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2014-03-25 10:50:02 AM  

Big_Doofus: Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.

I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.


I actually didn't mean anything nor did I choose a side, I'm just saying that it's not contradictory to eat steak and still feel that keeping marine mammals captive for entertainment is wrong.  The reverse is also true.  They are different issues.
 
2014-03-25 10:52:47 AM  

Egoy3k: Big_Doofus: Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.

I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.

I actually didn't mean anything nor did I choose a side, I'm just saying that it's not contradictory to eat steak and still feel that keeping marine mammals captive for entertainment is wrong.  The reverse is also true.  They are different issues.


This vegetarian who thinks that controlled animal testing of medicines is a good idea agrees with you.
 
2014-03-25 10:59:21 AM  

jimmy-kray: "Instead of Marineland, students will be going to the Royal Botanical Gardens."

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Came here to post that sentence, bwahahahahahahaha
 
2014-03-25 11:02:41 AM  

excellent average: You want to save animals? Stop contributing to global climate change otherwise everything is farked anyways.

/lady has good intentions but the effort is misplaced


Might want to check urban heat island statistics before you throw "zomg we're the reason" into this thread. Your global warming god is false.
 
2014-03-25 11:07:42 AM  
Mommy's about 10% biatch in this case, I'll give her a pass for her remark about captivity being inherently inhumane. Her bigger crusade is wanting the school to ban trips to MarineHell specifically, not zoos in general, because that one place is such an awful place.
 
2014-03-25 11:10:21 AM  
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

She doesn't have the personal power so she's agitating for enforcement of her preferences by others, in the same way as people who try to get objectionable books or inconvenient science banned by the school board. Rather than asking to be allowed to opt out, she wants the entire activity banned for everyone.


Seriously, you've picked the wrong folks to go to bat for here...my wife and I took our kids to the Niagara region a couple of years ago.  After planning to go to Marineland, we started to read the reviews of the place (which is notorious not only for terrible animal abuse, but also for North Korea-esque levels of fun and convenience), we talked to our daughters - who had been begging to go.  By the time we got through just a few of the stories, they were absolutely refusing to go.  Zoos are fine, staffed with zoologists and biologists, aquariums are fine with marine biologists, etc.  Marineland is just a concentration-camp for poor, defenceless creatures.
 
2014-03-25 11:14:15 AM  

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


YOUR children, sure, that's fine. But nothing gives you the right to force your opinionated values upon anyone else. That is what the stupid coont in the article is doing. Don't like your snowflakes doing something? Fine. Exempt your kids. But just because you disagree with something doesn't mean that you get to force your worldview on everyone else.
 
2014-03-25 11:30:06 AM  

jwmc1971: i would gladly kill any animal on the planet to save me/my family . that means animal testing / food and any other thing these people feel is against " animal rights " . im not for torturing needlessly but if it means my kids/me can safely take meds or products or even eat , so be it . they were put here for us ..

and to the same the same idiots saying otherwise ....is everything in your controllable environment an animal free zone ? meaning any product/food animal free 100% ? if not STFU , thanks , sincerely the rest of us .


I have no problem with animal testing, hunting, fishing, meat-eating, wearing fur, or any other beneficial use of animals.

Marineland provides no such beneficial use. It is a business whose model is to mistreat animals for the amusement of a paying audience. Surely, it is possible to be opposed to this without being an idiot.
 
2014-03-25 11:37:09 AM  
I watched this documentary on Netflix last night that taught me Sea World was bad so now I know the truth.
Abolish all zoos!
 
2014-03-25 11:54:59 AM  
washington-babylon:

YOUR children, sure, that's fine. But nothing gives you the right to force your opinionated values upon anyone else. That is what the stupid coont in the article is doing. Don't like your snowflakes doing something? Fine. Exempt your kids. But just because you disagree with something doesn't mean that you get to force your worldview on everyone else.

I guess you don't vote then, because what gives you the right to foist your worldview on someone else?
For that matter, since this woman is most likely paying taxes that fund the school, I suppose that does give her something of a right, doesn't it?  What a strange thing to lose your shiat over...the woman heard the school was doing something that might be objectionable if they knew about it, and guess what, they agreed!

So, what exactly is your issue here?  Someone exercises their right to free speech, makes a persuasive argument, and wins consensus...that makes her a stupid coont?  I thought all the 'freedom' lovers wanted the right to say whatever they wanted, they want parental voices in the schools, and that governments should listen to the grassroots...but I get it, only if they agree with you.

If you read the article, you'll note that the local school board does not usually approve visits to that park due to unspecified (but well known) concerns...so in fact, the school board was on the same side as the parent before the school even acted!

Given that we're discussing a children's day out to a park, and not anything of any great importance, the enranged reactions in this thread are coming-off as a bit over-the-top, no?
 
2014-03-25 12:01:11 PM  

alabasterblack: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

Not a multi-tasker eh?


Yeah, well come on, there are only 7,000,000,000 of us, how many things can we do at once?  By the way, what are we all doing tomorrow?
 
2014-03-25 12:21:08 PM  
Send them to a slaughterhouse so they can learn where their food comes from.

Maybe they won't grow up broken.
 
2014-03-25 12:26:36 PM  
Can't well all just get along? And then eat some of those poor cooped up animals?
 
2014-03-25 12:26:58 PM  
People like this woman are the problem with canada in the first place. If you got a problem take it up with managment.
instead of trying to ham fist some high schooler support like this.

or mabey she should go find a real problem to waste her time with.
 
2014-03-25 12:43:21 PM  
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2014-03-25 12:54:07 PM  

Feepit: A friend I was visiting took me to this particular Marineland probably ten years ago. We had a good time and the animals seemed alright.

I would much rather visit a zoo or marine park than an arboretum.


You didn't pay enough to get the special tour then,  here's a map of Marineland detailing the great stuff you missed that day.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-03-25 12:55:10 PM  

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


It is silly because if this park is shut down these animals are not going to be released,  They will be killed.  The animals have been raised in captivity since birth.  They have never seen any food except for already dead fish that are dropped into their mouths.  It would take years of of rehab and training to get them ready for release and there is no money for that.  So they will get a half gallon of potassium injected into their heart and a free trip to the nearest dump.

Even if some billionaire were to come along and fund the rehab I doubt you would be happy with the process for an orca.  1st you need to reintroduce the killer whale to its natural food source, in this case seals.  So you run out and kill a seal, chop it up into bit sized pieces and hand feed it to the whale.   You do this once a day for a few months until it acquires a taste for seal.  Then you chop the seal into large chuncks and throw it into the water instead of hand feeding, once again repeat for a few months.  Next start throwing a whole dead seal in the water until the whale gets used to tearing it apart, again a few months.  Then you start trying the dead seal to a rope and pull it through the water at gradually increasing speed until it gets used to eating moving food.  Finally you start letting live seals loose in its pool until it gets used to eating live prey.  So after a year to a year and a half and several hundred dead seals you have one killer whale ready to eat wild prey.  You can then move it to a ocean pen in an appropriate environment, Alaska or Northern Canada.  After another 6 months to a year and a couple hundred more dead seals you can release him or her for good.

Hey, since this is what the mother in the story wants, maybe they could send the school on a field trip to watch the process.  They could watch a huge predator tear a human sized terrified living animal into bite size pieces and watch the spurting blood.  Did you know that Orcas in the wild like to play with their food? They will toss the still living seals around for a while before they kill and eat them.

/Nature isn't gentle
//Nature is a biatch
 
2014-03-25 12:59:42 PM  
Animal exhibit=fine.  Animal "shows"=no.

Zoos have a legitimate function in science and conservation, and to think that animals somehow object to captivity in principle is simply anthropomorphization.  Like it or not, the primary concern of a wild animal is not freedom, it's safety, and they get that in captivity.
 
2014-03-25 01:02:06 PM  
That new area they're working on (2-5 on the map above) is going to be called Auschwitz Cove.


♫ EVERYONE LOOOOOOOOOOOOVES MARINELAND!! ♫
 
2014-03-25 01:05:34 PM  
The self-proclaimed "animal liberation activist"...

Stopped reading there.
 
2014-03-25 01:15:44 PM  

Boo_Guy: You didn't pay enough to get the special tour then,  here's a map of Marineland detailing the great stuff you missed that day.


Are you trying to tell me that animals are not immortal or that Marineland is disposing of the deceased inappropriately?
 
2014-03-25 01:19:53 PM  

GORDON: Wolf892:

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

She could have kept her own kids out of school that day, instead she went on a crusade and farked it up for everyone.  That makes her a biatch.


Yeah, how dare she deprive ignorant children of the chance to continue funding such a delightful place? It's not like they go to school to learn anything.
 
2014-03-25 01:26:27 PM  

Feepit: Boo_Guy: You didn't pay enough to get the special tour then,  here's a map of Marineland detailing the great stuff you missed that day.

Are you trying to tell me that animals are not immortal or that Marineland is disposing of the deceased inappropriately?


Considering the fact that no one even knew they had, and weren't even supposed to have mass graves,  I'm going with disposed of inappropriately.

The Ministry of the Environment orders Marineland to stop burying animals on-site
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/01/14/marineland_ordered_to_ st op_burying_animals_onsite.html

See if they disposed of them properly then someone outside of Marineland would have figured out the screwed up conditions and other illegal things going on there a lot sooner.
 
2014-03-25 01:38:09 PM  
HK-MP5-SD:

It is silly because if this park is shut down these animals are not going to be released,  They will be killed.

If you read any of the links supplies in this thread by other farkers, you might be persuaded to think this is not such a bad thing.

It would be terribly sad, but most of them would be better off being euthanized than living in such deplorable conditions.  Most of them are already sick and I am astonished by Canada's humane organizations turning a blind eye to such blatant mistreatment and squalid living conditions of captive animals.

They're a bunch of losers.
 
2014-03-25 01:41:24 PM  

Boo_Guy: Considering the fact that no one even knew they had, and weren't even supposed to have mass graves,  I'm going with disposed of inappropriately


That they didn't comply with the law is disappointing.

As for the proper way for a zoo or aquarium or other organization that accommodates many animals, aside from that it seems revolting, I can't really see a practical objection to an on-site mass grave as long as it doesn't pollute the environment. Cremation would reduce the air quality around the park and transporting large animals elsewhere is not cost efficient. From your article:

"The preliminary results of two test pits and Welland River sampling show no contamination has occurred."

"If Marineland wants to continue burying animals on site, the park must apply for a permit from the environment ministry to operate a disposal site."
 
2014-03-25 01:45:18 PM  
If the animals didn't want to be placed in captivity they would have fought back harder.
 
2014-03-25 02:07:01 PM  
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2014-03-25 02:36:07 PM  

youmightberight: excellent average: You want to save animals? Stop contributing to global climate change otherwise everything is farked anyways.

/lady has good intentions but the effort is misplaced

Might want to check urban heat island statistics before you throw "zomg we're the reason" into this thread. Your global warming god is false.


LOL.

You might want to check out the most recent IPCC report or, I dunno, all the scientific studies everywhere. But hey, what does all that scientific proof mean against your personal beliefs right?
 
2014-03-25 02:40:15 PM  
Next weeks headline: Mother Forced to Move Children to New School.
 
2014-03-25 02:43:48 PM  

CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.


When I was a kid, my parents took me to a zoo-like place in SoCal called Jungleland that had lotsa animals, including lions, elephants, monkeys, and camels. I have never forgotten seeing one particularly sad-looking camel whose hump hung limply to one side (I think I was 6 at the time).

/also never forgot seeing sickly hyenas at the Fresno Zoo
 
2014-03-25 02:47:19 PM  

Lorelle: CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.

When I was a kid, my parents took me to a zoo-like place in SoCal called Jungleland that had lotsa animals, including lions, elephants, monkeys, and camels. I have never forgotten seeing one particularly sad-looking camel whose hump hung limply to one side (I think I was 6 at the time).

/also never forgot seeing sickly hyenas at the Fresno Zoo


Sounds like it was a life long educational experience.  Win win!
 
2014-03-25 02:51:54 PM  

stonicus: Lorelle: CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.

When I was a kid, my parents took me to a zoo-like place in SoCal called Jungleland that had lotsa animals, including lions, elephants, monkeys, and camels. I have never forgotten seeing one particularly sad-looking camel whose hump hung limply to one side (I think I was 6 at the time).

/also never forgot seeing sickly hyenas at the Fresno Zoo

Sounds like it was a life long educational experience.  Win win!


That's the point...those kids will never forget seeing miserable, mistreated creatures at Marineland.

/doesn't remember seeing mistreated creatures at Marineland in SoCal
 
2014-03-25 02:56:31 PM  

Molavian: Send them to a slaughterhouse so they can learn where their food comes from.

Maybe they won't grow up broken.


I agree.  I think anyone who eats meat (myself included) should come face to face with that.  I eat mostly fish and chickens I buy from the Amish.  Those chickens had a great life before they were quickly and mercifully harvested.
 
2014-03-25 03:11:37 PM  
Send them to a slaughterhouse so they can learn where their food comes from.


I have been to one. Didn't affect my eating habits in the least, except i wouldn't want to actually dine there.
 
2014-03-25 04:15:09 PM  

KWess: I guess you don't vote then


False equivalency. That is one of the only times you have a protected right to (by general consensus) foist a worldview on a country or a people.

KWess: since this woman is most likely paying taxes that fund the school


I pay taxes that fund the local fire department. I don't have any right to tell them how to run the station.


KWess: Someone exercises their right to free speech, makes a persuasive argument, and wins consensus...


1 letter to 1 teacher should NEVER a consensus make. Did you go to the Russian School for the Advancement of Political Reformation?

KWess: 'freedom' lovers wanted the right to say whatever they wanted,


You already have that right. But that right does not in any way grant you permission to bend others to your way of thinking. You have the right to speak freely... and we have the right to choose to ignore you. If you resort to anything outside of the doctrines of free speech, you can no longer claim that protection. That is why in the original post I replied to, I was pointing out that you have the Right to impress your views and beliefs on your own children, but not on someone else, or on their kids.

KWess: If you read the article, you'll note that the local school board does not usually approve visits to that park due to unspecified (but well known) concerns...so in fact, the school board was on the same side as the parent before the school even acted!


Then in cases like this you should contact the School board to voice your concern over the approval (because they DID approve the trip), as that is the proper channel for concerns of this nature. Notice that she didn't do this because of "certain concerns over the park" She did this because she holds the view that all holding of animals in captivity is abusive and that the animals should be free. This made it a political attempt to force others to conform to her viewpoint. It wouldn't matter if (as was the case here) there is evidence that the park is one of the foulest in the country, if this had been to the best facility in the world she still would have made a stink about it. The only reason anyone can come to her defense here is because the facility was bad.
 
The outrage in this thread is because of the prevalence of people who (due to excessive influence) constantly try to force others to do what they want. PETA, Sea Shepherds, ELF, and individuals like Tre Arrow, Eric McDavid, Paul Watson, Daniel McGowan all exemplify this mindset. It doesn't matter what you personally believe, the opinions of a few do not override the opinions (or rights) of the many.

 
2014-03-25 04:15:15 PM  

Boo_Guy: This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..


I'm guessing you're be labeled as being too "pc" for pointing that out.
 
2014-03-25 04:16:29 PM  
Yeah, because the oceans are so clean nowadays.  I feel like someone should go after the people trying to put them back there.  For what?  Radiation, oil spills, a catastrophic mix of chemicals from all of the homes that have been washed into them in recent years, the Navy killing their brains with sonar testing, toxic ash, overfished waters, airplanes, bodies, hormones, anti-depressants, drugs, my mother in laws ashes...You name it.

Yeah - that's it - the ocean.  This great, huge honking goose of a woman should go try to live in the ocean and report back in a month.
 
2014-03-25 04:20:04 PM  
Welcome to Fark, you'll see a lot of that here.
 
2014-03-25 04:28:37 PM  

Astorix: inclemency: Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.

Jesus Christ can you turn down the dial to 10 on your misogyny?!


A lot of that in this thread from morons who know nothing about the place she protested, just a lot of "how dare that attention where complain about anything".  Note that on Fark, you always see at least one dumbass use the term "attention whore" to describe a woman who advocate for something.  In their eyes women only belong in two places, either in the kitchen, or in the bedroom with their legs open, they don't belong anywhere else in their mentality.
 
2014-03-25 04:45:18 PM  

KWess: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

She doesn't have the personal power so she's agitating for enforcement of her preferences by others, in the same way as people who try to get objectionable books or inconvenient science banned by the school board. Rather than asking to be allowed to opt out, she wants the entire activity banned for everyone.


Seriously, you've picked the wrong folks to go to bat for here...my wife and I took our kids to the Niagara region a couple of years ago.  After planning to go to Marineland, we started to read the reviews of the place (which is notorious not only for terrible animal abuse, but also for North Korea-esque levels of fun and convenience), we talked to our daughters - who had been begging to go.  By the time we got through just a few of the stories, they were absolutely refusing to go.  Zoos are fine, staffed with zoologists and biologists, aquariums are fine with marine biologists, etc.  Marineland is just a concentration-camp for poor, defenceless creatures.



As I've already said, I am not going to bat for anyone (except maybe the other parents who apparently weren't even consulted, because rule by right of whine is an unfair process regardless of acceptable results); it is entirely possible that this specific place isn't suitable for a field trip.

But the coincidence that more reasonable people might also have a problem with this particular field trip doesn't justify *her* complaint or the fact that
she is trying to get the school board to enforce a ban on ALL similar field trips because she generally disapproves of holding animals in captivity. She wants your "zoos are fine" field trips disallowed too.
 
2014-03-26 10:23:47 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: KWess: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

She doesn't have the personal power so she's agitating for enforcement of her preferences by others, in the same way as people who try to get objectionable books or inconvenient science banned by the school board. Rather than asking to be allowed to opt out, she wants the entire activity banned for everyone.


Seriously, you've picked the wrong folks to go to bat for here...my wife and I took our kids to the Niagara region a couple of years ago.  After planning to go to Marineland, we started to read the reviews of the place (which is notorious not only for terrible animal abuse, but also for North Korea-esque levels of fun and convenience), we talked to our daughters - who had been begging to go.  By the time we got through just a few of the stories, they were absolutely refusing to go.  Zoos are fine, staffed with zoologists and biologists, aquariums are fine with marine biologists, etc.  Marineland is just a concentration-camp for poor, defenceless creatures.


As I've already said, I am not going to bat for anyone (except maybe the other parents who apparently weren't even consulted, because rule by right of whine is an unfair process regardless of acceptable results); it is entirely possible that this specific place isn't suitable for a field trip.

But the coincidence that more reasonable people might also have a problem with this particular field trip doesn't justify *her* complaint or the fact that she is trying to get the school board to enforce a ban on ALL similar field trips because she generally disapproves of holding animals in captivity. She wants your "zoos are fine" field trips disallowed too.


Can you show us where in the article she says she wanted all trips banned.  From what I see it's only for that one place.
 
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