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2014-03-25 12:56:43 AM
I guess no zoo as well.
 
2014-03-25 04:44:31 AM
FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.
 
2014-03-25 04:48:31 AM
"Instead of Marineland, students will be going to the Royal Botanical Gardens."

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2014-03-25 04:50:20 AM
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2014-03-25 04:52:20 AM
I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.
 
2014-03-25 04:53:59 AM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.
 
2014-03-25 04:54:08 AM

maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.


What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?
 
2014-03-25 04:56:02 AM

profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?


I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?
 
2014-03-25 05:00:24 AM

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


I respect animals more than humans already.
 
2014-03-25 05:01:09 AM

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Yes, I'm sure the mother is totally against human rights, or maybe the school just hasn't set up a field trip that let's her express her feelings on the matter.

Field trips to sweat shops and human trafficking centers are few and far between.
 
2014-03-25 05:02:04 AM

maram500: This is the latter.


I don't know what article you read, but this one says she emailed a teacher and the teacher agreed to change the plan. Is there another version with like protest and threats of violence or something? Where does the "forcing" come in?
 
2014-03-25 05:03:33 AM

maram500: If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


I'd like to treat people AND animals better, and I see the two goals as interrelated and mutually supportive. Why do you believe those goals are contradictory?
 
2014-03-25 05:07:39 AM
Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.
 
2014-03-25 05:07:53 AM
What a Hamilton mom may look like:

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or perhaps:
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2014-03-25 05:10:15 AM

jaybeezey: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

Yes, I'm sure the mother is totally against human rights, or maybe the school just hasn't set up a field trip that let's her express her feelings on the matter.

Field trips to sweat shops and human trafficking centers are few and far between.


Bullshiat! We stopped at McDonald's on a field trip.
 
2014-03-25 05:11:37 AM
"Instead of Marineland, students will be going to the Royal Botanical Gardens Abattoir."
 
2014-03-25 05:24:29 AM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.
 
2014-03-25 05:25:20 AM

Arumat: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

I respect animals more than humans already.


I hear this opinion more and more all the time.

It's a ridiculous feeling/ideology/philosophy, but whatever, I don't feel like typing out an essay of why.

But, I will ask:
Why do (other species of) animals deserve more respect than humans?
Do you respect animals more than yourself?
 
2014-03-25 05:25:32 AM

Wolf892: where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


You mean like your pets?
 
2014-03-25 05:27:52 AM
This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..
 
2014-03-25 05:32:19 AM
So observing actual animals serves no educational purpose? Guess it is time for schools to start charting boats and planing safari trips for their 2nd graders.

For kids, observing animals in a zoo or aquarium is the best way for the kids to do it. They get to see animals that you could never see in person unless you spent several thousand dollars and traveled tens of thousands of miles. Plus it makes learning a little bit fun.

Why make all of the other kids miss out on what could be a great experience for them just because you don't want your kids going? Just have them stay at the school, or better yet, just keep them at home that day. We have way too many people who feel the world should bow to their wants and desires. This is just another one.
 
2014-03-25 05:32:30 AM
Are schools not just people zoos?
At least they hadn't told the students yet, or her kids would probably be in for a butt whooping
/See Jimmy? This is how animals in zoos are treated. You should be proud
 
2014-03-25 05:33:18 AM
But...what about the plants?


FREE THE PLANTS!
 
2014-03-25 05:33:25 AM

turnkey: Arumat: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

I respect animals more than humans already.

I hear this opinion more and more all the time.

It's a ridiculous feeling/ideology/philosophy, but whatever, I don't feel like typing out an essay of why.

But, I will ask:
Why do (other species of) animals deserve more respect than humans?
Do you respect animals more than yourself?


In my (admittedly limited) dealings with animals, if I was bitten or otherwise injured it was usually my own fault.  I've been screwed by plenty of humans for no discernible reason whatsoever.  At least the humans should know better.

As to the second question, while I don't think very highly of myself, I'd say it's probably about even.  I'm not vegan or vegetarian or anything like that, but I don't go out of my way to harm animals either.  I just find that most humans aren't worthy of much respect; be they stupid, ignorant, hypocritical (myself included), or outright malicious.
 
2014-03-25 05:40:55 AM
Bah I can't find the one from The Star newspaper that started it all but here are two others from their coverage on it;

"The Niagara Falls tourist attraction has dug pits for decades to dispose of its animals, using heavy machinery to cover them up, according to former staffers.  There are four mass graves, two of them containing "more than 1,000 animals," said Marineland's former land animal supervisor Jim Hammond."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/12/20/marineland_environment _m inistry_launches_probe_into_mass_animal_graves.html

"Kelly's last shift was last Tuesday.  In a Star report on Wednesday, eight former Marineland employees told of recurring water problems at the park that left animals sick and suffering fur loss, skin conditions and eye problems, including blindness."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/08/20/former_marineland_staf f_ sickened_by_parks_explanations.html
 
2014-03-25 05:44:50 AM

maram500: Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


Seriously? I guess those animals are farked then.
 
2014-03-25 05:47:55 AM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


because the less people know about other forms of life, the less anyone cares
 
2014-03-25 05:51:33 AM
I think I found the original article that started off all this crap for marineland;

"Larry lies behind bars in a pen, his eyes red and swollen. The harbour seal with "an amazing little personality" who arrived at Marineland about eight years ago is now a shadow of his former self. After repeated exposure to unhealthy water, he has gone blind."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/08/15/marineland_animals_suf fe ring_former_staffers_say.html

This woman isn't just some animal crackpot,  a lot of people around this place are boycotting it after these stories from The Star.  The place is a shiat hole and if I had kids I wouldn't want them going there either.
 
2014-03-25 05:52:24 AM

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


So ? Never ?

This is the kind of thought that was used to postpone all progress on Earth, including on fellow human beings.

Humanity can multitask, you know.
 
2014-03-25 05:55:51 AM

JSam21: For kids, observing animals in a zoo or aquarium is the best way for the kids to do it. They get to see animals that you could never see in person unless you spent several thousand dollars and traveled tens of thousands of miles. Plus it makes learning a little bit fun.


Which is all fine, but not all zoos are the same. Some are run with the animals' welfare at heart while some are commercial ventures which treat their animals appallingly. I don't see any reason why schools should support the latter sort.
 
2014-03-25 05:56:56 AM
I know some zoos and aquariums should probably be shut down but they're not all bad. There are a lot of animals that would be extinct but aren't because of zoos.
The California Condor comes to mind.
 
2014-03-25 06:00:44 AM

Boo_Guy: This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..



Yes, but this is a self-styled animal liberation activist who doesn't agree with keeping animals in captivity in the first place, so best case is that she's a blind nut who has found a squirrel.


profplump: maram500: This is the latter.

I don't know what article you read, but this one says she emailed a teacher and the teacher agreed to change the plan. Is there another version with like protest and threats of violence or something? Where does the "forcing" come in?


She doesn't have the personal power so she's agitating for enforcement of her preferences by others, in the same way as people who try to get objectionable books or inconvenient science banned by the school board. Rather than asking to be allowed to opt out, she wants the entire activity banned for everyone.
 
2014-03-25 06:11:49 AM

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


How about hitting them with the water sprayer?
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2014-03-25 06:13:17 AM
I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...
 
2014-03-25 06:20:56 AM
Guess they'll have to change their jingle now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHby5tMgAWc
 
2014-03-25 06:28:55 AM
This Marineland place sounds pretty nasty, and I sure as hell wouldn't want my kids going there. I don't think they'd learn anything other than new and exciting ways in which to make animals suffer.
 
2014-03-25 06:37:52 AM
"Everyone laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhvs Marineland!"

Great. Now I've got that stuck in my head.
 
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2014-03-25 06:55:10 AM

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


Exactly.
 
2014-03-25 06:56:21 AM

Wolf892: I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


Now, I hate forcing animals to do 'tricks' for us (e.g. elephants, orcas), but Zoos and Aquariums provide people with access to animals that they'd never know about. They ARE educational. Teaching them about them gives them something to care about and conserve.  Case in point: I'm a ecologist now because someone fostered my interest in animals when I was a child (an after school Zoo educational program). Not only that many Zoos and Aquariums are involved in important scientific and conservation work.

That said, places like SeaWorld can eat a bag of dicks.
 
2014-03-25 07:09:11 AM
Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.
 
2014-03-25 07:13:21 AM
You want to save animals? Stop contributing to global climate change otherwise everything is farked anyways.

/lady has good intentions but the effort is misplaced
 
2014-03-25 07:13:52 AM

phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...


Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.
 
2014-03-25 07:14:28 AM
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
Yes, but this is a self-styled animal liberation activist who doesn't agree with keeping animals in captivity in the first place, so best case is that she's a blind nut who has found a squirrel.

Quite likely, but if the school agrees that she's right about this particular place (and it apparently does...), should it send the kids anyway?  It seems silly to refuse to do the right thing because a nutbag agrees with you.

I must admit, I know nothing about Marineland, but if it's one of the places that doesn't take proper care of its animals it should be run out of business. Zoos, Aquariums, etc. are expensive places to run properly, and if they're unable/unwilling to invest in caring for their animals they should not have them.
 
2014-03-25 07:15:44 AM
1. An "amusement" park with animals has been shown to be pretty bad about mistreating them.

2. A school plans a field trip to it.

3. A parent e-mails the teacher and brings to her attention the issue and suggests it might not be the best place to take the kids.

4. The teacher agrees and cancels the trip.

5. This, for some reason, becomes news.

I really fail to see the problem here, at all. Even if you're one of those assholes who think animals should be treated any way whatsoever, you must realize you're in the minority and even most non-animals rights activists have limits to what they think is ok.
 
2014-03-25 07:17:44 AM
Actually... in this one case, hippy-mom may not be so far off-base.

Marineland Ontario doesn't exactly meet zoo standards.  Its not even an animalarium or a menagerie.

Last year, staff went public about poor treatment of animals (we're talkin' deer and bear here, not a couple of goldfish).  Then the Ministry of the Environment found over 1,000 animals buried illegally in mass graves on-site and started laying charges.  The place is a miserable hell hole and should be wiped off the face of the earth.
 
2014-03-25 07:17:44 AM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


It's silly because you don't "pass those values on" by shielding your kid from the experience.  You pass on the value of Das Verbotten, a value of authoritarianism, and a value of forcing your beliefs on others.  And the value that they are special and that their beliefs trump others beliefs.

Want to pass the value on that zoos are bad?  Talk to you kids like adults about the nature of incarceration, and buy a family dog.  By the end of the month, if your son or daughter isn't asking why we don't let the dog run free in the wild, there's probably something wrong with them.

But you could go around making other people unhappy for your own edification if you want.
 
2014-03-25 07:17:53 AM

Arumat: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

I respect animals more than humans already.

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Of course you do because animals are easy; humans are complicated.
 
2014-03-25 07:20:32 AM

inclemency: Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.


My god, you really are terrified of women.
 
2014-03-25 07:21:59 AM

gulogulo: Wolf892: I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

Now, I hate forcing animals to do 'tricks' for us (e.g. elephants, orcas), but Zoos and Aquariums provide people with access to animals that they'd never know about. They ARE educational. Teaching them about them gives them something to care about and conserve.  Case in point: I'm a ecologist now because someone fostered my interest in animals when I was a child (an after school Zoo educational program). Not only that many Zoos and Aquariums are involved in important scientific and conservation work.

That said, places like SeaWorld can eat a bag of dicks.


Worth noting is that this phenomenon of educational zoos and aquariums is relatively recent.  We've been confining animals for entertainment forever.  Imagine roman Colosseum where there was a 6 hour daily agenda of rare animal slaughter on the docket for every roman citizen to enjoy...  We've only just started trying to confine animals in a way that lets them act like themselves.  I think the move was in the 50s and 60s, and started with Gorillas.

Can't learn much about Gorillas when they are depressed, living in a 20x10 concrete box, and smearing their feces on the walls because it's literally the only natural thing they have to interact with, apart from themselves.

We've gotten better.  I think it can continue to get better.
 
2014-03-25 07:30:37 AM

Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.


I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.
 
2014-03-25 07:31:19 AM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


I agree with you.  The park already has a history of neglecting its animals, why is this SO wrong?  While I am not a huge fan of zoos,  I don't have any issues with places that properly care for their animals.
 
2014-03-25 07:36:20 AM

maram500: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.


Why don't YOU take up the call for human rights and abused children?  Then she can do the same for animals.  Did you RTFA?  The place is notorious for neglect of its animals.
 
2014-03-25 07:37:31 AM

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


Can't we do both?
Some times you hit lulls in one project, so you have time to work on another. Like you're waiting on a part, so while your car restoration is just sitting, you can get around to painting the garage.

Same thing with people and animals. We can't do much about Somalia right now, so why not worry about some dolphins until we get a chance to sort that shiat out?
With the wars winding down, we've got at least 10 years before we can fire up another and go invade North Korea, so lets see what we can do about some giraffes.
 
2014-03-25 07:39:47 AM

Somebody Else: But...what about the plants?


FREE THE PLANTS!


I've heard the screams of the vegetables

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM
 
2014-03-25 07:40:21 AM
So, if mommy-poo's precious kids get really sick, we can assume she'll stick to her guns and not use any medicine that was tested on animals, right? (All medicines are tested on animals.)
 
2014-03-25 07:45:57 AM

Boo_Guy: This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..




You're right about that. There were hideous problems with mass die offs and improper burials of the marine animals. Many staff members were quitting because of the deplorable treatment of the animals, unsanitary conditions, martinet supervisors.

I'm not a member of the Stoney Creek pucker butt society but I wouldn't take my kids there either.
 
2014-03-25 07:51:55 AM

inclemency: Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.


Jesus Christ can you turn down the dial to 10 on your misogyny?!
 
2014-03-25 08:00:54 AM

plushpuppy: I guess no zoo as well.


Done in one.
Now, I wonder if she will protest when her snowflakes get sent off to invade another country for freedom.

/why do you hate freedom?
 
2014-03-25 08:02:59 AM
Typical liberal.  She should move to NY.  She would fit right in with the a-holes here ruining everything.
 
2014-03-25 08:05:20 AM

Wolf892: but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us.


Zoos and aquariums are soon going to be the only place these animals live as they become extinct in the wild thanks to us. I don't enough about Marineland to say if they treat their animals decently but the future for many species are going to be confinement only.
 
2014-03-25 08:12:29 AM
As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.
 
2014-03-25 08:13:33 AM

damageddude: Wolf892: but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us.

Zoos and aquariums are soon going to be the only place these animals live as they become extinct in the wild thanks to us. I don't enough about Marineland to say if they treat their animals decently but the future for many species are going to be confinement only.


If you'd like to know more about Marineland, please control F to Boo-Guy, or damageddudes posts.  The future of many species is not going to be at that place.
 
2014-03-25 08:15:37 AM
Wolf892:

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

She could have kept her own kids out of school that day, instead she went on a crusade and farked it up for everyone.  That makes her a biatch.
 
2014-03-25 08:16:23 AM

eKonk: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
Yes, but this is a self-styled animal liberation activist who doesn't agree with keeping animals in captivity in the first place, so best case is that she's a blind nut who has found a squirrel.

Quite likely, but if the school agrees that she's right about this particular place (and it apparently does...), should it send the kids anyway?  It seems silly to refuse to do the right thing because a nutbag agrees with you.

I must admit, I know nothing about Marineland, but if it's one of the places that doesn't take proper care of its animals it should be run out of business. Zoos, Aquariums, etc. are expensive places to run properly, and if they're unable/unwilling to invest in caring for their animals they should not have them.



I'm not saying whether they should go or not, I don't know the place either. I'm just saying that even if the particular institution *is* so bad that they shouldn't go, that coincidence in no way justifies her animal liberation complaint or her attempts to get the school board to ban all field trips of this kind.
 
2014-03-25 08:21:53 AM

Astorix: inclemency: Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.

Jesus Christ can you turn down the dial to 10 on your misogyny?!


I actually agree with him, these kind of parents are the worst kind there are right now. I remember in middle school plastic knives were banned from lunch one day, what happened is some retarded kid was caught trying to cut himself with a plastic knife, yes those picnic plastic knives are suddenly a health hazard (or actually Darwin weeding out the retarded ones). Here comes this biatch that needs Oxycotin, she actually argues at the next PTA meeting to get rid of the plastic forks as well! Why? Because they are DANGEROUS objects and she will not let her child be around something so dangerous. Guess what happens? Yep plastic forks were not served at the cafeteria  then.

On one funny note, the school decided "hey we don't gotta pay for this shiat anymore, so lets stop serving anything that needs a knife and fork all together so there isn't an issue!".

See where this is going? No kid had poked their eyes out yet, even if they did oh well a few rotten fruits do not mean the entire basket is bad.
 
2014-03-25 08:30:52 AM

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Who wrote this order of priorities rule? You?

You just lost your right to refer to anyone else's words as "silly".
 
2014-03-25 08:33:06 AM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


Not all zoos and aquariums are bad...actually, many in the US are quite good and the animals are treated better than children.  Many of these animals could no longer live in the wild, or they simply have no place left in the wild due to deforestation, development and poachers in the first place.  Without the breeding and refuge programs set up by these zoos, many of these animals would already be extinct.  This woman could have simply left her kids out of the field trip if she had objections to it, but instead she ruined the trip for the entire class.  It's no different than someone who objects to the content of a book and instead of simply not letting her own children read it, she goes on a crusade to get it banned from the library so that NO ONE can read it.  She's a biatch, plain and simple.
 
2014-03-25 08:34:08 AM
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease" is pretty much the law of the land now.
 
2014-03-25 08:34:30 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.


So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area?

Brilliant.
 
2014-03-25 08:36:18 AM
Good on her.
 
2014-03-25 08:38:44 AM
t's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.

So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area
?


Quite often, yes.
 
2014-03-25 08:40:23 AM

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


I like your style of human rights, hitting, screaming, and telling people we can get to animal rights after human rights. I guess as long as those rights are the way YOU want them, it's cool?
 
2014-03-25 08:43:26 AM
Apparently, nobody in this world knows a damn thing about zoos anymore. Zoos are NOT there to say "hey...watch our animals do tricks for you!!!" They are actually there because most of those animals are highly endangered, injured, rescued, born while in the zoo. In many cases, after even a few months in a Zoo...these animals can no longer return to the wild, due to the fact that they have become accustomed to the daily feeding by caretakers.

Zoos also spend MASSIVE amounts of time and money on educating the public on these endangered animals. They show them how beautiful these animals are and why we SHOULD protect them.

But yes, by all means...go ahead and piss and moan about their treatment(which btw is multitudes better than we treat our own species) and we can all watch the endangered animals become extinct.
 
2014-03-25 08:43:39 AM
GORDON:

She could have kept her own kids out of school that day, instead she went on a crusade and farked it up for everyone.  That makes her a biatch.

A letter written by a parent to a school = crusade?  Does that go for all letters to schools or just the ones you disagree with?
 
2014-03-25 08:43:45 AM

AteMyBrain: drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.

So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area?

Brilliant.


Kids don't care about anything they can't see with their own eyes because they don't understand what they can't see...you have to help them learn empathy because they aren't born understanding what it's like to be anyone but themselves.  So yes, they won't care about animals unless they can see them up close and personal.
 
2014-03-25 08:52:46 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: eKonk: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
Yes, but this is a self-styled animal liberation activist who doesn't agree with keeping animals in captivity in the first place, so best case is that she's a blind nut who has found a squirrel.

Quite likely, but if the school agrees that she's right about this particular place (and it apparently does...), should it send the kids anyway?  It seems silly to refuse to do the right thing because a nutbag agrees with you.

I must admit, I know nothing about Marineland, but if it's one of the places that doesn't take proper care of its animals it should be run out of business. Zoos, Aquariums, etc. are expensive places to run properly, and if they're unable/unwilling to invest in caring for their animals they should not have them.


I'm not saying whether they should go or not, I don't know the place either. I'm just saying that even if the particular institution *is* so bad that they shouldn't go, that coincidence in no way justifies her animal liberation complaint or her attempts to get the school board to ban all field trips of this kind.


At the risk of being kicked off Fark for this, I actually agree with you on that.

However, I don't think her (seemilngly) general propensity towards being a biatch on a self-appointed crusade should mean she doesn't have a right to try and push her own agenda, or that the school should completely ignore her.  Perhaps the school should mostly ignore her, I don't know enough to judge here, but if she comes up with a good point I don't see any reason to ignore it out of spite.
 
2014-03-25 08:53:05 AM

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


So as long as long as there is one child working for less than minimum wage anywhere in the world, mistreatment of animals shouldn't even be discussed.

A non-jackass would think, Gee, let's deal with more than one problem at the same time.
 
2014-03-25 08:55:31 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.


Snake thead?!?  Holy crap if snakes start building webs we're really farked.
 
2014-03-25 08:58:21 AM

Hermione_Granger: Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.


FTW, Thread over! You win the internets!

I know I went to school in the 80s and 90s and all, but even on field trips to the state capital (in Baton Rouge) we still had to have permission slips filled out
 
2014-03-25 08:59:24 AM

maram500: I bet Mrs Jamieson is the idiotic kind of nature-loving animal rights "activist" who hasnt given a single thought to the rights of malnourished, mistreated, harmed and abused children. Or human rights.

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.


No.
 
2014-03-25 09:08:48 AM

bborchar: AteMyBrain: drjekel_mrhyde: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

It's human nature not to give one shiat about anything outside of your circle. We do it to each other every farking day. By these kids not being able to at least look at one up close and personal they won't care in the future. You see that on hear anytime a snake or spider thread come up.

So, kids won't care about animals unless they physically see that animal up close in an enclosed area?

Brilliant.

Kids don't care about anything they can't see with their own eyes because they don't understand what they can't see...you have to help them learn empathy because they aren't born understanding what it's like to be anyone but themselves.  So yes, they won't care about animals unless they can see them up close and personal.


So let them watch it on film.  I learned a lot from that.
 
2014-03-25 09:10:40 AM

Cold_Sassy: damageddude: Wolf892: but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us.

Zoos and aquariums are soon going to be the only place these animals live as they become extinct in the wild thanks to us. I don't enough about Marineland to say if they treat their animals decently but the future for many species are going to be confinement only.

If you'd like to know more about Marineland, please control F to Boo-Guy, or addicted  damageddudes posts.  The future of many species is not going to be at that place.


/FTFM
 
2014-03-25 09:11:04 AM

maram500: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.


Contrary to what many people want us to believe, some beliefs are better than others.  This is one that should perhaps be forced, because too many people are too stupid to draw the conclusion themselves.  This is beneficial to the class of children because when they ask why they can't go to Marineland they will be told the answer, and thereby given something important to think about.
 
2014-03-25 09:15:58 AM
maram500:

Every time I hear about someone advocating for animal rights, I want to smack them with a rolled-up newspaper and scream at them that we can get to animal rights AFTER we solve all the problems with human rights.

www.austinchronicle.com
Sorry guys.  We'll get to you later.
 
2014-03-25 09:19:25 AM

Pattuq: maram500: Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

There is a huge difference between passing on your beliefs and forcibly shoving them down the throats of everyone around you.

This is the latter.

Contrary to what many people want us to believe, some beliefs are better than others.  This is one that should perhaps be forced, because too many people are too stupid to draw the conclusion themselves.  This is beneficial to the class of children because when they ask why they can't go to Marineland they will be told the answer, and thereby given something important to think about.


You don't believe in the things I do because you're too stupid, so you must be forced to believe in them?
 
2014-03-25 09:20:22 AM
Sure, but try this with humans and they call you despicable.
www.keysmashblog.com
 
2014-03-25 09:21:28 AM
i would gladly kill any animal on the planet to save me/my family . that means animal testing / food and any other thing these people feel is against " animal rights " . im not for torturing needlessly but if it means my kids/me can safely take meds or products or even eat , so be it . they were put here for us ..

and to the same the same idiots saying otherwise ....is everything in your controllable environment an animal free zone ? meaning any product/food animal free 100% ? if not STFU , thanks , sincerely the rest of us .
 
2014-03-25 09:22:43 AM

CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.


This is true. I hesitate to Godwin the argument, but the parallels between Marineland and that camp where you knocked out the classical music for the visiting dignitaries or it was lampshade time are numerous and accurate.

"NO, Shamu, through the flaming hoop or no farking herring!" (CHOMP!)
 
2014-03-25 09:23:44 AM

turnkey: Arumat: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

I respect animals more than humans already.

I hear this opinion more and more all the time.

It's a ridiculous feeling/ideology/philosophy, but whatever, I don't feel like typing out an essay of why.

But, I will ask:
Why do (other species of) animals deserve more respect than humans?
Do you respect animals more than yourself?


Well, for starters, other animals don't whine like little biatches on the internet.
 
2014-03-25 09:28:49 AM
Good lord. The stupid in this thread is overwhelming.  God forbid anyone try to change anything for the better, ever.  "Just shut up and stop making waves biatch, because this is how its always been and nobody else has asked the difficult questions yet".

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Yeah... Think about that for a second.  By your standard, we'll still be allowed to torture animals for fun (ie Marineland) until total human equality and justice are achieved.  In other words. For ever.  That is truly one of the thickest arguments people make and frankly its usually because they're intellectually and empathetically lazy and don't want to do sweet fark all about ANYTHING, for humans or animals.
 
2014-03-25 09:34:39 AM

phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...


False dychotomy.


eiger: 1. An "amusement" park with animals has been shown to be pretty bad about mistreating them.

2. A school plans a field trip to it.

3. A parent e-mails the teacher and brings to her attention the issue and suggests it might not be the best place to take the kids.

4. The teacher agrees and cancels the trip.

5. This, for some reason, becomes news.

I really fail to see the problem here, at all. Even if you're one of those assholes who think animals should be treated any way whatsoever, you must realize you're in the minority and even most non-animals rights activists have limits to what they think is ok.


This.  My familly has been to Marineland in the past, but I always refused to sit in on the performances. I cannot imagine being entertained by animal cruelty. What next ? should we bring back bear baiting ?
 
2014-03-25 09:34:50 AM

Hermione_Granger: Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.


This.
 
2014-03-25 09:37:53 AM

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


How dare you imply that it's more important to fix human rights before we fix our environmental problems? Or my bruised toenail?
 
2014-03-25 09:53:44 AM

Wolf892: I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress


Animal rehabilitation centers are just another human attempt to control nature in order to make some people feel better about themselves. If a bird or a deer is injured they are supposed to become food for other animals rather than spread their weak and sickly genes on down the line.
 
2014-03-25 09:58:38 AM

John Buck 41: Hermione_Granger: Usually I'm on the side of parents but in this case I think she's wrong.

She has the right to forbid her own children from going, but not others. That's what they make permission slips for.

This.


If it were a zoo or an actual aquarium, yes. If it's as controversial a place as this appears to be (you might want to have a look at the documentary Blackfish, which is similar), I think it's completely appropriate for the parent to send an email *asking* to change the event.

And, there's an honest to God aquarium in the area. Have a look at  http://www.marinelandcanada.com/  and at  http://www.aquariumofniagara.org/  and tell me which one is focussed on education and which is focussed on making preteen girls squeal.
 
2014-03-25 10:01:24 AM

dersk: And, there's an honest to God aquarium in the area. Have a look at http://www.marinelandcanada.com/ and at http://www.aquariumofniagara.org/ and tell me which one is focussed on education and which is focussed on making preteen girls squeal.


The other aquarium is in NY which would make it an international school trip.
 
2014-03-25 10:06:47 AM

RTOGUY: dersk: And, there's an honest to God aquarium in the area. Have a look at http://www.marinelandcanada.com/ and at http://www.aquariumofniagara.org/ and tell me which one is focussed on education and which is focussed on making preteen girls squeal.

The other aquarium is in NY which would make it an international school trip.


Ah, fair enough. Not much of an option these days, then. Wasn't so much of an issue back in the 80s - now I'm wondering how my choir crossed the border when we went on tour in Canada in '83! I certainly wouldn't have had a passport or a driver's license (I was in 8th grade), or any other photo ID...
 
2014-03-25 10:27:14 AM

plushpuppy: I guess no zoo as well.


Marinelands is an evil crap hole with a reputation for poor treatment of it's animals.

The Toronto Zoo is an example of working to use zoo born animals or rescues and provide close proximnaxtions of natural environments.

The small swimming pools at Marineland are not Oceans in any way.
 
2014-03-25 10:29:54 AM

maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?


Not a multi-tasker eh?
 
2014-03-25 10:49:20 AM
A friend I was visiting took me to this particular Marineland probably ten years ago. We had a good time and the animals seemed alright.

I would much rather visit a zoo or marine park than an arboretum.
 
2014-03-25 10:50:02 AM

Big_Doofus: Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.

I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.


I actually didn't mean anything nor did I choose a side, I'm just saying that it's not contradictory to eat steak and still feel that keeping marine mammals captive for entertainment is wrong.  The reverse is also true.  They are different issues.
 
2014-03-25 10:52:47 AM

Egoy3k: Big_Doofus: Egoy3k: phrawgh: I'm cool with this lady and her strongly held convictions as long as this lady and her family do not: eat meat or dairy, wear leather, use cosmetics or medicines, have pets, use plastic bags, use any form of transport employing tires, watch fireworks, use sugar, and a myriad of other things...

Confining animals for human entertainment and consuming animals for human uses are two different things and it's entirely possible to be OK with one and against the other.

I know right? Consuming animals is so much worse! Oh wait, that's not what you meant.

Seriously, lady needs to mind her own business. If she doesn't want her kids to go, fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else. If I happened to be a parent at that school, I think I would pull my kids out on the day the field trip was supposed to happen and take them myself.

I actually didn't mean anything nor did I choose a side, I'm just saying that it's not contradictory to eat steak and still feel that keeping marine mammals captive for entertainment is wrong.  The reverse is also true.  They are different issues.


This vegetarian who thinks that controlled animal testing of medicines is a good idea agrees with you.
 
2014-03-25 10:59:21 AM

jimmy-kray: "Instead of Marineland, students will be going to the Royal Botanical Gardens."

[www.reactiongifs.com image 160x160]


Came here to post that sentence, bwahahahahahahaha
 
2014-03-25 11:02:41 AM

excellent average: You want to save animals? Stop contributing to global climate change otherwise everything is farked anyways.

/lady has good intentions but the effort is misplaced


Might want to check urban heat island statistics before you throw "zomg we're the reason" into this thread. Your global warming god is false.
 
2014-03-25 11:07:42 AM
Mommy's about 10% biatch in this case, I'll give her a pass for her remark about captivity being inherently inhumane. Her bigger crusade is wanting the school to ban trips to MarineHell specifically, not zoos in general, because that one place is such an awful place.
 
2014-03-25 11:10:21 AM
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

She doesn't have the personal power so she's agitating for enforcement of her preferences by others, in the same way as people who try to get objectionable books or inconvenient science banned by the school board. Rather than asking to be allowed to opt out, she wants the entire activity banned for everyone.


Seriously, you've picked the wrong folks to go to bat for here...my wife and I took our kids to the Niagara region a couple of years ago.  After planning to go to Marineland, we started to read the reviews of the place (which is notorious not only for terrible animal abuse, but also for North Korea-esque levels of fun and convenience), we talked to our daughters - who had been begging to go.  By the time we got through just a few of the stories, they were absolutely refusing to go.  Zoos are fine, staffed with zoologists and biologists, aquariums are fine with marine biologists, etc.  Marineland is just a concentration-camp for poor, defenceless creatures.
 
2014-03-25 11:14:15 AM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


YOUR children, sure, that's fine. But nothing gives you the right to force your opinionated values upon anyone else. That is what the stupid coont in the article is doing. Don't like your snowflakes doing something? Fine. Exempt your kids. But just because you disagree with something doesn't mean that you get to force your worldview on everyone else.
 
2014-03-25 11:30:06 AM

jwmc1971: i would gladly kill any animal on the planet to save me/my family . that means animal testing / food and any other thing these people feel is against " animal rights " . im not for torturing needlessly but if it means my kids/me can safely take meds or products or even eat , so be it . they were put here for us ..

and to the same the same idiots saying otherwise ....is everything in your controllable environment an animal free zone ? meaning any product/food animal free 100% ? if not STFU , thanks , sincerely the rest of us .


I have no problem with animal testing, hunting, fishing, meat-eating, wearing fur, or any other beneficial use of animals.

Marineland provides no such beneficial use. It is a business whose model is to mistreat animals for the amusement of a paying audience. Surely, it is possible to be opposed to this without being an idiot.
 
2014-03-25 11:37:09 AM
I watched this documentary on Netflix last night that taught me Sea World was bad so now I know the truth.
Abolish all zoos!
 
2014-03-25 11:54:59 AM
washington-babylon:

YOUR children, sure, that's fine. But nothing gives you the right to force your opinionated values upon anyone else. That is what the stupid coont in the article is doing. Don't like your snowflakes doing something? Fine. Exempt your kids. But just because you disagree with something doesn't mean that you get to force your worldview on everyone else.

I guess you don't vote then, because what gives you the right to foist your worldview on someone else?
For that matter, since this woman is most likely paying taxes that fund the school, I suppose that does give her something of a right, doesn't it?  What a strange thing to lose your shiat over...the woman heard the school was doing something that might be objectionable if they knew about it, and guess what, they agreed!

So, what exactly is your issue here?  Someone exercises their right to free speech, makes a persuasive argument, and wins consensus...that makes her a stupid coont?  I thought all the 'freedom' lovers wanted the right to say whatever they wanted, they want parental voices in the schools, and that governments should listen to the grassroots...but I get it, only if they agree with you.

If you read the article, you'll note that the local school board does not usually approve visits to that park due to unspecified (but well known) concerns...so in fact, the school board was on the same side as the parent before the school even acted!

Given that we're discussing a children's day out to a park, and not anything of any great importance, the enranged reactions in this thread are coming-off as a bit over-the-top, no?
 
2014-03-25 12:01:11 PM

alabasterblack: maram500: profplump: maram500: Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people.

What's the standard for "silly belief"? Is it purely low popularity or are there other criteria?

I call it silly because, as I point out in a separate comment, animalrights activists ddon't see that we need to fix our issues with human rights before fixing animal rights. If we can't treat each other with respect and dignity, how the hell can we do that with animals?

Not a multi-tasker eh?


Yeah, well come on, there are only 7,000,000,000 of us, how many things can we do at once?  By the way, what are we all doing tomorrow?
 
2014-03-25 12:21:08 PM
Send them to a slaughterhouse so they can learn where their food comes from.

Maybe they won't grow up broken.
 
2014-03-25 12:26:36 PM
Can't well all just get along? And then eat some of those poor cooped up animals?
 
2014-03-25 12:26:58 PM
People like this woman are the problem with canada in the first place. If you got a problem take it up with managment.
instead of trying to ham fist some high schooler support like this.

or mabey she should go find a real problem to waste her time with.
 
2014-03-25 12:43:21 PM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

Picture of son
 
2014-03-25 12:54:07 PM

Feepit: A friend I was visiting took me to this particular Marineland probably ten years ago. We had a good time and the animals seemed alright.

I would much rather visit a zoo or marine park than an arboretum.


You didn't pay enough to get the special tour then,  here's a map of Marineland detailing the great stuff you missed that day.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-03-25 12:55:10 PM

Wolf892: maram500: FTFA: "This is not some hippie bandwagon stunt. I am...truly concerned for and dedicated to the welfare of animals."

Lady, if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd realize that what you're doing is not protecting animals. Rather, you are attempting to force your frankly silly beliefs on other people. You are ruining your children by forcing your beliefs on them, and trying to do the same to others' children should be criminal.

Why is it silly to not want animals locked up for our pleasure?

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?


It is silly because if this park is shut down these animals are not going to be released,  They will be killed.  The animals have been raised in captivity since birth.  They have never seen any food except for already dead fish that are dropped into their mouths.  It would take years of of rehab and training to get them ready for release and there is no money for that.  So they will get a half gallon of potassium injected into their heart and a free trip to the nearest dump.

Even if some billionaire were to come along and fund the rehab I doubt you would be happy with the process for an orca.  1st you need to reintroduce the killer whale to its natural food source, in this case seals.  So you run out and kill a seal, chop it up into bit sized pieces and hand feed it to the whale.   You do this once a day for a few months until it acquires a taste for seal.  Then you chop the seal into large chuncks and throw it into the water instead of hand feeding, once again repeat for a few months.  Next start throwing a whole dead seal in the water until the whale gets used to tearing it apart, again a few months.  Then you start trying the dead seal to a rope and pull it through the water at gradually increasing speed until it gets used to eating moving food.  Finally you start letting live seals loose in its pool until it gets used to eating live prey.  So after a year to a year and a half and several hundred dead seals you have one killer whale ready to eat wild prey.  You can then move it to a ocean pen in an appropriate environment, Alaska or Northern Canada.  After another 6 months to a year and a couple hundred more dead seals you can release him or her for good.

Hey, since this is what the mother in the story wants, maybe they could send the school on a field trip to watch the process.  They could watch a huge predator tear a human sized terrified living animal into bite size pieces and watch the spurting blood.  Did you know that Orcas in the wild like to play with their food? They will toss the still living seals around for a while before they kill and eat them.

/Nature isn't gentle
//Nature is a biatch
 
2014-03-25 12:59:42 PM
Animal exhibit=fine.  Animal "shows"=no.

Zoos have a legitimate function in science and conservation, and to think that animals somehow object to captivity in principle is simply anthropomorphization.  Like it or not, the primary concern of a wild animal is not freedom, it's safety, and they get that in captivity.
 
2014-03-25 01:02:06 PM
That new area they're working on (2-5 on the map above) is going to be called Auschwitz Cove.


♫ EVERYONE LOOOOOOOOOOOOVES MARINELAND!! ♫
 
2014-03-25 01:05:34 PM
The self-proclaimed "animal liberation activist"...

Stopped reading there.
 
2014-03-25 01:15:44 PM

Boo_Guy: You didn't pay enough to get the special tour then,  here's a map of Marineland detailing the great stuff you missed that day.


Are you trying to tell me that animals are not immortal or that Marineland is disposing of the deceased inappropriately?
 
2014-03-25 01:19:53 PM

GORDON: Wolf892:

I'm not talking about animal rehabilitation centers where we help animals in distress, but zoos and aquariums...where animals are trained to preform or to sit day in and day out simply to be gawked at by us... How is it silly to not want to take part in that and to want to pass those values on to your children?

She could have kept her own kids out of school that day, instead she went on a crusade and farked it up for everyone.  That makes her a biatch.


Yeah, how dare she deprive ignorant children of the chance to continue funding such a delightful place? It's not like they go to school to learn anything.
 
2014-03-25 01:26:27 PM

Feepit: Boo_Guy: You didn't pay enough to get the special tour then,  here's a map of Marineland detailing the great stuff you missed that day.

Are you trying to tell me that animals are not immortal or that Marineland is disposing of the deceased inappropriately?


Considering the fact that no one even knew they had, and weren't even supposed to have mass graves,  I'm going with disposed of inappropriately.

The Ministry of the Environment orders Marineland to stop burying animals on-site
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/01/14/marineland_ordered_to_ st op_burying_animals_onsite.html

See if they disposed of them properly then someone outside of Marineland would have figured out the screwed up conditions and other illegal things going on there a lot sooner.
 
2014-03-25 01:38:09 PM
HK-MP5-SD:

It is silly because if this park is shut down these animals are not going to be released,  They will be killed.

If you read any of the links supplies in this thread by other farkers, you might be persuaded to think this is not such a bad thing.

It would be terribly sad, but most of them would be better off being euthanized than living in such deplorable conditions.  Most of them are already sick and I am astonished by Canada's humane organizations turning a blind eye to such blatant mistreatment and squalid living conditions of captive animals.

They're a bunch of losers.
 
2014-03-25 01:41:24 PM

Boo_Guy: Considering the fact that no one even knew they had, and weren't even supposed to have mass graves,  I'm going with disposed of inappropriately


That they didn't comply with the law is disappointing.

As for the proper way for a zoo or aquarium or other organization that accommodates many animals, aside from that it seems revolting, I can't really see a practical objection to an on-site mass grave as long as it doesn't pollute the environment. Cremation would reduce the air quality around the park and transporting large animals elsewhere is not cost efficient. From your article:

"The preliminary results of two test pits and Welland River sampling show no contamination has occurred."

"If Marineland wants to continue burying animals on site, the park must apply for a permit from the environment ministry to operate a disposal site."
 
2014-03-25 01:45:18 PM
If the animals didn't want to be placed in captivity they would have fought back harder.
 
2014-03-25 02:07:01 PM
27.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-25 02:36:07 PM

youmightberight: excellent average: You want to save animals? Stop contributing to global climate change otherwise everything is farked anyways.

/lady has good intentions but the effort is misplaced

Might want to check urban heat island statistics before you throw "zomg we're the reason" into this thread. Your global warming god is false.


LOL.

You might want to check out the most recent IPCC report or, I dunno, all the scientific studies everywhere. But hey, what does all that scientific proof mean against your personal beliefs right?
 
2014-03-25 02:40:15 PM
Next weeks headline: Mother Forced to Move Children to New School.
 
2014-03-25 02:43:48 PM

CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.


When I was a kid, my parents took me to a zoo-like place in SoCal called Jungleland that had lotsa animals, including lions, elephants, monkeys, and camels. I have never forgotten seeing one particularly sad-looking camel whose hump hung limply to one side (I think I was 6 at the time).

/also never forgot seeing sickly hyenas at the Fresno Zoo
 
2014-03-25 02:47:19 PM

Lorelle: CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.

When I was a kid, my parents took me to a zoo-like place in SoCal called Jungleland that had lotsa animals, including lions, elephants, monkeys, and camels. I have never forgotten seeing one particularly sad-looking camel whose hump hung limply to one side (I think I was 6 at the time).

/also never forgot seeing sickly hyenas at the Fresno Zoo


Sounds like it was a life long educational experience.  Win win!
 
2014-03-25 02:51:54 PM

stonicus: Lorelle: CRtwenty: As somebody who used to live near this place I'm just going to say that Marineland is a terrible, terrible place. Imagine Sea World only built in the 60's and never really maintained since. These kids aren't missing out on much.

When I was a kid, my parents took me to a zoo-like place in SoCal called Jungleland that had lotsa animals, including lions, elephants, monkeys, and camels. I have never forgotten seeing one particularly sad-looking camel whose hump hung limply to one side (I think I was 6 at the time).

/also never forgot seeing sickly hyenas at the Fresno Zoo

Sounds like it was a life long educational experience.  Win win!


That's the point...those kids will never forget seeing miserable, mistreated creatures at Marineland.

/doesn't remember seeing mistreated creatures at Marineland in SoCal
 
2014-03-25 02:56:31 PM

Molavian: Send them to a slaughterhouse so they can learn where their food comes from.

Maybe they won't grow up broken.


I agree.  I think anyone who eats meat (myself included) should come face to face with that.  I eat mostly fish and chickens I buy from the Amish.  Those chickens had a great life before they were quickly and mercifully harvested.
 
2014-03-25 03:11:37 PM
Send them to a slaughterhouse so they can learn where their food comes from.


I have been to one. Didn't affect my eating habits in the least, except i wouldn't want to actually dine there.
 
2014-03-25 04:15:09 PM

KWess: I guess you don't vote then


False equivalency. That is one of the only times you have a protected right to (by general consensus) foist a worldview on a country or a people.

KWess: since this woman is most likely paying taxes that fund the school


I pay taxes that fund the local fire department. I don't have any right to tell them how to run the station.


KWess: Someone exercises their right to free speech, makes a persuasive argument, and wins consensus...


1 letter to 1 teacher should NEVER a consensus make. Did you go to the Russian School for the Advancement of Political Reformation?

KWess: 'freedom' lovers wanted the right to say whatever they wanted,


You already have that right. But that right does not in any way grant you permission to bend others to your way of thinking. You have the right to speak freely... and we have the right to choose to ignore you. If you resort to anything outside of the doctrines of free speech, you can no longer claim that protection. That is why in the original post I replied to, I was pointing out that you have the Right to impress your views and beliefs on your own children, but not on someone else, or on their kids.

KWess: If you read the article, you'll note that the local school board does not usually approve visits to that park due to unspecified (but well known) concerns...so in fact, the school board was on the same side as the parent before the school even acted!


Then in cases like this you should contact the School board to voice your concern over the approval (because they DID approve the trip), as that is the proper channel for concerns of this nature. Notice that she didn't do this because of "certain concerns over the park" She did this because she holds the view that all holding of animals in captivity is abusive and that the animals should be free. This made it a political attempt to force others to conform to her viewpoint. It wouldn't matter if (as was the case here) there is evidence that the park is one of the foulest in the country, if this had been to the best facility in the world she still would have made a stink about it. The only reason anyone can come to her defense here is because the facility was bad.
 
The outrage in this thread is because of the prevalence of people who (due to excessive influence) constantly try to force others to do what they want. PETA, Sea Shepherds, ELF, and individuals like Tre Arrow, Eric McDavid, Paul Watson, Daniel McGowan all exemplify this mindset. It doesn't matter what you personally believe, the opinions of a few do not override the opinions (or rights) of the many.

 
2014-03-25 04:15:15 PM

Boo_Guy: This actual place has been the center of a shiat storm in the last year,  their own people were quitting because it was being run so badly.


I'm trying to find the original article that started it..


I'm guessing you're be labeled as being too "pc" for pointing that out.
 
2014-03-25 04:16:29 PM
Yeah, because the oceans are so clean nowadays.  I feel like someone should go after the people trying to put them back there.  For what?  Radiation, oil spills, a catastrophic mix of chemicals from all of the homes that have been washed into them in recent years, the Navy killing their brains with sonar testing, toxic ash, overfished waters, airplanes, bodies, hormones, anti-depressants, drugs, my mother in laws ashes...You name it.

Yeah - that's it - the ocean.  This great, huge honking goose of a woman should go try to live in the ocean and report back in a month.
 
2014-03-25 04:20:04 PM
Welcome to Fark, you'll see a lot of that here.
 
2014-03-25 04:28:37 PM

Astorix: inclemency: Meh. This stupid, bored, unfulfilled biatch needs a couple more mimosas daily. Stoney Creek isn't Hamilton and this useless bint needs to find better hobbies than emulating Americans. Try Oxycontin you alarmist waste of space.

/I have mixed feelings about animal exhibits also, but I don't feel the need to attention whore.

Just ask hubby for the semi-firm 4 inches more often.

Jesus Christ can you turn down the dial to 10 on your misogyny?!


A lot of that in this thread from morons who know nothing about the place she protested, just a lot of "how dare that attention where complain about anything".  Note that on Fark, you always see at least one dumbass use the term "attention whore" to describe a woman who advocate for something.  In their eyes women only belong in two places, either in the kitchen, or in the bedroom with their legs open, they don't belong anywhere else in their mentality.
 
2014-03-25 04:45:18 PM

KWess: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

She doesn't have the personal power so she's agitating for enforcement of her preferences by others, in the same way as people who try to get objectionable books or inconvenient science banned by the school board. Rather than asking to be allowed to opt out, she wants the entire activity banned for everyone.


Seriously, you've picked the wrong folks to go to bat for here...my wife and I took our kids to the Niagara region a couple of years ago.  After planning to go to Marineland, we started to read the reviews of the place (which is notorious not only for terrible animal abuse, but also for North Korea-esque levels of fun and convenience), we talked to our daughters - who had been begging to go.  By the time we got through just a few of the stories, they were absolutely refusing to go.  Zoos are fine, staffed with zoologists and biologists, aquariums are fine with marine biologists, etc.  Marineland is just a concentration-camp for poor, defenceless creatures.



As I've already said, I am not going to bat for anyone (except maybe the other parents who apparently weren't even consulted, because rule by right of whine is an unfair process regardless of acceptable results); it is entirely possible that this specific place isn't suitable for a field trip.

But the coincidence that more reasonable people might also have a problem with this particular field trip doesn't justify *her* complaint or the fact that
she is trying to get the school board to enforce a ban on ALL similar field trips because she generally disapproves of holding animals in captivity. She wants your "zoos are fine" field trips disallowed too.
 
2014-03-26 10:23:47 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: KWess: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:

She doesn't have the personal power so she's agitating for enforcement of her preferences by others, in the same way as people who try to get objectionable books or inconvenient science banned by the school board. Rather than asking to be allowed to opt out, she wants the entire activity banned for everyone.


Seriously, you've picked the wrong folks to go to bat for here...my wife and I took our kids to the Niagara region a couple of years ago.  After planning to go to Marineland, we started to read the reviews of the place (which is notorious not only for terrible animal abuse, but also for North Korea-esque levels of fun and convenience), we talked to our daughters - who had been begging to go.  By the time we got through just a few of the stories, they were absolutely refusing to go.  Zoos are fine, staffed with zoologists and biologists, aquariums are fine with marine biologists, etc.  Marineland is just a concentration-camp for poor, defenceless creatures.


As I've already said, I am not going to bat for anyone (except maybe the other parents who apparently weren't even consulted, because rule by right of whine is an unfair process regardless of acceptable results); it is entirely possible that this specific place isn't suitable for a field trip.

But the coincidence that more reasonable people might also have a problem with this particular field trip doesn't justify *her* complaint or the fact that she is trying to get the school board to enforce a ban on ALL similar field trips because she generally disapproves of holding animals in captivity. She wants your "zoos are fine" field trips disallowed too.


Can you show us where in the article she says she wanted all trips banned.  From what I see it's only for that one place.
 
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