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(Salon)   As the Supreme Court prepares to hear the Obamacare/birth control case tomorrow, its conservative justices are faced with a dilemma: support the religious right, or support laws which shield corporations from liability?   (salon.com) divider line 24
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2014-03-24 06:14:02 PM  
7 votes:
mindcemetery.net

"But the religious right was the corporation the whole time!!"
2014-03-24 03:55:34 PM  
6 votes:
Remember those sweet, warm New England summers? Remember sipping lemonade underneath a shady tree? Remember when you hit that pedestrian with your car at the crosswalk and then just drove away? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
2014-03-24 10:40:24 PM  
4 votes:
Africans: in the 19th century south.

Jews: in Hitler's Germany.

Christians: in Obama's America.


That's right. All of these groups were targeted for heinous persecution at the hands of governments and societies who hated them for no reason other than their assigned or quasi-assigned characteristics. Even though really claims of black persecution in the 19th century south are gravely exaggerated--most slaves were contented, and most slave owners kind. Those ingrates suffered barely at all in comparison with Christians in Obama's America.

Their travails frozen out of public discourse by the overwhelmingly popular MSM statist left-wing liberal mainstream media (which only represents the views of a tiny minority of extreme fanatic leftists), few Americans have even heard of the multiple tyrannies plaguing Christians in this hateful era. How many of you even know, for example:

1) That some Christians have been wished "happy holidays" by people so rude they don't even ask their victims' religion before they harass them with obnoxious pagan "holiday" greetings.

2) That some Christian service sector employees have been asked to wish customers "happy holidays," with no consideration whatsoever for whether or not the employee is a Christian who even celebrates "holidays" instead of CHRISTmas.

3) That some Christians who have built four story tall light up Jesus statues in their own residential neighborhood backyards have been asked to take them down to comply with so-called "zoning ordinances."

4) That Christian children in public schools have been forced (at gunpoint!) to study science lessons their parents disagree with. With no effort even made to balance those lessons with readings from dissenting alternative science textbooks like the Book of Genesis.

5) That several states and the federal government have now passed laws enhancing sentencing for the commission of violent crimes motivated by sexual orientation bias.

6) That Christians have been prosecuted and even imprisoned merely for exercising their religions! That's right. Some Christians have been jailed merely for denying their children (their own children! the ones they own!) medical treatment which would have saved them outright from sometimes painful and wholly needless deaths.

7) That some wicked liberals have the sheer, thrilling gall to mock America's Christians' unceasing whiny claims that they're persecuted!

Clearly the persecution of America's Christians has spiraled out of control. This attempt to require Hobby Lobby, a publicly traded for-profit commercial corporation, to comply with a constitutionally permissible law of general applicability, is just the latest outrage.

What can be done? What can be done to reverse the trend? Is it too late to revitalize religious freedom in America? The state of American religion is like a leaf withered on a vine. It's sad, so sad, to see Christianity in America so blighted. Can you even find occupied pews in churches anymore? I must confess, it takes a brave soul to publicly admit he's a Christian in Obamatyrant Hussein's America.
2014-03-24 08:56:58 PM  
2 votes:
Hobby Lobby owners want to deny their employees the ability to purchase birth control at group rates negotiated by an insurance company.

In a just world, every judge this went in front of would cite the case "go eat a sack of yeasty bungholes" and the legal precedent of "no, I'm serious. I sent the bailiff to the slaughterhouse and he brought back a sack full of yeasty bungholes. The owners of hobby lobby will eat them now, for our amusement."
2014-03-24 08:10:11 PM  
2 votes:
bobothemagnificent:

Now before the libtrolls get all mad

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2014-03-24 07:16:17 PM  
2 votes:
Corporations are the only people who can still practice abortions without the religious right going ape.
2014-03-24 06:31:29 PM  
2 votes:
It's like Sophie's choice for assholes.
2014-03-24 06:19:17 PM  
2 votes:

maudibjr: There is only one true religion:  Money


and fried chicken!


When Jesus drove the moneychangers from the Temple, the Chief Priests and Scribes should have retaliated with an armed cohort backed by government forces and...

...oh wait...
2014-03-24 06:18:09 PM  
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Remember those sweet, warm New England summers? Remember sipping lemonade underneath a shady tree? Remember when you hit that pedestrian with your car at the crosswalk and then just drove away? Pepperidge Farm remembers.


Pepperidge Farm remembers, but Pepperidge Farm ain't just gonna keep it to Pepperidge Farm's self free-of-charge.

Maybe you go out and buy yourself some of these distinctive Milano cookies, maybe this whole thing disappears.
2014-03-24 04:36:58 PM  
2 votes:
Scalia doesn't have that dilemna, subby.  He'll just flip a coin and then select whatever citations he wants that support the result.
2014-03-25 12:49:31 PM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Animatronik: You like single payer because it is one more step towards zOMG SOOOOOOCIALISM

Four legs good, two legs baaaaaaaad!

Yeah there are lots of pigs and cows in this thread.

You like single payer because you think it eliminates the inconvenience of having to deal with small groups of people that have am actual opinion on something you want.

The reality is that this is not about one or two companies it is about a set of requirements for paying for contraception as a health care benefit that are RIDICULOUS and should be thrown out.

Contraception us not health care, period.


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But hey, understanding medicine is for suckers, only letters I need to know are U, S, and A.  Right?
2014-03-25 11:25:03 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Contraception us not health care, period.



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2014-03-25 06:32:10 AM  
1 votes:

OgreMagi: RoyBatty: But Hartmann points to European nations in which in law, it says that corporations have a responsibility to the nation. And there, Friedman's argument is wrong. They as a society have chosen differently.

The problem with that is the government gets to decide what is considered running a business in a manner responsible to the nation.  Get a majority of twatwaffles running the nation and things could turn ugly.  Also, that is one of the primary pillars of the fascist system.


I think that a majority of me would run things just fine, thank you. Single payer healthcare, GMI, heavily subsidized vocational training and/or postsecondary education, a minimum wage that is actually a living wage, paid maternity/paternity leave, jobs programs for the unemployed, prisons that focus on rehabilitation, corporations being held to account in most unpleasant ways for breaking the law, stuff like that...
2014-03-24 09:48:43 PM  
1 votes:

The Larch: Hobby Lobby owners want to deny their employees the ability to purchase birth control at group rates negotiated by an insurance company.

In a just world, every judge this went in front of would cite the case "go eat a sack of yeasty bungholes" and the legal precedent of "no, I'm serious. I sent the bailiff to the slaughterhouse and he brought back a sack full of yeasty bungholes. The owners of hobby lobby will eat them now, for our amusement."


I'm back! That took me forever. For future reference, they prefer the term 'imitation calamari'.

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Also, I think the argument HL is ultimately trying to make is that employers should not be involved in providing healthcare at all. And I agree. A person's access to healthcare should not be limited by their employer.
2014-03-24 08:15:38 PM  
1 votes:

bobothemagnificent: DamnYankees: bobothemagnificent: The could rule the whole thing unconstitutional.

What whole thing?
The WHOLE damn law, in its entirety.  Don't forget that Stevens, Thomas, Scalia, and Alito wanted to do just that originally because they thought that this law created powers that the constitution never intended the government to have to begin with.  Don't be surprised if that comes up again in private discussions.


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2014-03-24 08:00:09 PM  
1 votes:
To summarize:

Bakery owner: No cakes for gheys because Jesus.
Court: *biatchslaps bigot*

Corporation: No birth control for employees because Jesus.
Court: .....?
Corporation: Did we mention Jesus and loads of money?
2014-03-24 07:56:49 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: It will be sad to see him pretend that he never said it or somehow this is magically different. I have hope he will be consistent but doubt he actually will.


Hoping for Scalia to be consistent is like hoping you can let out a squeaker on a first date after eating nothing but Mexican food for three days without your date hearing it.

Personally, I see the court completely ignoring the religious freedom issue.  They can toss it out by saying "Whether corporations can hold religious freedom rights is a moot point, because even if they did, the PPACA is a law of general applicability and they'd still have to obey it."  There's no need to open up the 'can a corporation have a religion' can of worms, so why bother with it?

Scalia and Thomas will probably write a dissent saying that Hobby Lobby is a fine upstanding Christian corporation they fully expect to see standing in line at the pearly gates and futhermore ...
2014-03-24 07:49:18 PM  
1 votes:
Honestly, I think the biggest problem for the Obama administration will be the number of waivers and 'outs' for certain groups, but not for these types of Christian people who run companies and/or nuns and other religious people who run non-profit organizations and have employees. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why give an out for the Amish, let's say, but not for nuns? What is the difference between these two groups? Why does one merit the waiver and not the other?

If the administration cannot support valid reasons why SOME groups were given waivers while others were not (for random reasons that don't have any connection that I can see) then I don't think they can refuse waivers for others.

Also, if you look at Hobby Lobby's "statement of purpose," which existed well before Obamacare ever came into being, faith is all over that thing:

"In order to effectively serve our owners, employees, and customers the Board of Directors is committed to:

Honoring the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with Biblical principles.

Offering our customers an exceptional selection and value.

Serving our employees and their families by establishing a work environment and company policies that build character, strengthen individuals, and nurture families.

Providing a return on the owners' investment, sharing the Lord's blessings with our employees, and investing in our community.
We believe that it is by God's grace and provision that Hobby Lobby has endured. He has been faithful in the past, and we trust Him for our future."

I think they have a pretty good case here, based on this statement. They have built their business around Christian values and are very clear what they are on their website and other corporate materials.
2014-03-24 06:31:13 PM  
1 votes:

maudibjr: There is only one true religion:  Money


and fried chicken!


^^^

Since they have no fear of losing reelection, its all about the cash. And fried chicken.
2014-03-24 06:18:54 PM  
1 votes:
I'll just leave this here, from billmoyers.com:

It is four years since the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision struck down the limits on how much money corporations and unions can spend in federal elections. A number of legal watchdogs have been keeping close tabs on the repercussions. In an essay in Politico Magazine, Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, describes how super PACs, social welfare groups and corporations poured more than $1 billion into the 2012 election cycle; with $300 million of those dollars from undisclosed sources.

As another entry on that pages states, money is PROPERTY not SPEECH.

The SCOTUS will side with global corporations. If we could get corporations drunk and knock them up, we could get health care options for abortion.
2014-03-24 06:10:37 PM  
1 votes:
Business trumps religion in the GOP.  Just don';t say it out loud.
2014-03-24 05:57:57 PM  
1 votes:
No matter how they rule, something relevant to this case is going to spark droves of religious people into a massive spontaneous support event for Hobby Lobby.  I'm off to buy stock in craft glue and glitter.
2014-03-24 04:22:24 PM  
1 votes:
Elections only have consequences when Democrats lose
2014-03-24 03:49:14 PM  
1 votes:
There is only one true religion:  Money


and fried chicken!
 
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