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2014-03-25 07:31:19 AM  

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


I agree with you.  The park already has a history of neglecting its animals, why is this SO wrong?  While I am not a huge fan of zoos,  I don't have any issues with places that properly care for their animals.
 
2014-03-25 07:36:20 AM  

maram500: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.


Why don't YOU take up the call for human rights and abused children?  Then she can do the same for animals.  Did you RTFA?  The place is notorious for neglect of its animals.
 
2014-03-25 07:37:31 AM  

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


Can't we do both?
Some times you hit lulls in one project, so you have time to work on another. Like you're waiting on a part, so while your car restoration is just sitting, you can get around to painting the garage.

Same thing with people and animals. We can't do much about Somalia right now, so why not worry about some dolphins until we get a chance to sort that shiat out?
With the wars winding down, we've got at least 10 years before we can fire up another and go invade North Korea, so lets see what we can do about some giraffes.
 
2014-03-25 07:39:47 AM  

Somebody Else: But...what about the plants?


FREE THE PLANTS!


I've heard the screams of the vegetables

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM
 
2014-03-25 07:40:21 AM  
So, if mommy-poo's precious kids get really sick, we can assume she'll stick to her guns and not use any medicine that was tested on animals, right? (All medicines are tested on animals.)
 
2014-03-25 07:45:57 AM  

Boo_Guy: This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..




You're right about that. There were hideous problems with mass die offs and improper burials of the marine animals. Many staff members were quitting because of the deplorable treatment of the animals, unsanitary conditions, martinet supervisors.

I'm not a member of the Stoney Creek pucker butt society but I wouldn't take my kids there either.
 
2014-03-25 07:51:55 AM  

inclemency: Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.


Jesus Christ can you turn down the dial to 10 on your misogyny?!
 
2014-03-25 08:00:54 AM  

plushpuppy: I guess no zoo as well.


Done in one.
Now, I wonder if she will protest when her snowflakes get sent off to invade another country for freedom.

/why do you hate freedom?
 
2014-03-25 08:02:59 AM  
Typical liberal.  She should move to NY.  She would fit right in with the a-holes here ruining everything.
 
2014-03-25 08:05:20 AM  

Wolf892: but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us.


Zoos and aquariums are soon going to be the only place these animals live as they become extinct in the wild thanks to us. I don't enough about Marineland to say if they treat their animals decently but the future for many species are going to be confinement only.
 
2014-03-25 08:12:29 AM  
As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.
 
2014-03-25 08:13:33 AM  

damageddude: Wolf892: but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us.

Zoos and aquariums are soon going to be the only place these animals live as they become extinct in the wild thanks to us. I don't enough about Marineland to say if they treat their animals decently but the future for many species are going to be confinement only.


If you'd like to know more about Marineland, please control F to Boo-Guy, or damageddudes posts.  The future of many species is not going to be at that place.
 
2014-03-25 08:15:37 AM  
Wolf892:

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

She could have kept her own kids out of school that day, instead she went on a crusade and farked it up for everyone.  That makes her a biatch.
 
2014-03-25 08:16:23 AM  

eKonk: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
Yes, but this is a self-styled animal liberation activist who doesn't agree with keeping animals in captivity in the first place, so best case is that she's a blind nut who has found a squirrel.

Quite likely, but if the school agrees that she's right about this particular place (and it apparently does...), should it send the kids anyway?  It seems silly to refuse to do the right thing because a nutbag agrees with you.

I must admit, I know nothing about Marineland, but if it's one of the places that doesn't take proper care of its animals it should be run out of business. Zoos, Aquariums, etc. are expensive places to run properly, and if they're unable/unwilling to invest in caring for their animals they should not have them.



I'm not saying whether they should go or not, I don't know the place either. I'm just saying that even if the particular institution *is* so bad that they shouldn't go, that coincidence in no way justifies her animal liberation complaint or her attempts to get the school board to ban all field trips of this kind.
 
2014-03-25 08:21:53 AM  

Astorix: inclemency: Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.

Jesus Christ can you turn down the dial to 10 on your misogyny?!


I actually agree with him, these kind of parents are the worst kind there are right now. I remember in middle school plastic knives were banned from lunch one day, what happened is some retarded kid was caught trying to cut himself with a plastic knife, yes those picnic plastic knives are suddenly a health hazard (or actually Darwin weeding out the retarded ones). Here comes this biatch that needs Oxycotin, she actually argues at the next PTA meeting to get rid of the plastic forks as well! Why? Because they are DANGEROUS objects and she will not let her child be around something so dangerous. Guess what happens? Yep plastic forks were not served at the cafeteria  then.

On one funny note, the school decided "hey we don't gotta pay for this shiat anymore, so lets stop serving anything that needs a knife and fork all together so there isn't an issue!".

See where this is going? No kid had poked their eyes out yet, even if they did oh well a few rotten fruits do not mean the entire basket is bad.
 
2014-03-25 08:30:52 AM  

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Who wrote this order of priorities rule? You?

You just lost your right to refer to anyone else's words as "silly".
 
2014-03-25 08:33:06 AM  

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


Not all zoos and aquariums are bad...actually, many in the US are quite good and the animals are treated better than children.  Many of these animals could no longer live in the wild, or they simply have no place left in the wild due to deforestation, development and poachers in the first place.  Without the breeding and refuge programs set up by these zoos, many of these animals would already be extinct.  This woman could have simply left her kids out of the field trip if she had objections to it, but instead she ruined the trip for the entire class.  It's no different than someone who objects to the content of a book and instead of simply not letting her own children read it, she goes on a crusade to get it banned from the library so that NO ONE can read it.  She's a biatch, plain and simple.
 
2014-03-25 08:34:08 AM  
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" is pretty much the law of the land now.
 
2014-03-25 08:34:30 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.


So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area?

Brilliant.
 
2014-03-25 08:36:18 AM  
Good on her.
 
2014-03-25 08:38:44 AM  
t's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.

So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area
?


Quite often, yes.
 
2014-03-25 08:40:23 AM  

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


I like your style of human rights, hitting, screaming, and telling people we can get to animal rights after human rights. I guess as long as those rights are the way YOU want them, it's cool?
 
2014-03-25 08:43:26 AM  
Apparently, nobody in this world knows a damn thing about zoos anymore. Zoos are NOT there to say "hey...watch our animals do tricks for you!!!" They are actually there because most of those animals are highly endangered, injured, rescued, born while in the zoo. In many cases, after even a few months in a Zoo...these animals can no longer return to the wild, due to the fact that they have become accustomed to the daily feeding by caretakers.

Zoos also spend MASSIVE amounts of time and money on educating the public on these endangered animals. They show them how beautiful these animals are and why we SHOULD protect them.

But yes, by all means...go ahead and piss and moan about their treatment(which btw is multitudes better than we treat our own species) and we can all watch the endangered animals become extinct.
 
2014-03-25 08:43:39 AM  
GORDON:

She could have kept her own kids out of school that day, instead she went on a crusade and farked it up for everyone.  That makes her a biatch.

A letter written by a parent to a school = crusade?  Does that go for all letters to schools or just the ones you disagree with?
 
2014-03-25 08:43:45 AM  

AteMyBrain: drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.

So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area?

Brilliant.


Kids don't care about anything they can't see with their own eyes because they don't understand what they can't see...you have to help them learn empathy because they aren't born understanding what it's like to be anyone but themselves.  So yes, they won't care about animals unless they can see them up close and personal.
 
2014-03-25 08:52:46 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: eKonk: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
Yes, but this is a self-styled animal liberation activist who doesn't agree with keeping animals in captivity in the first place, so best case is that she's a blind nut who has found a squirrel.

Quite likely, but if the school agrees that she's right about this particular place (and it apparently does...), should it send the kids anyway?  It seems silly to refuse to do the right thing because a nutbag agrees with you.

I must admit, I know nothing about Marineland, but if it's one of the places that doesn't take proper care of its animals it should be run out of business. Zoos, Aquariums, etc. are expensive places to run properly, and if they're unable/unwilling to invest in caring for their animals they should not have them.


I'm not saying whether they should go or not, I don't know the place either. I'm just saying that even if the particular institution *is* so bad that they shouldn't go, that coincidence in no way justifies her animal liberation complaint or her attempts to get the school board to ban all field trips of this kind.


At the risk of being kicked off Fark for this, I actually agree with you on that.

However, I don't think her (seemilngly) general propensity towards being a biatch on a self-appointed crusade should mean she doesn't have a right to try and push her own agenda, or that the school should completely ignore her.  Perhaps the school should mostly ignore her, I don't know enough to judge here, but if she comes up with a good point I don't see any reason to ignore it out of spite.
 
2014-03-25 08:53:05 AM  

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


So as long as long as there is one child working for less than minimum wage anywhere in the world, mistreatment of animals shouldn't even be discussed.

A non-jackass would think, Gee, let's deal with more than one problem at the same time.
 
2014-03-25 08:55:31 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.


Snake thead?!?  Holy crap if snakes start building webs we're really farked.
 
2014-03-25 08:58:21 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.


FTW, Thread over! You win the internets!

I know I went to school in the 80s and 90s and all, but even on field trips to the state capital (in Baton Rouge) we still had to have permission slips filled out
 
2014-03-25 08:59:24 AM  

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


No.
 
2014-03-25 09:08:48 AM  

bborchar: AteMyBrain: drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.

So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area?

Brilliant.

Kids don't care about anything they can't see with their own eyes because they don't understand what they can't see...you have to help them learn empathy because they aren't born understanding what it's like to be anyone but themselves.  So yes, they won't care about animals unless they can see them up close and personal.


So let them watch it on film.  I learned a lot from that.
 
2014-03-25 09:10:40 AM  

Cold_Sassy: damageddude: Wolf892: but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us.

Zoos and aquariums are soon going to be the only place these animals live as they become extinct in the wild thanks to us. I don't enough about Marineland to say if they treat their animals decently but the future for many species are going to be confinement only.

If you'd like to know more about Marineland, please control F to Boo-Guy, or addicted  damageddudes posts.  The future of many species is not going to be at that place.


/FTFM
 
2014-03-25 09:11:04 AM  

maram500: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.


Contrary to what many people want us to believe, some beliefs are better than others.  This is one that should perhaps be forced, because too many people are too stupid to draw the conclusion themselves.  This is beneficial to the class of children because when they ask why they can't go to Marineland they will be told the answer, and thereby given something important to think about.
 
2014-03-25 09:15:58 AM  
maram500:

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.

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2014-03-25 09:19:25 AM  

Pattuq: maram500: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.

Contrary to what many people want us to believe, some beliefs are better than others.  This is one that should perhaps be forced, because too many people are too stupid to draw the conclusion themselves.  This is beneficial to the class of children because when they ask why they can't go to Marineland they will be told the answer, and thereby given something important to think about.


You don't believe in the things I do because you're too stupid, so you must be forced to believe in them?
 
2014-03-25 09:20:22 AM  
Sure, but try this with humans and they call you despicable.
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2014-03-25 09:21:28 AM  
i would gladly kill any animal on the planet to save me/my family . that means animal testing / food and any other thing these people feel is against " animal rights " . im not for torturing needlessly but if it means my kids/me can safely take meds or products or even eat , so be it . they were put here for us ..

and to the same the same idiots saying otherwise ....is everything in your controllable environment an animal free zone ? meaning any product/food animal free 100% ? if not STFU , thanks , sincerely the rest of us .
 
2014-03-25 09:22:43 AM  

CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.


This is true. I hesitate to Godwin the argument, but the parallels between Marineland and that camp where you knocked out the classical music for the visiting dignitaries or it was lampshade time are numerous and accurate.

"NO, Shamu, through the flaming hoop or no farking herring!" (CHOMP!)
 
2014-03-25 09:23:44 AM  

turnkey: Arumat: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

I respect animals more than humans already.

I hear this opinion more and more all the time.

It's a ridiculous feeling/ideology/philosophy, but whatever, I don't feel like typing out an essay of why.

But, I will ask:
Why do (other species of) animals deserve more respect than humans?
Do you respect animals more than yourself?


Well, for starters, other animals don't whine like little biatches on the internet.
 
2014-03-25 09:28:49 AM  
Good lord. The stupid in this thread is overwhelming.  God forbid anyone try to change anything for the better, ever.  "Just shut up and stop making waves biatch, because this is how its always been and nobody else has asked the difficult questions yet".

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Yeah... Think about that for a second.  By your standard, we'll still be allowed to torture animals for fun (ie Marineland) until total human equality and justice are achieved.  In other words. For ever.  That is truly one of the thickest arguments people make and frankly its usually because they're intellectually and empathetically lazy and don't want to do sweet fark all about ANYTHING, for humans or animals.
 
2014-03-25 09:34:39 AM  

phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...


False dychotomy.


eiger: 1. An "amusement" park with animals has been shown to be pretty bad about mistreating them.

2. A school plans a field trip to it.

3. A parent e-mails the teacher and brings to her attention the issue and suggests it might not be the best place to take the kids.

4. The teacher agrees and cancels the trip.

5. This, for some reason, becomes news.

I really fail to see the problem here, at all. Even if you're one of those assholes who think animals should be treated any way whatsoever, you must realize you're in the minority and even most non-animals rights activists have limits to what they think is ok.


This.  My familly has been to Marineland in the past, but I always refused to sit in on the performances. I cannot imagine being entertained by animal cruelty. What next ? should we bring back bear baiting ?
 
2014-03-25 09:34:50 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.


This.
 
2014-03-25 09:37:53 AM  

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


How dare you imply that it's more important to fix human rights before we fix our environmental problems? Or my bruised toenail?
 
2014-03-25 09:53:44 AM  

Wolf892: I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress


Animal rehabilitation centers are just another human attempt to control nature in order to make some people feel better about themselves. If a bird or a deer is injured they are supposed to become food for other animals rather than spread their weak and sickly genes on down the line.
 
2014-03-25 09:58:38 AM  

John Buck 41: Hermione_Granger: Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.

This.


If it were a zoo or an actual aquarium, yes. If it's as controversial a place as this appears to be (you might want to have a look at the documentary Blackfish, which is similar), I think it's completely appropriate for the parent to send an email *asking* to change the event.

And, there's an honest to God aquarium in the area. Have a look at  http://www.marinelandcanada.com/  and at  http://www.aquariumofniagara.org/  and tell me which one is focussed on education and which is focussed on making preteen girls squeal.
 
2014-03-25 10:01:24 AM  

dersk: And, there's an honest to God aquarium in the area. Have a look at http://www.marinelandcanada.com/ and at http://www.aquariumofniagara.org/ and tell me which one is focussed on education and which is focussed on making preteen girls squeal.


The other aquarium is in NY which would make it an international school trip.
 
2014-03-25 10:06:47 AM  

RTOGUY: dersk: And, there's an honest to God aquarium in the area. Have a look at http://www.marinelandcanada.com/ and at http://www.aquariumofniagara.org/ and tell me which one is focussed on education and which is focussed on making preteen girls squeal.

The other aquarium is in NY which would make it an international school trip.


Ah, fair enough. Not much of an option these days, then. Wasn't so much of an issue back in the 80s - now I'm wondering how my choir crossed the border when we went on tour in Canada in '83! I certainly wouldn't have had a passport or a driver's license (I was in 8th grade), or any other photo ID...
 
2014-03-25 10:27:14 AM  

plushpuppy: I guess no zoo as well.


Marinelands is an evil crap hole with a reputation for poor treatment of it's animals.

The Toronto Zoo is an example of working to use zoo born animals or rescues and provide close proximnaxtions of natural environments.

The small swimming pools at Marineland are not Oceans in any way.
 
2014-03-25 10:29:54 AM  

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Not a multi-tasker eh?
 
2014-03-25 10:49:20 AM  
A friend I was visiting took me to this particular Marineland probably ten years ago. We had a good time and the animals seemed alright.

I would much rather visit a zoo or marine park than an arboretum.
 
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