of education.


This year makes 12 after high school for me. I didn't dodge Columbine, but I did dodge NCLB. Thankful every day for avoiding that morass.
 
2014-03-25 08:22:11 AM  
Big farking deal. So the crotchfruit gets a couple days off from school. It's not like they tied her to the tether ball post and played whack a baldo.
 
2014-03-25 08:24:05 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Conformity is more important than empathy. How else will children learn to become good worker drones?


It pretty much states that in the guidelines mentioned in the article. And it's a charter, so this woman opted her kid in to this.
 
2014-03-25 08:28:02 AM  

fluffy2097: Considering what the school seems to be about from a quick google search. It does not surprise me that there was a dress code that included hair requirements.

I think that perhaps if the mother called ahead and explained the situation, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

The problem is this girl walked into school with a shaved head, teachers are going to think she's trying to be rebellious and distracting (which is usually why kids in school shave their head or wear shirts they have to turn inside out because of whats printed on them).

If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?



An 11 year old girl? I'd be much more likely to think some sort of accident or medical condition was the reason for the head-shaving than "rebellious youth."
Then I'd do something completely crazy: I'd ask her why.
 
2014-03-25 08:28:30 AM  

Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-25 08:29:21 AM  
Between the teachers who can't come to grips that they are no longer in school themselves, those that molest their students, and those with power trips to enforce rules like this, no wonder your kids are farked up.
 
2014-03-25 08:29:22 AM  

Yaw String: Big farking deal. So the crotchfruit gets a couple days off from school. It's not like they tied her to the tether ball post and played whack a baldo.


Could be months depending on how long girls are supposed to wear their hair.

/Tried a charter school for a few days once many a year ago.
//I had to get a haircut, pants, shoes, and shirt.
 
2014-03-25 08:29:34 AM  
Caprock Academy does have a detailed dress code policy, which was created to promote safety, uniformity, and a non-distracting environment for the school's students.

cdn.uproxx.com

"She's supposed to have hair.....but she doesn't!!!!!! ANARCHY!!!!!"
 
2014-03-25 08:29:44 AM  

redmid17: GrizzlyPouch: I can understand the rule because it's a school, the kids are there to learn and a little girl with a shaved head would be a huge distraction.

But there's a good way to handle it:
Let her shave her head (awesome little girl)
Have an assembly in the gym
Let her explain why she did it
Take question
Back to class
Learning lesson for everybody, and now it's much less distracting

She's 11, not 5. This is such a non-issue.


If you don't think an 11 yr old girl with a shaved head is distracting to a bunch of other 11 yr olds I can't help you.

The kids are understandably curious. Eliminate the "mystery" for them and the distraction goes away
 
2014-03-25 08:29:55 AM  
Again subby, and for everyone else who keeps submitting these "I broke a policy to show solidarity with a sick friend" stories and shouldn't have to face the consequences:  PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Non-story.
 
2014-03-25 08:30:12 AM  

give me doughnuts: Then I'd do something completely crazy: I'd ask her why.


I see you don't understand how charter school works.
 
2014-03-25 08:32:24 AM  

fluffy2097: Yaw String: Big farking deal. So the crotchfruit gets a couple days off from school. It's not like they tied her to the tether ball post and played whack a baldo.

Could be months depending on how long girls are supposed to wear their hair.

/Tried a charter school for a few days once many a year ago.
//I had to get a haircut, pants, shoes, and shirt.


Read the article fluffy. Specifically the last paragraph.
 
2014-03-25 08:32:41 AM  

Yaw String: Big farking deal. So the crotchfruit gets a couple days off from school. It's not like they tied her to the tether ball post and played whack a baldo.


When I joined Fark I believed everyone here were intelligent, understanding, reasonable folks.  But I guess in every crowd there are a few a-holes.
 
2014-03-25 08:33:15 AM  

GDubDub: Again subby, and for everyone else who keeps submitting these "I broke a policy to show solidarity with a sick friend" stories and shouldn't have to face the consequences:  PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Non-story.


Oops, someone above posted that it was a publicly funded charter school.  That said, still a non-story.
 
2014-03-25 08:35:46 AM  

RepoManTSM: I'd assume that before an 11 year old girl wants to be a skin head, esp. given the cancer kid is in the same school.


I, too, would assume she was a little Nazi biatch.  I mean, it's the only logical explanation.  They should expel her.
 
2014-03-25 08:36:19 AM  
The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.
 
2014-03-25 08:37:34 AM  

amindtat: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

[i.imgur.com image 600x570]


You couldn't make it 5 more posts down?...

Lawnchair: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

As it turns out, not so much.  100% public-funded charter school.  Which makes me find their crap a lot more in the wrong.
 
2014-03-25 08:40:36 AM  
So she made the drapes match the carpet.  What's the big deal?
 
2014-03-25 08:42:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Lawnchair: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

As it turns out, not so much.  100% public-funded charter school.  Which makes me find their crap a lot more in the wrong.

Well there's yer problem. They get to pretend they're private while we fund them.


The administration are a bunch of d!cks.  If a-holes could fly, Caprock Academy in Grand Junction would be an airport.
 
2014-03-25 08:42:07 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I sort of question that a dress code violation merits suspension, and suspect that this was the last straw in a long line of probably well-documented behavior TFA's choosing to ignore in favor of trying to milk the outrage or whatever.

The usual solution to a student violating the dress code via hair is "here's your ball cap, kid" in the same way they'll just make you wear an ugly tee-shirt from the counselor's file cabinet if you show up with a bare midriff or whatever.


Yeah, tell her to grow her hair back and come back to school when she does.  Deny her an education until then.  I know sometimes news stories can be misleading, but they are apparently best friends and the girl with cancer was seemingly very happy that someone sympathized with her.

She's a real rebel, isn't she?  Maybe we need more rebels like that.  If they can get used to a kid with cancer who lost her hair, maybe they can accept her best friend too.

Kids will get distracted over anything if you let them,.

I went to a school that required uniforms for a while.  That didn't stop the problems it was supposed to solve. Nobody lost their hair from cancer treatments, but I think this would have been accepted there.

Think of the impact to the girl with cancer.  It just would make her feel that much different - as if all the other kids could laugh and stare and make jokes because she was different rather than accepting that it's not so bad to not have hair.

You know what's more distracting than someone looking "different"?   It's adults making an issue out of how they look different and telling other kids not to look like her.

You sound like a school administrator.
 
2014-03-25 08:43:22 AM  

kertus: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: namegoeshere: They'd best not have any staff with bald heads.

Or balding. That's an infraction waiting to happen.

Or undergoing chemo


Cancer is a violation of the school code.  If we make an exception for your snowflake, soon all the kids will be coming to school with malignancies.  Sorry, we have a zero tolerance policy.

Suspension!
 
2014-03-25 08:44:19 AM  

GDubDub: Again subby, and for everyone else who keeps submitting these "I broke a policy to show solidarity with a sick friend" stories and shouldn't have to face the consequences:  PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Non-story.


Again, GDubDub, and for everyone else who can't google the school in the story or read the thread comments...

WHAT IS CAPROCK?
CAPROCK ACADEMY IS A PUBLIC, TUITION-FREE CHARTER SCHOOL.  CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ONE OF THE OPTIONS COLORADO OFFERS FAMILIEES UNDER THE SCHOOLS OF CHOICE STATUES.
 
2014-03-25 08:47:28 AM  
a question... so no boys in the school have shaved heads either?  will that distract the boys, too, because it seems that everything distracts boys.  maybe they should focus on that instead of protecting these precious little boys who are so fragile that unless everyone is 100% totally normal and properly clothed for their gender, age, race, etc, they are completely unable to learn.

/but don't forget, girls are the weaker sex
//never forget, we will never let you forget
 
2014-03-25 08:54:06 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: I can understand the rule because it's a school, the kids are there to learn and a little girl with a shaved head would be a huge distraction.

But there's a good way to handle it:
Let her shave her head (awesome little girl)
Have an assembly in the gym
Let her explain why she did it
Take question
Back to class
Learning lesson for everybody, and now it's much less distracting


This and a half.

Except I can't even understand why somebody else's hair style choice would be deemed an unacceptable distraction. Even if she shaved her head just for grins and giggles, so the fark what? It's just a bald head, not a second one.
 
2014-03-25 08:55:19 AM  

GDubDub: Again subby, and for everyone else who keeps submitting these "I broke a policy to show solidarity with a sick friend" stories and shouldn't have to face the consequences:  PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Non-story.


It's NOT a private school.  It's a "charter school" funded with public money.
 
2014-03-25 08:56:19 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: redmid17: GrizzlyPouch: I can understand the rule because it's a school, the kids are there to learn and a little girl with a shaved head would be a huge distraction.

But there's a good way to handle it:
Let her shave her head (awesome little girl)
Have an assembly in the gym
Let her explain why she did it
Take question
Back to class
Learning lesson for everybody, and now it's much less distracting

She's 11, not 5. This is such a non-issue.

If you don't think an 11 yr old girl with a shaved head is distracting to a bunch of other 11 yr olds I can't help you.

The kids are understandably curious. Eliminate the "mystery" for them and the distraction goes away


Yeah it causes a distraction for maybe 10 minutes the first day. BFD. I'd be slightly more sympathetic if she came in with a mohawk in 7 different colors. By suspending the girl, they made it 10x more distracting for all the students. Now they have something concrete to gossip over: how overreactive and stupid the administration is.

The fact that boys can shave their heads but not girls is hogwash. There is usually a tangible reason for dress codes in school. I don't really have an issue with those. A shaved head is not something noteworthy.
 
2014-03-25 09:01:54 AM  
It always surprises me how few schools in the US seem to have uniforms. When I went in the UK, we had to wear black trousers, a white shirt, black shoes, the school tie, a black sweater was permissible when it was cold and a blazer. During sports it was red for winter sports, with white shorts, or all white for summer sports. No makeup was allowed, no perfume, haircut had to be fairly decent, all the way from age 6-16 when we finish school.
 
2014-03-25 09:04:51 AM  

gfid: And as an addendum to my earlier post in this thread, here are a couple of lines from the first song on the Hair soundtrack

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding

(does not apply on the Western Slope)


♪ ♫This is the dawning of the age of asparagus, the age of a-spera-gus!♫ ♪  ;)
 
2014-03-25 09:05:14 AM  

TNel: TV's Vinnie: There's only so many jobs out there for school administrators in the country. Seems the rest of the personality type become serial killers and child-abductors.

You do realize that a good 90% of school administrators were teachers correct.  It goes Teaching- Vice Principal - Principal - Assistant Super - Superintendant.  Now you can skip a few of those steps if you are good or you know people but that is the normal progression.

Plus like said above this is a charter school which is the largest scam in the US right now.  They get public funding but are not held to the same standards and can pay people crap wages and pocket the rest for the people in charge.


Those that can, do.  Those that can't, teach.  If they can't do that either they are a school administrators.
 
2014-03-25 09:06:00 AM  
Really?  I mean, I know it's Fark, but really?

What is the deal with people?  Seriously.  I mean, come on.

It's like....come on.
 
2014-03-25 09:06:24 AM  

Cold_Sassy: gfid: And as an addendum to my earlier post in this thread, here are a couple of lines from the first song on the Hair soundtrack

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding

(does not apply on the Western Slope)

♪ ♫This is the dawning of the age of asparagus, the age of a-spera-gus!♫ ♪  ;)


A-spara-gus, dammit!
 
2014-03-25 09:09:03 AM  

fluffy2097: Considering what the school seems to be about from a quick google search. It does not surprise me that there was a dress code that included hair requirements.

I think that perhaps if the mother called ahead and explained the situation, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

The problem is this girl walked into school with a shaved head, teachers are going to think she's trying to be rebellious and distracting (which is usually why kids in school shave their head or wear shirts they have to turn inside out because of whats printed on them).

If you saw a kid at a private school suddenly come in one day with a shaved head, you wouldn't think "Oh, one of her friends must have gotten cancer!" would you?


No but I wouldn't shiat myself in rage and ban them from the school either.
 
2014-03-25 09:10:02 AM  
Jonnya and Redmid17, not a distraction?

10 and 11 year olds lose their minds when something is out of the ordinary. Then by next week their forming little groups half with shaved heads half with wigs down to their feet.

There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

Adults can barely handle it when something is off. Don't believe me? Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it
 
2014-03-25 09:13:13 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta


Hm, I wonder if you've ever treated head lice.
 
2014-03-25 09:14:44 AM  

redmid17: ReapTheChaos: At the start of every school year they send home a packet of information and forms you need to read, fill out and sign. One of those will be the schools official code of conduct. Those rules apply to your little snowflake just as much as all the other kids in that school, and nowhere in there does it say those rules can be broken if you think you have a spiffy reason to do so.

7/10


I doubt he's trolling. But if he is, his point is valid nonetheless.
 
2014-03-25 09:19:47 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: not a distraction?


well it certainly is a distraction now
 
2014-03-25 09:19:53 AM  

Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.


That is true. But the policy also allows for special cases and the teacher who didn't IMMEDIATELY understand that this was a special case is a shiatty teacher.
 
2014-03-25 09:21:31 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta


I wonder if she had cancer and lost her hair from the chemo, whether that would have gotten her kicked out.
 
2014-03-25 09:21:35 AM  

pippi longstocking: You Americans are a bunch of retards that wouldn't recognize common sense nor compassion if it farked you in the ass.


It must be nice to come from a country where nobody has ever done something dumb ever.

Please tell us where this paragon of perfection is.
 
2014-03-25 09:22:39 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: pippi longstocking: You Americans are a bunch of retards that wouldn't recognize common sense nor compassion if it farked you in the ass.

We still run the planet though.


Exactly.

pippi: How does it feel to be inferior to such an inferior country?
 
2014-03-25 09:25:50 AM  
According to the school's handbook, it says, "No shaved heads." for both genders. So, the easy answer to get around that is that the parents tell the school, "It's not shaved, we used Nair." or "It's not shaved, we waxed it." or "It's not shaved, we used electrolysis."

Interestingly, nowhere in the article does it say they suspended her friend who obviously shaved her head once her hair started to fall out from the chemo.
 
2014-03-25 09:26:24 AM  

TNel: TV's Vinnie: There's only so many jobs out there for school administrators in the country. Seems the rest of the personality type become serial killers and child-abductors.

You do realize that a good 90% of school administrators were teachers correct.  It goes Teaching- Vice Principal - Principal - Assistant Super - Superintendant.  Now you can skip a few of those steps if you are good or you know people but that is the normal progression.

Plus like said above this is a charter school which is the largest scam in the US right now.  They get public funding but are not held to the same standards and can pay people crap wages and pocket the rest for the people in charge.


Really? Because they give degrees for school administration separately from education. Which tells me that they want "professional" administration.
 
2014-03-25 09:26:39 AM  
so do they say what length girls' hair has to be?  do they say what style?  hair products or no? and if so, what brand?
 
2014-03-25 09:28:04 AM  

derpy: The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.


Pg 3 wasn't scary, just pretentious.  I like the sentiment behind their structure, I just wish it wasn't socially moronic.  The only society influencing the united states is a western society!
 
2014-03-25 09:28:07 AM  

SpectroBoy: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

That is true. But the policy also allows for special cases and the teacher who didn't IMMEDIATELY understand that this was a special case is a shiatty teacher.


*Sigh*

WHAT IS CAPROCK?
CAPROCK ACADEMY IS A PUBLIC, TUITION-FREE CHARTER SCHOOL.  CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ONE OF THE OPTIONS COLORADO OFFERS FAMILIEES UNDER THE SCHOOLS OF CHOICE STATUES.
 
2014-03-25 09:29:33 AM  

SpectroBoy: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

That is true. But the policy also allows for special cases and the teacher who didn't IMMEDIATELY understand that this was a special case is a shiatty teacher.


http://caprockacademy.org/what-is-caprock/
 
2014-03-25 09:29:35 AM  

SpectroBoy: HotWingConspiracy: pippi longstocking: You Americans are a bunch of retards that wouldn't recognize common sense nor compassion if it farked you in the ass.

We still run the planet though.

Exactly.

pippi: How does it feel to be inferior to such an inferior country?


"America.  It's so lonely at the top"

/we are an evil, stupid country
//until you need us for something
 
2014-03-25 09:30:28 AM  
Charter schools are public schools that have their own boards of directors and can make their own rules about student conduct and speech. They are totally allowed to infringe on their students' constitutional rights because of their quasi-private yet public tax-funded status.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-03-25 09:30:54 AM  
We can blame school administrators and school boards for stupidity like this, but WE are the ones who made them that way. If they let this child shave her head, some other parent would sue (or, at the very least, raise holy hell at the next school board meeting) because their little snowflake is upset that an exception was made for someone other than themselves. We DEMAND that every child be treated exactly the same, regardless of the situation or the child. In order to avoid dealing with lawyers and/or angry parents every day of the week, schools adopt overly rigid policies that are enforced without thought or consideration. In most cases, it's not that school administrators CHOOSE to not use their own discretion, they are flat-out forbidden to do so. So thank a helicopter parent or an overly litigious asswipe every time you see some ridiculous "zero tolerance" policy in action. The schools are simply reacting to the reality of the world around them and trying to keep from being sued into oblivion or harassed to the point where eating a bullet sounds like a good idea.
 
2014-03-25 09:33:21 AM  
Rules are rules, and yeah she should have checked the school code and/or spoken to an administrator about it first. So the kid learns about following rules, even if they're BS.

There's another lesson to be learned here though, about the court of public opinion. How you can get your way even if you're in the wrong, but first you have to get punished a little. Throw a good enough public backlash at the school, and they'll change their tune and amend those rules to say 'unless approved by faculty' so everyone can save face.
 
2014-03-25 09:33:25 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Jonnya and Redmid17, not a distraction?

10 and 11 year olds lose their minds when something is out of the ordinary. Then by next week their forming little groups half with shaved heads half with wigs down to their feet.

There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

Adults can barely handle it when something is off. Don't believe me? Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it


They "lose their mind" for about 10 minutes. I remember being 11 and it was probably less time ago than you. This should not even be an issue. The teacher could have taken 5 minutes to let her explain why she shaved her head. If shaved heads were a big deal, the school wouldn't let boys have them. They do, because it's not a big deal.

The school blew this way out of proportion and look like idiots for doing so.
 
2014-03-25 09:38:31 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

... Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it


1 - The high school thing wasn't an organized event.  It wasn't even a support group.  I paid attention because it was in a neighborhood I used to live in in MA.  Turns out that schools with crappy sex ed programs and loose teen girls have high populations of knocked up chicks.  Also, they didn't all have the same father.  They did blood testing and found different daddies because of the stupid rumors floating around.  The girls just didn't want to rat out the fathers.

2 - Your gas cap is covered for several reasons.  Aerodynamics, aesthetics, protecting the vehicle's parts and even safety.  They are telling you for your own good.  Like when your shoes are untied.  You might trip or possibly lose a shoe.
 
2014-03-25 09:39:42 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Jonnya and Redmid17, not a distraction?

10 and 11 year olds lose their minds when something is out of the ordinary. Then by next week their forming little groups half with shaved heads half with wigs down to their feet.

There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

Adults can barely handle it when something is off. Don't believe me? Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it


Griz! It's a question of perspective. One 11 y/o with a bald head < massive teen pregnancy. And kids/people faction over anything, sports, music, TV shows, fashion- that's part of socialization. Should schools ban all reference to those as well? I don't see it as a distraction and I don't see why this girl's personal choice to cut her hair really short would make the rest of her schoolmates sit there agape for days on end.  I think somebody up thread put it best- the distraction would be like a 10 minute deal. The novelty would wear off- as it should, because it's just a hair cut.

I haven't driven in years, but so what about the missing gas cap? Do the motorist who see a missing gas cap need to pull over and collect themselves? Does the challenge to their sense of social norm really prevent them from reaching their destinations? Come on.


I think your idea was the best solution for all mindsets. Address it directly- an opportunity for the whole school to learn the realities of cancer, as well as compassion and solidarity. Best case scenario.
 
2014-03-25 09:59:59 AM  
And, as usual, everybody missed the end of TFA:

Caprock Academy also said in their statement that sometimes exceptions can be made to the dress code policy under extraordinary circumstances.

Kamryn's mother tells 9NEWS that the school headmaster told her Kamryn will be allowed to return to school Tuesday.The school's board of directors plans to meet Tuesday evening to discuss this situation and the policy.


hymiesrecords.com
 
2014-03-25 10:00:25 AM  

mod3072: We can blame school administrators and school boards for stupidity like this, but WE are the ones who made them that way. If they let this child shave her head, some other parent would sue (or, at the very least, raise holy hell at the next school board meeting) because their little snowflake is upset that an exception was made for someone other than themselves. We DEMAND that every child be treated exactly the same, regardless of the situation or the child. In order to avoid dealing with lawyers and/or angry parents every day of the week, schools adopt overly rigid policies that are enforced without thought or consideration. In most cases, it's not that school administrators CHOOSE to not use their own discretion, they are flat-out forbidden to do so. So thank a helicopter parent or an overly litigious asswipe every time you see some ridiculous "zero tolerance" policy in action. The schools are simply reacting to the reality of the world around them and trying to keep from being sued into oblivion or harassed to the point where eating a bullet sounds like a good idea.


Um, not that I'm a parent or anything, but I wouldn't demand this. That's insane. There was a girl in my third grade class who had leukemia and had shaved her head bare. Nobody suggested suspending her because of that.
 
2014-03-25 10:15:00 AM  

jonnya: GrizzlyPouch: Jonnya and Redmid17, not a distraction?

10 and 11 year olds lose their minds when something is out of the ordinary. Then by next week their forming little groups half with shaved heads half with wigs down to their feet.

There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

Adults can barely handle it when something is off. Don't believe me? Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it

Griz! It's a question of perspective. One 11 y/o with a bald head < massive teen pregnancy. And kids/people faction over anything, sports, music, TV shows, fashion- that's part of socialization. Should schools ban all reference to those as well? I don't see it as a distraction and I don't see why this girl's personal choice to cut her hair really short would make the rest of her schoolmates sit there agape for days on end.  I think somebody up thread put it best- the distraction would be like a 10 minute deal. The novelty would wear off- as it should, because it's just a hair cut.

I haven't driven in years, but so what about the missing gas cap? Do the motorist who see a missing gas cap need to pull over and collect themselves? Does the challenge to their sense of social norm really prevent them from reaching their destinations? Come on.

I think your idea was the best solution for all mindsets. Address it directly- an opportunity for the whole school to learn the realities of cancer, as well as compassion and solidarity. Best case scenario.


Agreed. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "oh they'll get over it in 10 minutes" is a worse idea than suspending (although that's still a terrible way to handle it even if better than ignoring it and hoping it goes away)
 
2014-03-25 10:15:36 AM  

BolloxReader: Really? Because they give degrees for school administration separately from education. Which tells me that they want "professional" administration.


Yes really.  Teachers have to take more classes to become a principal which is what you are seeing but every principal is a teacher first.  Super Intendants can be non-teachers but it's rare schools like to have people that know how schools work from the inside than someone on the outside.  Schools can't be ran like a business and that's why School Boards rarely work.  You have outside people making decisions that they really don't have enough information to make proper decisions.
 
2014-03-25 10:18:44 AM  

redmid17: GrizzlyPouch: Jonnya and Redmid17, not a distraction?

10 and 11 year olds lose their minds when something is out of the ordinary. Then by next week their forming little groups half with shaved heads half with wigs down to their feet.

There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

Adults can barely handle it when something is off. Don't believe me? Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it

They "lose their mind" for about 10 minutes. I remember being 11 and it was probably less time ago than you. This should not even be an issue. The teacher could have taken 5 minutes to let her explain why she shaved her head. If shaved heads were a big deal, the school wouldn't let boys have them. They do, because it's not a big deal.

The school blew this way out of proportion and look like idiots for doing so.


Yeah that was my original idea which u seemed to disagree with

I had thought you were saying no big deal, just ignore it. Which I think is a terrible idea
 
2014-03-25 10:22:36 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: redmid17: GrizzlyPouch: Jonnya and Redmid17, not a distraction?

10 and 11 year olds lose their minds when something is out of the ordinary. Then by next week their forming little groups half with shaved heads half with wigs down to their feet.

There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

Adults can barely handle it when something is off. Don't believe me? Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it

They "lose their mind" for about 10 minutes. I remember being 11 and it was probably less time ago than you. This should not even be an issue. The teacher could have taken 5 minutes to let her explain why she shaved her head. If shaved heads were a big deal, the school wouldn't let boys have them. They do, because it's not a big deal.

The school blew this way out of proportion and look like idiots for doing so.

Yeah that was my original idea which u seemed to disagree with

I had thought you were saying no big deal, just ignore it. Which I think is a terrible idea


I do disagree with your original idea. You don't need a frickin' school assembly to explain it, and suspending the girl is far worse than ignoring it.
 
2014-03-25 10:27:24 AM  
I guess this ad wouldn't play well with these school administrators!

(Trivia: it was directed by the director of Dallas Buyer's Club)
 
2014-03-25 10:29:43 AM  
I'm starting to lose your process here Grizzly. Are you really saying that suspending her is a better scenario than respecting, accepting, and moving on from her choice to cut her hair?  How is getting over her baldness in 10 minutes in any way akin to burying heads in the sand? Hoping what goes away? I don't want her or her shaved head to go away. Quite the opposite....

Anyway as pointed out above, the school came to their senses and She's allowed in today. Seems like they got over it too. Took a little more than 10 minutes, but I'm glad that common sense and compassion prevailed.
 
2014-03-25 10:41:51 AM  

mike_d85: GrizzlyPouch: There was a high school a couple of years ago where like half the girls got pregnant (cause it was cool)

... Drive down the road with your gas cap open and watch how well the other drivers on the road handle it

1 - The high school thing wasn't an organized event.  It wasn't even a support group.  I paid attention because it was in a neighborhood I used to live in in MA.  Turns out that schools with crappy sex ed programs and loose teen girls have high populations of knocked up chicks.  Also, they didn't all have the same father.  They did blood testing and found different daddies because of the stupid rumors floating around.  The girls just didn't want to rat out the fathers.

2 - Your gas cap is covered for several reasons.  Aerodynamics, aesthetics, protecting the vehicle's parts and even safety.  They are telling you for your own good.  Like when your shoes are untied.  You might trip or possibly lose a shoe.


1. You wanna tell me not even 1 of those kids intentionally got pregnant because other kids were doing it? I didn't have a point about that specific situation, just about kids in general

2. Agreed. But is the possibility of that worth driving up next to the car with it open flapping your arms, pulling in front of them slowing down and waving your arms etc. My point wasn't that it isn't a valid reason to have a reaction, but that the level of reaction can be inappropriate
 
2014-03-25 10:46:33 AM  

limeyfellow: It always surprises me how few schools in the US seem to have uniforms. When I went in the UK, we had to wear black trousers, a white shirt, black shoes, the school tie, a black sweater was permissible when it was cold and a blazer. During sports it was red for winter sports, with white shorts, or all white for summer sports. No makeup was allowed, no perfume, haircut had to be fairly decent, all the way from age 6-16 when we finish school.


I also went to school in the UK. Foolishly, as a 16-year old in 1987, I had hair extensions put in. I was of course made fun of, and was the major gossiping point for a while. The school administration simply had no idea how to deal with this. No boy ever had "unnatural, synthetic hair" added. It just didn't happen in that part of the world back then. The simplest thing for the school to do was, of course, ban this activity. It took them 6 weeks to implement a rule but they did it.

/am now bald
 
2014-03-25 10:52:15 AM  

jonnya: I'm starting to lose your process here Grizzly. Are you really saying that suspending her is a better scenario than respecting, accepting, and moving on from her choice to cut her hair?  How is getting over her baldness in 10 minutes in any way akin to burying heads in the sand? Hoping what goes away? I don't want her or her shaved head to go away. Quite the opposite....

Anyway as pointed out above, the school came to their senses and She's allowed in today. Seems like they got over it too. Took a little more than 10 minutes, but I'm glad that common sense and compassion prevailed.


No. Just saying address the situation and be done with it. Don't ignore it and let it become a bigger distraction

Obviously suspending her was a bad decision also if they were trying to prevent distractions

I don't agree with the schools decision at all. I don't agree with the people who have posted its a non issue either.
 
2014-03-25 11:23:21 AM  
just have everybody else shave their head....problem solved
 
2014-03-25 11:31:58 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: I can understand the rule because it's a school, the kids are there to learn and a little girl with a shaved head would be a huge distraction.



I never liked that mealy mouthed lawyer phrase, when it comes to school policy for students.

Friggen Pokemon is a distraction. Friggen football homecoming is a distraction. The week before Xmas is a time where students didn't want to do dick-all. Last night's teen T.V. drama llama show is a distraction.

Gang symbols are a huge distraction, because people actually get hurt. Letting little lisa dress like a sorority freshmen is a huge distraction because wieners and wieners-like behavior.
What possibly distraction could a shaved head cause?

"Hey, did you see lisa? she shaved her head."
"Wierd."
OMFG, the teacher can blame a little girl instead of One Tree Hill or whatever crap kids are gossiping about instead of learning math.
 
2014-03-25 12:33:25 PM  
"Zero Tolerance" shows it's ugly shaved head.
 
2014-03-25 01:26:40 PM  
How about we put people with good decision making skills in charge of our schools instead?
 
2014-03-25 01:38:34 PM  

BullBearMS: How about we put people with good decision making skills in charge of our schools instead?


People with good decision making skills have mostly made the good decision of not wnating that job.

Snark, aside, I'm sure there are plenty of school principals and teachers who do have enough working neurons, but like in all other professions, we don't hear about those, we only hear about the weapons-grade stupid ones.
 
2014-03-25 01:49:50 PM  

waterrockets: Sass-O-Rev: Hm... I wonder, if she'd shaved her head because of lice, whether they would have kicked her out for that?

/dnrta

Hm, I wonder if you've ever treated head lice.


Yes, I have, about twenty years ago when my kids were young.
 
2014-03-25 01:53:21 PM  

Flab: Snark, aside, I'm sure there are plenty of school principals and teachers who do have enough working neurons, but like in all other professions, we don't hear about those, we only hear about the weapons-grade stupid ones


That's exactly the point.  The other point is why would a teacher that makes $70k a year and get the entire summer off move to a job that pays $85k a year and you have to work all summer, all snow days, don't get nearly as much time off on holidays, etc....
 
2014-03-25 02:58:33 PM  
Am I the only one that GIS'd the Chairman of the Board of Directors for the school?

Catherine Norton Breman
 
2014-03-25 02:59:59 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-25 03:36:30 PM  
and this is why i hate school dress codes as they almost always go beyond common sense and end up causing messes like this  that would otherwise be a non issue.
 
2014-03-25 03:43:39 PM  

GDubDub: GDubDub: Again subby, and for everyone else who keeps submitting these "I broke a policy to show solidarity with a sick friend" stories and shouldn't have to face the consequences:  PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Non-story.

Oops, someone above posted that it was a publicly funded charter school.  That said, still a non-story.


Fortunately your presience allowed you to be a coont without having to change your opinion once you laid hold of some facts. Nicely done!
 
2014-03-25 04:03:29 PM  
Come on Farkers!  No pics of young girls with short, shorts and underwear showing???
 
2014-03-25 04:09:49 PM  

ehahn: Come on Farkers!  No pics of young girls with short, shorts and underwear showing???


bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2014-03-25 04:23:41 PM  
Shiat...I live in Grand Junction (Aka Jesusfreakistan, where pot is bad and liquor stores, meth heads and churches are cool)
 
2014-03-25 04:42:15 PM  
I'm curious, does the 'no shaved heads' pertain to the boys too?
 
2014-03-25 05:37:25 PM  

ReapTheChaos: At the start of every school year they send home a packet of information and forms you need to read, fill out and sign. One of those will be the schools official code of conduct. Those rules apply to your little snowflake just as much as all the other kids in that school, and nowhere in there does it say those rules can be broken if you think you have a spiffy reason to do so.


Pretty much this.  Especially when its an optional/private school.
 
2014-03-25 05:38:49 PM  

bratface: I'm curious, does the 'no shaved heads' pertain to the boys too?


I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say that the policy was probably written with boys in mind.
 
2014-03-25 05:42:28 PM  

derpy: The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.


Hmmm:

"Gentlemen's Hair: ..., but no shaved heads "

I guess that could be taken to mean gentlemen are allowed shaved heads?
 
2014-03-25 06:32:51 PM  

IRQ12: derpy: The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.

Hmmm:

"Gentlemen's Hair: ..., but no shaved heads "

I guess that could be taken to mean gentlemen are allowed shaved heads?


So then your response to me is wrong? Tried to access the link, the site is 'farked'.
 
2014-03-25 06:47:35 PM  

bratface: IRQ12: derpy: The school handbook:

http://caprockacademy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2013-2014-Famil y- Handbook-formatted-v2.pdf

Go to pp. 32 - 33.  "Gentlemen" are allowed shaved heads. "Ladies" are not.

/always look at a student handbook to get a real sense of the place
//starts with a Lieberman quote about "ossified bureaucracies." Really. Page 1.
///"A Word from the Headmaster," page 3, is pretty scary.

Hmmm:

"Gentlemen's Hair: ..., but no shaved heads "

I guess that could be taken to mean gentlemen are allowed shaved heads?

So then your response to me is wrong? Tried to access the link, the site is 'farked'.


No it clearly states they are not allowed for both.  I don't know why 'derpy' would take the time to find the actual rules and then directly contradict them.
 
2014-03-25 06:49:42 PM  

Syrrh: Rules are rules, and yeah she should have checked the school code and/or spoken to an administrator about it first. So the kid learns about following rules, even if they're BS.

There's another lesson to be learned here though, about the court of public opinion. How you can get your way even if you're in the wrong, but first you have to get punished a little. Throw a good enough public backlash at the school, and they'll change their tune and amend those rules to say 'unless approved by faculty' so everyone can save face.


Rules are rules, huh?  Try this one on for size, then:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How about that one?  I'd say the school broke that one with their "school code" and therefore the school's stupid little rule is illegal.  And no, it's NOT a private school.  It's a public school, it receives federal money.  And what does the SCOTUS say about that?

"It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."

And before you try to claim a haircut isn't speech, that line from Tinker v. Des Moines is referring to students wearing armbands.  If an armband can be speech, a haircut can be speech.
 
2014-03-25 07:47:22 PM  

suburbanguy: SpectroBoy: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

That is true. But the policy also allows for special cases and the teacher who didn't IMMEDIATELY understand that this was a special case is a shiatty teacher.

*Sigh*

WHAT IS CAPROCK?
CAPROCK ACADEMY IS A PUBLIC, TUITION-FREE CHARTER SCHOOL.  CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ONE OF THE OPTIONS COLORADO OFFERS FAMILIEES UNDER THE SCHOOLS OF CHOICE STATUES.


It is not a public school.  Caprock Academy does not have to accept neighborhood children like a public school does.  Students apply to go there.  If someone does not agree with their rules they may go instead to a public school or different charter school that does not have such rules.

The difference that matters in this case is the matter of choice.  This student chose that school and the rules that go with it over another school.  The student was not compelled to attend that school and adhere to its rules.
 
2014-03-25 09:18:46 PM  

Frederick: suburbanguy: SpectroBoy: Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.

That is true. But the policy also allows for special cases and the teacher who didn't IMMEDIATELY understand that this was a special case is a shiatty teacher.

*Sigh*

WHAT IS CAPROCK?
CAPROCK ACADEMY IS A PUBLIC, TUITION-FREE CHARTER SCHOOL.  CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ONE OF THE OPTIONS COLORADO OFFERS FAMILIEES UNDER THE SCHOOLS OF CHOICE STATUES.

It is not a public school.  Caprock Academy does not have to accept neighborhood children like a public school does.  Students apply to go there.  If someone does not agree with their rules they may go instead to a public school or different charter school that does not have such rules.

The difference that matters in this case is the matter of choice.  This student chose that school and the rules that go with it over another school.  The student was not compelled to attend that school and adhere to its rules.


The public funding does make a difference. Just because a contract states X doesn't mean its enforceable if it violates rights.
 
2014-03-26 06:57:20 AM  

Frederick: It didnt explicitly state, but I'm guessing Caprock Academy in Grand Junction is a private school and that they agreed to those rules when she enrolled your there.


So the school easily has room to not be dicks here, but they're going the dick route gotcha.
 
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