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(Yahoo)   Don't look now, but with their 25th straight defeat the 76ers are now one loss shy of tying the NBA record for consecutive losses   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 32
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2014-03-25 12:05:11 AM
Don't look now, but the club doesn't give a shiat about setting a new record for futility.  It's the first pick of the draft that interests them.  Gives them yet another level to fail at.
 
2014-03-25 05:07:13 AM
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I thought they were due!
 
2014-03-25 06:59:03 AM
I don't think freezing the ping-pong ball would work.
 
2014-03-25 07:12:26 AM

Prey4reign: Don't look now, but the club doesn't give a shiat about setting a new record for futility.  It's the first pick of the draft that interests them.  Gives them yet another level to fail at.


Milwaukee is still in last place by two games. I think you're right that they're going to fail to get the best odds at that first draft pick.
 
2014-03-25 07:38:52 AM
The Philadelphia 26ers.
 
2014-03-25 07:40:34 AM
I'm so proud of Mr Hinkie.  Well done.
 
2014-03-25 08:00:41 AM
Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.
 
2014-03-25 08:16:27 AM

Lost Thought 00: Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.


The Hawks have 31 wins, have a losing record, and right now looks like they will be the 8th seed. Maybe they should start tanking.
 
2014-03-25 08:20:31 AM
They have that going for them. Which is nice.

/but it's the NFL that's in trouble right Mark?
 
2014-03-25 08:34:07 AM
The were 11-61 for three over the weekend.  In the Sixers/Knicks game from Friday, the teams combined for 50+ misses from behind the arc.

Awful stuff.

KingKauff: Lost Thought 00: Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.

The Hawks have 31 wins, have a losing record, and right now looks like they will be the 8th seed. Maybe they should start tanking.


This season has not been that bad.  The East, which looked like a two team race, is rounding out.  The Conference does suck but it isnt as bad as it was few months back.  And the Sixers are by far the worst team in the league.  By far.
 
2014-03-25 08:51:59 AM
You can thank the Pelicans for starting them on their road to suckitude. If not for that ridiculous draft night trade they wouldn't be able to do this. Read Bill Simmons' take on that trade and you'll get the point.
 
2014-03-25 09:18:47 AM

balfourk: You can thank the Pelicans for starting them on their road to suckitude. If not for that ridiculous draft night trade they wouldn't be able to do this. Read Bill Simmons' take on that trade and you'll get the point.


That trade was awesome.  I just NO to go into a bit of a funk to end the season.
 
2014-03-25 09:39:29 AM
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Fans, we have just received word that the Bucks and 76ers are going to tank the rest of the season in competition for the #1 draft pick. Yeah, that'll put butts in the seats
 
2014-03-25 09:44:54 AM

Serious Black: Prey4reign: Don't look now, but the club doesn't give a shiat about setting a new record for futility.  It's the first pick of the draft that interests them.  Gives them yet another level to fail at.

Milwaukee is still in last place by two games. I think you're right that they're going to fail to get the best odds at that first draft pick.


Which goes to show how crappy Milwaukee is.... the 6ers are in a total freefall with 25 games in a row lost, and the Bucks still have a 2 game edge on the worst record in the league.
 
2014-03-25 09:48:49 AM

dletter: Serious Black: Prey4reign: Don't look now, but the club doesn't give a shiat about setting a new record for futility.  It's the first pick of the draft that interests them.  Gives them yet another level to fail at.

Milwaukee is still in last place by two games. I think you're right that they're going to fail to get the best odds at that first draft pick.

Which goes to show how crappy Milwaukee is.... the 6ers are in a total freefall with 25 games in a row lost, and the Bucks still have a 2 game edge on the worst record in the league.


That franchise is a disgrace and it has nothing to do with league office collusion, small markets, or crooked refs.  People love their conspiracies but shiatty oganizations dont win titles because there is a disconnect between the owner, management, coaching, and players, not because Evil Stern Silver.
 
2014-03-25 09:55:13 AM

KingKauff: Lost Thought 00: Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.

The Hawks have 31 wins, have a losing record, and right now looks like they will be the 8th seed. Maybe they should start tanking.


As a fan of a Phoenix Suns team that is 42-29 and STILL in grave danger of missing the playoffs in the West, this is what my bitterness looks like.
 
2014-03-25 09:57:13 AM

schief2: KingKauff: Lost Thought 00: Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.

The Hawks have 31 wins, have a losing record, and right now looks like they will be the 8th seed. Maybe they should start tanking.

As a fan of a Phoenix Suns team that is 42-29 and STILL in grave danger of missing the playoffs in the West, this is what my bitterness looks like.


They will make the playoffs IMHO.
 
2014-03-25 09:59:47 AM

schief2: KingKauff: Lost Thought 00: Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.

The Hawks have 31 wins, have a losing record, and right now looks like they will be the 8th seed. Maybe they should start tanking.

As a fan of a Phoenix Suns team that is 42-29 and STILL in grave danger of missing the playoffs in the West, this is what my bitterness looks like.


Which is why honestly IMO the NBA should have a "crossover" rule like the CFL (and I think MLS did for a year or two?)... if the 9th team in one conference is better than the playoff teams in the other conference, you slot them in the proper spot in the other conference and 8th place drops out of the playoffs in that conference.   That wouldn't get rid of all instances of crazy disperate playoff teams, but, it would help in most cases.
 
2014-03-25 10:03:41 AM

dletter: schief2: KingKauff: Lost Thought 00: Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.

The Hawks have 31 wins, have a losing record, and right now looks like they will be the 8th seed. Maybe they should start tanking.

As a fan of a Phoenix Suns team that is 42-29 and STILL in grave danger of missing the playoffs in the West, this is what my bitterness looks like.

Which is why honestly IMO the NBA should have a "crossover" rule like the CFL (and I think MLS did for a year or two?)... if the 9th team in one conference is better than the playoff teams in the other conference, you slot them in the proper spot in the other conference and 8th place drops out of the playoffs in that conference.   That wouldn't get rid of all instances of crazy disperate playoff teams, but, it would help in most cases.


I like the Playoff rivalries but you are right.  I think the NBA may go this way at some point.

Is there a reason the East blows so much or is this just the ebbs and flows of power?   Or do the East franchises just suck ass?
 
2014-03-25 10:10:30 AM

dletter: Which is why honestly IMO the NBA should have a "crossover" rule like the CFL (and I think MLS did for a year or two?)... if the 9th team in one conference is better than the playoff teams in the other conference, you slot them in the proper spot in the other conference and 8th place drops out of the playoffs in that conference.   That wouldn't get rid of all instances of crazy disperate playoff teams, but, it would help in most cases


If you can't make the top 8 in your conference, I don't care how unfair it is, you really don't have a legit gripe.
 
2014-03-25 10:18:01 AM

Gunny Highway: dletter: schief2: KingKauff: Lost Thought 00: Not even the worst team this year. This NBA season has been dreadful. 30 wins gets you in the playoffs.

The Hawks have 31 wins, have a losing record, and right now looks like they will be the 8th seed. Maybe they should start tanking.

As a fan of a Phoenix Suns team that is 42-29 and STILL in grave danger of missing the playoffs in the West, this is what my bitterness looks like.

Which is why honestly IMO the NBA should have a "crossover" rule like the CFL (and I think MLS did for a year or two?)... if the 9th team in one conference is better than the playoff teams in the other conference, you slot them in the proper spot in the other conference and 8th place drops out of the playoffs in that conference.   That wouldn't get rid of all instances of crazy disperate playoff teams, but, it would help in most cases.

I like the Playoff rivalries but you are right.  I think the NBA may go this way at some point.

Is there a reason the East blows so much or is this just the ebbs and flows of power?   Or do the East franchises just suck ass?


There is an ebb & flow, you can go through the years via here:
http://www.shrpsports.com/nba/stand/2013finalcnf.htm

If they would have had a "crossover" rule in the NBA in previous seasons, when it would have been used:
2013: Utah 43-39, slotted 7th in the East
2011: Houston 43-39, slotted 6th in the East
2010: Houston 42-40, slotted 8th in the East
2009: Phoenix 46-36, slotted 5th in the East
2008: G.S. 48-34, slotted 4th in the East
2006: Utah 41-41, slotted 8th in the East
2005: Minnesota 44-38, slotted 7th in the East
2004: Utah 42-40, slotted 7th in the East
2003: Houston 43-39, slotted 7th in the East
2001: Houston 45-37, slotted 7th in the East
1999: Charlotte 26-24, slotted 8th in the West
1998: Washington 42-40, slotted 8th in the West
1997: Cleveland 42-40, slotted 6th in the West
1996: Charlotte 41-41, slotted 8th in the West
1995: Sacramento 39-43, slotted 8th in the East
1993: Orlando 41-41, slotted 8th in the West
1992: Houston 42-40, slotted 6th in the East

So, almost every year it would have been used... and since 2001.. exclusively with the West crossing over.  So, it does ebb and flow, but, its been a good 15 years that the West has had better teams in # than the East.
 
2014-03-25 10:25:02 AM

MugzyBrown: dletter: Which is why honestly IMO the NBA should have a "crossover" rule like the CFL (and I think MLS did for a year or two?)... if the 9th team in one conference is better than the playoff teams in the other conference, you slot them in the proper spot in the other conference and 8th place drops out of the playoffs in that conference.   That wouldn't get rid of all instances of crazy disperate playoff teams, but, it would help in most cases

If you can't make the top 8 in your conference, I don't care how unfair it is, you really don't have a legit gripe.


You can certainly make that argument, but, I mean, when you are going to have a team 10 games over .500 miss by 1-2 games in the West, vs. a team 3-4 games under .500 probably make it in the East... that is a pretty big rift.

You could certainly put some rules in for the crossover rule as well.  I would certainly say that you have to be above .500 to cross over (Sacramento in 1995, although technically better than the 8th place Eastern team... at 39-43, you aren't really that "worthy" of a crossover).... I could even see putting some strict rules like (A) crossover team being .550 winning % or better to cross over (that would make it minimum of 46 wins in an 82 game season, 46-36... 10 games over .500, seems reasonable to me), plus at least one of the teams in the other conference being below .500 that would be dropped out.   Then, you are definitely "righting a 'wrong'", not just swapping a team in that is 2-3 games better than the other team.

With that latter rule, you'd have only swapped out GS & Phoenix in 2008 & 2009 over the past 20 years, and probably the Western 9th seed this year... which seem like "good" crossovers to me.
 
2014-03-25 10:37:13 AM

dletter: You can certainly make that argument, but, I mean, when you are going to have a team 10 games over .500 miss by 1-2 games in the West, vs. a team 3-4 games under .500 probably make it in the East... that is a pretty big rift.


Considering about 85% of the champions are #1 or # 2 seeds, it's kinda meaningless.

Phoenix is probably better served missing the playoffs and maybe getting super lucky in the lottery. (assuming they hold their pick)
 
2014-03-25 11:53:11 AM
They need a d-league with relegation.  Suck the most and you could lose your spot at the big boys table not win the right to draft a franchise player
 
2014-03-25 11:56:57 AM

elguerodiablo: They need a d-league with relegation.  Suck the most and you could lose your spot at the big boys table not win the right to draft a franchise player


I have seen this euro soccer model mentioned a lot recently.
 
2014-03-25 12:49:07 PM

Gunny Highway: elguerodiablo: They need a d-league with relegation.  Suck the most and you could lose your spot at the big boys table not win the right to draft a franchise player

I have seen this euro soccer model mentioned a lot recently.


Except it will never happen in the US because we use a franchise model
 
2014-03-25 01:03:46 PM

MugzyBrown: Gunny Highway: elguerodiablo: They need a d-league with relegation.  Suck the most and you could lose your spot at the big boys table not win the right to draft a franchise player

I have seen this euro soccer model mentioned a lot recently.

Except it will never happen in the US because we use a franchise model


Yeah, I dont like it but people seem to think it will solve all the "problems" with American sports.
 
2014-03-25 01:16:59 PM

MugzyBrown: Gunny Highway: elguerodiablo: They need a d-league with relegation.  Suck the most and you could lose your spot at the big boys table not win the right to draft a franchise player

I have seen this euro soccer model mentioned a lot recently.

Except it will never happen in the US because we use a franchise model


Exactly... even when they suck, the Bucks (or any team) are still worth something because they are an NBA team.   If they fall to play in the D-League for a few years, they'll be worth 5% of that value.   Also doesn't make sense (with the current d-league) because the teams there are farm teams of NBA clubs.   At best, you'd have to just split up the NBA into two 16 team leagues that don't play each other.  But, even then, you've just made half the league lose 75% of their team value, which also won't fly.

I am not going to claim I know "why" this "works" in Europe with soccer... I assume some level of history and tradition along with since it is just how it's "always" been, you come into owning a team knowing how it "works".
 
2014-03-25 03:25:15 PM

dletter: Exactly... even when they suck, the Bucks (or any team) are still worth something because they are an NBA team.   If they fall to play in the D-League for a few years, they'll be worth 5% of that value.   Also doesn't make sense (with the current d-league) because the teams there are farm teams of NBA clubs.   At best, you'd have to just split up the NBA into two 16 team leagues that don't play each other.  But, even then, you've just made half the league lose 75% of their team value, which also won't fly.

I am not going to claim I know "why" this "works" in Europe with soccer... I assume some level of history and tradition along with since it is just how it's "always" been, you come into owning a team knowing how it "works".


Theoretically in England, you could create your own club and work your way into english premier league, from what I understand.

I can't do the same with the NBA.
 
2014-03-25 05:01:14 PM
Doesn't the nature of the playoff design for the NBA kinda make this problem/situation more common? Since more than half the league gets into the playoffs (16 of 30 teams).  Not every year, since if all teams became more mediocre the 53% that get in could all have winning records, but then your just seeing a bunch of mediocre teams through the regular season, but maybe that works to sell tickets.

And a last question: Do they not do the draft lottery anymore?

And to be honest I am no fan of pro-basketball, have no idea whats going on, and shouldn't even be posting in this thread. oh-well.
 
2014-03-25 11:24:17 PM

el_pilgrim: Doesn't the nature of the playoff design for the NBA kinda make this problem/situation more common? Since more than half the league gets into the playoffs (16 of 30 teams).  Not every year, since if all teams became more mediocre the 53% that get in could all have winning records, but then your just seeing a bunch of mediocre teams through the regular season, but maybe that works to sell tickets.

And a last question: Do they not do the draft lottery anymore?

And to be honest I am no fan of pro-basketball, have no idea whats going on, and shouldn't even be posting in this thread. oh-well.


Your first part is right... and when one conference is generally better than the other (as the West has been the past decade or so), they'll have 9-10 above .500 teams, while the east maybe has 5-6.

They do have the draft lottery, although after Orlando won in 1994 with the best record of the lottery teams (when it was 1 ball for them, 2 balls for the next worst team, down to 11 balls for the worst team), they changed it up to be really slanted towards the worst teams... now the best lottery team gets 5 balls, and the worst team gets 250 balls.
 
2014-03-26 12:51:00 PM

dletter: They do have the draft lottery, although after Orlando won in 1994 with the best record of the lottery teams (when it was 1 ball for them, 2 balls for the next worst team, down to 11 balls for the worst team), they changed it up to be really slanted towards the worst teams... now the best lottery team gets 5 balls, and the worst team gets 250 balls.


But Stern pretty much always managed to make sure that teams that were blatantly tanking didn't actually win the lottery. We'll see if Silver does that as well.
 
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