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2014-03-25 05:03:33 AM  
7 votes:

maram500: If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


I'd like to treat people AND animals better, and I see the two goals as interrelated and mutually supportive. Why do you believe those goals are contradictory?
2014-03-25 04:44:31 AM  
6 votes:
FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.
2014-03-25 07:15:44 AM  
4 votes:
1. An "amusement" park with animals has been shown to be pretty bad about mistreating them.

2. A school plans a field trip to it.

3. A parent e-mails the teacher and brings to her attention the issue and suggests it might not be the best place to take the kids.

4. The teacher agrees and cancels the trip.

5. This, for some reason, becomes news.

I really fail to see the problem here, at all. Even if you're one of those assholes who think animals should be treated any way whatsoever, you must realize you're in the minority and even most non-animals rights activists have limits to what they think is ok.
2014-03-25 05:00:24 AM  
4 votes:

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


I respect animals more than humans already.
2014-03-25 07:13:52 AM  
3 votes:

phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...


Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.
2014-03-25 06:13:17 AM  
3 votes:
I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...
2014-03-25 05:52:24 AM  
3 votes:

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


So ? Never ?

This is the kind of thought that was used to postpone all progress on Earth, including on fellow human beings.

Humanity can multitask, you know.
2014-03-25 05:51:33 AM  
3 votes:
I think I found the original article that started off all this crap for marineland;

"Larry lies behind bars in a pen, his eyes red and swollen. The harbour seal with "an amazing little personality" who arrived at Marineland about eight years ago is now a shadow of his former self. After repeated exposure to unhealthy water, he has gone blind."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/08/15/marineland_animals_suf fe ring_former_staffers_say.html

This woman isn't just some animal crackpot,  a lot of people around this place are boycotting it after these stories from The Star.  The place is a shiat hole and if I had kids I wouldn't want them going there either.
2014-03-25 05:02:04 AM  
3 votes:

maram500: This is the latter.


I don't know what article you read, but this one says she emailed a teacher and the teacher agreed to change the plan. Is there another version with like protest and threats of violence or something? Where does the "forcing" come in?
2014-03-25 04:53:59 AM  
3 votes:

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.
2014-03-25 08:30:52 AM  
2 votes:

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Who wrote this order of priorities rule? You?

You just lost your right to refer to anyone else's words as "silly".
2014-03-25 07:17:44 AM  
2 votes:
Actually... in this one case, hippy-mom may not be so far off-base.

Marineland Ontario doesn't exactly meet zoo standards.  Its not even an animalarium or a menagerie.

Last year, staff went public about poor treatment of animals (we're talkin' deer and bear here, not a couple of goldfish).  Then the Ministry of the Environment found over 1,000 animals buried illegally in mass graves on-site and started laying charges.  The place is a miserable hell hole and should be wiped off the face of the earth.
2014-03-25 06:56:21 AM  
2 votes:

Wolf892: I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


Now, I hate forcing animals to do 'tricks' for us (e.g. elephants, orcas), but Zoos and Aquariums provide people with access to animals that they'd never know about. They ARE educational. Teaching them about them gives them something to care about and conserve.  Case in point: I'm a ecologist now because someone fostered my interest in animals when I was a child (an after school Zoo educational program). Not only that many Zoos and Aquariums are involved in important scientific and conservation work.

That said, places like SeaWorld can eat a bag of dicks.
2014-03-25 06:11:49 AM  
2 votes:

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


How about hitting them with the water sprayer?
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2014-03-25 05:55:51 AM  
2 votes:

JSam21: For kids, observing animals in a zoo or aquarium is the best way for the kids to do it. They get to see animals that you could never see in person unless you spent several thousand dollars and traveled tens of thousands of miles. Plus it makes learning a little bit fun.


Which is all fine, but not all zoos are the same. Some are run with the animals' welfare at heart while some are commercial ventures which treat their animals appallingly. I don't see any reason why schools should support the latter sort.
2014-03-25 05:40:55 AM  
2 votes:
Bah I can't find the one from The Star newspaper that started it all but here are two others from their coverage on it;

"The Niagara Falls tourist attraction has dug pits for decades to dispose of its animals, using heavy machinery to cover them up, according to former staffers.  There are four mass graves, two of them containing "more than 1,000 animals," said Marineland's former land animal supervisor Jim Hammond."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/12/20/marineland_environment _m inistry_launches_probe_into_mass_animal_graves.html

"Kelly's last shift was last Tuesday.  In a Star report on Wednesday, eight former Marineland employees told of recurring water problems at the park that left animals sick and suffering fur loss, skin conditions and eye problems, including blindness."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/08/20/former_marineland_staf f_ sickened_by_parks_explanations.html
2014-03-25 05:27:52 AM  
2 votes:
This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..
2014-03-25 05:01:09 AM  
2 votes:

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Yes, I'm sure the mother is totally against human rights, or maybe the school just hasn't set up a field trip that let's her express her feelings on the matter.

Field trips to sweat shops and human trafficking centers are few and far between.
2014-03-25 04:52:20 AM  
2 votes:
I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.
2014-03-25 04:50:20 AM  
2 votes:
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2014-03-25 11:54:59 AM  
1 votes:
washington-babylon:

YOUR children, sure, that's fine. But nothing gives you the right to force your opinionated values upon anyone else. That is what the stupid coont in the article is doing. Don't like your snowflakes doing something? Fine. Exempt your kids. But just because you disagree with something doesn't mean that you get to force your worldview on everyone else.

I guess you don't vote then, because what gives you the right to foist your worldview on someone else?
For that matter, since this woman is most likely paying taxes that fund the school, I suppose that does give her something of a right, doesn't it?  What a strange thing to lose your shiat over...the woman heard the school was doing something that might be objectionable if they knew about it, and guess what, they agreed!

So, what exactly is your issue here?  Someone exercises their right to free speech, makes a persuasive argument, and wins consensus...that makes her a stupid coont?  I thought all the 'freedom' lovers wanted the right to say whatever they wanted, they want parental voices in the schools, and that governments should listen to the grassroots...but I get it, only if they agree with you.

If you read the article, you'll note that the local school board does not usually approve visits to that park due to unspecified (but well known) concerns...so in fact, the school board was on the same side as the parent before the school even acted!

Given that we're discussing a children's day out to a park, and not anything of any great importance, the enranged reactions in this thread are coming-off as a bit over-the-top, no?
2014-03-25 10:52:47 AM  
1 votes:

Egoy3k: Big_Doofus: Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.

I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.

I actually didn't mean anything nor did I choose a side, I'm just saying that it's not contradictory to eat steak and still feel that keeping marine mammals captive for entertainment is wrong.  The reverse is also true.  They are different issues.


This vegetarian who thinks that controlled animal testing of medicines is a good idea agrees with you.
2014-03-25 10:50:02 AM  
1 votes:

Big_Doofus: Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.

I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.


I actually didn't mean anything nor did I choose a side, I'm just saying that it's not contradictory to eat steak and still feel that keeping marine mammals captive for entertainment is wrong.  The reverse is also true.  They are different issues.
2014-03-25 08:43:26 AM  
1 votes:
Apparently, nobody in this world knows a damn thing about zoos anymore. Zoos are NOT there to say "hey...watch our animals do tricks for you!!!" They are actually there because most of those animals are highly endangered, injured, rescued, born while in the zoo. In many cases, after even a few months in a Zoo...these animals can no longer return to the wild, due to the fact that they have become accustomed to the daily feeding by caretakers.

Zoos also spend MASSIVE amounts of time and money on educating the public on these endangered animals. They show them how beautiful these animals are and why we SHOULD protect them.

But yes, by all means...go ahead and piss and moan about their treatment(which btw is multitudes better than we treat our own species) and we can all watch the endangered animals become extinct.
2014-03-25 08:34:08 AM  
1 votes:
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" is pretty much the law of the land now.
2014-03-25 07:45:57 AM  
1 votes:

Boo_Guy: This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..




You're right about that. There were hideous problems with mass die offs and improper burials of the marine animals. Many staff members were quitting because of the deplorable treatment of the animals, unsanitary conditions, martinet supervisors.

I'm not a member of the Stoney Creek pucker butt society but I wouldn't take my kids there either.
2014-03-25 07:40:21 AM  
1 votes:
So, if mommy-poo's precious kids get really sick, we can assume she'll stick to her guns and not use any medicine that was tested on animals, right? (All medicines are tested on animals.)
2014-03-25 07:37:31 AM  
1 votes:

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


Can't we do both?
Some times you hit lulls in one project, so you have time to work on another. Like you're waiting on a part, so while your car restoration is just sitting, you can get around to painting the garage.

Same thing with people and animals. We can't do much about Somalia right now, so why not worry about some dolphins until we get a chance to sort that shiat out?
With the wars winding down, we've got at least 10 years before we can fire up another and go invade North Korea, so lets see what we can do about some giraffes.
2014-03-25 07:30:37 AM  
1 votes:

Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.


I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.
2014-03-25 07:17:44 AM  
1 votes:

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


It's silly because you don't "pass those values on" by shielding your kid from the experience.  You pass on the value of Das Verbotten, a value of authoritarianism, and a value of forcing your beliefs on others.  And the value that they are special and that their beliefs trump others beliefs.

Want to pass the value on that zoos are bad?  Talk to you kids like adults about the nature of incarceration, and buy a family dog.  By the end of the month, if your son or daughter isn't asking why we don't let the dog run free in the wild, there's probably something wrong with them.

But you could go around making other people unhappy for your own edification if you want.
2014-03-25 07:14:28 AM  
1 votes:
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
Yes, but this is a self-styled animal liberation activist who doesn't agree with keeping animals in captivity in the first place, so best case is that she's a blind nut who has found a squirrel.

Quite likely, but if the school agrees that she's right about this particular place (and it apparently does...), should it send the kids anyway?  It seems silly to refuse to do the right thing because a nutbag agrees with you.

I must admit, I know nothing about Marineland, but if it's one of the places that doesn't take proper care of its animals it should be run out of business. Zoos, Aquariums, etc. are expensive places to run properly, and if they're unable/unwilling to invest in caring for their animals they should not have them.
2014-03-25 07:09:11 AM  
1 votes:
Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.
2014-03-25 06:28:55 AM  
1 votes:
This Marineland place sounds pretty nasty, and I sure as hell wouldn't want my kids going there. I don't think they'd learn anything other than new and exciting ways in which to make animals suffer.
2014-03-25 05:56:56 AM  
1 votes:
I know some zoos and aquariums should probably be shut down but they're not all bad. There are a lot of animals that would be extinct but aren't because of zoos.
The California Condor comes to mind.
2014-03-25 05:44:50 AM  
1 votes:

maram500: Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


Seriously? I guess those animals are farked then.
2014-03-25 05:33:25 AM  
1 votes:

turnkey: Arumat: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

I respect animals more than humans already.

I hear this opinion more and more all the time.

It's a ridiculous feeling/ideology/philosophy, but whatever, I don't feel like typing out an essay of why.

But, I will ask:
Why do (other species of) animals deserve more respect than humans?
Do you respect animals more than yourself?


In my (admittedly limited) dealings with animals, if I was bitten or otherwise injured it was usually my own fault.  I've been screwed by plenty of humans for no discernible reason whatsoever.  At least the humans should know better.

As to the second question, while I don't think very highly of myself, I'd say it's probably about even.  I'm not vegan or vegetarian or anything like that, but I don't go out of my way to harm animals either.  I just find that most humans aren't worthy of much respect; be they stupid, ignorant, hypocritical (myself included), or outright malicious.
2014-03-25 05:33:18 AM  
1 votes:
But...what about the plants?


FREE THE PLANTS!
2014-03-25 05:25:20 AM  
1 votes:

Arumat: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

I respect animals more than humans already.


I hear this opinion more and more all the time.

It's a ridiculous feeling/ideology/philosophy, but whatever, I don't feel like typing out an essay of why.

But, I will ask:
Why do (other species of) animals deserve more respect than humans?
Do you respect animals more than yourself?
2014-03-25 04:56:02 AM  
1 votes:

profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?


I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?
2014-03-25 04:54:08 AM  
1 votes:

maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.


What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?
2014-03-25 04:48:31 AM  
1 votes:
"Instead of Marineland, students will be going to the Royal Botanical Gardens."

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