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2014-03-24 05:10:22 PM
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Well, technically, that's the way the Second Amendment was recently explained by the SCOTUS.

Americans have the right to bear arms, but the state can regulate the ownership with laws, i.e. felons can't possess guns, automatic fire weapons are limited access only and must be registered, CCW permits are issued by the state, people under 21 can't buy guns, etc. The SCOTUS addressed those issues at the same time in different cases.

/The more you know ...
2014-03-24 06:50:44 PM
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NkThrasher: Somacandra: NkThrasher: "This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and they have not been in prison."

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Which is historically correct. Guns were extremely registered in the days of the Constitution, since everyone was required to have them and could be conscripted into service under tight regulation. You can ask James Madison about that. No one's ever convinced a court that the general populace can have nukes, nor that murder and arson convicts can have some kind of arsenal. This is indeed both true historically and true today. The legal battles ensuing for hundreds of years prove the Constitution is not a self-explanatory document and without legal and historical context teaching it is meaningless.

Sure, but there's a difference between "The amendment states" and "the reality of the implementation of the amendment and so on...".  As  AirForceVet pointed out, context might help a lot and there might be a raw-text section followed by "And what does this mean?"  but even so, the wording is poor if that's the case.


Are you really whining about something for kids that's written in farking comic sans not being excruciatingly and pedantically correct?
2014-03-24 06:25:13 PM
2 votes:

NkThrasher: "This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and they have not been in prison."

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Which is historically correct. Guns were extremely registered in the days of the Constitution, since everyone was required to have them and could be conscripted into service under tight regulation. You can ask James Madison about that. No one's ever convinced a court that the general populace can have nukes, nor that murder and arson convicts can have some kind of arsenal. This is indeed both true historically and true today. The legal battles ensuing for hundreds of years prove the Constitution is not a self-explanatory document and without legal and historical context teaching it is meaningless.
2014-03-24 06:14:21 PM
2 votes:
I swear some people are more testy about the 2nd amendment being "misinterpreted" than images of the prophet Muhammad.

It just seems so ridiculous how guns are such SRS BUSINESS. I don't think they're as important as the time we spend arguing about them.

I guarantee that if was any other amendment, and was similarly summarized no one would pitch a fit.
2014-03-24 05:23:17 PM
2 votes:

NkThrasher: Its a nuance perspective difference, the amendment doesn't say "You can only have certain weapons and must register them", the caselaw surrounding it says "The goverment can, when it has an amazingly good reason, restrict you from access to certain weapons, and sometimes require you to register some of them".


Depends on how this workbook is set up.

If it was simply explaining the U.S. Constitution, then direct quotes and explanation of those quotes are warrented.

If it was explaining how the U.S. Constitution is applied today, case law and rulings are warrented, sometimes in simplified format.

As I haven't read the entire workbook or any associated textbook, I honestly don't know.
2014-03-24 05:15:21 PM
2 votes:

AirForceVet: Well, technically, that's the way the Second Amendment was recently explained by the SCOTUS.

Americans have the right to bear arms, but the state can regulate the ownership with laws, i.e. felons can't possess guns, automatic fire weapons are limited access only and must be registered, CCW permits are issued by the state, people under 21 can't buy guns, etc. The SCOTUS addressed those issues at the same time in different cases.

/The more you know ...


Its a nuance perspective difference, the amendment doesn't say "You can only have certain weapons and must register them", the caselaw surrounding it says "The goverment can, when it has an amazingly good reason, restrict you from access to certain weapons, and sometimes require you to register some of them".
2014-03-24 07:53:37 PM
1 votes:

pmdgrwr: DamnYankees: As someone who's about as anti-2nd amendment as people on this site can be, this is wrong and the teacher should not have done that.

Really, you are anti-2nd Amendment. Why?


I think its dumb as hell to provide for a right to use a piece of technology. It's as if the first amendment didn't say you have a right to free speech, but merely says you have a right to own ink.
2014-03-24 05:36:08 PM
1 votes:
I don't see the problem here.  Isn't it implied that any well-regulated militia would regulate which weapons its members used and maintain an inventory?  How do you go about calling a militia "well-regulated" if you don't even know who its members are?
2014-03-24 04:40:02 PM
1 votes:
Page won't load, but I doubt that the Tea Party News Network is providing an unbiased account.
 
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